I lived through the '60s and '70s, through COINTELPRO [wikipedia.org], and through Wstergate [wikipedia.org]. Did you or were you too young, not born yet?
The police don't just randomly show up at places, to harrass people just for kicks. They are either called by someone or were already familiar with the group. The later of the two seems to be the case.
We've got nuts that protest the base were I'm at in the UK, because of all the "Nukes" we have here. About the most dangerous thing to your health on base is a Burger King. Believe me, we know who they are, where they live, what they look like, and when they are planning their next gig. They've been at it for a long time. It doesn't take a grand Police State conspiracy to know what these people are doing.
About the nastiest thing we've done to them in return is to park a SF truck with a spot light on their "freedom camp" every hour at night and whoop the siren for a second to make sure they don't cut the fence and sneek on base to spray paint or dent the planes with hammers.
If they ever decided to plan something beyond being just annoying, believe me they'd all be round up by the British police by the end of the day.
Sigh...I am sad for you. You are obviously an idiot, young, or both.
I'm just ammusing myself by antagonizing the easily antagonized, which is typically anyone under the age of 30 (even easier if they are in college, some intelligence combined with no real world experience).
I'm not a faggot I'm a conservative, hence not gay.
The rest of your comment makes little to no sense, but I will try to humor you.
Pining for the good ol'd days for me would be the eighties, so no, not pinning for the good ol days. I don't think I'll ever be able to live it down if my kids find those pictures of me sporting a mullet. I do still think about this one girl from school that used to be able to pull of this great jean jacket/ultra mini skirt/big hair look.
Unprovoked raid.:) Don't be naive. The police could get in a lot of trouble for doing such a thing, but at the same time when someone starts talking trouble the police are supposed to react as if they really meant it. They don't have a choice.
It's kind of like putting your hand in your jacket and then telling everyone you have a gun. You should not be surprised or upset when the police shoot you. You asked for it.
Again I'd like to point to my first comment being stated with SARCASM. Police pull a little raid and everyone here is running around screaming
"the Nazi's are coming! the Nazi's are coming!"
Hate to burst your bubble, but the Nazi's are not coming.
Compared to what the police used to do up until the late seventies. Those protesters hardly got a slap on the wrist.
You want to see some real oppression I suggest you visit some of the countries that are actually OUTSIDE the US sometime.
Now go brush your teeth and get into bed your mother is calling.
I believe in rights and I certainly believe in standing up for them. What I don't believe is in the big mob of people howling for blood everytime anyone has a convention with 100 different agendas. It get's old and is not productive. It also makes me question their motivation.
I also belive that anyone willing to take away the rights of others, should be delt with harshly, whether they be the police or in this case protesters seeking to disrupt someone else's assembly.
The liberals have never fought for anything other than their own power base, and have used every form of handout to try bribe the masses to get it. They do not have my right's or yours in mind that is for certain.
The ACLU has a grand past, but a fairly crummy present.
All the great civil rights activist are long gone. These people aren't fighting anymore for freedom, they are fighting just to fight.
I marched in college with the rest of them. I protested this, I protested that, I angrily argued about injustice. Then something happened one day years later after seeing the world and meeting many people from all walks of life. I realized something. That I was completely full of shit, and it was time to grow up.
Those people aren't fighting for my rights, they're doing something more akin to public masterbating. It may feel good for them, but all it does is irritate the rest of us.
So yeah I have little problem the police breaking them up. That hardly makes my an authoritarian fuckwit hypocrite.
Well I'm a bit of an authoritarian, I am in the military after all. I'm hardly a fuckwit, I'm working on my Master's degree. Not sure how I'm a hypocrite I don't recall saying anything that contradicted myself.
and I like hippies well enough, as long as they put down their protest signs and bathe.
Read some history there buck'o, you are betraying a level of ignorance that implies youth. Luckily that is fixable, if you aren't well I'm sorry there's no hope for you then.
First off people that pull of the gloves or at least threaten to should always be delt with in a manner that involves a punch in the teeth. That is what these groups do, and they got what they asked for.
Second off these people got a big fat nothing. The police handled them like little old ladies compared to the ways they used to deal with protesters. Again go read some history.
If this had been the sixties, they would be covered in their own blood after being beaten senseless and the odds of one or two them being dead would have been fairly high.
So what we had here was a bunch of people planning on making an ass of themselves by engaging in criminal/border line criminal behavior. Denying other people their freedom of assembly is a criminal offense in the US, that is why you see the police protecting those KKK idiots every time they insist on marching. The police did exactly their job, and they did it with a level of restraint that has not been shown until very RECENT times.
