Let's just say that KDE 3.2 should raise eyebrows in Cupertino
You've got to be kidding. At any rate, don't lose any sleep over it.
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wxwindows (a good rewrite of MFC/OWL)
That's oxymoronic. You cannot get a good rewrite of something so lacking as the MFC, and OWL is hardly better.
Don't believe me? Then why don't MS use the MFC themselves? For they don't - for all practical purposes they've shunned it all along, and with good reason.
I don't really believe the KDE people patterned their work after Microsoft's anyway; and as for 'procedural programming' in Gnome needing C constructs to achieve object orientation - well, if Linus himself says it can be done and done efficiently, then that's two voices who say so - at least.
I am not touting Gnome - on the contrary. And I am not touting KDE by any means - I've seen the code and it gives me vertigo. For you cannot achieve OO with C++ anyway. It's far better to use straight C, and then you don't have the overhead.
Whatever - if you want OO, use Objective-C. It's based on Smalltalk, and that's the only viable paradigm we've ever had (Simula/C++ just don't cut the muster, not by a long shot), and there I'll quote Alan Kay himself, thank you.
Finally, there is never any 'overhead' in OO any programmer has to 'reimplement'. OO is a way of looking at programming assignments - 'organisms' as Alan Kay saw it. It has nothing to do with orientation, or reimplementation, or any of that.
All of which might be too 'developer oriented' for this discussion, but you brought the topic up (and clumsily), not I.
I think there is a case for the Windows keyboard stuff, and it's called accessibility. Some people simply can't use a mouse - physically. And they have to rely on the keyboard doing it for them. The Mac won't give you this, but I might be wrong. At any rate, I've never discovered it. Windows menus have mnemonics which open them, and F10 will always toggle menu activity. (There's another key too, but gratefully it escapes me, so long it's been since I've had to sit in front of a Windoze box.)
But there is a validity to seeing that every function in every app can be governed without a mouse.
Then too, the following stats might be interesting. They're MS stats, but nonetheless. Study of focus groups show that only about 17% of all users will gravitate towards keyboard shortcuts when given the three alternatives of toolbar buttons, menu, and the shortcuts themselves.
The overwhelming majority - 57% - will choose the toolbar.
I do believe you are a troll, as you were modded - either that or you are tragically ignorant.
When did KDE start? When did NeXTSTEP start? NS was out the door fifteen years ago. Where was KDE then?
This was BEFORE the World Wide Web, Einstein. Before browsers, and a couple of years before that Finland Swede ever thought about fighting it out with the creator of Minix.
Previously, if you dragged an image from the browser to the desktop (or wherever), it would download it AGAIN.
Yes, nonsensical, but there was a way around that, and still is for those who don't upgrade.
Just open the image in a new window and use Save As.
The annoying jumping around that happens when reloading a previously scrolled page.
Agreed. But even more; some sites seem to put S into a tizzy (/. is one). No matter that you click to move on, S will continue to load (forever) and only precious minutes later recognise the new click.
If on the other hand you stop the current load and click again, S will do nothing. Check your location bar, and you'll see the next URL which you clicked for but where you never arrived. The trick here is to click Refresh instead.
Another beauty: if you muck with the location bar's contents and hit Refresh, S gets lost. There is no internal representation for your current location; it seems the only storage for this is your location bar, which is eminently editable.
And if you're waiting for a heavy image to load, does the user really think Safari is faster it if doesn't show a single pixel until it can WHAM! put it all there at once? If the dimensions are known, why not do it a bit at a time like Camino? For it's a lot easier to make up your mind whether you want to wait out the complete download or not.
Finally, the 'no man's land' in the lower right hand corner can easily get double scroll bar arrows. This will not happen that often on broadband, but on dialup from a hotel it's very annoying. The technique Cocoa normally does (as evidenced by their table view) is to put a dummy control in these unused areas, but the S team, albeit aware of this cosmetic bug from the get-go, have still not taken the time to fix it.
Good quip. And yes, what Apple have done is amalgamate what NeXT did, namely put a GUI on top of a Unix, complete with a development environment that can't be matched anywhere even today.
That and the hardware... It's obvious the FBI want machines like this - their job is not to tinker with boxes, but to get an entirely different job done.
As the guy says, 'out of the box...' That's the way they want to use them, the way everybody serious about things wants to use them. They have to 'just work' right away.
I think it's fairly certain Konzen wrote that program. From an engineering standpoint, Gates has never been able to tie his shoelaces.
But denigrating the IBM machine because it wasn't the Mac is missing the point: backward compatibility. IBM spent a lot of $$$ and effort getting CP/M ISVs to make the leap. To quote Steve Jobs: 'When developers no longer write applications for your computer, that's when it really starts to fall apart.'
What one really needs is a good university or institute or even better, one's own country with a monarchy you have in your pocket.
