When you try to get your non-science geek friends to understand why you think "space and stuff" is fascinating, it is a lot easier to point them to a web page like this, and have them goof around a but, rather then tell them "Download and install Celestia, it's a lot more accurate".
Sometimes in the realm of non-geeks, accessibility trumps accuracy. This is one of the cases where the lack of accuracy don't really hurt that much.
True this.
The thing is that I am sure he would have received a 3 month Suspended Sentence, and be free to move on whereever he wants to stay after that.
Instead he's spent what, 18 months, 2 years in house arrest in a process that's completely collapsed WikiLeaks and the good job that was being done.
Now, when he does appear in a court here in in Sweden, the details of his (alledged) behavior with these women will become public record. The punishment, if he's found guilty at all, will be minimal, and all that will remain is the image of a jerk who fled responsibility.
If he's found innocent and let go, he will - of course - look even more foolish and paranoid.
It's indeed a sad story this.
The article says that "all subway systems with more than 100 stations match this".
According to Wikipedia, the Stockholm subway system has 101 stations, out of which 100 are active, and the Stockholm subway system does not have this core loop that they talk about. I hope they don't extend to more than 100 active stations, it would invalidate all this important research.:)
Let them perish in that huge heap of cash they're bringing in. Look how their utterly failing business model is killing them. St00pid ancient business model. They're just bringing in 16 billion dollars per quarter. Muahahaha! S00 sp00pid. Linux FTW, etc, etc.
The Linux vs Windows flame war was fun back in 1995. Can we move along?
3000 years ago? What are you, some kind of unscientifical heretic? Everyone in the scientific community knows that the earth was created on October 23, 4004 BC.
I agree that they screwed up with their IDEs back in the MFC days and it hasn't been until very recently that their GUI designers has been even remotely useful. I think they're gaining now and gaining fast, but there may be better products out there.
I looked a bit at some of Trolltechs software at the PDC, they had a booth there. Not sure if it was QtDesigner they were showing off, butit sure looked like a step back from the MS line of products, BUT I'll grant you that I haven't used QtDesigner "for real". It might be top notch.
Your life as a developer will become a whole lot less fun when the rest of the world will finally force you to let go of your Microsoft security blanket
Would you like some cheese with your whine?
You've no idea what my background is, what platforms I've been working on or prefer. You're putting the "ass" in "assumptions" and it's starting to smell bad.
The stuff that Microsoft was presenting on the PDC seemed to be some pretty good stuff, no matter where they "stole" it from. If it turns out shit in the end, we don't know. It seemed very nice and if they deliver, it WILL make Windows based development easier. When the revolution comes, I'm sure you'll be the king of the world, but 'til then...buhbye.
While I totally agree with you that MS has screwed up royally during the years, it just kinda annoys me to see something this good (because, quite frankly, it IS good) get beaten down with the auto-hammer just because there's a Microsoft logo on the packaging box.
Anyway, I'll leave this topic now. There's no point in going on, I think this new Microsoft stuff will make development on the Windows platform a whole lot better. You may fume about this, or think that other platforms are better or that MS sucks for not making all this available 10 years ago. I really don't care. This will make my life as a developer more fun. Arguing on the internet will make me a retard, as the old paraolympics comparison goes. The choice is easy.
What sucks is that Microsoft created the problem in the first place, then made the world suffer with it for more than a decade, and now finally gets around to fixing it, after we pay them another cool several billions of dollars for upgrades.
Yeah, it sucks that they fix broken things. They are so dumb for fixing things that are broken. Oh, woe, HOW can they be this stupid?
What also sucks is that people like you don't even know what's going on.
What I know is that things suddenly got better on the Windows platform. You treat that as a bad thing. It makes me wonder how you are wired. Are you just pissed off because Microsoft has improved themselves?
It actually/does/ allow you to change the way apps look without a recompile. You can edit the interface files of an app (.nib files) directly and run the app after saving your changes normally. The.nib files are not compiled code within the executable; they're individual files inside a bundle (a folder-like container used for applications).