I grow weary of children who cry about how "bad" it's getting when they don't even know how bad it really was before they even came along.
Personally I'd love to join the protests but I seriously fear for my freedom and my life. I am not against the RNC but I am definitely against the manner in which protesting is being handled.
I have been ashamed to be an American for a long ass time
No need to feel ashamed about being an American, because frankly you aren't one, not a real one anyway.
Real Americans go out in the world and change things, not sit on sites whining like a child about how unfair life is. Once you move out of your parents house and see the world you might begin to understand that.
Back to the orginal topic, freedom of assembly applies to both groups not just the protesters, who at every large meeting have proven unable to restrain themselves. It sounds like this group was no different.
I say the police should go back to the sixties, when they used to use fire hoses and tear gas on the crows, beat people with wood battons, and shoot protesters with rubber bullets. At least then you might have something of substance to bitch about.
Want more bandwidth? Start throwing lan parties again.
You get amazing transfer rates (50 megs a sec actual) and you'd be absolutely amazed at the variety of stuff you'll find. All it takes is a portable PC and lot's of harddrive space. No caps and no RIAA sniffing around at what you are doing.
Here's the craziest part of it all, you might, gasp, accidently develope a social life too and meet one of those all mythical creatures known as a "girl".
Yes well that is what is unclear. For example, is there an expectation of privacy if you put a bunch of 12ft tall bushes around your property, so people can't see into your yard, but someone standing on a nearby hill can still see?
Still doesn't matter. A desire for privacy is not the same thing as an expectation of privacy.
If you are outside certain areas of your private home, or certain areas is public (changing & bath rooms, sleeping areas.) You can NEVER have an expectation of privacy no matter how big a fence you put up or how high you grow your hedges...PERIOD.
Yeah remember some of that from the psy class I took. The teacher had us go through our favorite movies and analyze them. The basic archtypes and all of that. It's amazing that nearly all the best movies dovetail almost perfectly into what was taught in the clase.
Also keep in mind that the law is not clear on photographs where the subject of the picture is on private property but the photographer was standing on public ground.
Wrong! You take pictures of anything you want, of anyone you want, as long as their is no expectation of privacy. Bedrooms, bathrooms, etc have an expectation of privacy, while on the other hand your backyard, garage, front door, tree house, etc do not.
The are other laws that can come into play such as anti-loitering, obstruction of traffic, etc that can prevent some methods of photography, but not all.
In the books, the emperor comes back, a little something he had batched up from the ol' clone wars, and starts trouble. They kill him again, and low and behold he's back again. Luke's like "WTF!?" so he ends up taking his father's place at the Emperor's side just to figure out his trick.
Luke basically goes on a killing spree where the end's justify the means and wipes out anyone that get's in his way, Imperial, Rebel, or Neutral.
There's a whole story line where Luke once, brought back to the Light becomes all passive and goes out of his way to avoid anything that would hurt anyone. R2D2 fills the gap in one fight after getting tired of watching Luke get his ass kicked over and over and goes and gets Luke's X-Wing and hovers over to the fight and starts blasting people at point blank range with the ships guns.
I think we are going to have to hope Lucas's dies sooner than later, or someone pulls off, first of it's kind, class action lawsuit that can get him declared mentally incompetent(for pissing off just about everyone over the age of 7), before we start seeing movies that are half as interesting as some of the books.
If you want to see one of the orginal potential SW plots, that Lucas recycled into another movie, go rewatch the "Willow".
Willow - Luke
Mad Martigan - Solo
the sorcerus Fin Raziel - Chewy ("I expected something less fuzzy")
the Brownies-R2D2/C3P0
the general - Vader
the Queen - the emperor
the princes well was the princes, though Sorsha took over the adult roll (love interest, who also didn't think much of Martigan on first sight) of Leia and who just happens to be the daughter of Queen Bavmorda (Vader/Emperor).
Of course Warwick Davis, our hero Willow Ufgood, played the ewoc Wicket in RotJ.
The whole coming of age/discovering your potential while on a journey was a direct rip off from the Wizard of Oz
Which goes a long way to explaining Lucus' little people fetish.
I'm the same the way. I jumped into HD-DVD because there are decent rippers for it. The downside was each movie was 25gb, they were making too big of a dent in my 2TB server.
Once you goto a server you never want to go back. I always love the look on the kids face when they are over at a friend's house and they don't under stand why they can't just watch their shows on a laptop and have to watch what ever the adults are watching on the main tv.
You get spoiled pretty quick.
