they'll be the reason for the "incompatibility" and people will flock in droves to m$n. they danced with the devil, let them be the example. hell, they'll be bankrupt soon anyways.slashdot
and to think, where am i gonna get my drinkl coasters?
hell, if businesses want to pay up the ass for stuff like exchange, let 'em. it seems to me that we are always playhing catch up with m$. openoffice is a great replace ror office97, gnome/kde can replace win98, this replaces exchange 5.5, etc.
by now, people should be long since fed up with m$. but they're not. why? people don't care enough. look, i am in a school district that spends way to f***in m,uch for crappy solutions. but they don't care. it ain't their money.
m$ offers an easy solution, not a real solution. give 'em credit. they figured out how to sell software, not write it.
most laptops are made by ODM's over in Taiwan. for example: www.asus.com or www.compal.com. whether you buy a dell, gateway, hp, whatever, they are all the same.
maybe we should all reread john locke, etc., and remind ourselves the natural course of governments. thus it is only through the social contract, that the government governs with the consent of the governed that rights and fredoms are preserved.
eventually, all governments, whether democratic or not so, will attempt to seek power and control through various and sundry ways. whether by resrictions on freedom or by doling out public monies, they acquire ever greater power.
look at the us tax code. why is reform so hard. hell, EVERYONE stands to lose something if you reform it. so, we leave it unchanged and only add to its complexity.
hell, i grew up on the wwf, and now it is the wwe? wtf? hell, the rock is doing movies, stone cold went home, kane is speaking. wtf? well, at least they do put on good t&a.
The philosophy behind freedom in a society such as ours is that one should only limit freedom once it begins to harm the health or freedom of others.
Precisely. However, if i build a building and it is not "accessible", it does not harm the health of others. If however, I build a building that spits toxic fumes into the air...
your freedoms to design your building are being limited
Exactly.
If you're building a place accessible to the public, then the public, theoretically, has the freedom to come and go.
That it is "accessible" to the public, does not imply that the public is free to enter. My home for instance, the ladies room for another.
The whole point about the DMCA and the ADA is that they limit freedom. I will explain it like this. My son was born with a cleft lip. Did he have a "right" to corrective surgery? No. For someone had to perform the surgery, someone had to provide the medicines, he took up a hospital bed, etc. To make it a "right", would be to impose upon you, and everyone else the burden and cost of his surgery. That isn't freedom. Freedom is our being able to choose whatever doctor (Thank you St. John's Cleft Lip/Palate Center, Santa Monica, CA) we wanted, whatever hospital we wanted, etc. If we were told what doctor or hospital, or prohibitied from surgery, THAT would be denial of freedom.
now that i have your attention, look, most/. readers, myself included despise the DMCA because precisely it infringes upon our freedom. and that is the problem. the ada specifically takes away freedom from some, to give "access" or in other words, privileges to others. how so.
by forcing others to make acocmodations for some, then you are taking away their ability to decide what they do with their time and money. you might argue that everyone has the right to access the same places, etc. but this is specifically different than denying, such as denying access to blacks in the 60's.
if i owned a diner and i said that i wasn't going to serve blacks, then i am specifically denying someone access, and by default denying their freedoms. but, by making this practice illegal, it does not require me to do anything other than open my doors to all. this does not infringe upon my freedoms at all. i am still free to think as i like, regardless how repugnant.
rights impose no burden or cost upon anyone. by being forced to do something, then we are stripped of our freedoms. if some freedoms can be taken away, then they all can.
while we should rejoice that the judge used some common sense, what is at issue is the larger idea, something that the judge didn't address, and sadly, somebody needs to. That is:
is congress, under article 1, section 8, empowered to do such things. i don't believe they are.
you know, funny story about the mac vs.pc thing. last week, one of my fellow teachers says she is going to take her basic math class into the mac lab because the pc lab is booked. she says to me she is concerned because she doesn't know macs, she only knows pc's. so, i ask her how to congifure your network settings under windows. she looks at me with a blank stare. i tell her you know applications, not OS's. (well, i know os's, linux for sure, and am falling in love with os x, and damn sure know windows, though by having to admin them damn things, oh the pain and agony, anyways...)
only reason i was asking was because they are losing market share to linux and windows. plus, my school district uses novell on top of the win9x clients, and it is a huge clusterf**k. of ocurse it is probably due to the inability of our district level peple to find either cheek, with both hands AND an anatomy book!!
