My point is not that people who use windows are idiots (at least I hope they're not!) my point is that computer technology is often implemented in areas where a microsoft solution either isn't or wasn't prefered. These choices were made out of necessity not some fanboy reasons.
It just annoys me to hear people slagging of machines, OS's and especially users of these systems, when their own knowledge and experience is based on the concept that (Best Product=Highest Number Shipped).
Why would the CD-ROM have to be buil-in???? bizare!
I too was using a caddy type apple branded cd-rom circa 86, the difference was I had a computer that could display quicktime movies of it, while you were still memorizing command lines in an attempt to make your friends think your a real 'techie'!.
After a bit of digging in an old box, I too found a pre-iMac usb card!, The iMac did, however play a big part in bringing USB to the attention of the consumer not to mention peripheral developers (if i remember lots of the newly released peripherals at the time were suddenly badged as iMac/Win compatible and strangely came in translucent plastic. Am also aware that USB was developed by Intel and never claimed apple invented any of this stuff(?)
As regards the lisa, I'm not going to argue about whether it was or wasn't in the 'Marketplace' as far as i'm concerned it was a product that was marketed, sold and failed, it was however, released. And anyway, even if the Lisa was a prototype as you believe, The mac wasn't long after, and still beat everyone else. The bit about the Lisa being the first Mac underplays the huge technical differences between these machines.
This has everything to do whith the people you call 'idiots' seeinbg the trends the computer industry is following.
As for your other errors:
Lisa brought GUI to the marketplace. IMac brought usb to marketplace. MacintoshII (1986)... same year as dos4! brought CD-ROM/Multimedia to the marketplace. deal with it.
Sure, these ideas were being developed decades before, but there is a HUGE difference between a working Xerox PARC prototype, and a consumer computer.
As for firewire, yes, you are right, that I am right!
Yeah, funny how these people 'who have absolutely no clue about computing' were all using cd-rom, multimedia, usb, firewire, multitasking, GUI, mice etc, etc. a long long time before you!!!
Windows is used primarly by people who have to let others (salesmen) make their choices for them. This may be due to a lack of familiarity with computer systems, or more commonly total fear. And you're right, I cannot see this type of person disappearing, or Microsoft stopping their main business practice of preying on these vunerable individuals. What you fail to recognise however, is that Microsoft never have, and never will, deal with advancement of technology (why bother when you've got Sun, IBM, Apple etc. doing it for you, ten years in advance?). No... Windows will continue to represent the 'world of computing' to people who don't know what a computer is (and presumably think that Macdonald's make the best food in the world!!). As for Apple having a 'niche' market share, this is really funny. You could equally argue that more than 90% of people who need a stable and robust system that can process huge files, and have more important things to do then 'patch' their operating system every other week, have already ruled windows out. Remember those of us with an interest in the computer industry spent ten years listening to MS fanboys like yourself claiming that Mac's were 'rubbish' with their windows and newfangled mice and would NEVER replace dos. Oh, and love the gaming bit. Yeah, mac users will never be able to compete with people who spend $1000 to play 'niche' games on a computer. Yeah idiots like Mac users will probably just have to spend $50 dollars on a gamecube and play stuff created by the world greatest games developers... oh dear. Not to worry Vista should be out soon, so you will be able to spend another $100 on making your email program run more slowly. How the world of technology envies you!!!!
"IBM have given Apple the cold shoulder"
Sir, I beleive you have hit the nail on the head. Apple supported IBM after they were f***** over by M$ and now they are too busy with their ascent of big Bills rectum that they are not interested in developing the laptop chips apple needs.
It really does not make sense to be dependant on a supplier, who's richest customer is not you. To use a supplier who supports M$ (and their dubious business tactics) is almost suicidal.
As far as I'm aware the Xerox machines they developed at PARC were never available to buy (apparently the parts cost $10,000 without assembly!) although the Star machines where used internally by Xerox staff. As well as the innovations you quite rightly point to (although you are wrong about the mouse, it was invented well before PARC) they also pretty much invented LAN/Ethernet and the basis of a PDL to drive laser printers. It is also worth noting that when Apple decided to go with the Mac, several key boffins left PARC to join Apple and to form Adobe, realising that the design of the Mac would finally provide the power to drive a Laser printer from a desktop PC.
I also think it's important to distinguish between the Lisa and Windows 1.0. The Lisa was an overambitious engineering disaster (it didn't really work properly!), but it did provide users with what was essencially a modern GUI in 1983 (those who could afford $9.999 for the pleasure!!!). Windows 1.0 on the other hand was a laughable attempt to create a GUI on very basic hardware. Anyone who's had the pleasure of using dosshellG or the Dos editor will be familiar with just how archaic this was. Windows 1.0 and several further version relases were simply Dos applications designed to make the OS look graphical.
Also the issue you raised with Portrait screen is not quite true, as Apple did offer these screens (monochrome only portrait) during the eighties, though they were not (as far as I am aware), able to rotate.