I also laugh at their feable attempts at controlling piracy online. Grab a 500gb external and just walk to a friends house. The bandwidth is increadible!
I wish you guys would get off Bush already. It makes you look very ignorant. The President has little or nothing to do with our economy or the spending. He can ask for money for different things, but Congress is the one that controls the money. Even if he decides to veto a budget Congress can still override him if they have enough votes.
Your corporation is at war with another corporation. You may then blast each other to bits any time any place.
You join a Faction (one of the 4 races). Then you may kill any member of an opposing faction any time any place. Not all factions hate each other.
Space is divied up in 0.0 to 1.0.
0.5-1.0 is patrolled by NPC's who will come and murder you if you attack another player. This takes time though. Suicide ganking is using throw away ships/pilots to kill a fat target before the authorities can kill you. Then you use a second alt comes in a picks up the loot from your targets wreckage.
0.1-0.4 Gate and station guns will attack you if you attack another player, but NPC ships will not respond to aggression, so pretty much its full-on anywhere not near a gate or station, but some ships are tough enough that can tank those guns so those areas are not safe either.
0.0 space. There is no law but what you make. Death comes swiftly here with big pointy teeth. This is the region where the big ships and big corps roam. Anyone may attack anyone else at anytime.
Lastly when you attack enough players your personal sec status drops. It goes down some when you attack another player, it goes down more if you blow up his ship, and it goes down alot if you murder him (blow up his escape pod). Once it's below -.5 you can be attacked by anyone, anywhere, anytime and the hi-sec space NPC's will be gunning for you as well..
There are other ways to be able to legally attack or kill other players. Stealing give you a 15 minute window to blow up the theif's ship. Murdering another player give that player 30 days to hunt your ass down and kill you.
Essentially no place is 100% safe, though most places are not 100% lethal either. There are ways of mitigating the risk, but even so the risk is always there.
I agree on the amount of debt is stupid, I'd like see a law passed that prevented Congress from spending more than 99% of the budget for the next 100 years or so till the debt is paid down, but we couldn't have picked a better country to take the loan out with.
Imagine what would happen to their economy if we just decided to say any debt to China is erased. That's better than having nukes pointed at them.
If this goes through, we are going to start seeing "Selective breeding" again so we all can afford heathcare.
Nothing wrong with a little selective breading. Make that part of the insurance policy. We'll treat you for your known, genetic conditions that will most likely be passed on to any children, if you agree to be sterilized. It's either that or start repopulating major cities with large carnivors to take care of the slow and the week.
It would take care of the obsesity problem and protect endangered species all at the same time!
Actually the rich do bother, don't you pay attention to the election campaigns? It boils down to it not some much they don't bother, but that they can't.
Sure the rich and the powerfull can make a few people's lives misserable, but they find trying to take on everyone a no win situation.
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So that makes you what about 60 years old?
(Snort)...sure you are.
"Whaaa were's you proof"
The police don't just randomly show up at places, to harrass people just for kicks. They are either called by someone or were already familiar with the group. The later of the two seems to be the case.
We've got nuts that protest the base were I'm at in the UK, because of all the "Nukes" we have here. About the most dangerous thing to your health on base is a Burger King. Believe me, we know who they are, where they live, what they look like, and when they are planning their next gig. They've been at it for a long time. It doesn't take a grand Police State conspiracy to know what these people are doing.
About the nastiest thing we've done to them in return is to park a SF truck with a spot light on their "freedom camp" every hour at night and whoop the siren for a second to make sure they don't cut the fence and sneek on base to spray paint or dent the planes with hammers.
If they ever decided to plan something beyond being just annoying, believe me they'd all be round up by the British police by the end of the day.
I'm just ammusing myself by antagonizing the easily antagonized, which is typically anyone under the age of 30 (even easier if they are in college, some intelligence combined with no real world experience).
I'll give you a hint, just did it again.
The rest of your comment makes little to no sense, but I will try to humor you.
Pining for the good ol'd days for me would be the eighties, so no, not pinning for the good ol days. I don't think I'll ever be able to live it down if my kids find those pictures of me sporting a mullet. I do still think about this one girl from school that used to be able to pull of this great jean jacket/ultra mini skirt/big hair look.
Unprovoked raid. :) Don't be naive. The police could get in a lot of trouble for doing such a thing, but at the same time when someone starts talking trouble the police are supposed to react as if they really meant it. They don't have a choice.
It's kind of like putting your hand in your jacket and then telling everyone you have a gun. You should not be surprised or upset when the police shoot you. You asked for it.
