so we really need to remove the financial incentives to becoming a politician. NO corporate campaign contributions, and pay the fuckers so little they need a real job to pay the bills. And no pension plan. Maybe then politicians will only consider what's in the best interest of the people.
Have you never seen The Princess Bride? I was quoting that movie in an attempt at humorously pointing out my irritation with the common mistake of typing viola instead of voila. At first I wanted to say something where the link to dictionary.com would be on the word cello, but couldn't come up with anything decent. Guess I should have included a smiley but I thought it would have been ovbious my post was more a joke opportunity than grammer nazi.
Next up is the up2date thing. I've lived in RPM hell since the Redhat 4.0 days, and I'm not really sure why I still endure it. By now, the fact that I still can't get a DVD or MP3 player installed with a simple command line statement or GUI tool is simply absurd. It's generally a multistep proecess: download foo-3.3-2.rpm for five minutes, try to install it to find out it depends on bar-1.2-3.rpm, so I download that for another five minutes, try to install that to find that baz-0.2-23-monkeychowder.rpm depends on bar-1.2-2.rpm and that by installing anything more recent, I'm just screwed. Am I the only person that finds this completely unacceptable?
Yes, you are. Because everyon else has already figured out by now that not only does up2date support apt and yum repositories, but RH also ships yum as part of fedora. Look here for a list of repos who support both apt and yum. You can add these sources to/etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources and use up2date for automagic dependency resolving across repos to install new packages and upgrade existing ones. To get a GUI that supports external repos you will have to go with apt/synaptic though. The up2date GUI only supports upgrades (not installation or removal, and I know the CLI supports installation and removal, I'm talking about GUI only now). There is no yum GUI that I know of.
I know there is are several commonly used tools that are ommited from fedora to avoid the IP issues. playing DVDs, Samba and a couple of others. Does anyone have a link to howto on what needs to be installed after the install to make it a regular useful distro?
Samba is included, as is the new CIFs driver which replaces smbfs. What isn't included is the NTFS read-only driver module, which you can download as a binary RPM from linux-ntfs. As for the other stuff, I like to use the fedora.us + livna.org* repositories. There is also freshrpms, ATrpms, Dag Wieers, and Planet CCRMA. There are others, and be warned that Dag Wieers and Axel Thim (atrpms) are in a pissing match over Dag obsoleting at least one of Axel's packages for naming it "wrong". (look at the April acrhives of the freshrpms mailing list with some fresh popcorn).
* - The livna.org front page still says they are down and lists the mirror. The rpm.livna.org repo is actually back up, they just never bothered to update the main page to say so.
If you switched because you didn't like Fedora because pine was missing, then that's dumb. That just sounds like you wanted to give yourself an excuse. Do you prefer KDE to GNOME? Do you prefer a single comprehensive tool to do system configuration and package upgrades? If so, then Suse is definately for you. Sounds like Yast kinda rubs you the wrong way though. The last time I tried Suse, I did read, probably on the suse mailing lists, various tricks so that Yast wouldn't stomp on config file changes, or how to make Yast just not even touch those config files (meaning Yast could no longer be used for those config tasks). Anyhow that's my take on using Suse, or even Mandrake, over Red Hat and Fedora. If you like GNOME, then Red Hat has the most well integrated offerings. If you like individual tools to configure different hardware/software, that usually don't undo your own tweaks, then Red Hat is for use. Otherwise use Suse, Mandrake, Xandros, Lindows, Lycoric, Libranet, or pretty much anything that isn't Red Hat.
A caring soul may have ported some of these RPMs to Fedora Legacy. But upgrading from official release to official release should be supported*. It's just upgrading to/from beta releases and rawhide which is not supported.
* - technically there is no 'official' support from Red Hat for Fedora. But the fedora-list and fedora-test-list mailing lists, as well as bugzilla.redhat.com will get you direct contact with the Red Hat engineers who will gladly help out.
Any way to update from Fedora Core 1 without downloading the.isos?
Yes, but none are supported. With apt, I've done it like this
1. manually download and upgrade (not install) the redhat-release package (although it may now be called fedora-release)
2. update the/etc/apt/sources.list file to point to the repo for the new release
3. apt-get upgrade
4. apt-get install kernel
5. reboot
6. apt-get dist-upgrade
7. reboot
8. done
The first time I did this was with up2date, which is why the redhat-release package had to be done explicitly first, it's probably not necessary with apt. This is not a supported upgrade path, even with yum or up2date (which both have the distribution upgrade feature), but many people do it with much success.
