Aaah, OK. I only know a little about J9, and to be honest, I thought it was J2ME only or something. The only talk I ever heard about it around IBM, seemed to be relative to pervasive computing and embedding it in devices and such.
So it's a full-blown J2SE implementation then? If so, that's cool. Maybe IBM will wind up contributing some or all of it to the OSS world. That would be nice.
{Hibachi 2 is offered on a usage-only licence; the IOCCC-winning version is in the Public Domain. I am not quite sure how this can work, as it is my understanding that all derivative works of a work already in the Public Domain must also be in the Public Domain. But maybe the non-Free version was a derivative of a still-copyrighted predecessor of the PD version.}
IANAL, but my understanding is that if something is in the public domain, that means you can do anything you want with it. Including making a few changes, slapping the license of your choice on it, and releasing it. I don't think there's any requirement that a derivative work of something PD must stay PD.
Free (at least basic) college education for every citizen
We already have that, for all practical purposes. A Pell Grant will easily pay for an education at a community college, and is very easy to get, for those who are too poor to afford it our of pocket, or who don't get scholarships.
There are bigger problems than just paying tuition though. Single parents who work, don't have time for classes. Poor folks without transportation to and from campus cannot attend because they can't get there. Single parents may not be able to afford a babysitter to watch the kid, even if they find time for class. Even excluding "poor" folks, single parents, etc... anybody who works for a living and puts in a 40 hour workweek is going to find it tough to dedicate the time to go get a college education, even if it's paid for.
Sure some will do it (I know from experience), but some people just aren't interested, are too lazy, or have some other reason for not pursuing education.
and before somebody accuses me of being a hypocrite for promoting Pell Grants as a Libertarian... all I can say is that you have to be pragmatic and play the cards your dealt. Right now, they're available, so I think anyone who wants and education and can't afford it, should take advantage of the program. Yes, I think there are better ways to fund education than through federal redistribution of tax dollars, but the topic at hand is what's going on right now, not libertarian ideology.
A huge part of the problem is the way we compensate employees in the US. Engineers simply are not paid as well as they should be, and executives and managers are over paid. This creates a dis-incentive to enter engineering, or at least creates an incentive to view moving out of engineering and into management as "advancement."
US companies need desparately to eliminate the artificial ceiling on the advancement of pay for engineers. IBM has made some small efforts in that direction by creating the "Distinguished Engineer" title, so that highly skilled engineers can be "promoted" and paid more, without being forced into management. A few other companies have similar initiatives, but that's not nearly enough.
If we want to attract workers to high tech fields, we have to give them a reason to want to do so. And quit wasting multi-million dollar salaries and millions of dollars of bonuses on inept CEOs like Carly Fiorina.
When a lead story on one of the most popular news sites for US geeks concerns Nerdcore Rap, then yeah, I'd say the US has lost it.
US geeks have been pwn3d. Even Fortune magazine is running a story in this month's issue, with "Uncle Sam" on the cover, portrayed as a 97 lb weakling, getting kicked around by China (ala those old Charles Atlas ads that used to run in the backs of comic books).
You mean both Classpath and Kaffe will be relicensed under the APL?
I don't think that's a "given" at this point, but some of the people who are involved with both Classpath and Kaffe, have expressed support for, and interest in, Harmony. Whether that will extend to those projects actually offering their code to Harmony or not, is still up in the air, AFAIK.
IBM already has a complete JDK which actually used to be much better than Sun's in terms of efficiency etc. (not sure how it compares right now). They could just release the whole thing as F/OSS under the new JCP rules, and create Harmony overnight. Why have they not done this yet?
Because IBM's JDK wasn't written from scratch. It's based, to some degree, on Sun's code. I don't know how much Sun code is in IBM's JDK, or the exact details of the license between Sun and IBM, but I know IBM's JDK is subject to Sun licensing.
