Personally, I just don't understand the appeal of text messaging
Text messaging is a way to communicate off-line much like email and very much
unlike talking over the phone. BTW, if you calculate it, you realize how
absurdly high the price of SMS bandwidth is.
I'm an admin for a large national law firm in the US. ...[snip]...
I see no reason to upgrade in the remotely foreseaable future...
It's the end of life triger MS has on their products. Tick-tack tick-tack
BOOM. They could have called Win2k -> WinNT 5.0, Win2003 -> WinNT 6.0 and so
and then, who would have believed they "had" to upgrade? I mean in Linux terms
these new "products" would be plain kernel and programs upgrade. MS excells in
marketing and pricing. I bet MS people are already thinking how to call some
future release of their WinNT distro. Besides Longhorn (if that ever comes)
there will be a stripped down Windows for the man in the street.
So if you knew even a small part of the lyrics, you should be OK.
You know, since a couple of years I have this tune in my head. It's a
tunes from "The Incredible Toon Machine". The lyrics go like "ta ta ta
tata, ta ta tata, ta ta tata ta tata ta tata, tatata tata taa...". It's a
classical tune, probably from Paganini... Nice melody but no lyrics:(
They probably refuse reading slashdot because it isn't in one of the Francophone
languages and because slashdot should actually be called
"estafiladepoint".
Laugh! It's -supposed to be- funny. Credits to Babel Fish.
Disclaimer: I don't mean to be patronizing but the comments I offer may sound
harsh. Think of me an old fart but try to grasp something from the old fart.
I disagree. Completely. It's in the general interest of everyone for the app writers and the distros to work together...the goal, after all, is for the end user to get patches quickly, effectively, and *before* there's an exploit. A lot of the distros have central patch distribution systems...these systems are the best way to get patches to the end user for that distro.
This the typical geek-way of thinking. Love, peace, happiness, the age of
Aquarius, people uniting, communicating, hugging etc... This is what I used to
think when I was younger -geek I still am. Communicating and cooperating is
very good but overdoing it almost always leads to inefficient processes. How
do you expect dozens of distros to remain in close contact with Mozilla
and with all other applications in the distros? You'll wind up with
loads and loads of "coordinators" that walk around carrying briefcases
and feeling important -the kind of people we geeks tend to loath. I see this
every day in places where responsibilities are divided/assigned badly.
And, extrapolating until absurdity: Did it occur to you that end users are
also part in the whole patch distribution. Should they also have a voice in
the upgrade get-together?
Distros want to distribute Mozilla products? Fine, they'll have the
responsibility -and hopefully the decency-to watch for (security) updates
from Mozilla.
Mozilla discovers a problem and patches it as soon as it can and by
point 1. the patch is distributed in the shortest time possible.
The organizations behind Linux distros and large applications like Mozilla
tend to be large (and yes, I know how "large" the Slackware
organization is) and therefor a challenge to manage. Don't expect these busy
people to engage in time consuming coordination teams/fora/tea parties.
If an app releases a bug fix without working with the distro, it leaves the
end user there to get screwed..
The end user really gets screwed if the release of a security patch is delayed
by over-organization.
If they hold on to fixes until all the distros are ready, they get beat up for slow patch times compared to MS. If they release immediately, they get beat up by the distros for not coordinating with them.
NO! Mozilla is responsible for its own releases and security updates and not for
the distros'. Mozilla isn't there to make the life of Linux distros easy. The
Linux distros must make security patches available ASAP.
Apart from the new technological possibilities offered by cheap diamonds,
there are significant positive social implications as well. Maybe some
day the bloody diamond-money funded wars will be over. Another big social
innovative thing will be cheap and clean hydrogen energy. But who knows
what de Beers and the oil corporations have up their sleeves that will
screw us all (well, mainly those in Africa and in the middle-east).
I've still only filled mine with about 14MB of stuff, it's growing far faster than I can fill it.