Thanks, if not for your link, posted to a discussion forum website, I might not have been able to locate a forum where I could discuss Fedora Core 2.;p
SuSE 9.1, along with several other Linux distributions, are targeted at the corporate desktop. And on a desktop you expect to find fully working sound for instance.
Suse Linux 9.1 Professional ($89.95 from suse.com) is cheaper than Windows XP Home ($199 from microsoft.com). You might expect the soundcard to be fully supported on every corporate desktop, but I say horseshit. I've worked at several companies where the IT department stated quite fully that they did not support sound cards and would not help you set them up, on Windows. The VAST majority of corporate desktops don't need a functioning soundcard to perform the intended functions. Besides, if you're buying a corporate desktop machine, it's likely to have an AC97 audio chipset on the motherboard, or something equally as benign, and those are fairly well supported out of the box with vendors like Suse, Red Hat, and Mandrake.
SuSE 9.1, along with several other Linux distributions, are targeted at the corporate desktop. And on a desktop you expect to find fully working sound for instance.
You're throwing in a red herring by asking why the server needs it. It doesn't. It's an inanimate object. The admins need it, because in the Linux world, a high priced distribution means a support contract that says the version you are buying will be supported for several years. The high price is not some artificial value of the software on the CD like it is with Microsoft or Sun. (for Solaris). You mention SATA RAID, which does appear to have lagging support, but I've certainly read my fair share of success stories. (I'm not in IT right now, so I have no personal experience with SATA RAID with which to relate, so that's about as much as I can comment on that topic)
the point to realise, and I'm sure you do, is that it has far less to do with the user than MS will admit. This is something that is taken into consideration by the developer and the default configuration. Major Linux distribution vendors design and configure for security, with less convenience (user accounts aren't created with admin privs by default, services run with reduced file system access and user privileges), where windows is designed for maximum convenience at the cost of security (OS installer creates and admin user account, services are integrated into the kernel with access to everything, etc). Microsoft is continually saying "if people would just install the patches we release," ignoring that even they don't keep up to date with patches on public servers (was it nimda that brought down some high profile public servers? i forget).
Unlike in the Unix world, where you solve all these problems by simply not running as root. You might not be running as root, but how are all those various programs listening on ports below 1024 running, enk?*
Usually the process is launched by init as root, the port is bound, and then the process forks, calling setuid and setgid to loose root privileges. It's also not unheard of to chroot the fork too. So you're left with a program running in a sandbox without root privileges, bound to a privileged port.
* - bold added to separate GP quote from parent quote, not for emphasis on any particular content in the quote.
Then what does define the 'official' language? In order for their to be a formal language, it's vocabulary must be defined. I was under the impression that the Oxford English Dictionary provided that vocabulary.
If you know English, you should know that virii is the plural for virus (cactus - cactii, fungus - fungi, etc.) "Virus" entered English indirectly from Latin.
I'm curious, do you mean American English? Because according to the dictionary defining American English, you are wrong. You are also wrong according to Dictionary.com. You are also wrong according to Wikipedia. The correct plural of virus, in American English (I don't have a copy of the official Oxford English Dictionary, which defines British English), is viruses. The use of the term virii originated in the 90s on warez sites/forums.
I have Fedora Core 1 installed on all three of my home machines (custom built SMP desktop, and two laptops). I would use it at work too but IT only allows RHEL.
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It's this kind of cynicism that makes things suck.
Sounds like extortion, just hide a tape recorder and have the dickhead charged.
so we really need to remove the financial incentives to becoming a politician. NO corporate campaign contributions, and pay the fuckers so little they need a real job to pay the bills. And no pension plan. Maybe then politicians will only consider what's in the best interest of the people.
Have you never seen The Princess Bride? I was quoting that movie in an attempt at humorously pointing out my irritation with the common mistake of typing viola instead of voila. At first I wanted to say something where the link to dictionary.com would be on the word cello, but couldn't come up with anything decent. Guess I should have included a smiley but I thought it would have been ovbious my post was more a joke opportunity than grammer nazi.
You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
dumb.ass.lameness.filter.can.suck.my.balls
sorry, the May archive. Start of thread is here. It starts off about ClamAV 0.70. Enjoy.
Yes, you are. Because everyon else has already figured out by now that not only does up2date support apt and yum repositories, but RH also ships yum as part of fedora. Look here for a list of repos who support both apt and yum. You can add these sources to /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources and use up2date for automagic dependency resolving across repos to install new packages and upgrade existing ones. To get a GUI that supports external repos you will have to go with apt/synaptic though. The up2date GUI only supports upgrades (not installation or removal, and I know the CLI supports installation and removal, I'm talking about GUI only now). There is no yum GUI that I know of.