Hey, that's great. Then I'm still glad that Microsoft is putting this stuff out there, since it'll make GUI design&updates as easy as it seemingly is on a Mac. I still fail to see the bad part in this here situation.
When you guys see a three-point seatbelt in a car that's not a Volvo, do you get upset? Originality is great, and if Apple has done all this stuff before, that's fantastic. However, taking the Apple/stuff and moving it to the most common platform in the world, that's still good. Windows development has been sorely lacking in this area so I have a hard time getting upset that Microsoft is now releasing this stuff on their own platform.
How the hell have you people been programming for the past decade?:( I've only been doing this for a couple years, Cocoa, RoR, php, some C command-line Unix stuff, but I know what to expect from a GUI development platform.
Gee, wiz, that's great. We, like many developers of Windows software, have been using the DevStudio tools. The visual designers they have supplied have been pretty shit at doing design work in, but that's not the main problem. The main problem is that they sometime corrupt your code. That's REALLY bad. Now, when this happens, a developer sometimes has to get in there and push pixels around. That's shit. Now they're presenting XAML and the code/design separation and that is a good thing. And I dare say no computer platform had reached the Avalon level of GUI-creation in the year 2000. Sorry, but that's just not so.
But, hey, I'm glad you're on a platform you like. I have NOT been on a GUI-development platform I like for the last twn years and now this makes for a great change. (Granted, it's only the last two years I've had to do any real Windows GUI work, the code I wrote before then was either 2D/3D game engines or 3D CAD rendering enginges.)
Just writing "Interface Builder" wouldn't really have conveyed the message of me being a bought-up serf of Darth Gates, at least not to the full extent I was aiming for.
The stuff NewsFactor wrote IS a bad idea.
The stuff Microsoft said is NOT a bad idea.
So, if you prefer NewsFactor's version of what Microsoft said, that's fine. Sorry for interrupting your day with facts, sir.
"Supposedly the goal is not to compete head to head with the proposed Adobe/Macromedia merger but to turn developers into designers" The first part is dubious and the second just plain scary, a little of M$ magic powder and shazaam! now are a designer, I know to work with both, developers and designers are two completely different breed, rare, extremely rare are the persons good at both!
I think you'll find that being NewsFactor's take on the story. The guys at Microsoft said something completely different at the PDC when the software suite was being released. They want to allow developers to stay out of the GUI design loop, and leave that completely to the designers. That is Good.
Lotus Notes?
Yeah, too bad it hasn't evolved since 1995.;-)
Notes is, in my opinion, the worst piece of software to survive this long in that mail/contact management area. The only worse piece of software I've used in that respect was First Class, and even that had the advantage that I could telnet to the server and hence access my Email through a command prompt. Yay.:-)
But, yeah, you're most likely right in saying that Outlook wasn't the first (and certainly not the greatest) back then.
After recently attending the PDC in Los Angeles, I must say that this seems to be a big step forward. The separation between code and GUI-design/layout is a great step forward. Designing and changing GUIs should not rest on the developer (You know you've been there, programmatically moving a button two pixels to the right to align with some text label or somesuch, worrying about how the size of the button text will look in german, etc. That's just plain dumb) but rather on the GUI designer. Also, this separation makes most (maybe all) new Avalon-GUIs skinnable out-of-the-box. How can that be a bad thing? (Granted that we will now be swamped by people doing insane GUIs like never before)
This developer/designer split allows me as a programmer to focus on writing the actual logic code. The designer can then change the GUI-layout at will, without having to involve me in the process at all.
These tools, as far as I saw them presented at the PDC, seem like a good help in that direction. XAML seems very sweet, Avalon looks awesome. I tell you, my friends, this stuff does not suck.
