We don't think much of [insert endeavor here], because ninety years ago or so, [same endeavor] turned its back on everyone except those in its little clique. Try creating "[you got it - anything]" yourself, as a Machia, and watch yourself get laughed out into the street by Real [endeavorists].
The same could be said about virtually anything - including the geek arts. Actual artists will be the first ones to admit that anything can be art, and anyone can make art - that art doesn't exist outside of the individual and their perception of a peice. However, snobby elitists will laugh simply because they are elitists, and they don't want to see their time in the sun cut short by some johnny-come-lately, trying to innovate the state of the art. I see this EVERYWHERE in geek culture, especially slashdot, and especially by those who are really mediocre. Geek culture sometimes is the same kind of elitist cespool as you claim art culture is. Art is art to the individual. Fuck 'em if they don't like what you do....especially if they're hot.
Had he been a true agnostic, he would have read it, laughed, and moved on. You can be an agnostic theist. And agnostic admits that God's definite existence can not be known. The agnostic can still, however, believe that God exists or does not. An atheist, on the other hand, Says nothing about existence, but does say something about the belief in God - namely that the individual atheist does not believe in the existence of God, and is without God. It's a truth vs idea issue. At least, that's how I understand it. I could be wrong.
Liberal and conservative are relative things. When used as an absolute, i.e. "the media is liberal," you must agree on a scale.
What? Things in life are actually relative?! Hah. Next you're going to tell me the earth is round! Pshaw!
This is my main turn off to the conservative mindset - the simplification of complex systems; that there are indeed only two sides to an issue, and thus there is a black answer and a white answer. And since white rhymes with right, and white is also mostly associated with good, the right answer must be the white answer, and thus the good and correct one. Unfortunately things don't work that way. The world is a complex self-correcting system, completely organic, dynamic, and full of nuances. Here ends my little rant, and the stroking of my own already fully satiated sense of self-justification.
What I meant was that if Linux switched to the BSD license, Microsoft could release their own proprietary version of Linux. Under the BSD license, such a release would not have to be open at all.
And your point? If linux did switch to the BSD license, and Microsoft did indeed fork and make their own proprietary version, that does not nullify Linus' own repository, or the various kernel forks (called, cleverly enough, "Patch Sets") that already exist (-aa, -ck, -mm, etc). The only immediate downside, really, is receiving patches back from microsoft - but is that really a bad thing? Would the community really want those patches? There were proprietary version of UNIX based off the BSD codebase, but did that kill BSD? Nope.
They already did that with the TCP stack from what I understand. They incorporated the BSD stack in their code and their use of it is not open at all.
And they also butchered that stack, while the BSD people improved upon the original code base. So what bad came out of the for the BSD folks? None. They kept their clean, fairly efficient code, and Microsoft completely bastardized what they took and now has a TCP/IP stack that performs just good enough. BSD'ed code will always exist, so long as someone has space to serve it.
It would be a slow evoultionary process. They've already started it by implementing x86-64, and Intel had to play catch-up. I would imagine them continuing the AMD64 line for a while, then crafting another intersting innovation, and continue, in an iterative fashion, while you see big propritary operating systems like windows adapting to their changes and taking advantage of it (assuming these changes are beneficial to adapt to, of course). Slowly you'll see two different achitectures emerge from the same base arch as 64-bit becomes commonplace. I think the fan base behind both AMD and Intel will keep both companies alive, so long as they both perform on around the same level. It'll probably take a damn long time - if it happens at all - but with x86-64, amd showed that it can actually innovate and not just make a cheap, fast, hot pentium-clone. If they keep that up, and keep their quality where it's at right now...i think it could happen.
yeah i'm agreeing with this one. I hope PPC starts really moving - it's got some damn nice architecture behind it...POWER5's are going to be awesome. I would love to see the market open up for PPC, and start to see them sold next to Athlons and P4's.