A bit OT but anyway. IMHO gmail's way of organizing email is the key in
keeping my account clean.
getting wet for electronic devices is a dangerous thing
Children I have t warn you. Never use toys from fuckingmachines.com when
submerged. Read the holy bible in stead!
Lemme see how long before the puritan moderators kills me.
I am Dutch, and I can tell you you are right: I indeed don't believe you. AFAIK, your statement on TV schedules was true until a couple of years ago, but no longer.
I'm still not fully convinced that the TV schedule regulation has been
loosened. Sure, there is tvgids.nl which offers TV schedules. But it has
one major limitation in that you only find programs in the time frame
between "yesterday" and "the day after tomorrow". (How are you supposed to plan your life for the week?;) Also, the dutch newspaper "De Telegraaf" is most interested in publicizing TV schedules but there isn't
a word about it on their site.
Not that I am really interested in TV schedules anyway. Dutch TV is just like US TV: hundreds of channels and everything sucks.
It's usually the public broadcasting associations that produce some kind of
quality. The VPRO produces highly regarded programs. VARA also isn't that
bad, followed by KRO, NCRV and EO (although with the latter you have to
"watch" around JC a lot [In.nl, JC firstly is an abbreviation for Johan
Cruijff and then for Jesus Christ. I refer to the latter.]).
I have tried TV in many different countries. Dutch TV isn't the BBC but it
isn't as bad as Italian (except for the "letterine" chicks) or German and Swiss
TV (both bore your pants off).
I'm not kidding you with what's to come. Honestly!
I bet you don't believe me when I tell you that in the Netherlands the TV
schedules of public channels may not be published more than a couple of days
ahead by bodies other than the broadcasting associations.
In the Netherlands, public broadcasting associations -representing various
groups in society- are allowed to broadcast over the public TV networks. These
associations -which are largely payed by tax money- collectively own the rights
to the broadcasting schedules. They go to war with anyone trying to publicize
these silly schedules. And they win each time.
On the one side sharing the considerable wealth of scientific research and on
the other hand being tightfisted about profanities like TV schedules is what
the dutch themselves call a "grocery's mentality."
That's the guy that did all them fanciful designs for Radio Shack and Realistic back in the 70ies en 80ies. I say the evidence is clear enough. I finally have the honor and pleasure of seeing him. Thanks for the flashlights!
I'm amazed at how many people seem to know the Netherlands's neighbors are
Germany and Belgium. On a predominantly USA forum I'd expect to hear
neighboring countries like the Czech republic, Andorra or Reykjavik (which
is a city.)
Yes, but given that most things have to accept coins *and* bills, wouldn't it make more sense to replace low-denomination bills with coins?
Visit somewhere in Europe and see how it makes sense.
The fact is that northern Europeans like 1EUR coins and southern
Europeans don't. Allegedly Italian (men) dislike coins because they
cause their wallets to bulge and make their pants inelegant. The
Italian are the best dressed people in the world so they care. But
we're on/. so you probably wouldn't understand the word elegance
outside a coding style context;)
The odd thing is that most Italians are poor moneyless cheap
bastards so I see a contradiction in terms... Anyway.
Before you moderate "-3 Insulting" you should know I'm Italian so
I have a right to make these statements -although I should refrain from
them.
Are you unemployed, working only in academia, or just trolling?
I'm not trolling and (still) doing very well thank you very much.
If you really want to know, I have worked for large to huge organizations
including a university, an academic hospital, a multinational and quite
a few large to very large banks.
Although there are many roles inside these kinds of institutions, most users
tend to need to be member of two to ten different groups. Most of the times,
you could put all users and groups in NIS(+) and define access policies with
that. It takes a bit of hard thinking about simple things to keep the group
definition ordered but it sure is possible.
However, the large organizations I've seen never took a unified approach
towards user access management and mostly ran many small clusters of *nix,
Win* or MacOS* systems.
