There's this even newer project called SCOOP. It's collaborative media. You need a webserver to make it run but it works really well from what I've been testing with it. If you would like to try joining a SCOOP community, check out http://www.kuro5hin.org/
I'm pretty sure you're confusing "horrific" with "justified".
In the words of the Wu Tang Clan - DON'T BRING NONE AND THERE WON'T BE NONE. Wu Tang is hardcore, they are using the word "none" to replace "murder" to avoid Carnivore.
Well, aside of being severely disappointed in America with fad voting, I wasn't surprised to learn that 80% of the "obama votes" said race was a factor via CNN.
The good news is that after Obama being the far left candidate, it would be hard for Hillary, Gore, or Kerry to make another run on the Presidency. Next election the Dems will have to run chairman mao.
HP servers come with ILO and ILO 2 solutions which scratch your itch. Power management is controlled through a web interface via a chipset that stays live so long as the server has power. It's got it's own IP, and it requires a separate network connection from the server. You can power down, power up, hit the power button, press and hold, etc all from a web interface and it has a "virtual status light" thing going on. They also have a remote console, and over my terrible VPN often routed over a cellular modem, it's passable. I wouldn't want to have to make serious reloads of the entire OS off of it, but it works. It also allows you to have "virtual floppies" and "virtual CDs". It all works well in both Windows and Linux. We're a linux shop, so primarily I use it to power cycle linux boxes remotely when our developers do something very very bad.
The Celica GTR doesn't use the same 3SGTE the MR2 uses. The piping is entirely different, as is the frame, and the gearbox, and the radiator and intercooler. It's an entirely unrelated frame because it's an entirely unrelated car except for the top and bottom half of the engine. The motormounts are also different, and the trans spins the opposite way. The turbo is the same for the first three years of production, then the turbo between the two is different also. There's pretty much the MR2 3SGTE and the "everything else" 3SGTE. The current 3SGTE production requires a decent amount of work to get it in an MR2.
So what's the same? The wheel hubs are common between the celica and the MR2 of the same generation, the brakes are common between the celica, the MR2 and the camry, etc. I think I made up a list at one point when I wrote the Kuro5hin Chopper series last time I built an MR2. If you're into cars, it's worth a read.
But as for the claim about the chassis, I'm not changing the original claim. I've built several MR2s out of many more MR2s and I can safely tell you that the frame is way too close on those cars to be "coincidental". You can put a 3SGTE into a car designed for a 1ZZ or 2ZZ and it's because the frame hasn't changed.
No, it doesn't use it down to the millimeter, but if you're going to use the Mythbusters Rating System, it would firmly be under "plausible". You can, for instance, swap a 2ZZ engine with a 1ZZ engine to your hearts content between any MR2 and Lotus. And that's really the point of the post - they're related, and the chassis is related, and most of the MR cars are related to one another at some distant level.
At very least there's a strong business argument for buying parts from a company especially for Tesla. They probably aren't going to be using Lambo parts, for instance.
I'm sorry, I can't furnish you with an analogy applicable to someone who clearly doesn't understand cars or computers, so I can't figure out why you even come here.
OK, it's pretty clear you don't turn wrenches, so we'll use an analogy.
You have PC2300 memory, ECC. And you have a SATA harddrive. You also have a PCIe video card. All of these are made by a company called Tayato as a "gaming package". So Tayato makes this gaming package and sells it to other people including end users. You can just put it in any motherboard right? (Obviously not, you can't plug PCIe into an AGP slot).
Do you understand how Toyota has their claws in everyone else now? If you want to call it Toyota or you want to call it IBM, there's requirements for interfacing with their parts. You can't just swap engines between two cars like legos, which is how Lotus ended up using the chassis. They applied their own take on it, but an ATX motherboard is still an ATX motherboard and has certain case requirements just the same way the 2ZZ engine in the Lotus means the chassis, cooling system, exhaust, etc look the same as any other ZZ powered mid engine car.
So where Lotus takes it is the material engineering and knowing where to cut corners. It might have the same basic chassis design as an MR2 much in the same way any Intel processor + gigabyte mobo + ATI videocard is going to look an awful lot like an Alienware PC, but maybe Lotus makes it out of some superlight alloy and cuts a few pieces off. Or maybe stiffens up the suspension, changes the swaybars a bit, whatever.