Now, we can return to our scheduled programming of bashing at the Redmond Beast with all the might we care to summon.:-)
Oh, so YOU'RE the SlashDot reader who've had sex??;-)
Anyway, it says that 94% of all people questioned gave their pet's name. I'm sorry, I don't buy that 94% of the population have a pet. They didn't sell THAT well:
In the English language article, the levy tax is said to be set to ~$4 on blank CD-Rs. This isn't true. As much as I hate to "defend" this new ridiculous law, the suggestion is to impose a levy tax of 0.25 Swedish "cents" per Megabyte of storage space on the media. (one Swedish "cent" being ~ 0.11 US cents.) So the levy tax on blank CD-Rs will be 0.25*700*0.01 SEK, totalling 1.75 SEK, or less than a quarter in US coinage.
I spent some time yesterday reading through the damn suggestion and it's filled with weird stuff. For instance, it will still be legal to create "fair use" copies, for your car CD player, etc. BUT, it's illegal to produce or sell software that hacks the copy protection scheme on CDs and DVDs...BUT I still have the legal right to make personal copies.. So, HOW DO I DO THAT, THEN, My DEAR GOVERNMENT??? If I have a legal right to make copies of a CD for my own use, will the Government aid me in suing the record companies that put out copy protected CDs?
I suppose they won't.;-)
So, Yeah, the initial reaction at work yesterday was "Welcome to the DDR". Fsck./Switz
"Your results appear to have been obtained using proprietary technology within the so-called Linux Unix operating system. Please cease and desist using SCO's Intellectual Property without obtaining a licence. All your Quark-Gluon Plasma are belong to us."
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When you try to get your non-science geek friends to understand why you think "space and stuff" is fascinating, it is a lot easier to point them to a web page like this, and have them goof around a but, rather then tell them "Download and install Celestia, it's a lot more accurate". Sometimes in the realm of non-geeks, accessibility trumps accuracy. This is one of the cases where the lack of accuracy don't really hurt that much.
True this. The thing is that I am sure he would have received a 3 month Suspended Sentence, and be free to move on whereever he wants to stay after that. Instead he's spent what, 18 months, 2 years in house arrest in a process that's completely collapsed WikiLeaks and the good job that was being done. Now, when he does appear in a court here in in Sweden, the details of his (alledged) behavior with these women will become public record. The punishment, if he's found guilty at all, will be minimal, and all that will remain is the image of a jerk who fled responsibility. If he's found innocent and let go, he will - of course - look even more foolish and paranoid. It's indeed a sad story this.
The article says that "all subway systems with more than 100 stations match this". According to Wikipedia, the Stockholm subway system has 101 stations, out of which 100 are active, and the Stockholm subway system does not have this core loop that they talk about. I hope they don't extend to more than 100 active stations, it would invalidate all this important research. :)
..does it run Quake?
You're right, let them sink!
Let them perish in that huge heap of cash they're bringing in. Look how their utterly failing business model is killing them. St00pid ancient business model. They're just bringing in 16 billion dollars per quarter. Muahahaha! S00 sp00pid. Linux FTW, etc, etc.
The Linux vs Windows flame war was fun back in 1995. Can we move along?
FYI: "Gilgamesh" is ancient Sumerian for "Chuck Norris".
3000 years ago? What are you, some kind of unscientifical heretic? Everyone in the scientific community knows that the earth was created on October 23, 4004 BC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth
I agree that they screwed up with their IDEs back in the MFC days and it hasn't been until very recently that their GUI designers has been even remotely useful. I think they're gaining now and gaining fast, but there may be better products out there. I looked a bit at some of Trolltechs software at the PDC, they had a booth there. Not sure if it was QtDesigner they were showing off, butit sure looked like a step back from the MS line of products, BUT I'll grant you that I haven't used QtDesigner "for real". It might be top notch.
I do. You told us. And you demonstrated by your incompetence that you didn't know much else
I told you some, not all. You really have no idea. Point your incompetence finger elsewhere, it's getting ridiculous.