1) unless the macs are relatively recent, they can't run os x. yeah, some schools have imacs, and most can run os x. but it will run slugish unless it is relatively newer, and then it has os x already. although we have a 20 imac lab, they run os 9, and i believe they all have only 64MB ram, so os x isn't an option without money for memory. also, we still have a number of older powerPC 7200/120's (or something like that) that teachers have and love. os x, no way.
2) unless they already have a mac with os x, they won't want to learn it. plus, it will require upgrading/changing the servers, etc. PITA. while it is a great upgrade, it is a logistical problem. and don't expect to many disrict level people to be mac/os x/unix friendly.
apple needs to do something about the hardware. it is just too expensive as far as schools are concerned. it is an example of being pennywise and pound foolish, but my district sees a dell for say $600 and an imac for say $850, and they'll choose the dell every time. plus, most district people, like mine (ARGHHHHH!!!) can't even spell unix.
i bought an ibook a couple of weeks ago. it has 10.2. i love it. but the problem is more hardware than software. a few years ago, schools began moving toward PC's, and os x is just not going to work.
your modem doesn't work because the modem is a winmodem, which requires the operating system, i.e. windows, to do most of the work. thus, your system runs slower because your processor is doing the work for the modem.
it is not the fault of linux vendors that winmodems are so crappy. as for leveling the playing field, it is hard to level the field if you're not allowed to even play on the field, but rather have to stand outside the fences and watch the game, then figure out the rules from there.
let's say i develop a web application for IE. sure, everybody has IE, but let's say that it needs IE7.456bugfix3revision89. or whatever. can i redistribute it with the app? uh, no.
but with moz, i can redistribute the app and the browser, however i decide. i can also redistribute the parts i need, like say the runtime, while leaving the bulk out. can i do that with IE. uh, no.
why would then productin servers have gcc installed. we're not talking a development box. most m$ servers don't have an SDK of any kind installed. now i know that m$ crap only comes in binaries, and you only have to double click a.exe, and that many patches for apache, etc. come in source, but how many companies are going to run a server on a roll your own linux.
whether they use deb, rh, mandrake, whatever, it's got package management. it wouldn't make sense to have a compiler, or am i missing something.
i just got my ibook. it is unbelievable. i also run linux on my desktop and older laptop, have been for over three years. can't believe how much i can do, and i don't even have Office, ha ha ha.
what you will be most happy with is the development environment. in addiotion to the project builder, you have perl, python, java, tons of stuff. basically, if it runs on linux, it will run on os x.
people bitch about it being "proprietary", yada yada, but you seen what intel/amd are doing with paladium lately. the only thing from mac/os x from taking over the world is that mac hardware is more expensive. there is no $400 dollar mac.
linux on the desktop is more than ready for the enterprise/educational markets, because once configured it just freakin runs. configuring can be a bitch, but once that's done, no problem. on os x, confifuration is a dream.
for example, multiple network profiles. i go from my school to home, to grad school, each with a wireless and wired connection, and a couple of clicks and i'm connected. f***in ay.
dude, you're gettin' a mac.
you know, with all their troubles with security, patches, linux, anti-trust trials, and everything, they just don't have the time to find people who have benefitted using their products. i mean, come on, there must be one.
surely, you can cut them some slack. ballmer is up late at night thinking of more ways he can attack linux/open source. with 40 billion in the bank, they just can't aford to do the necessary research and investigation. give them a break will you.
i'm sure there are plenty of people who'll testify that they learned how to program using "Learn Visual Basic" and are now working at a major software company.