Hopefully it won't take violence, but if it comes to that, then yes. All the talk about hunting rifles v. assault rifles is insignificant. "We The People" outnumber the standing military of the United States by millions and millions of people. If enough of us decide we're tired of having our freedoms taken away, we're completely capable of taking them back.
The trick is getting enough people to care, to do something about it.
Is anyone really supprised by this move? We need to start getting ready to exercise the second ammendment.
Preach it, brother, preach it. These greed, power-hungry, corrupt, bastards in Washington DC are going to keep pushing, and pushing, until one day the American people are going to rise up and say "Enough."
The tipping point is approaching and the day is drawing nigh when "We The People" WILL take action so that this country can honestly be called a Free Country again... I am as sure of this as I am that the sun will rise tomorrow.
Some people in this discussion might be interested to know that there is a project underway to create a "from scratch" clone of OS/2, under an open-source license.
I'm not a big graphics guy myself (I'm more interested in AI, Distributed Computing and Software Engineering) so I can't really comment in much depth on what kind of stuff they're doing. But I know that they have a strong reputation as a good school for the folks who want to do research that's graphics and visualization related.
TFA said she was new and unfamiliar with the systems... I say they should fire her immediate supervisor, or whoever determined she was ready to start processing orders on the unfamiliar system.
After all, it was their error in judgement which put her in a situation where her lack of training could cause something like this.
That's Amazon's way of figuring out what I like. Nice try but they are wrong. Needless to say I don't trust their recommendations.
Maybe the sample-size was just too small for them to make good recommendations? Have you bought other DVDs from Amazon?
Anyway, while I find this patent abhorrent, I will say that Amazon's recommendations are usually spot-on for me. At any given time, if I check my book or CD recommendations, the first couple of pages will almost always be full of stuff that I'd really like to have (or already own, but didn't buy from Amazon). I don't wind up making a lot of purchases because of their recommendations, but they're usually pretty damn accurate, FWIW.
This of course, meant that Java got used for everything -- including the presentation layer of web applications where it is ridiculous. It took at over 5 years and Google's "revolutionary AJAX" to get people to start paying attention to Javascript/DHTML again.
And all of this Javascript / DHTML is going to be generated and served how? Sure, it can be done by any platform, but Java has great support (via servlets and JSPs) for HTTP interation of this nature, so don't expect Java to disappear for that use.
And the Web Services that the AJAX Javascript will be invoking? Where will those come from? Sure, it can be done by any platform, but Java has great support (via Servlets + WebService Endpoints, and/or Axis ) for SOAP interation of this nature, so don't expect Java to disappear for that use.
The increase in popularity of AJAX has almost nil to do with whether or not Java remains popular. If anything, AJAX may promote Java.
If I'd been born in an age without what we call "technology" today, I would probably have been either a thief, or some sort of occultist.
Thievery involves something like hacking, eg, learning to "hack" locks and other security systems, etc. Think a medieval version of "Oceans 11," that would of been the kind of shit that I would have liked.
Or I would have been off somewhere trying to learn about magic, the occult, astrology, alchemy, etc. Actually I'm a little bit interested in some of that stuff even living in modern times.
Of course those two things aren't mutually exclusive, so maybe I'd have been involved in both.
This whole discussion reminds me, I need to go order that set of lockpicks I've been jonesing after....
Given the wording of the 5th Amendment, it's hardly clear that it affirmatively establishes eminment domain. And even if it does, that only proves that the Constitution is a flawed document, which is something we already knew anyway.
They didn't specifically give up a right to change how they seized land for public use.
You're operating under the flawed assumption that the states *had* a "right" to seize land in the first place.
Little thing called the 10th Amendment.
An amendment which states that rights not granted to the Federal government are reserved for the States, OR the people. That hardly gives the States carte blanche to do whatever they want, under Federal law. "We the People" have some say so.
One possibility is to use the system to destroy itself. Hordes of/.'ers filing patents on every trivial thing in the universe, causing the system to grind to a halt.