Point being, if you take this Tayato Gaming Package, and upgrade the cooling, and then package it as your own PC and your own IP fence because you figure out some awesome new cooling system, then you become attractive to Intel, who sells the parts to Tayato. Maybe Tayto is too big to be bought by Intel, but you're not too big to be bought by Intel, and you're using Tayato stuff under the hood, so this gives Intel an end-run around Tayato's patent fence for whatever they have, especially if those patents are licensed down the line to the next company who wants to build off their stuff. The electric cars like the EV are a great example of this - it wasn't built to produce a car, it was built to patent.
Saying "There's no relationship there" clearly shows a gross misunderstanding about how it all goes together. You could simply try to google sues tesla to see what a licensing shitstorm this kind of stuff is in the automotive world.
Not only would Toyota pay big money to lock up any newer patents on electrical motors but Toyota already makes the MR2s, which it then turns around and sells the chassis to Lotus, who does their thing, who then sells the product to Tesla. By buying Tesla, Toyota is also getting all of Lotus's goodies on the cheap.
Why are there no black people in World of Warcraft? Are you guys some kind of racists? Or maybe all that Norse mythology went to your head along with the Esoteric Hitlerism?
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Yeah, GERMAN LAW.
What are they going to do? Not poop on her chest?
The homebrew community has been adding manual controls to fridges and freezers since forever. Lagering a beer requires very specific temperatures.
http://www.homebrewers.com/product/BE875?meta=FRG&utm_source=GBASE&utm_medium=CPC&utm_content=&utm_campaign=
That's what we use. Use it with a freezer to make it into a fridge!
MOD PARENT UP. That was awesome.
Oh my god I wish I could +1 you.
Also in this day and age, Ghandi would be raped to death by some punk who was never prosecuted because in our society, gay rape is love!
wow I never knew Bush had access to the tinfoil hat illuminati superjew government.
(Grain of salt warning, it's been about 7 years)...
Drexel has a clause in it's "student contract" which entitles them to patent anything you come up with on university time or university resources.
If you live in the dorms, you're always using university resources, so give up already.
You don't aim. There's isn't a round invented which will accurately fire out of a two inch barrel.
This is what's called a "belly gun", because you jam it into the guys belly and blow his guts out.
There's this even newer project called SCOOP. It's collaborative media. You need a webserver to make it run but it works really well from what I've been testing with it. If you would like to try joining a SCOOP community, check out http://www.kuro5hin.org/
I'm pretty sure you're confusing "horrific" with "justified".
In the words of the Wu Tang Clan - DON'T BRING NONE AND THERE WON'T BE NONE. Wu Tang is hardcore, they are using the word "none" to replace "murder" to avoid Carnivore.
Well, aside of being severely disappointed in America with fad voting, I wasn't surprised to learn that 80% of the "obama votes" said race was a factor via CNN.
The good news is that after Obama being the far left candidate, it would be hard for Hillary, Gore, or Kerry to make another run on the Presidency. Next election the Dems will have to run chairman mao.
HP servers come with ILO and ILO 2 solutions which scratch your itch. Power management is controlled through a web interface via a chipset that stays live so long as the server has power. It's got it's own IP, and it requires a separate network connection from the server. You can power down, power up, hit the power button, press and hold, etc all from a web interface and it has a "virtual status light" thing going on. They also have a remote console, and over my terrible VPN often routed over a cellular modem, it's passable. I wouldn't want to have to make serious reloads of the entire OS off of it, but it works. It also allows you to have "virtual floppies" and "virtual CDs". It all works well in both Windows and Linux. We're a linux shop, so primarily I use it to power cycle linux boxes remotely when our developers do something very very bad.
Obvious troll is obvious.
You must be bitter for not choosing a job that gives you such great health coverage.
The Celica GTR doesn't use the same 3SGTE the MR2 uses. The piping is entirely different, as is the frame, and the gearbox, and the radiator and intercooler. It's an entirely unrelated frame because it's an entirely unrelated car except for the top and bottom half of the engine. The motormounts are also different, and the trans spins the opposite way. The turbo is the same for the first three years of production, then the turbo between the two is different also. There's pretty much the MR2 3SGTE and the "everything else" 3SGTE. The current 3SGTE production requires a decent amount of work to get it in an MR2.
So what's the same? The wheel hubs are common between the celica and the MR2 of the same generation, the brakes are common between the celica, the MR2 and the camry, etc. I think I made up a list at one point when I wrote the Kuro5hin Chopper series last time I built an MR2. If you're into cars, it's worth a read.