As far as AMD goes, they did a damn fine thing with AMD64. Hopefully they keep it up and keep diverging from intel, while still offering a cheaper and (in some cases) technologically superior competating product. I would hate to see the day when Intel really does own the processor market.
No, that deep there is virtually no convection. In a dimictic lake (Which we'll assume this lake is), there are two major mixing events (in the spring and in the fall) barring those two mixing events, convection stops once you get into the hypolimnion (lower level, where all the cold water resides). There is a small mixing layer, but its pretty far above 80 or so meters. Basically, as long as they don't suck so much water that the they're taking water from the top 20 or so meters, things should be fine.
Being a large lake in a climate that actually has seasons (unlike here in southern california), it's stratified. Meaning there is a very large temperature gradient between the top and bottom of the lake. It's hard to break up stratification - you literally need a mecanical force to mix the waters (common practice is to use turbines to force the warm, oxygen-rich water at the top down to the bottom and force the cooler water up to the top, or to have a large bubbler at the bottom of the lake to provide upward force). What cools the water at the bottom is low light pennetration, mixed with...well...being below the surface of the earth. Once you get below a few feet, barring any kind of geothermal activity, the ground is pretty cold.
Taking water from close to 100 km down won't force any cold water up, nor will it bring any warm water down - since...you know...hot water tends to rise, and cold water tends to sink. If they did this properly, it shouldn't be too difficult to keep the lake stratified. Now, if they were discharging hot water that deep, then that would be a different story.
And just YOU wait until the VFS system in DragonFly finishes it's top-to-bottom re-write! I have a feeling this new BSD isn't going to be something to sneeze at. I've been following the kernel@ mailing list, and it sounds damn awesome. It's going to be one hell of a beautiful little OS. Let's hope it runs as beautifully as it sounds on paper when all is coded and done.
Without religion, we would have far less barbaric acts.
You will always have religion, spiritual or civic. Right now the US is in Iraq, killing for it's own civic religion, whether you feel it's currently based on oil or civil liberty. I prefer to think we're basing this war on the protection of our civil rights and our constitution (which i still don't agree with fighting over), but the argument of a war over an oil-based, mass-consumptive lifestyle seems more valid every day. In anycase, civic religion is a major idea in Religious Studies - replace God with a piece of paper called a constitution, and Jesus on the cross with the blood and bandages of every military man from the revolution until now. Patriotism seems more and more like just another arrogant dogma.
Not to say my point of view is correct, it's just another one.
hah. The funny thing is, i'm not a BSD zealot. Infact, i'm using linux right now. It's my main desktop.
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I never actually said the money would disappear. I said it's a hell of a way to sink a huge chunk of money that could be put to use that might actually benefit everyone, not just the local Dubaians...i'll give a simple economics-based answer to this..
Hypothetically, Say a oil baron in Dubai since 2.6 billion dollars into a huge simulated chess board, made to attract chess officianados from around the world into Dubai. Each tourist will need the following:
1) Transportation
2) Shelter
3) Food/Beverages
4) Entertainment
5) Souveniers
Behind each of these services, people get paid, and those people buy what they need (transportation, shelter, food, clothing, entertainment, etc). After the innitial money gets invested into the attraction and the local area by the tourists, the majority of the money stays in Dubai, circulating through the local economy with the exception of people leaving dubai and spreading their money elsewhere.
You have a moderate marginal monetary benefit for each of the workers, who are able to live another week until they get paid once more.
On the other hand, break that 2.6 billion dollars into 2,600 separate 1 million dollar grants to various academic (to incerase the chance of published results, and not R&D for some random corporation) scientists for various projects. Assume 5% discover something ground breaking, say a definitive answer on the global warming question, a more efficient means for hydrogen power, or the jackpot - efficient cold-ish fusion power. Instead of the marginal benefit staying in a localized area, the entire scientific community benefits, engineering firms begin to churn out new products based on the discoveries, profits roll in from around the world - hell, maybe the cure for cancer is discovered. What I'm saying is basically that science is a much more effective way to stimulate the global economy and raise everyone's standard of living than a multi-billion dollar tourist trap. Instead of a moderate localize marginal benefit, you'll have a moderate global marginal benefit.