The only problem with that is the expense. Even if you do the work youself without hiring a patent attorney, the filing fees are fairly steep. Last time I checked, I believe it was somewhere around $700.00 to file for a patent.
There's also a sort of "preliminary" patent that costs a little less to file for, but it's still in the hundreds of dollars, IIRC.
Firstly, the fifth amendment, AMENDED the Constitution. Therefore, it is internally consistent.
I will allow that there are apparently valid arguments that the 5th Amendment can be interpreted the way you state. However, it is still my belief that this creates an internal inconsistency. In every other regard, the Constitution carefully enumerates the exact powers granted to the government, and the Bill of Rights is, in every other regard - to the best of my knowledge - a statement of restrictions on the power that may be exercised by the government.
To suppose that the Framers intended to completely blow away the idea of private property ownership with that little blurb at the end of the 5th Amendment does not seem likely.
And regardless of their intent (and we all know that arguing over the intent of the Framers is basically a waste of time anyway) I stand by my assertion:
any individual who has his property siezed under "eminent domain" is well within his/her rights to take up arms and defend their property against an act of unauthorized aggression.
You can consider that extreme if you like, your opinion is irrelevant to me in that regard. The Constitution, as nice a document as it is, is simply a document. To the extent that it creates a form of goverment that more or less serves to protect my rights, I'm willing to live with it's doctrines. However, I acknowledge no dominion over myself or any other sovereign individual, by the United States, or any other organization, regardless of what documents they may possess. I did not sign the Constitution, I had no part in it's formation or ratification, and I am not bound to accept it as governing my life.
Ideally, this would be true if markets functioned efficiently. But they don't. Your example of a property owner asking for $10 gazillion is an example of a market failure.
Hardly. The market is what it is. If $10 gazillion dollars is too much, then you are free to go elsewhere to build your road, school, developent, shopping center, or whatever.
Adam Smith understood that the free market needed some government regulation to avoid market failures.
Yes, I used to think that way as well. Don't worry, you'll grow out of it.
Why should society be punished for this type of market failure?
Who's punishing society? Who *is* society for that matter? Society is simply an abstraction, a convenient label we use to represent a vague idea. Society does not exist in any meaningful sense, and certainly does not have rights. The individuals who happen to compose a given society have rights, but the society has none. And certainly a "society" has no valid claim to violate the rights of another individual. It doesn't matter whether your robbed by one person or 284 million, if you're robbed, you're robbed.
This is why we have eminent domain and a provistion for just compensation.
"just compensation" would be whatever price the market will bear. If we relied strictly on free negotation and true "just compensation" we wouldn't be having any discussion of "eminent domain" in the first place.
To promote the general welfare (Preamble).
Oh please, that statement is so vague as to be completely meaningless. Appeals to the general welfare clause will be routed to/dev/null.
Arguing that the government does not have the right to take property ignores 200+ years of history and case law and the entire purpose of the fifth amendment.
I'm sorry, but "it's always been done that way" is never a valid justification for anything. If we all practiced that kind of thinking, then blacks would still be owned by whites.
It is a silly and baseless argument./i.
What is silly and baseless is to presume that our governments have *any* rights at all! All they have is a limited list of powers that "We the People" have loaned them, as a matter of convenience. Governments have no intrinsic right or authority whatsoever.
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Aaah, OK. I only know a little about J9, and to be honest, I thought it was J2ME only or something. The only talk I ever heard about it around IBM, seemed to be relative to pervasive computing and embedding it in devices and such.
So it's a full-blown J2SE implementation then? If so, that's cool. Maybe IBM will wind up contributing some or all of it to the OSS world. That would be nice.
{Hibachi 2 is offered on a usage-only licence; the IOCCC-winning version is in the Public Domain. I am not quite sure how this can work, as it is my understanding that all derivative works of a work already in the Public Domain must also be in the Public Domain. But maybe the non-Free version was a derivative of a still-copyrighted predecessor of the PD version.}
IANAL, but my understanding is that if something is in the public domain, that means you can do anything you want with it. Including making a few changes, slapping the license of your choice on it, and releasing it. I don't think there's any requirement that a derivative work of something PD must stay PD.