But as for the claim about the chassis, I'm not changing the original claim. I've built several MR2s out of many more MR2s and I can safely tell you that the frame is way too close on those cars to be "coincidental". You can put a 3SGTE into a car designed for a 1ZZ or 2ZZ and it's because the frame hasn't changed.
I, for one, cannot wait for a new era of SPACE WELFARE.
No, it doesn't use it down to the millimeter, but if you're going to use the Mythbusters Rating System, it would firmly be under "plausible". You can, for instance, swap a 2ZZ engine with a 1ZZ engine to your hearts content between any MR2 and Lotus. And that's really the point of the post - they're related, and the chassis is related, and most of the MR cars are related to one another at some distant level.
At very least there's a strong business argument for buying parts from a company especially for Tesla. They probably aren't going to be using Lambo parts, for instance.
No no no. "Blessed are the peacemakers" is a sure sign that God wants us to have nukes.
I'm sorry, I can't furnish you with an analogy applicable to someone who clearly doesn't understand cars or computers, so I can't figure out why you even come here.
Google works for you too. Either read up on how incestuous the whole industry is (incest is something you're surely familiar with) or call it quits. Start here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=999141&cid=25415721
tesla-lotus connection:
http://autoreview.belproject.com/item/186
nyt summary on toyota-lotus connection:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9900EEDC163BF931A35751C0A965948260
To people reading this discussion, google works for you guys too.
OK, it's pretty clear you don't turn wrenches, so we'll use an analogy.
You have PC2300 memory, ECC. And you have a SATA harddrive. You also have a PCIe video card. All of these are made by a company called Tayato as a "gaming package". So Tayato makes this gaming package and sells it to other people including end users. You can just put it in any motherboard right? (Obviously not, you can't plug PCIe into an AGP slot).
Do you understand how Toyota has their claws in everyone else now? If you want to call it Toyota or you want to call it IBM, there's requirements for interfacing with their parts. You can't just swap engines between two cars like legos, which is how Lotus ended up using the chassis. They applied their own take on it, but an ATX motherboard is still an ATX motherboard and has certain case requirements just the same way the 2ZZ engine in the Lotus means the chassis, cooling system, exhaust, etc look the same as any other ZZ powered mid engine car.
So where Lotus takes it is the material engineering and knowing where to cut corners. It might have the same basic chassis design as an MR2 much in the same way any Intel processor + gigabyte mobo + ATI videocard is going to look an awful lot like an Alienware PC, but maybe Lotus makes it out of some superlight alloy and cuts a few pieces off. Or maybe stiffens up the suspension, changes the swaybars a bit, whatever.
Point being, if you take this Tayato Gaming Package, and upgrade the cooling, and then package it as your own PC and your own IP fence because you figure out some awesome new cooling system, then you become attractive to Intel, who sells the parts to Tayato. Maybe Tayto is too big to be bought by Intel, but you're not too big to be bought by Intel, and you're using Tayato stuff under the hood, so this gives Intel an end-run around Tayato's patent fence for whatever they have, especially if those patents are licensed down the line to the next company who wants to build off their stuff. The electric cars like the EV are a great example of this - it wasn't built to produce a car, it was built to patent.
Saying "There's no relationship there" clearly shows a gross misunderstanding about how it all goes together. You could simply try to google sues tesla to see what a licensing shitstorm this kind of stuff is in the automotive world.
Allow me to quote the grandparent:
"Elise based on an MR2?"
And then in the great grandparent:
"By buying Tesla, Toyota is also getting all of Lotus's goodies on the cheap."
I know, words are hard.
I'll give you the chassis, but saying that the Lotus isn't based on the MR2 is like saying the space shuttle isn't based on the titan missile program.
It wasn't a knock against the Lotus or British in general.
(I also happen to own a second generation MR2 and love it to death).
Yep.
http://www.sandsmuseum.com/cars/elise/thecar/engine/toyota.html
You may now kill yourself in shame.
I agree, but I just can't get over their penis.
Toyota.
Not only would Toyota pay big money to lock up any newer patents on electrical motors but Toyota already makes the MR2s, which it then turns around and sells the chassis to Lotus, who does their thing, who then sells the product to Tesla. By buying Tesla, Toyota is also getting all of Lotus's goodies on the cheap.
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Why are there no black people in World of Warcraft? Are you guys some kind of racists? Or maybe all that Norse mythology went to your head along with the Esoteric Hitlerism?