"The Eclipse Visual Editor project is a framework for creating GUI builders for Eclipse. It will include reference implementations of Swing/JFC and SWT GUI builders, but intends to be useful for creating GUI builders for other languages such as C/C++ and alternate widget sets, including those that are not supported under Java."
God forbid you ALRTFTFLOTA (At Least Read The First Two F*cking Lines of the Article):P
But (as much as it seems) the jury is not made of solely 12 RIAA member. As long as the courts believe you, that is the important part.
Interesting point.
These days, there are LOTS of people sharing music on the Internet. That means a greater chance of scoring a jury with sympathisers - other people who share music, for example. You don't have to be a genius to understand that the defendant is being sued for downloading music - if you download music too, then you'd be inclined to push towards you, right?
But if the RIAA keeps up, everyone will run scared. Eventually sharing music WILL seem 'bad' to everyone, and any law suits that arise after the scales are tipped in this manner will surely go to the RIAA.
Gee, I wonder if they'll settle for such meagre amounts then - when they can win the cases with a blink?
The patent covers "A system and method for circumventing schemes that use duplication detection to detect and block unsolicited e-mail (spam.)", although it's unclear exactly what AT&T want it for
Nothing will stop a 16 year old from viewing porn like having to face dad for an open and frank discussion that starts out as "so son, notice you've been looking at a lot of sex pages..Do you think all women are like that?? I noticed you were spending most of your time on pages where the women were doing X. Why is that ?? "
If you can't trust your 16 year old son (who is probably already well aware of things like "X") to make up his own mind about that kind of shit, and instead willfully associate fear and/or shame with sex... well, uh... shame on you. Assuming he's not tracking down pictures of naked eight year olds, I'd bet he's pretty safe.
Perhaps you should be more worried about things that are important -- hard drugs for example -- instead of pulling a headfuck on your child with regard to something that is pretty common and healthy in adult (and - god forbid - teenage) life. But then, this is slashdot. No Sex Here.
Q: The sample evidence - what programming language, e.g., "C", was it written in?
A: (It was in) C.
Q: Have you any previous experience in reading code?
A: No. And I am not a copyright attorney either. However, for the purposes of authentication, I had a code developer present to review the materials with. No one has greater respect for their inherent limitations than I do!!!
(emphasis mine)
Err... what the hell?
Some analyst - how can you analyse anything if you can't bloody read it? What authority does she hold exactly?
Don't worry: if I know bag guys -- and I do -- with any luck they'll be foolhardy enough to carry it around in a plastic bag - if my bottle of milk is anything to go by, this gizmo's gotta be heavy enough to make those flimsy "handles" snap.
It's not a big deal, we catch stuff like this, but it's annoying to the CVS users.
And the second:
> From: Zwane Mwaikambo > > > + if ((options == (__WCLONE|__WALL)) && (current->uid = 0)) > > > + retval = -EINVAL; > > > > That looks odd > > > > Setting current->uid to zero when options __WCLONE and __WALL are set? The > retval is dead code because of the next line, but it looks like an attempt > to backdoor the kernel, does it not?
Obviously eyes did come into the equation. LM didn't even notice the back door, it took a few vigilant LKML subscribers to spot it.
Stored procs etc. are fantastic if you know what platform you're building for (and that target platform has been set in stone).
I'm building an in-house piece of software in this manner, and stored procs alone saved me LOTS of work - particularly with respect to security checking. All the necessary checking is done automatically when the user logs into the database. Furthermore, users can be assigned roles within the system automatically as a knock-on effect.
I thought about trying to go database independant for a while, but the sheer amount of time saved for an application with a 95% chance of always running on a particular platform with a particular RDBMS compared to doing it all in the code... well, it's a no brainer.
However neat it is, cross-platform isn't always The Way.
But I completely agree with you with respect to open source projects and db independance. That said, this project hasn't always been open source right? Perhaps that's half an answer as to why they built it the way they did...
If you're going to be all snotty about the whole thing, how about the fact that Enums are perfectly usable as-is in Java today? Read the section on enums in "Effective Java".
Get over it. I noted that I wasn't trying to be rude, saying so won't make your argument any more objective. So get over it.