Your point relating to the small screen of the original Mac is partly true. Though it was quite possible to connect a 20" display to a mac via a NuBus card pretty much from the start, these tended to be used by print and publishing companies and were very expensive. It wasn't until 86/87 until the MacII with separate screen (and colour) was released. I'ts worth noting that Dos4 wasn't released until 1988.
I think we are maybe missing the point here. The problem is not understanding the command line, the problem IS the command line.
Any system that requires users to memorise text commands and then re-enter them has no place in modern computing. Command lines are history... get used to it!
Apple did it in 3 releases (shipped the first consumer *NIX) why can't the linux community?
The other people who really 'get' this are of course software developers, who realise that until the command line is ditched Linux has no future on desktop computers.
Next existed before Mac? Strange I thought it was released in 1988, a full 4 years after.
Regarding the 2nd mouse button, the idea of the Mac OS is that anybody with half a brain can figure out what things do with NO prior knowledge of the system. Of course this was much more of an issue when the Mac was released as people really hadn't seen anything like it before (except of course for people with imaginary Next systems). In order to include a right mouse button you have to know what each button does. This introduces a 'mode', and as we all know modes are bad.
You're a perfect example of the kind of brainless scum MS exploit (sorry sell to).
The only person laughing louder than Apple users is big Bill himself.
You may not be bright enough to understand what a computer is, but your comments, as you try, are pure comedy gold!
You could argue (as you have) that 2% of computer users 'choose' a mac.
Or you could argue (I would suggest more accurately) that 98% of computer users do nothing more than send emails, write letters/spreadsheets, browse the web etc. As every computing platform can do this, it therefore make sense to use the (percieved) cheapest platform. I would suggest that a very large proportion of people who actually need to do something with a computer (publish books/magazines, design products and packaging, edit movies, make music) are using macs/*nix already.
Fortunately it's got nothing to do with principles. The on button mouse has two main areas of rationale:
1) to try and force sofware designer to make an effort when laying out menus and commands.
2) to create a system so easy to use that even a dumb fucker like yourself could get involved in the information revolution.
No, small minds like big things like SUV's, Big TV's and anything else that they think will impress people. Sadly all of this stuff has the opposite effect towards anyone with an intellect. You know what they say: Big Car, Small D$@*!
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Microsoft Researchers... lol... are they a bit like McDonalds 'Chefs'!
My point is not that people who use windows are idiots (at least I hope they're not!) my point is that computer technology is often implemented in areas where a microsoft solution either isn't or wasn't prefered. These choices were made out of necessity not some fanboy reasons. It just annoys me to hear people slagging of machines, OS's and especially users of these systems, when their own knowledge and experience is based on the concept that (Best Product=Highest Number Shipped).
Why would the CD-ROM have to be buil-in???? bizare! I too was using a caddy type apple branded cd-rom circa 86, the difference was I had a computer that could display quicktime movies of it, while you were still memorizing command lines in an attempt to make your friends think your a real 'techie'!.
After a bit of digging in an old box, I too found a pre-iMac usb card!, The iMac did, however play a big part in bringing USB to the attention of the consumer not to mention peripheral developers (if i remember lots of the newly released peripherals at the time were suddenly badged as iMac/Win compatible and strangely came in translucent plastic. Am also aware that USB was developed by Intel and never claimed apple invented any of this stuff(?) As regards the lisa, I'm not going to argue about whether it was or wasn't in the 'Marketplace' as far as i'm concerned it was a product that was marketed, sold and failed, it was however, released. And anyway, even if the Lisa was a prototype as you believe, The mac wasn't long after, and still beat everyone else. The bit about the Lisa being the first Mac underplays the huge technical differences between these machines.
This has everything to do whith the people you call 'idiots' seeinbg the trends the computer industry is following. As for your other errors: Lisa brought GUI to the marketplace. IMac brought usb to marketplace. MacintoshII (1986)... same year as dos4! brought CD-ROM/Multimedia to the marketplace. deal with it. Sure, these ideas were being developed decades before, but there is a HUGE difference between a working Xerox PARC prototype, and a consumer computer. As for firewire, yes, you are right, that I am right!
Yeah, funny how these people 'who have absolutely no clue about computing' were all using cd-rom, multimedia, usb, firewire, multitasking, GUI, mice etc, etc. a long long time before you!!!
Nail Hit On Head. If people wanted fast and efficient Microsoft would still be making traffic lights.
Windows is used primarly by people who have to let others (salesmen) make their choices for them. This may be due to a lack of familiarity with computer systems, or more commonly total fear. And you're right, I cannot see this type of person disappearing, or Microsoft stopping their main business practice of preying on these vunerable individuals.
What you fail to recognise however, is that Microsoft never have, and never will, deal with advancement of technology (why bother when you've got Sun, IBM, Apple etc. doing it for you, ten years in advance?).
No... Windows will continue to represent the 'world of computing' to people who don't know what a computer is (and presumably think that Macdonald's make the best food in the world!!).
As for Apple having a 'niche' market share, this is really funny. You could equally argue that more than 90% of people who need a stable and robust system that can process huge files, and have more important things to do then 'patch' their operating system every other week, have already ruled windows out. Remember those of us with an interest in the computer industry spent ten years listening to MS fanboys like yourself claiming that Mac's were 'rubbish' with their windows and newfangled mice and would NEVER replace dos.