You shouldn't take me wrong. I think ACLs or policy rules are OK in certain
areas but for most micro to mini system they are overkill. Maybe (very likely)
outfits like FBI, NSA or the army need more sophistication in access control
and I dare say that there ACLs are probably overshadowed by encryption based
access schemes.
Now you tell us, who really needs ACLs on micro to mini systems? Have you
ever needed ACLs?
PS: You forgot RACF in your list of better solutions.
People that spout crap like "But I'd like to exclude one specific user" or
"more than one group is allowed to access this file" just don't get the
point of grouping. Sure, you sometimes just need complex access policies,
but those rules almost always apply to information systems where the access
rules are easily put in a database. You don't need ACLs in operating system
file systems. I'd say current MS' access policy is written up by a failed
techie that way promised a middle-management job and fell for the evil trap.
>I would pay money to (say EUR200 / year ) Well, that one's easy: Just pay your TV licensing fee.
Yes, that's easy and I have given it serious thought. The thing is I already
pay a (compulsory) Swiss TV licensing fee of CHF450.35 (EUR300) per year for
programs my family and I don't watch. (CH has an impressive amount of crap TV.)
I think you agree with me that a total of (say) EUR500 per year for TV
licenses is a lot. Probably (very likely) I'd be a single puristic fool to do so, with no
significant effect.
Besides that, of the CHF450.35 I currently pay, a certain amount already goes to
the BBC for programs CH TV buys from them. (In the end the BBC is still the best
TV content provider on the globe.) Not as much as I'd like but still a bit. So
I'm not completely looting the UK and it inhabitants and I don't feel too guilty
about not paying the beeb TV licensing fee.
IMO we currently have the tools to measure exactly how many people watch a certain
program. These tools can be used to reward public program makers in a fair way.
There should remain mechanisms to prevent minority groups from being killed
completely by low viewing statistics.
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Personally, I just don't understand the appeal of text messaging
Text messaging is a way to communicate off-line much like email and very much unlike talking over the phone. BTW, if you calculate it, you realize how absurdly high the price of SMS bandwidth is.
I'm an admin for a large national law firm in the US.
...[snip]...
I see no reason to upgrade in the remotely foreseaable future...
It's the end of life triger MS has on their products. Tick-tack tick-tack BOOM. They could have called Win2k -> WinNT 5.0, Win2003 -> WinNT 6.0 and so and then, who would have believed they "had" to upgrade? I mean in Linux terms these new "products" would be plain kernel and programs upgrade. MS excells in marketing and pricing. I bet MS people are already thinking how to call some future release of their WinNT distro. Besides Longhorn (if that ever comes) there will be a stripped down Windows for the man in the street.
Why is it called a disc drive if it's based on flash memory? :)
;)
Er.. Because they're out to get ya?
So if you knew even a small part of the lyrics, you should be OK. :(
You know, since a couple of years I have this tune in my head. It's a tunes from "The Incredible Toon Machine". The lyrics go like "ta ta ta tata, ta ta tata, ta ta tata ta tata ta tata, tatata tata taa...". It's a classical tune, probably from Paganini... Nice melody but no lyrics
Just don't expect too much from Ms. Neelie Kroes. She has a questionable track record with respect to fair competition. If you speak dutch.
They probably refuse reading slashdot because it isn't in one of the Francophone languages and because slashdot should actually be called "estafiladepoint" .
Laugh! It's -supposed to be- funny. Credits to Babel Fish.
I disagree. Completely. It's in the general interest of everyone for the app writers and the distros to work together...the goal, after all, is for the end user to get patches quickly, effectively, and *before* there's an exploit. A lot of the distros have central patch distribution systems...these systems are the best way to get patches to the end user for that distro.
This the typical geek-way of thinking. Love, peace, happiness, the age of Aquarius, people uniting, communicating, hugging etc... This is what I used to think when I was younger -geek I still am. Communicating and cooperating is very good but overdoing it almost always leads to inefficient processes. How do you expect dozens of distros to remain in close contact with Mozilla and with all other applications in the distros? You'll wind up with loads and loads of "coordinators" that walk around carrying briefcases and feeling important -the kind of people we geeks tend to loath. I see this every day in places where responsibilities are divided/assigned badly.