The enums described in Effective Java are still a hack. Or a big work-around. Or whatever. They're an improvement, mind you, but they only answer the type safety argument. Couple the fact that each and every enum field requires an instantiation of a new object (fine for small projects, but this will adversely affect startup time on larger ones), and the fact you have to perform all sorts of clunkyness just to get them to work, and you have a patchwork solution. C#'s solution is better. Period.
If you want to, you can compile Generic in Java today using the pre-release compiler and use the bytecode in exiting VM's (there are a few more subtle things you can't do without 1.5, but even so). The Generics support in Java has actually been ready to go for a few years now, if you want to harp on "reality"..Net would have it now of course but they were waiting to steal the polish specs from Java's JSR's (Hmm, if MS is stealing from Java's JSR's, how much more "real" does that make generics in.Net?)
Where did I mention generics? Again, I was referring to the current release of C#. Microsoft is "stealing" from JSRs in the same manner that Sun "stole" from C++. Would Java look different if it wasn't for C++? Would it even exist? Would C# exist if not for Java? You're argument appears to be "But they're stealing from a thief". And hey, it wouldn't be the first time.
C# is production quality, I guess... as long as you don't try to deploy it. Just ask Qwest about that (reason I'm posting anon). I think they might have an answer to your point three.
I don't know what you're talking about here. I had a bit of a look around but was unable to find any further info. Elaborate? Sounds like you're bordering on the "ASP.NET" argument that follows...
As to point four - are they really there yet? Where are the large scale.Net sites? Sure for toy stuff it works just fine. Try doing anything real though...
And here you step into the realm of ASP.NET - yeah, ASP.NET sucks! But I'm not talking about ASP.NET - I'm talking about C#, the language. ASP.NET itself is extremely awkward.
Re:It's already there in Java 1.5
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True, it hasn't been released yet (the first Java 1.5 betas are due next quarter), neither is Whidbey, and the JSRs have been out for some time, and the prototype compiler with generic support has been available for months.
I wasn't talking about Whidbey, I was talking about the current release of C#.
JSRs are talk. C# is a reality.
C# has already been implemented - further, its implementation is already production quality (irrespective of what Microsoft's definition of "production quality" is - if you disagree, break it for me will you?)
How long has C# been production quality for?
I don't mean to be rude, but I don't see what your point is. I'm saying C# is here. You're saying Java 1.5 is almost here, and has been prancing around in pre-production since forever.
And?
Re:Why C# doesn't Totally Suck
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come on, where are the real differences
I thought the same thing. It's actually lots of little things that make C# nicer all 'round (in comparison to Java): Most pleasant for me is the fact that I can use enumerations without (a) declaring a new class/interface (b) placing a ridiculously long "public static final int" before EACH member of the enumeration and (c) being able to use the newly declared enumeration's new type name for parameters instead of just "int" - remember semantics?
Integrating legacy shit is also a snap with C#. Sure, managed C++ is better, but have you tried doing the same thing in Java? Yuck.
Lots of little things like this, IMHO, make C# better than Java.
I hate the fact that Microsoft charges an arm and a leg for Windows/MSVS/everything. But I like C#.
If only it was cross platform from the word go. Mono's nice, but the MSVS IDE is what keeps Microsoft/Windows up and above Linux as far as ease of development goes.
Python's better than everything else anyway. *hides*;)
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"The Eclipse Visual Editor project is a framework for creating GUI builders for Eclipse. It will include reference implementations of Swing/JFC and SWT GUI builders, but intends to be useful for creating GUI builders for other languages such as C/C++ and alternate widget sets, including those that are not supported under Java."
:P
God forbid you ALRTFTFLOTA (At Least Read The First Two F*cking Lines of the Article)
I don't think there's a stable build of Eclipse 3.0 yet ...
:)
Anyone verify? I'm not familiar with their release terminology and don't care enough to find out
...but can this computer actually run:
:P
10 LET x = 1
20 LET y = 2
30 PRINT x + y
This seems to be a "does it run Linux?" joke gone horribly wrong.
Or is that kernel code you're posting?
since I suspect he doesn't have nearly as much of a clue as to how MS was as successful as it is as he'd like to pretend.