That is a very good point, and I agree...but still man...chess?! And by the american way of life, i meant short-sighted and highly consumptive...i've never been to dubai so i can't speak for their way of life.
Or perhaps major in a field that tries to solve the world's problems and devote his/her life to research to try and figure out solutions to those problems, or even better the deeper problems behind the superficial problems at hand. Which is what i'm doing. Now go back to your silly little sys-admin job and bitch to your fat co-worker about how brainless your userbase is.
Do you realize I wasn't necesarily bashing them for doing this? I just find it interesting that in one of the riches countries in the world, they're planning to spend 2.6 billion dollars....on chess. That's it. I never said 2.6 billion would solve wold hunger, i never said it would stop the conflict in the middle east, nor global warming. However, on global warming, 2.6 billion bucks would go a LONG way as research grants for quite a few atmospheric scientists. There are just more important money sinks than a game. This just seems like a romantic waste of money.
I don't doubt your experience, but my KT333 system just died yesturday. It won't even POST after I fidded with some AGP-related BIOS settings, even after clearing the CMOS. It lived a good life though, three years of intense tri- to quad-booting service, gaming, heavy compiling with freebsd/dragonfly/gentoo. It was retired as my windows box, and was replaced with a opteron 144 based system using the nforce 3 pro chipset. It'll be interesting to see how long this thing lives.
WHile it was alive, though, it was plagued by USB-related issues. I have never had a via chipsetted box that did not have a USB issue.
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Dude, if your total is $0.00, and you saved $0.00, you saved 100%!!!
We don't think much of [insert endeavor here], because ninety years ago or so, [same endeavor] turned its back on everyone except those in its little clique. Try creating "[you got it - anything]" yourself, as a Machia, and watch yourself get laughed out into the street by Real [endeavorists].
...especially if they're hot.
The same could be said about virtually anything - including the geek arts. Actual artists will be the first ones to admit that anything can be art, and anyone can make art - that art doesn't exist outside of the individual and their perception of a peice. However, snobby elitists will laugh simply because they are elitists, and they don't want to see their time in the sun cut short by some johnny-come-lately, trying to innovate the state of the art. I see this EVERYWHERE in geek culture, especially slashdot, and especially by those who are really mediocre. Geek culture sometimes is the same kind of elitist cespool as you claim art culture is. Art is art to the individual. Fuck 'em if they don't like what you do.
Had he been a true agnostic, he would have read it, laughed, and moved on. You can be an agnostic theist. And agnostic admits that God's definite existence can not be known. The agnostic can still, however, believe that God exists or does not. An atheist, on the other hand, Says nothing about existence, but does say something about the belief in God - namely that the individual atheist does not believe in the existence of God, and is without God. It's a truth vs idea issue. At least, that's how I understand it. I could be wrong.
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Liberal and conservative are relative things. When used as an absolute, i.e. "the media is liberal," you must agree on a scale.
What? Things in life are actually relative?! Hah. Next you're going to tell me the earth is round! Pshaw!
This is my main turn off to the conservative mindset - the simplification of complex systems; that there are indeed only two sides to an issue, and thus there is a black answer and a white answer. And since white rhymes with right, and white is also mostly associated with good, the right answer must be the white answer, and thus the good and correct one. Unfortunately things don't work that way. The world is a complex self-correcting system, completely organic, dynamic, and full of nuances. Here ends my little rant, and the stroking of my own already fully satiated sense of self-justification.
What I meant was that if Linux switched to the BSD license, Microsoft could release their own proprietary version of Linux. Under the BSD license, such a release would not have to be open at all.