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they'll be the reason for the "incompatibility" and people will flock in droves to m$n. they danced with the devil, let them be the example. hell, they'll be bankrupt soon anyways.slashdot
and to think, where am i gonna get my drinkl coasters?
i have no problem with wamu's site using galeon. which of course is mozilla.
as for incompatibility, could it be that the servers are using IIS? if so, then I'd definitely switch.
netcraft returns wamu using solaris/Netscape-Enterprise server. so i guess that might have something to do with it.
oops, too much info
hell, if businesses want to pay up the ass for stuff like exchange, let 'em. it seems to me that we are always playhing catch up with m$. openoffice is a great replace ror office97, gnome/kde can replace win98, this replaces exchange 5.5, etc.
by now, people should be long since fed up with m$. but they're not. why? people don't care enough. look, i am in a school district that spends way to f***in m,uch for crappy solutions. but they don't care. it ain't their money.
m$ offers an easy solution, not a real solution. give 'em credit. they figured out how to sell software, not write it.
same link:
owners of XP home don't qualify for the XP pro upgrade price.
of course that would punishment twice for the same crime!!!
most laptops are made by ODM's over in Taiwan. for example: www.asus.com or www.compal.com. whether you buy a dell, gateway, hp, whatever, they are all the same.
maybe somebody should tell big blue
we surrneder, here's our jews!
feel free to mod me down as you wish.
maybe we should all reread john locke, etc., and remind ourselves the natural course of governments. thus it is only through the social contract, that the government governs with the consent of the governed that rights and fredoms are preserved.
eventually, all governments, whether democratic or not so, will attempt to seek power and control through various and sundry ways. whether by resrictions on freedom or by doling out public monies, they acquire ever greater power.
look at the us tax code. why is reform so hard. hell, EVERYONE stands to lose something if you reform it. so, we leave it unchanged and only add to its complexity.
It does not necessarily preclude you from buying and reading books .....Therefore, why should you artifically be prevented from reading books?
a bookstore is the only place to get books? i'm sure amazon.com has something to say about that.
hell, i grew up on the wwf, and now it is the wwe? wtf? hell, the rock is doing movies, stone cold went home, kane is speaking. wtf? well, at least they do put on good t&a.
because the book store would be forced to build a ramp, not do so because it chose to.
taking your point to its logical conclusion, my physical limitations, i.e. too small, too slow, should not preclude me from playing in the NFL.
Exactly.
That it is "accessible" to the public, does not imply that the public is free to enter. My home for instance, the ladies room for another.
The whole point about the DMCA and the ADA is that they limit freedom. I will explain it like this. My son was born with a cleft lip. Did he have a "right" to corrective surgery? No. For someone had to perform the surgery, someone had to provide the medicines, he took up a hospital bed, etc. To make it a "right", would be to impose upon you, and everyone else the burden and cost of his surgery. That isn't freedom. Freedom is our being able to choose whatever doctor (Thank you St. John's Cleft Lip/Palate Center, Santa Monica, CA) we wanted, whatever hospital we wanted, etc. If we were told what doctor or hospital, or prohibitied from surgery, THAT would be denial of freedom.
now that i have your attention, look, most /. readers, myself included despise the DMCA because precisely it infringes upon our freedom. and that is the problem. the ada specifically takes away freedom from some, to give "access" or in other words, privileges to others. how so.
by forcing others to make acocmodations for some, then you are taking away their ability to decide what they do with their time and money. you might argue that everyone has the right to access the same places, etc. but this is specifically different than denying, such as denying access to blacks in the 60's.
if i owned a diner and i said that i wasn't going to serve blacks, then i am specifically denying someone access, and by default denying their freedoms. but, by making this practice illegal, it does not require me to do anything other than open my doors to all. this does not infringe upon my freedoms at all. i am still free to think as i like, regardless how repugnant.
rights impose no burden or cost upon anyone. by being forced to do something, then we are stripped of our freedoms. if some freedoms can be taken away, then they all can.
while we should rejoice that the judge used some common sense, what is at issue is the larger idea, something that the judge didn't address, and sadly, somebody needs to. That is:
is congress, under article 1, section 8, empowered to do such things. i don't believe they are.
you know, funny story about the mac vs.pc thing. last week, one of my fellow teachers says she is going to take her basic math class into the mac lab because the pc lab is booked. she says to me she is concerned because she doesn't know macs, she only knows pc's. so, i ask her how to congifure your network settings under windows. she looks at me with a blank stare. i tell her you know applications, not OS's. (well, i know os's, linux for sure, and am falling in love with os x, and damn sure know windows, though by having to admin them damn things, oh the pain and agony, anyways...)
only reason i was asking was because they are losing market share to linux and windows. plus, my school district uses novell on top of the win9x clients, and it is a huge clusterf**k. of ocurse it is probably due to the inability of our district level peple to find either cheek, with both hands AND an anatomy book!!
half a Billion? really?
does anybody actually use netware anymore?