Again I'd like to point to my first comment being stated with SARCASM. Police pull a little raid and everyone here is running around screaming
"the Nazi's are coming! the Nazi's are coming!"
Hate to burst your bubble, but the Nazi's are not coming.
Compared to what the police used to do up until the late seventies. Those protesters hardly got a slap on the wrist.
You want to see some real oppression I suggest you visit some of the countries that are actually OUTSIDE the US sometime.
Now go brush your teeth and get into bed your mother is calling.
You are funny.
I believe in rights and I certainly believe in standing up for them. What I don't believe is in the big mob of people howling for blood everytime anyone has a convention with 100 different agendas. It get's old and is not productive. It also makes me question their motivation.
I also belive that anyone willing to take away the rights of others, should be delt with harshly, whether they be the police or in this case protesters seeking to disrupt someone else's assembly.
The liberals have never fought for anything other than their own power base, and have used every form of handout to try bribe the masses to get it. They do not have my right's or yours in mind that is for certain.
The ACLU has a grand past, but a fairly crummy present. All the great civil rights activist are long gone. These people aren't fighting anymore for freedom, they are fighting just to fight. I marched in college with the rest of them. I protested this, I protested that, I angrily argued about injustice. Then something happened one day years later after seeing the world and meeting many people from all walks of life. I realized something. That I was completely full of shit, and it was time to grow up.
Those people aren't fighting for my rights, they're doing something more akin to public masterbating. It may feel good for them, but all it does is irritate the rest of us.
So yeah I have little problem the police breaking them up. That hardly makes my an authoritarian fuckwit hypocrite.
Well I'm a bit of an authoritarian, I am in the military after all. I'm hardly a fuckwit, I'm working on my Master's degree. Not sure how I'm a hypocrite I don't recall saying anything that contradicted myself.
and I like hippies well enough, as long as they put down their protest signs and bathe.
First off people that pull of the gloves or at least threaten to should always be delt with in a manner that involves a punch in the teeth. That is what these groups do, and they got what they asked for.
Second off these people got a big fat nothing. The police handled them like little old ladies compared to the ways they used to deal with protesters. Again go read some history.
If this had been the sixties, they would be covered in their own blood after being beaten senseless and the odds of one or two them being dead would have been fairly high.
So what we had here was a bunch of people planning on making an ass of themselves by engaging in criminal/border line criminal behavior. Denying other people their freedom of assembly is a criminal offense in the US, that is why you see the police protecting those KKK idiots every time they insist on marching. The police did exactly their job, and they did it with a level of restraint that has not been shown until very RECENT times.
I grow weary of children who cry about how "bad" it's getting when they don't even know how bad it really was before they even came along.
I have been ashamed to be an American for a long ass time
No need to feel ashamed about being an American, because frankly you aren't one, not a real one anyway.
Real Americans go out in the world and change things, not sit on sites whining like a child about how unfair life is. Once you move out of your parents house and see the world you might begin to understand that.
Back to the orginal topic, freedom of assembly applies to both groups not just the protesters, who at every large meeting have proven unable to restrain themselves. It sounds like this group was no different.
I say the police should go back to the sixties, when they used to use fire hoses and tear gas on the crows, beat people with wood battons, and shoot protesters with rubber bullets. At least then you might have something of substance to bitch about.
It there for must be a.....?
I'll give you a hint, it start with a D and rhymes with fuck.
hhmmmmmm??
Yeah I can live with that
Back in the day they would have shot them with rubber (occassionaly real) bullets, used tear gass, wood battons, and firehoses on them.
All these guys got was a little roughing up.
Yawn that's not a story about oppression, wake me when they fire a volley into the crowd.
You get amazing transfer rates (50 megs a sec actual) and you'd be absolutely amazed at the variety of stuff you'll find. All it takes is a portable PC and lot's of harddrive space. No caps and no RIAA sniffing around at what you are doing.
Here's the craziest part of it all, you might, gasp, accidently develope a social life too and meet one of those all mythical creatures known as a "girl".
Still doesn't matter. A desire for privacy is not the same thing as an expectation of privacy.
If you are outside certain areas of your private home, or certain areas is public (changing & bath rooms, sleeping areas.) You can NEVER have an expectation of privacy no matter how big a fence you put up or how high you grow your hedges...PERIOD.
What if she is a schoolgirl? Oh wait yeah nm, still a perv. :)
Yeah remember some of that from the psy class I took. The teacher had us go through our favorite movies and analyze them. The basic archtypes and all of that. It's amazing that nearly all the best movies dovetail almost perfectly into what was taught in the clase.