Your life as a developer will become a whole lot less fun when the rest of the world will finally force you to let go of your Microsoft security blanket
Would you like some cheese with your whine?
You've no idea what my background is, what platforms I've been working on or prefer. You're putting the "ass" in "assumptions" and it's starting to smell bad.
The stuff that Microsoft was presenting on the PDC seemed to be some pretty good stuff, no matter where they "stole" it from. If it turns out shit in the end, we don't know. It seemed very nice and if they deliver, it WILL make Windows based development easier. When the revolution comes, I'm sure you'll be the king of the world, but 'til then...buhbye.
While I totally agree with you that MS has screwed up royally during the years, it just kinda annoys me to see something this good (because, quite frankly, it IS good) get beaten down with the auto-hammer just because there's a Microsoft logo on the packaging box.
Anyway, I'll leave this topic now. There's no point in going on, I think this new Microsoft stuff will make development on the Windows platform a whole lot better. You may fume about this, or think that other platforms are better or that MS sucks for not making all this available 10 years ago. I really don't care. This will make my life as a developer more fun. Arguing on the internet will make me a retard, as the old paraolympics comparison goes. The choice is easy.
What sucks is that Microsoft created the problem in the first place, then made the world suffer with it for more than a decade, and now finally gets around to fixing it, after we pay them another cool several billions of dollars for upgrades.
Yeah, it sucks that they fix broken things. They are so dumb for fixing things that are broken. Oh, woe, HOW can they be this stupid? What also sucks is that people like you don't even know what's going on. What I know is that things suddenly got better on the Windows platform. You treat that as a bad thing. It makes me wonder how you are wired. Are you just pissed off because Microsoft has improved themselves?
It actually /does/ allow you to change the way apps look without a recompile. You can edit the interface files of an app (.nib files) directly and run the app after saving your changes normally. The .nib files are not compiled code within the executable; they're individual files inside a bundle (a folder-like container used for applications).
Hey, that's great. Then I'm still glad that Microsoft is putting this stuff out there, since it'll make GUI design&updates as easy as it seemingly is on a Mac. I still fail to see the bad part in this here situation.
When you guys see a three-point seatbelt in a car that's not a Volvo, do you get upset? Originality is great, and if Apple has done all this stuff before, that's fantastic. However, taking the Apple/stuff and moving it to the most common platform in the world, that's still good. Windows development has been sorely lacking in this area so I have a hard time getting upset that Microsoft is now releasing this stuff on their own platform.
It builds GUIs on the Windows platform? It allows you to change the way the app looks without a recompile?
Nifty. I bow to the Jobs-unit.
Ok, then. It's impossible. I'm glad you enjoy laying out the buttons. I should have known better.
How the hell have you people been programming for the past decade? :( I've only been doing this for a couple years, Cocoa, RoR, php, some C command-line Unix stuff, but I know what to expect from a GUI development platform.
Gee, wiz, that's great. We, like many developers of Windows software, have been using the DevStudio tools. The visual designers they have supplied have been pretty shit at doing design work in, but that's not the main problem. The main problem is that they sometime corrupt your code. That's REALLY bad. Now, when this happens, a developer sometimes has to get in there and push pixels around. That's shit. Now they're presenting XAML and the code/design separation and that is a good thing. And I dare say no computer platform had reached the Avalon level of GUI-creation in the year 2000. Sorry, but that's just not so.
But, hey, I'm glad you're on a platform you like. I have NOT been on a GUI-development platform I like for the last twn years and now this makes for a great change. (Granted, it's only the last two years I've had to do any real Windows GUI work, the code I wrote before then was either 2D/3D game engines or 3D CAD rendering enginges.)
Just writing "Interface Builder" wouldn't really have conveyed the message of me being a bought-up serf of Darth Gates, at least not to the full extent I was aiming for.
The stuff NewsFactor wrote IS a bad idea. The stuff Microsoft said is NOT a bad idea. So, if you prefer NewsFactor's version of what Microsoft said, that's fine. Sorry for interrupting your day with facts, sir.