Free (at least basic) college education for every citizen
We already have that, for all practical purposes. A Pell Grant will easily pay for an education at a community college, and is very easy to get, for those who are too poor to afford it our of pocket, or who don't get scholarships.
There are bigger problems than just paying tuition though. Single parents who work, don't have time for classes. Poor folks without transportation to and from campus cannot attend because they can't get there. Single parents may not be able to afford a babysitter to watch the kid, even if they find time for class. Even excluding "poor" folks, single parents, etc... anybody who works for a living and puts in a 40 hour workweek is going to find it tough to dedicate the time to go get a college education, even if it's paid for.
Sure some will do it (I know from experience), but some people just aren't interested, are too lazy, or have some other reason for not pursuing education.
and before somebody accuses me of being a hypocrite for promoting Pell Grants as a Libertarian... all I can say is that you have to be pragmatic and play the cards your dealt. Right now, they're available, so I think anyone who wants and education and can't afford it, should take advantage of the program. Yes, I think there are better ways to fund education than through federal redistribution of tax dollars, but the topic at hand is what's going on right now, not libertarian ideology.
A huge part of the problem is the way we compensate employees in the US. Engineers simply are not paid as well as they should be, and executives and managers are over paid. This creates a dis-incentive to enter engineering, or at least creates an incentive to view moving out of engineering and into management as "advancement."
US companies need desparately to eliminate the artificial ceiling on the advancement of pay for engineers. IBM has made some small efforts in that direction by creating the "Distinguished Engineer" title, so that highly skilled engineers can be "promoted" and paid more, without being forced into management. A few other companies have similar initiatives, but that's not nearly enough.
If we want to attract workers to high tech fields, we have to give them a reason to want to do so. And quit wasting multi-million dollar salaries and millions of dollars of bonuses on inept CEOs like Carly Fiorina.
When a lead story on one of the most popular news sites for US geeks concerns Nerdcore Rap, then yeah, I'd say the US has lost it.
US geeks have been pwn3d. Even Fortune magazine is running a story in this month's issue, with "Uncle Sam" on the cover, portrayed as a 97 lb weakling, getting kicked around by China (ala those old Charles Atlas ads that used to run in the backs of comic books).
You have a telnet connection, not a web-based interface that IT can track every click on.
It would be pretty easy for IT to sniff the telnet packets off the wire and analyze / trace them.
I wonder, are (any | most | all ) MUD's supporting SSH these days, or no?
You mean both Classpath and Kaffe will be relicensed under the APL?
I don't think that's a "given" at this point, but some of the people who are involved with both Classpath and Kaffe, have expressed support for, and interest in, Harmony. Whether that will extend to those projects actually offering their code to Harmony or not, is still up in the air, AFAIK.
IBM already has a complete JDK which actually used to be much better than Sun's in terms of efficiency etc. (not sure how it compares right now). They could just release the whole thing as F/OSS under the new JCP rules, and create Harmony overnight. Why have they not done this yet?
Because IBM's JDK wasn't written from scratch. It's based, to some degree, on Sun's code. I don't know how much Sun code is in IBM's JDK, or the exact details of the license between Sun and IBM, but I know IBM's JDK is subject to Sun licensing.
Hopefully it won't take violence, but if it comes to that, then yes. All the talk about hunting rifles v. assault rifles is insignificant. "We The People" outnumber the standing military of the United States by millions and millions of people. If enough of us decide we're tired of having our freedoms taken away, we're completely capable of taking them back.
The trick is getting enough people to care, to do something about it.
How much freedom are we willing to give up to feel safe?'"
Speaking for myself: NOT ONE BLOODY BIT!
"Live Free or Die" is not just a cute soundbite, ya know...
Is anyone really supprised by this move? We need to start getting ready to exercise the second ammendment.