Wrong! You take pictures of anything you want, of anyone you want, as long as their is no expectation of privacy. Bedrooms, bathrooms, etc have an expectation of privacy, while on the other hand your backyard, garage, front door, tree house, etc do not.
The are other laws that can come into play such as anti-loitering, obstruction of traffic, etc that can prevent some methods of photography, but not all.
Luke basically goes on a killing spree where the end's justify the means and wipes out anyone that get's in his way, Imperial, Rebel, or Neutral.
There's a whole story line where Luke once, brought back to the Light becomes all passive and goes out of his way to avoid anything that would hurt anyone. R2D2 fills the gap in one fight after getting tired of watching Luke get his ass kicked over and over and goes and gets Luke's X-Wing and hovers over to the fight and starts blasting people at point blank range with the ships guns.
I think we are going to have to hope Lucas's dies sooner than later, or someone pulls off, first of it's kind, class action lawsuit that can get him declared mentally incompetent(for pissing off just about everyone over the age of 7), before we start seeing movies that are half as interesting as some of the books.
Willow - Luke
Mad Martigan - Solo
the sorcerus Fin Raziel - Chewy ("I expected something less fuzzy")
the Brownies-R2D2/C3P0
the general - Vader
the Queen - the emperor
the princes well was the princes, though Sorsha took over the adult roll (love interest, who also didn't think much of Martigan on first sight) of Leia and who just happens to be the daughter of Queen Bavmorda (Vader/Emperor).
Of course Warwick Davis, our hero Willow Ufgood, played the ewoc Wicket in RotJ.
The whole coming of age/discovering your potential while on a journey was a direct rip off from the Wizard of Oz
Which goes a long way to explaining Lucus' little people fetish.
I'm the same the way. I jumped into HD-DVD because there are decent rippers for it. The downside was each movie was 25gb, they were making too big of a dent in my 2TB server.
Once you goto a server you never want to go back. I always love the look on the kids face when they are over at a friend's house and they don't under stand why they can't just watch their shows on a laptop and have to watch what ever the adults are watching on the main tv.
You get spoiled pretty quick.
I also laugh at their feable attempts at controlling piracy online. Grab a 500gb external and just walk to a friends house. The bandwidth is increadible!
The sad thing is it's quicker than sitting through all the crap they load on the front end and try to force you to watch.
If /. wanted me to spell correctly it would include a spel checker.
Religion always fucks things up.
Your corporation is at war with another corporation. You may then blast each other to bits any time any place.
You join a Faction (one of the 4 races). Then you may kill any member of an opposing faction any time any place. Not all factions hate each other.
Space is divied up in 0.0 to 1.0.
0.5-1.0 is patrolled by NPC's who will come and murder you if you attack another player. This takes time though. Suicide ganking is using throw away ships/pilots to kill a fat target before the authorities can kill you. Then you use a second alt comes in a picks up the loot from your targets wreckage.
0.1-0.4 Gate and station guns will attack you if you attack another player, but NPC ships will not respond to aggression, so pretty much its full-on anywhere not near a gate or station, but some ships are tough enough that can tank those guns so those areas are not safe either.
0.0 space. There is no law but what you make. Death comes swiftly here with big pointy teeth. This is the region where the big ships and big corps roam. Anyone may attack anyone else at anytime.
Lastly when you attack enough players your personal sec status drops. It goes down some when you attack another player, it goes down more if you blow up his ship, and it goes down alot if you murder him (blow up his escape pod). Once it's below -.5 you can be attacked by anyone, anywhere, anytime and the hi-sec space NPC's will be gunning for you as well..
There are other ways to be able to legally attack or kill other players. Stealing give you a 15 minute window to blow up the theif's ship. Murdering another player give that player 30 days to hunt your ass down and kill you.
Essentially no place is 100% safe, though most places are not 100% lethal either. There are ways of mitigating the risk, but even so the risk is always there.
This is what keeps Eve interesting.
Imagine what would happen to their economy if we just decided to say any debt to China is erased. That's better than having nukes pointed at them.
Nothing wrong with a little selective breading. Make that part of the insurance policy. We'll treat you for your known, genetic conditions that will most likely be passed on to any children, if you agree to be sterilized. It's either that or start repopulating major cities with large carnivors to take care of the slow and the week.
It would take care of the obsesity problem and protect endangered species all at the same time!
Sure the rich and the powerfull can make a few people's lives misserable, but they find trying to take on everyone a no win situation.
Anyone over the age of 30 would, who has been paying attention for the last 15 years, could tell you things are not "Pretty Much Bad".