And your point? If linux did switch to the BSD license, and Microsoft did indeed fork and make their own proprietary version, that does not nullify Linus' own repository, or the various kernel forks (called, cleverly enough, "Patch Sets") that already exist (-aa, -ck, -mm, etc). The only immediate downside, really, is receiving patches back from microsoft - but is that really a bad thing? Would the community really want those patches? There were proprietary version of UNIX based off the BSD codebase, but did that kill BSD? Nope.
They already did that with the TCP stack from what I understand. They incorporated the BSD stack in their code and their use of it is not open at all.
And they also butchered that stack, while the BSD people improved upon the original code base. So what bad came out of the for the BSD folks? None. They kept their clean, fairly efficient code, and Microsoft completely bastardized what they took and now has a TCP/IP stack that performs just good enough. BSD'ed code will always exist, so long as someone has space to serve it.
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You probably can't decide, but you can bitch about it. That's what slashdot is for, anyway - mindless bitchin!
It would be a slow evoultionary process. They've already started it by implementing x86-64, and Intel had to play catch-up. I would imagine them continuing the AMD64 line for a while, then crafting another intersting innovation, and continue, in an iterative fashion, while you see big propritary operating systems like windows adapting to their changes and taking advantage of it (assuming these changes are beneficial to adapt to, of course). Slowly you'll see two different achitectures emerge from the same base arch as 64-bit becomes commonplace. I think the fan base behind both AMD and Intel will keep both companies alive, so long as they both perform on around the same level. It'll probably take a damn long time - if it happens at all - but with x86-64, amd showed that it can actually innovate and not just make a cheap, fast, hot pentium-clone. If they keep that up, and keep their quality where it's at right now...i think it could happen.
Competing. I saw that right after I hit submit, and cringed in fear of spelling nazis.
Competating is kind of a neat sounding word, though.
yeah i'm agreeing with this one. I hope PPC starts really moving - it's got some damn nice architecture behind it...POWER5's are going to be awesome. I would love to see the market open up for PPC, and start to see them sold next to Athlons and P4's.
As far as AMD goes, they did a damn fine thing with AMD64. Hopefully they keep it up and keep diverging from intel, while still offering a cheaper and (in some cases) technologically superior competating product. I would hate to see the day when Intel really does own the processor market.
No, that deep there is virtually no convection. In a dimictic lake (Which we'll assume this lake is), there are two major mixing events (in the spring and in the fall) barring those two mixing events, convection stops once you get into the hypolimnion (lower level, where all the cold water resides). There is a small mixing layer, but its pretty far above 80 or so meters. Basically, as long as they don't suck so much water that the they're taking water from the top 20 or so meters, things should be fine.
Being a large lake in a climate that actually has seasons (unlike here in southern california), it's stratified. Meaning there is a very large temperature gradient between the top and bottom of the lake. It's hard to break up stratification - you literally need a mecanical force to mix the waters (common practice is to use turbines to force the warm, oxygen-rich water at the top down to the bottom and force the cooler water up to the top, or to have a large bubbler at the bottom of the lake to provide upward force). What cools the water at the bottom is low light pennetration, mixed with...well...being below the surface of the earth. Once you get below a few feet, barring any kind of geothermal activity, the ground is pretty cold.
Taking water from close to 100 km down won't force any cold water up, nor will it bring any warm water down - since...you know...hot water tends to rise, and cold water tends to sink. If they did this properly, it shouldn't be too difficult to keep the lake stratified. Now, if they were discharging hot water that deep, then that would be a different story.
Greedo....sounds like guido, AND he's a gangster. Fascinating.
And just YOU wait until the VFS system in DragonFly finishes it's top-to-bottom re-write! I have a feeling this new BSD isn't going to be something to sneeze at. I've been following the kernel@ mailing list, and it sounds damn awesome. It's going to be one hell of a beautiful little OS. Let's hope it runs as beautifully as it sounds on paper when all is coded and done.
Without religion, we would have far less barbaric acts.