... have you been living under a rock?
err
In what way is Microsoft's iron grip on the desktop market unsuccessful?
You know, I always thought I was the best when it came to making really lame jokes.
:P
Thank you for enlightening me.
But (as much as it seems) the jury is not made of solely 12 RIAA member. As long as the courts believe you, that is the important part.
Interesting point.
These days, there are LOTS of people sharing music on the Internet. That means a greater chance of scoring a jury with sympathisers - other people who share music, for example. You don't have to be a genius to understand that the defendant is being sued for downloading music - if you download music too, then you'd be inclined to push towards you, right?
But if the RIAA keeps up, everyone will run scared. Eventually sharing music WILL seem 'bad' to everyone, and any law suits that arise after the scales are tipped in this manner will surely go to the RIAA.
Gee, I wonder if they'll settle for such meagre amounts then - when they can win the cases with a blink?
Now we can simply RTFP.
You give us too much credit.
I, for one, will not read any slashdot article or picture. Ever.
He says even though software Microsoft provides on its site certifies that the server is secure, it's not.
:P
Well derrrrrrrrr!
Sex? Avril Lavigne?
I thought they were mutually exclusive? Or have you had a few beers?
And starring the tablet PC...as Switch.
As who?
The patent covers "A system and method for circumventing schemes that use duplication detection to detect and block unsolicited e-mail (spam.)", although it's unclear exactly what AT&T want it for
Spamming, maybe?
Big Brother, is that you? :P
... well, uh ... shame on you. Assuming he's not tracking down pictures of naked eight year olds, I'd bet he's pretty safe.
Nothing will stop a 16 year old from viewing porn like having to face dad for an open and frank discussion that starts out as "so son, notice you've been looking at a lot of sex pages..Do you think all women are like that?? I noticed you were spending most of your time on pages where the women were doing X. Why is that ?? "
If you can't trust your 16 year old son (who is probably already well aware of things like "X") to make up his own mind about that kind of shit, and instead willfully associate fear and/or shame with sex
Perhaps you should be more worried about things that are important -- hard drugs for example -- instead of pulling a headfuck on your child with regard to something that is pretty common and healthy in adult (and - god forbid - teenage) life. But then, this is slashdot. No Sex Here.
Do you really distrust your own kids that much?
Q: The sample evidence - what programming language, e.g., "C", was it written in?
... what the hell?
A: (It was in) C.
Q: Have you any previous experience in reading code?
A: No. And I am not a copyright attorney either. However, for the purposes of authentication, I had a code developer present to review the materials with. No one has greater respect for their inherent limitations than I do!!!
(emphasis mine)
Err
Some analyst - how can you analyse anything if you can't bloody read it? What authority does she hold exactly?
And who was the code developer?
"IANAPOCA, but beware of SCO's righteous wrath!"
See wx.NET (cross platform, based on wxWindows)
:S
See GTK# (not quite so x-platform - GTK+ exists for windows, but without the L&F of windows)
Although I agree that a native cross platform toolkit would be better, would you expect anything else from Microsoft for Windows??
what happens when the bag guys get ahold of this
Don't worry: if I know bag guys -- and I do -- with any luck they'll be foolhardy enough to carry it around in a plastic bag - if my bottle of milk is anything to go by, this gizmo's gotta be heavy enough to make those flimsy "handles" snap.
From there, it's all up to gravity.
From the first article:
It's not a big deal, we catch stuff like this, but it's annoying to the
CVS users.
And the second:
> From: Zwane Mwaikambo
> > > + if ((options == (__WCLONE|__WALL)) && (current->uid = 0))
> > > + retval = -EINVAL;
> >
> > That looks odd
> >
>
> Setting current->uid to zero when options __WCLONE and __WALL are set? The
> retval is dead code because of the next line, but it looks like an attempt
> to backdoor the kernel, does it not?
Obviously eyes did come into the equation. LM didn't even notice the back door, it took a few vigilant LKML subscribers to spot it.
So no, it wasn't caught by a script.
Cheers to that. More readable too.
;)
Imaginary mod points for you
"This is how it ends, not with a bang, But a whimper" :(
Who said that?
George W. Bush.