"Supposedly the goal is not to compete head to head with the proposed Adobe/Macromedia merger but to turn developers into designers"
The first part is dubious and the second just plain scary, a little of M$ magic powder and shazaam! now are a designer, I know to work with both, developers and designers are two completely different breed, rare, extremely rare are the persons good at both!
I think you'll find that being NewsFactor's take on the story. The guys at Microsoft said something completely different at the PDC when the software suite was being released. They want to allow developers to stay out of the GUI design loop, and leave that completely to the designers. That is Good.
Lotus Notes? Yeah, too bad it hasn't evolved since 1995. ;-)
Notes is, in my opinion, the worst piece of software to survive this long in that mail/contact management area. The only worse piece of software I've used in that respect was First Class, and even that had the advantage that I could telnet to the server and hence access my Email through a command prompt. Yay. :-)
But, yeah, you're most likely right in saying that Outlook wasn't the first (and certainly not the greatest) back then.
After recently attending the PDC in Los Angeles, I must say that this seems to be a big step forward. The separation between code and GUI-design/layout is a great step forward. Designing and changing GUIs should not rest on the developer (You know you've been there, programmatically moving a button two pixels to the right to align with some text label or somesuch, worrying about how the size of the button text will look in german, etc. That's just plain dumb) but rather on the GUI designer. Also, this separation makes most (maybe all) new Avalon-GUIs skinnable out-of-the-box. How can that be a bad thing? (Granted that we will now be swamped by people doing insane GUIs like never before)
:-)
This developer/designer split allows me as a programmer to focus on writing the actual logic code. The designer can then change the GUI-layout at will, without having to involve me in the process at all.
These tools, as far as I saw them presented at the PDC, seem like a good help in that direction. XAML seems very sweet, Avalon looks awesome. I tell you, my friends, this stuff does not suck.
Now, we can return to our scheduled programming of bashing at the Redmond Beast with all the might we care to summon.
Oh, so YOU'RE the SlashDot reader who've had sex?? ;-)
Anyway, it says that 94% of all people questioned gave their pet's name. I'm sorry, I don't buy that 94% of the population have a pet. They didn't sell THAT well:
http://oldcomputers.net/pet2001.html
It's hard to tell from that Apple page what tests they ran on Quake3 Arena.
However, Tom's Hardware ran Q3Arena on a P4 3.0GHz/Radeon9700Pro at 1024x768/32Bit and the
result was 402.9 FPS and not 275 FPS as on the Apple page.
The Tom's Hardware review is available Here
In the English language article, the levy tax is said to be set to ~$4 on blank CD-Rs. This isn't true. As much as I hate to "defend" this new ridiculous law, the suggestion is to impose a levy tax of 0.25 Swedish "cents" per Megabyte of storage space on the media. (one Swedish "cent" being ~ 0.11 US cents.) So the levy tax on blank CD-Rs will be 0.25*700*0.01 SEK, totalling 1.75 SEK, or less than a quarter in US coinage.
;-)
/Switz
I spent some time yesterday reading through the damn suggestion and it's filled with weird stuff. For instance, it will still be legal to create "fair use" copies, for your car CD player, etc. BUT, it's illegal to produce or sell software that hacks the copy protection scheme on CDs and DVDs...BUT I still have the legal right to make personal copies.. So, HOW DO I DO THAT, THEN, My DEAR GOVERNMENT??? If I have a legal right to make copies of a CD for my own use, will the Government aid me in suing the record companies that put out copy protected CDs?
I suppose they won't.
So, Yeah, the initial reaction at work yesterday was "Welcome to the DDR". Fsck.
"Your results appear to have been obtained using proprietary technology within the so-called Linux Unix operating system. Please cease and desist using SCO's Intellectual Property without obtaining a licence. All your Quark-Gluon Plasma are belong to us."