Preach it, brother, preach it. These greed, power-hungry, corrupt, bastards in Washington DC are going to keep pushing, and pushing, until one day the American people are going to rise up and say "Enough."
The tipping point is approaching and the day is drawing nigh when "We The People" WILL take action so that this country can honestly be called a Free Country again... I am as sure of this as I am that the sun will rise tomorrow.
Keep the faith, freedom lovers, keep the faith.
it just got brutally anal-raped with no vaseline.
Take heart my friends, we WILL take our country back someday.
Some people in this discussion might be interested
to know that there is a project underway to create a "from scratch" clone of OS/2, under an open-source license.
See http://www.osfree.org/index.php for more details.
IBM research comes up with some stuff every now and again, as well.
this means that 1/3 of studies are paid for by Microsoft???
You might want to check out UNC - Chapel Hill. Their CS department has a strong bias towards graphics, visualization, virtual reality, etc.
Check the Department News Headlines and you'll see how a lot of the interesting stuff that comes out of UNC is graphics related. Likewise, look into their Major Research Areas page and you'll see Graphics and Image Analysis as one. Look at some of the stuff they're doing.
I'm not a big graphics guy myself (I'm more interested in AI, Distributed Computing and Software Engineering) so I can't really comment in much depth on what kind of stuff they're doing. But I know that they have a strong reputation as a good school for the folks who want to do research that's graphics and visualization related.
HTH.
TFA said she was new and unfamiliar with the systems... I say they should fire her immediate supervisor, or whoever determined she was ready to start processing orders on the unfamiliar system.
After all, it was their error in judgement which put her in a situation where her lack of training could cause something like this.
Anarchists are so CUTE. Cuddly and completely out of touch like a puppy.
LOL... Typical statist... full of pejoratives and ad-hominem attacks, but no thoughts of any substance.
That's Amazon's way of figuring out what I like. Nice try but they are wrong. Needless to say I don't trust their recommendations.
Maybe the sample-size was just too small for them to make good recommendations? Have you bought other DVDs from Amazon?
Anyway, while I find this patent abhorrent, I will say that Amazon's recommendations are usually spot-on for me. At any given time, if I check my book or CD recommendations, the first couple of pages will almost always be full of stuff that I'd really like to have (or already own, but didn't buy from Amazon). I don't wind up making a lot of purchases because of their recommendations, but they're usually pretty damn accurate, FWIW.
Anyway, that's just my experience...
This of course, meant that Java got used for everything -- including the presentation layer of web applications where it is ridiculous. It took at over 5 years and Google's "revolutionary AJAX" to get people to start paying attention to Javascript/DHTML again.
And all of this Javascript / DHTML is going to be generated and served how? Sure, it can be done by any platform, but Java has great support (via servlets and JSPs) for HTTP interation of this nature, so don't expect Java to disappear for that use.
And the Web Services that the AJAX Javascript will be invoking? Where will those come from? Sure, it can be done by any platform, but Java has great support (via Servlets + WebService Endpoints, and/or Axis ) for SOAP interation of this nature, so don't expect Java to disappear for that use.
The increase in popularity of AJAX has almost nil to do with whether or not Java remains popular. If anything, AJAX may promote Java.
If I'd been born in an age without what we call "technology" today, I would probably have been either a thief, or some sort of occultist.
Thievery involves something like hacking, eg, learning to "hack" locks and other security systems, etc. Think a medieval version of "Oceans 11," that would of been the kind of shit that I would have liked.
Or I would have been off somewhere trying to learn about magic, the occult, astrology, alchemy, etc. Actually I'm a little bit interested in some of that stuff even living in modern times.
Of course those two things aren't mutually exclusive, so maybe I'd have been involved in both.
This whole discussion reminds me, I need to go order that set of lockpicks I've been jonesing after....
Ok, I'll see your "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or one." and raise you a "bullshit."