Bill Gates is buying these things up left and right. He knows he's a total shit, and that's driving him crazy, and he tries to buy away his image of himself. He 'bought' a doctorate a couple of years back in Stockholm, where the year before Linus Torwalds had got one for free, but that's the difference: Linus is a nice guy, and he's doing nice things people like, and Gates isn't.
So if this is scary, it's scary because it seems to tell us money can buy anything and anyone.
The trick here is that the G5 is probably cheaper when you calculate bang for buck. And you still haven't figured out your ROI in terms of lesser overtime, etc because things 'just work'.
Someone is righteously dumb out there. You don't have to appreciate the joke, but you have to have the brains to know it's a joke.
No wonder they're asking people to meta-moderate.
But it gets worse, for time and again these moderating buffoons will mod down any opinion they don't agree with - and call it whatever they want, just to get it out of the discussion.
That is called fascism, and that is what the second world war was fought over.
Well no offence, but I believe in rear spoilers. I think they make a car faster and better in the turns.
I also believe in Rolex watches. I wear my Rolex when I'm out putting my Grannie Touristo through the paces, and I get into the turns better and out of them faster.
Yes, it is integrated into the OS, but 'integrated' is not really the right word. They started moving APIs around for the DOJ trial - just migrated the stuff for no other reason than to support their BS arguments that IE was 'integrated'. And IE has had a 'Preload' key in the Registry which means your boot will take longer, but then IE will appear to be faster than Moz.
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Let's just say that KDE 3.2 should raise eyebrows in Cupertino
You've got to be kidding. At any rate, don't lose any sleep over it.
wxwindows (a good rewrite of MFC/OWL)
That's oxymoronic. You cannot get a good rewrite of something so lacking as the MFC, and OWL is hardly better.
Don't believe me? Then why don't MS use the MFC themselves? For they don't - for all practical purposes they've shunned it all along, and with good reason.
I don't really believe the KDE people patterned their work after Microsoft's anyway; and as for 'procedural programming' in Gnome needing C constructs to achieve object orientation - well, if Linus himself says it can be done and done efficiently, then that's two voices who say so - at least.
I am not touting Gnome - on the contrary. And I am not touting KDE by any means - I've seen the code and it gives me vertigo. For you cannot achieve OO with C++ anyway. It's far better to use straight C, and then you don't have the overhead.
Whatever - if you want OO, use Objective-C. It's based on Smalltalk, and that's the only viable paradigm we've ever had (Simula/C++ just don't cut the muster, not by a long shot), and there I'll quote Alan Kay himself, thank you.
Finally, there is never any 'overhead' in OO any programmer has to 'reimplement'. OO is a way of looking at programming assignments - 'organisms' as Alan Kay saw it. It has nothing to do with orientation, or reimplementation, or any of that.
All of which might be too 'developer oriented' for this discussion, but you brought the topic up (and clumsily), not I.
upgrade fee
What's all this 'upgrade fee'? Panther's $129 is not an upgrade fee. It's the cost of Panther, upgrade or not.
MacOS 9 stll works JUST fine
Someone please mod this to 'Funny'. They can keep the 5.
Safari utilizes more and more Cocoa which has been pushed into the forefront and Carbon into the recesses as it should be.
You mind telling the rest of us exactly what was Carbonised in Safari? Aside from the framework calls which are not at all the same thing?
I think there is a case for the Windows keyboard stuff, and it's called accessibility. Some people simply can't use a mouse - physically. And they have to rely on the keyboard doing it for them. The Mac won't give you this, but I might be wrong. At any rate, I've never discovered it. Windows menus have mnemonics which open them, and F10 will always toggle menu activity. (There's another key too, but gratefully it escapes me, so long it's been since I've had to sit in front of a Windoze box.)
But there is a validity to seeing that every function in every app can be governed without a mouse.
Then too, the following stats might be interesting. They're MS stats, but nonetheless. Study of focus groups show that only about 17% of all users will gravitate towards keyboard shortcuts when given the three alternatives of toolbar buttons, menu, and the shortcuts themselves.
The overwhelming majority - 57% - will choose the toolbar.
FWIW.
If you press "delete" it will go back to the previous page.
Seems logical to me.
About as logical as dragging CDs to the Trash to eject, or clicking a Start button to end a session.
OS X wouldn't exist without open source.
I do believe you are a troll, as you were modded - either that or you are tragically ignorant.
When did KDE start? When did NeXTSTEP start? NS was out the door fifteen years ago. Where was KDE then?
This was BEFORE the World Wide Web, Einstein. Before browsers, and a couple of years before that Finland Swede ever thought about fighting it out with the creator of Minix.
Previously, if you dragged an image from the browser to the desktop (or wherever), it would download it AGAIN.
Yes, nonsensical, but there was a way around that, and still is for those who don't upgrade.
Just open the image in a new window and use Save As.
The annoying jumping around that happens when reloading a previously scrolled page.