And, extrapolating until absurdity: Did it occur to you that end users are also part in the whole patch distribution. Should they also have a voice in the upgrade get-together?
The organizations behind Linux distros and large applications like Mozilla tend to be large (and yes, I know how "large" the Slackware organization is) and therefor a challenge to manage. Don't expect these busy people to engage in time consuming coordination teams/fora/tea parties.
If an app releases a bug fix without working with the distro, it leaves the end user there to get screwed..
The end user really gets screwed if the release of a security patch is delayed by over-organization.
If they hold on to fixes until all the distros are ready, they get beat up for slow patch times compared to MS. If they release immediately, they get beat up by the distros for not coordinating with them.
NO! Mozilla is responsible for its own releases and security updates and not for the distros'. Mozilla isn't there to make the life of Linux distros easy. The Linux distros must make security patches available ASAP.
Apart from the new technological possibilities offered by cheap diamonds, there are significant positive social implications as well. Maybe some day the bloody diamond-money funded wars will be over. Another big social innovative thing will be cheap and clean hydrogen energy. But who knows what de Beers and the oil corporations have up their sleeves that will screw us all (well, mainly those in Africa and in the middle-east).
I've still only filled mine with about 14MB of stuff, it's growing far faster than I can fill it.
A bit OT but anyway. IMHO gmail's way of organizing email is the key in keeping my account clean.
getting wet for electronic devices is a dangerous thing
Children I have t warn you. Never use toys from fuckingmachines.com when submerged. Read the holy bible in stead!
Lemme see how long before the puritan moderators kills me.
I am Dutch, and I can tell you you are right: I indeed don't believe you. AFAIK, your statement on TV schedules was true until a couple of years ago, but no longer. ;) Also, the dutch newspaper "De Telegraaf" is most interested in publicizing TV schedules but there isn't
a word about it on their site.
.nl, JC firstly is an abbreviation for Johan
Cruijff and then for Jesus Christ. I refer to the latter.]).
I'm still not fully convinced that the TV schedule regulation has been loosened. Sure, there is tvgids.nl which offers TV schedules. But it has one major limitation in that you only find programs in the time frame between "yesterday" and "the day after tomorrow". (How are you supposed to plan your life for the week?
Not that I am really interested in TV schedules anyway. Dutch TV is just like US TV: hundreds of channels and everything sucks.
It's usually the public broadcasting associations that produce some kind of quality. The VPRO produces highly regarded programs. VARA also isn't that bad, followed by KRO, NCRV and EO (although with the latter you have to "watch" around JC a lot [In
I have tried TV in many different countries. Dutch TV isn't the BBC but it isn't as bad as Italian (except for the "letterine" chicks) or German and Swiss TV (both bore your pants off).
I'm not kidding you with what's to come. Honestly!
I bet you don't believe me when I tell you that in the Netherlands the TV schedules of public channels may not be published more than a couple of days ahead by bodies other than the broadcasting associations.
In the Netherlands, public broadcasting associations -representing various groups in society- are allowed to broadcast over the public TV networks. These associations -which are largely payed by tax money- collectively own the rights to the broadcasting schedules. They go to war with anyone trying to publicize these silly schedules. And they win each time.
On the one side sharing the considerable wealth of scientific research and on the other hand being tightfisted about profanities like TV schedules is what the dutch themselves call a "grocery's mentality."
I'm not dutch but I know the country pretty well.
That's the guy that did all them fanciful designs for Radio Shack and Realistic back in the 70ies en 80ies. I say the evidence is clear enough. I finally have the honor and pleasure of seeing him. Thanks for the flashlights!
Men = 10% gay. Women = 1% gay.
So I conclude that we -the male- are the most attractive sex! (and without having to use makeup wow)
...while Google's free Picasa will meet the everyday needs of most consumers. :(
But only runs on Win32/IE 5+...