You will always have religion, spiritual or civic. Right now the US is in Iraq, killing for it's own civic religion, whether you feel it's currently based on oil or civil liberty. I prefer to think we're basing this war on the protection of our civil rights and our constitution (which i still don't agree with fighting over), but the argument of a war over an oil-based, mass-consumptive lifestyle seems more valid every day. In anycase, civic religion is a major idea in Religious Studies - replace God with a piece of paper called a constitution, and Jesus on the cross with the blood and bandages of every military man from the revolution until now. Patriotism seems more and more like just another arrogant dogma.
Not to say my point of view is correct, it's just another one.
hah. The funny thing is, i'm not a BSD zealot. Infact, i'm using linux right now. It's my main desktop.
I never actually said the money would disappear. I said it's a hell of a way to sink a huge chunk of money that could be put to use that might actually benefit everyone, not just the local Dubaians...i'll give a simple economics-based answer to this..
Hypothetically, Say a oil baron in Dubai since 2.6 billion dollars into a huge simulated chess board, made to attract chess officianados from around the world into Dubai. Each tourist will need the following:
1) Transportation
2) Shelter
3) Food/Beverages
4) Entertainment
5) Souveniers
Behind each of these services, people get paid, and those people buy what they need (transportation, shelter, food, clothing, entertainment, etc). After the innitial money gets invested into the attraction and the local area by the tourists, the majority of the money stays in Dubai, circulating through the local economy with the exception of people leaving dubai and spreading their money elsewhere.
You have a moderate marginal monetary benefit for each of the workers, who are able to live another week until they get paid once more.
On the other hand, break that 2.6 billion dollars into 2,600 separate 1 million dollar grants to various academic (to incerase the chance of published results, and not R&D for some random corporation) scientists for various projects. Assume 5% discover something ground breaking, say a definitive answer on the global warming question, a more efficient means for hydrogen power, or the jackpot - efficient cold-ish fusion power. Instead of the marginal benefit staying in a localized area, the entire scientific community benefits, engineering firms begin to churn out new products based on the discoveries, profits roll in from around the world - hell, maybe the cure for cancer is discovered. What I'm saying is basically that science is a much more effective way to stimulate the global economy and raise everyone's standard of living than a multi-billion dollar tourist trap. Instead of a moderate localize marginal benefit, you'll have a moderate global marginal benefit.
That is a very good point, and I agree...but still man...chess?! And by the american way of life, i meant short-sighted and highly consumptive...i've never been to dubai so i can't speak for their way of life.
Or perhaps major in a field that tries to solve the world's problems and devote his/her life to research to try and figure out solutions to those problems, or even better the deeper problems behind the superficial problems at hand. Which is what i'm doing. Now go back to your silly little sys-admin job and bitch to your fat co-worker about how brainless your userbase is.
Which gives the CS student experience to put on his/her resume, and helps forward the research of the non-coder academic.
I'm pretty sure the submitter meant to say 5.x-release instead of 5.x current, since there's only one perpetual release of -current, not many.
Do you realize I wasn't necesarily bashing them for doing this? I just find it interesting that in one of the riches countries in the world, they're planning to spend 2.6 billion dollars....on chess. That's it. I never said 2.6 billion would solve wold hunger, i never said it would stop the conflict in the middle east, nor global warming. However, on global warming, 2.6 billion bucks would go a LONG way as research grants for quite a few atmospheric scientists. There are just more important money sinks than a game. This just seems like a romantic waste of money.
Let's define fucktard, shall we?!
Fucktard (n.) - You.
I have not only seen it...I OWN it. The punk chick in it is quite hot.
I don't doubt your experience, but my KT333 system just died yesturday. It won't even POST after I fidded with some AGP-related BIOS settings, even after clearing the CMOS. It lived a good life though, three years of intense tri- to quad-booting service, gaming, heavy compiling with freebsd/dragonfly/gentoo. It was retired as my windows box, and was replaced with a opteron 144 based system using the nforce 3 pro chipset. It'll be interesting to see how long this thing lives.
WHile it was alive, though, it was plagued by USB-related issues. I have never had a via chipsetted box that did not have a USB issue.