Given the wording of the 5th Amendment, it's hardly clear that it affirmatively establishes eminment domain. And even if it does, that only proves that the Constitution is a flawed document, which is something we already knew anyway.
They didn't specifically give up a right to change how they seized land for public use.
You're operating under the flawed assumption that the states *had* a "right" to seize land in the first place.
Little thing called the 10th Amendment.
An amendment which states that rights not granted to the Federal government are reserved for the States, OR the people. That hardly gives the States carte blanche to do whatever they want, under Federal law. "We the People" have some say so.
Not too freaking hard to understand.
So one would think.
One possibility is to use the system to destroy itself. Hordes of /.'ers filing patents on every trivial thing in the universe, causing the system to grind to a halt.
The only problem with that is the expense. Even if you do the work youself without hiring a patent attorney, the filing fees are fairly steep. Last time I checked, I believe it was somewhere around $700.00 to file for a patent.
There's also a sort of "preliminary" patent that costs a little less to file for, but it's still in the hundreds of dollars, IIRC.
Firstly, the fifth amendment, AMENDED the Constitution. Therefore, it is internally consistent.
/dev/null.
I will allow that there are apparently valid arguments that the 5th Amendment can be interpreted the way you state. However, it is still my belief that this creates an internal inconsistency. In every other regard, the Constitution carefully enumerates the exact powers granted to the government, and the Bill of Rights is, in every other regard - to the best of my knowledge - a statement of restrictions on the power that may be exercised by the government.
To suppose that the Framers intended to completely blow away the idea of private property ownership with that little blurb at the end of the 5th Amendment does not seem likely.
And regardless of their intent (and we all know that arguing over the intent of the Framers is basically a waste of time anyway) I stand by my assertion:
any individual who has his property siezed under "eminent domain" is well within his/her rights to take up arms and defend their property against an act of unauthorized aggression.
You can consider that extreme if you like, your opinion is irrelevant to me in that regard. The Constitution, as nice a document as it is, is simply a document. To the extent that it creates a form of goverment that more or less serves to protect my rights, I'm willing to live with it's doctrines. However, I acknowledge no dominion over myself or any other sovereign individual, by the United States, or any other organization, regardless of what documents they may possess. I did not sign the Constitution, I had no part in it's formation or ratification, and I am not bound to accept it as governing my life.
Ideally, this would be true if markets functioned efficiently. But they don't. Your example of a property owner asking for $10 gazillion is an example of a market failure.
Hardly. The market is what it is. If $10 gazillion dollars is too much, then you are free to go elsewhere to build your road, school, developent, shopping center, or whatever.
Adam Smith understood that the free market needed some government regulation to avoid market failures.
Yes, I used to think that way as well. Don't worry, you'll grow out of it.
Why should society be punished for this type of market failure?
Who's punishing society? Who *is* society for that matter? Society is simply an abstraction, a convenient label we use to represent a vague idea. Society does not exist in any meaningful sense, and certainly does not have rights. The individuals who happen to compose a given society have rights, but the society has none. And certainly a "society" has no valid claim to violate the rights of another individual. It doesn't matter whether your robbed by one person or 284 million, if you're robbed, you're robbed.
This is why we have eminent domain and a provistion for just compensation.
"just compensation" would be whatever price the market will bear. If we relied strictly on free negotation and true "just compensation" we wouldn't be having any discussion of "eminent domain" in the first place.
To promote the general welfare (Preamble).
Oh please, that statement is so vague as to be completely meaningless. Appeals to the general welfare clause will be routed to
Arguing that the government does not have the right to take property ignores 200+ years of history and case law and the entire purpose of the fifth amendment.
I'm sorry, but "it's always been done that way" is never a valid justification for anything. If we all practiced that kind of thinking, then blacks would still be owned by whites.
It is a silly and baseless argument./i.
What is silly and baseless is to presume that our governments have *any* rights at all! All they have is a limited list of powers that "We the People" have loaned them, as a matter of convenience. Governments have no intrinsic right or authority whatsoever.