I'm amazed at how many people seem to know the Netherlands's neighbors are Germany and Belgium. On a predominantly USA forum I'd expect to hear neighboring countries like the Czech republic, Andorra or Reykjavik (which is a city.)
Ghostscript brother will be Hetro ... We'll have to get used to stuff like htr resume.mtr ... And http://ilga.org/ will sue.
You say "Due to a particular infrastructure need"
;)
I/we read "Damn them memory leaks!"
Yes, but given that most things have to accept coins *and* bills, wouldn't it make more sense to replace low-denomination bills with coins?
/. so you probably wouldn't understand the word elegance
outside a coding style context ;)
The odd thing is that most Italians are poor moneyless cheap
bastards so I see a contradiction in terms... Anyway.
Visit somewhere in Europe and see how it makes sense.
The fact is that northern Europeans like 1EUR coins and southern Europeans don't. Allegedly Italian (men) dislike coins because they cause their wallets to bulge and make their pants inelegant. The Italian are the best dressed people in the world so they care. But we're on
Before you moderate "-3 Insulting" you should know I'm Italian so I have a right to make these statements -although I should refrain from them.
Are you unemployed, working only in academia, or just trolling?
I'm not trolling and (still) doing very well thank you very much.
If you really want to know, I have worked for large to huge organizations including a university, an academic hospital, a multinational and quite a few large to very large banks.
Although there are many roles inside these kinds of institutions, most users tend to need to be member of two to ten different groups. Most of the times, you could put all users and groups in NIS(+) and define access policies with that. It takes a bit of hard thinking about simple things to keep the group definition ordered but it sure is possible.
However, the large organizations I've seen never took a unified approach towards user access management and mostly ran many small clusters of *nix, Win* or MacOS* systems.
You shouldn't take me wrong. I think ACLs or policy rules are OK in certain areas but for most micro to mini system they are overkill. Maybe (very likely) outfits like FBI, NSA or the army need more sophistication in access control and I dare say that there ACLs are probably overshadowed by encryption based access schemes.
Now you tell us, who really needs ACLs on micro to mini systems? Have you ever needed ACLs?
PS: You forgot RACF in your list of better solutions.
People that spout crap like "But I'd like to exclude one specific user" or "more than one group is allowed to access this file" just don't get the point of grouping. Sure, you sometimes just need complex access policies, but those rules almost always apply to information systems where the access rules are easily put in a database. You don't need ACLs in operating system file systems. I'd say current MS' access policy is written up by a failed techie that way promised a middle-management job and fell for the evil trap.
I spent yesterday afternoon farting about with a Air Hogs Firestormer. The plane makes a faring noise which adds to the fun we had!
2k ... 2k4 was a small turnaound
Presumably you mean to express 2004 with 2k4. Well, 2k4 actually means 2400. There doesn't seem to be a shorter way to write 2004 that to write 2004.
>I would pay money to (say EUR200 / year )
Well, that one's easy: Just pay your TV licensing fee.
Yes, that's easy and I have given it serious thought. The thing is I already pay a (compulsory) Swiss TV licensing fee of CHF450.35 (EUR300) per year for programs my family and I don't watch. (CH has an impressive amount of crap TV.)
I think you agree with me that a total of (say) EUR500 per year for TV licenses is a lot. Probably (very likely) I'd be a single puristic fool to do so, with no significant effect.
Besides that, of the CHF450.35 I currently pay, a certain amount already goes to the BBC for programs CH TV buys from them. (In the end the BBC is still the best TV content provider on the globe.) Not as much as I'd like but still a bit. So I'm not completely looting the UK and it inhabitants and I don't feel too guilty about not paying the beeb TV licensing fee.
IMO we currently have the tools to measure exactly how many people watch a certain program. These tools can be used to reward public program makers in a fair way. There should remain mechanisms to prevent minority groups from being killed completely by low viewing statistics.