Agreed. But even more; some sites seem to put S into a tizzy (/. is one). No matter that you click to move on, S will continue to load (forever) and only precious minutes later recognise the new click.
If on the other hand you stop the current load and click again, S will do nothing. Check your location bar, and you'll see the next URL which you clicked for but where you never arrived. The trick here is to click Refresh instead.
Another beauty: if you muck with the location bar's contents and hit Refresh, S gets lost. There is no internal representation for your current location; it seems the only storage for this is your location bar, which is eminently editable.
And if you're waiting for a heavy image to load, does the user really think Safari is faster it if doesn't show a single pixel until it can WHAM! put it all there at once? If the dimensions are known, why not do it a bit at a time like Camino? For it's a lot easier to make up your mind whether you want to wait out the complete download or not.
Finally, the 'no man's land' in the lower right hand corner can easily get double scroll bar arrows. This will not happen that often on broadband, but on dialup from a hotel it's very annoying. The technique Cocoa normally does (as evidenced by their table view) is to put a dummy control in these unused areas, but the S team, albeit aware of this cosmetic bug from the get-go, have still not taken the time to fix it.
this would indicate the innards are such a horrible mess of spagetti that they cannot make even simple changes
You really thought otherwise?
Microsoft Security Patch Fixes URL Security Flaw
'Addresses' or 'Attempts To Address' or 'Exacerbates' would be more appropriate.
With MS's track record, you have no right to assume they fixed anything.
So MS have issued 832,893 security updates before this one?
That sounds about right.
The point is, Germany went largely unchallenged for 5 years before the US got involved.
What a nut.
Even if he wins, no one would do business with him. His $3 billion would run out in a short time.
And why would anybody take a job for a company that went from $1 billion to $5 million?
Sounds like it was slim pickins for good ol' boy Darl. He'll pick up some loose change and skedaddle.
Linus was admirably eloquent, as always. Not bad for a Finland Swede.
Not that I would ever endorse anything from Apple
Asshole.
their streaming media technology seems fairly competent
How would you know, shit-for-brains?
Ninja Programmer?
Ha. What a fucking asshole.
When I want to work I want it to work.
Good quip. And yes, what Apple have done is amalgamate what NeXT did, namely put a GUI on top of a Unix, complete with a development environment that can't be matched anywhere even today.
That and the hardware... It's obvious the FBI want machines like this - their job is not to tinker with boxes, but to get an entirely different job done.
As the guy says, 'out of the box...' That's the way they want to use them, the way everybody serious about things wants to use them. They have to 'just work' right away.
Macs are hassle-free.
we were amazed
I think it's fairly certain Konzen wrote that program. From an engineering standpoint, Gates has never been able to tie his shoelaces.
But denigrating the IBM machine because it wasn't the Mac is missing the point: backward compatibility. IBM spent a lot of $$$ and effort getting CP/M ISVs to make the leap. To quote Steve Jobs: 'When developers no longer write applications for your computer, that's when it really starts to fall apart.'
the difference between an honorary knighthood and a "real" one eludes me
The real ones are cheaper.
What one really needs is a good university or institute or even better, one's own country with a monarchy you have in your pocket.
Bill Gates is buying these things up left and right. He knows he's a total shit, and that's driving him crazy, and he tries to buy away his image of himself. He 'bought' a doctorate a couple of years back in Stockholm, where the year before Linus Torwalds had got one for free, but that's the difference: Linus is a nice guy, and he's doing nice things people like, and Gates isn't.
So if this is scary, it's scary because it seems to tell us money can buy anything and anyone.
The trick here is that the G5 is probably cheaper when you calculate bang for buck. And you still haven't figured out your ROI in terms of lesser overtime, etc because things 'just work'.
Offtopic?
Someone is righteously dumb out there. You don't have to appreciate the joke, but you have to have the brains to know it's a joke.
No wonder they're asking people to meta-moderate.
But it gets worse, for time and again these moderating buffoons will mod down any opinion they don't agree with - and call it whatever they want, just to get it out of the discussion.
That is called fascism, and that is what the second world war was fought over.
Seventy-three
- new reasons to hate Bill Gates.
- new songs to watch Steve Ballmer dance to on stage.
- new areas of significant exploit vulnerability.
Well no offence, but I believe in rear spoilers. I think they make a car faster and better in the turns.
I also believe in Rolex watches. I wear my Rolex when I'm out putting my Grannie Touristo through the paces, and I get into the turns better and out of them faster.
Yes, it is integrated into the OS, but 'integrated' is not really the right word. They started moving APIs around for the DOJ trial - just migrated the stuff for no other reason than to support their BS arguments that IE was 'integrated'. And IE has had a 'Preload' key in the Registry which means your boot will take longer, but then IE will appear to be faster than Moz.
And you trust WU to not sabotaqe your computer?
I thought Steve Jobs and Apple were always first at everything!