No banging for YOU, Dubya!
Yawn. Somebody kill the parent off quietly please?
You could at least troll on-topic.
Stored procs etc. are fantastic if you know what platform you're building for (and that target platform has been set in stone).
... well, it's a no brainer.
...
I'm building an in-house piece of software in this manner, and stored procs alone saved me LOTS of work - particularly with respect to security checking. All the necessary checking is done automatically when the user logs into the database. Furthermore, users can be assigned roles within the system automatically as a knock-on effect.
I thought about trying to go database independant for a while, but the sheer amount of time saved for an application with a 95% chance of always running on a particular platform with a particular RDBMS compared to doing it all in the code
However neat it is, cross-platform isn't always The Way.
But I completely agree with you with respect to open source projects and db independance. That said, this project hasn't always been open source right? Perhaps that's half an answer as to why they built it the way they did
1. Speak to 11 year old
2. Science
3. ?????
4. Hum!
If you're going to be all snotty about the whole thing, how about the fact that Enums are perfectly usable as-is in Java today? Read the section on enums in "Effective Java".
Get over it. I noted that I wasn't trying to be rude, saying so won't make your argument any more objective. So get over it.
The enums described in Effective Java are still a hack. Or a big work-around. Or whatever. They're an improvement, mind you, but they only answer the type safety argument. Couple the fact that each and every enum field requires an instantiation of a new object (fine for small projects, but this will adversely affect startup time on larger ones), and the fact you have to perform all sorts of clunkyness just to get them to work, and you have a patchwork solution. C#'s solution is better. Period.
If you want to, you can compile Generic in Java today using the pre-release compiler and use the bytecode in exiting VM's (there are a few more subtle things you can't do without 1.5, but even so). The Generics support in Java has actually been ready to go for a few years now, if you want to harp on "reality". .Net would have it now of course but they were waiting to steal the polish specs from Java's JSR's (Hmm, if MS is stealing from Java's JSR's, how much more "real" does that make generics in .Net?)
Where did I mention generics? Again, I was referring to the current release of C#. Microsoft is "stealing" from JSRs in the same manner that Sun "stole" from C++. Would Java look different if it wasn't for C++? Would it even exist? Would C# exist if not for Java? You're argument appears to be "But they're stealing from a thief". And hey, it wouldn't be the first time.
C# is production quality, I guess... as long as you don't try to deploy it. Just ask Qwest about that (reason I'm posting anon). I think they might have an answer to your point three.
I don't know what you're talking about here. I had a bit of a look around but was unable to find any further info. Elaborate? Sounds like you're bordering on the "ASP.NET" argument that follows ...
As to point four - are they really there yet? Where are the large scale .Net sites? Sure for toy stuff it works just fine. Try doing anything real though...
And here you step into the realm of ASP.NET - yeah, ASP.NET sucks! But I'm not talking about ASP.NET - I'm talking about C#, the language. ASP.NET itself is extremely awkward.
True, it hasn't been released yet (the first Java 1.5 betas are due next quarter), neither is Whidbey, and the JSRs have been out for some time, and the prototype compiler with generic support has been available for months.
I don't mean to be rude, but I don't see what your point is. I'm saying C# is here. You're saying Java 1.5 is almost here, and has been prancing around in pre-production since forever.
And?
come on, where are the real differences
I thought the same thing. It's actually lots of little things that make C# nicer all 'round (in comparison to Java): Most pleasant for me is the fact that I can use enumerations without (a) declaring a new class/interface (b) placing a ridiculously long "public static final int" before EACH member of the enumeration and (c) being able to use the newly declared enumeration's new type name for parameters instead of just "int" - remember semantics?
Integrating legacy shit is also a snap with C#. Sure, managed C++ is better, but have you tried doing the same thing in Java? Yuck.
Lots of little things like this, IMHO, make C# better than Java.
I hate the fact that Microsoft charges an arm and a leg for Windows/MSVS/everything. But I like C#.
If only it was cross platform from the word go. Mono's nice, but the MSVS IDE is what keeps Microsoft/Windows up and above Linux as far as ease of development goes.
Python's better than everything else anyway. *hides* ;)
Worst. Codename. Ever.