1) unless the macs are relatively recent, they can't run os x. yeah, some schools have imacs, and most can run os x. but it will run slugish unless it is relatively newer, and then it has os x already. although we have a 20 imac lab, they run os 9, and i believe they all have only 64MB ram, so os x isn't an option without money for memory. also, we still have a number of older powerPC 7200/120's (or something like that) that teachers have and love. os x, no way.
2) unless they already have a mac with os x, they won't want to learn it. plus, it will require upgrading/changing the servers, etc. PITA. while it is a great upgrade, it is a logistical problem. and don't expect to many disrict level people to be mac/os x/unix friendly.
apple needs to do something about the hardware. it is just too expensive as far as schools are concerned. it is an example of being pennywise and pound foolish, but my district sees a dell for say $600 and an imac for say $850, and they'll choose the dell every time. plus, most district people, like mine (ARGHHHHH!!!) can't even spell unix.
i bought an ibook a couple of weeks ago. it has 10.2. i love it. but the problem is more hardware than software. a few years ago, schools began moving toward PC's, and os x is just not going to work.
your modem doesn't work because the modem is a winmodem, which requires the operating system, i.e. windows, to do most of the work. thus, your system runs slower because your processor is doing the work for the modem. it is not the fault of linux vendors that winmodems are so crappy. as for leveling the playing field, it is hard to level the field if you're not allowed to even play on the field, but rather have to stand outside the fences and watch the game, then figure out the rules from there.
let's say i develop a web application for IE. sure, everybody has IE, but let's say that it needs IE7.456bugfix3revision89. or whatever. can i redistribute it with the app? uh, no.
but with moz, i can redistribute the app and the browser, however i decide. i can also redistribute the parts i need, like say the runtime, while leaving the bulk out. can i do that with IE. uh, no.
lastly, how does this compare with SashXB?
why would then productin servers have gcc installed. we're not talking a development box. most m$ servers don't have an SDK of any kind installed. now i know that m$ crap only comes in binaries, and you only have to double click a .exe, and that many patches for apache, etc. come in source, but how many companies are going to run a server on a roll your own linux.
whether they use deb, rh, mandrake, whatever, it's got package management. it wouldn't make sense to have a compiler, or am i missing something.
their pants must surely be quite large,since this palladium thing takes some huge balls.
i just got my ibook. it is unbelievable. i also run linux on my desktop and older laptop, have been for over three years. can't believe how much i can do, and i don't even have Office, ha ha ha.
what you will be most happy with is the development environment. in addiotion to the project builder, you have perl, python, java, tons of stuff. basically, if it runs on linux, it will run on os x.
people bitch about it being "proprietary", yada yada, but you seen what intel/amd are doing with paladium lately. the only thing from mac/os x from taking over the world is that mac hardware is more expensive. there is no $400 dollar mac.
linux on the desktop is more than ready for the enterprise/educational markets, because once configured it just freakin runs. configuring can be a bitch, but once that's done, no problem. on os x, confifuration is a dream.
for example, multiple network profiles. i go from my school to home, to grad school, each with a wireless and wired connection, and a couple of clicks and i'm connected. f***in ay. dude, you're gettin' a mac.
you know, with all their troubles with security, patches, linux, anti-trust trials, and everything, they just don't have the time to find people who have benefitted using their products. i mean, come on, there must be one.
surely, you can cut them some slack. ballmer is up late at night thinking of more ways he can attack linux/open source. with 40 billion in the bank, they just can't aford to do the necessary research and investigation. give them a break will you.
i'm sure there are plenty of people who'll testify that they learned how to program using "Learn Visual Basic" and are now working at a major software company.