Oh, and love the gaming bit. Yeah, mac users will never be able to compete with people who spend $1000 to play 'niche' games on a computer. Yeah idiots like Mac users will probably just have to spend $50 dollars on a gamecube and play stuff created by the world greatest games developers... oh dear. Not to worry Vista should be out soon, so you will be able to spend another $100 on making your email program run more slowly. How the world of technology envies you!!!!
He obviously hasn't tried using one of their laptops...urgh. Well, at least for the couple of months they work for.
"IBM have given Apple the cold shoulder" Sir, I beleive you have hit the nail on the head. Apple supported IBM after they were f***** over by M$ and now they are too busy with their ascent of big Bills rectum that they are not interested in developing the laptop chips apple needs. It really does not make sense to be dependant on a supplier, who's richest customer is not you. To use a supplier who supports M$ (and their dubious business tactics) is almost suicidal.
Bill who???
AAC is NOT a DRM. It is an evolution of MP3.
Anyone who can't manage to plug in a 2 button mouse clearly does not have the intelligence to comment. Go and 'play' with your gimp boy!
Faster than what?... you've clearly never seen a real OS.
As far as I'm aware the Xerox machines they developed at PARC were never available to buy (apparently the parts cost $10,000 without assembly!) although the Star machines where used internally by Xerox staff. As well as the innovations you quite rightly point to (although you are wrong about the mouse, it was invented well before PARC) they also pretty much invented LAN/Ethernet and the basis of a PDL to drive laser printers. It is also worth noting that when Apple decided to go with the Mac, several key boffins left PARC to join Apple and to form Adobe, realising that the design of the Mac would finally provide the power to drive a Laser printer from a desktop PC. I also think it's important to distinguish between the Lisa and Windows 1.0. The Lisa was an overambitious engineering disaster (it didn't really work properly!), but it did provide users with what was essencially a modern GUI in 1983 (those who could afford $9.999 for the pleasure!!!). Windows 1.0 on the other hand was a laughable attempt to create a GUI on very basic hardware. Anyone who's had the pleasure of using dosshellG or the Dos editor will be familiar with just how archaic this was. Windows 1.0 and several further version relases were simply Dos applications designed to make the OS look graphical. Also the issue you raised with Portrait screen is not quite true, as Apple did offer these screens (monochrome only portrait) during the eighties, though they were not (as far as I am aware), able to rotate. Your point relating to the small screen of the original Mac is partly true. Though it was quite possible to connect a 20" display to a mac via a NuBus card pretty much from the start, these tended to be used by print and publishing companies and were very expensive. It wasn't until 86/87 until the MacII with separate screen (and colour) was released. I'ts worth noting that Dos4 wasn't released until 1988.
I think we are maybe missing the point here. The problem is not understanding the command line, the problem IS the command line. Any system that requires users to memorise text commands and then re-enter them has no place in modern computing. Command lines are history... get used to it! Apple did it in 3 releases (shipped the first consumer *NIX) why can't the linux community? The other people who really 'get' this are of course software developers, who realise that until the command line is ditched Linux has no future on desktop computers.
Now we know you're lying!!!
Next existed before Mac? Strange I thought it was released in 1988, a full 4 years after. Regarding the 2nd mouse button, the idea of the Mac OS is that anybody with half a brain can figure out what things do with NO prior knowledge of the system. Of course this was much more of an issue when the Mac was released as people really hadn't seen anything like it before (except of course for people with imaginary Next systems). In order to include a right mouse button you have to know what each button does. This introduces a 'mode', and as we all know modes are bad.
You're a perfect example of the kind of brainless scum MS exploit (sorry sell to). The only person laughing louder than Apple users is big Bill himself. You may not be bright enough to understand what a computer is, but your comments, as you try, are pure comedy gold!
You could argue (as you have) that 2% of computer users 'choose' a mac.
Or you could argue (I would suggest more accurately) that 98% of computer users do nothing more than send emails, write letters/spreadsheets, browse the web etc. As every computing platform can do this, it therefore make sense to use the (percieved) cheapest platform.
I would suggest that a very large proportion of people who actually need to do something with a computer (publish books/magazines, design products and packaging, edit movies, make music) are using macs/*nix already.
YOU can't, because YOU clearly wouldn't recognise a REAL computer if it landed on your desk. Also I would suggest that your WIFE is in fact your FIST!
Fortunately it's got nothing to do with principles. The on button mouse has two main areas of rationale: 1) to try and force sofware designer to make an effort when laying out menus and commands. 2) to create a system so easy to use that even a dumb fucker like yourself could get involved in the information revolution.
Surely the fact that Apple are prepared to 'Think Different' in the first place is cause for us to all rejoice?
A Jag has style, so you (and your Jag) are forgiven!!!
No, small minds like big things like SUV's, Big TV's and anything else that they think will impress people. Sadly all of this stuff has the opposite effect towards anyone with an intellect. You know what they say: Big Car, Small D$@*!