Samba is included, as is the new CIFs driver which replaces smbfs. What isn't included is the NTFS read-only driver module, which you can download as a binary RPM from linux-ntfs. As for the other stuff, I like to use the fedora.us + livna.org* repositories. There is also freshrpms, ATrpms, Dag Wieers, and Planet CCRMA. There are others, and be warned that Dag Wieers and Axel Thim (atrpms) are in a pissing match over Dag obsoleting at least one of Axel's packages for naming it "wrong". (look at the April acrhives of the freshrpms mailing list with some fresh popcorn).
* - The livna.org front page still says they are down and lists the mirror. The rpm.livna.org repo is actually back up, they just never bothered to update the main page to say so.
If you switched because you didn't like Fedora because pine was missing, then that's dumb. That just sounds like you wanted to give yourself an excuse. Do you prefer KDE to GNOME? Do you prefer a single comprehensive tool to do system configuration and package upgrades? If so, then Suse is definately for you. Sounds like Yast kinda rubs you the wrong way though. The last time I tried Suse, I did read, probably on the suse mailing lists, various tricks so that Yast wouldn't stomp on config file changes, or how to make Yast just not even touch those config files (meaning Yast could no longer be used for those config tasks). Anyhow that's my take on using Suse, or even Mandrake, over Red Hat and Fedora. If you like GNOME, then Red Hat has the most well integrated offerings. If you like individual tools to configure different hardware/software, that usually don't undo your own tweaks, then Red Hat is for use. Otherwise use Suse, Mandrake, Xandros, Lindows, Lycoric, Libranet, or pretty much anything that isn't Red Hat.
and if i had read the subject of both your post and my reply, i wouldn't look like such a tard.
You'll notice that for each continental list of torrents, there is a list of 5-7 different torrents (binary CD, source CD, amd 64 bit cd, dvd, etc)
* - technically there is no 'official' support from Red Hat for Fedora. But the fedora-list and fedora-test-list mailing lists, as well as bugzilla.redhat.com will get you direct contact with the Red Hat engineers who will gladly help out.
yeah, but that wouldn't have been "shameless karma whoring." ;)
Yes, but none are supported. With apt, I've done it like this
1. manually download and upgrade (not install) the redhat-release package (although it may now be called fedora-release)
2. update the /etc/apt/sources.list file to point to the repo for the new release
3. apt-get upgrade
4. apt-get install kernel
5. reboot
6. apt-get dist-upgrade
7. reboot
8. done
The first time I did this was with up2date, which is why the redhat-release package had to be done explicitly first, it's probably not necessary with apt. This is not a supported upgrade path, even with yum or up2date (which both have the distribution upgrade feature), but many people do it with much success.
Thanks, if not for your link, posted to a discussion forum website, I might not have been able to locate a forum where I could discuss Fedora Core 2. ;p
THE BEST WAY - BITTORRENT:
/linux/core/2/ /fedora/2/ /core/2/ .redhat/li nux/core/2/ / /l inux/core/2/ /linux/downloa d.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/2/ ://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/downlo ad.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/2/ /mirror2.mirrors.tds.net/pub/fedora-core/2/ ://mirror2.mirrors.tds.net/fedora-core/2/ /
AMERICA TORRENT: Duke University, North Carolina, USA
http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/tettnang-binary -i386 -iso.torrent
http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/tettna ng-i386-DVD.to rrent
http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/tettnang-src- i386-is o.torrent
http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/tettnang- binary-x86_ 64-iso.torrent
http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/tett nang-x86_64-DVD. torrent
http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/tettnang-sr c-x86_64- iso.torrent
EUROPE TORRENT: Univerzita Karlova v Praze, Czech Republic
http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/fedora-torren t/tettnang -binary-i386-iso.torrent
http://sunsite.mff.cuni. cz/fedora-torrent/tettnang -i386-DVD.torrent
http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/fedo ra-torrent/tettnang -src-i386-iso.torrent
http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/ fedora-torrent/tettnang -binary-x86_64-iso.torrent
http://sunsite.mff.cun i.cz/fedora-torrent/tettnang -x86_64-DVD.torrent
http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/fe dora-torrent/tettnang -src-x86_64-iso.torrent
HTTP/FTP/RSYNC MIRRORS:
NORTH AMERICA
ftp://mirror.clarkson.edu/pub/distributio ns/fedora
http://mirror.clarkson.edu/pub/dis tributions/fedor a/linux/core/2/
ftp://ftp.webtrek.com/pub/mirrors
ftp://mirror.stanford.edu/pub/mirrors/ fedora/linux
ftp://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/fedora
http://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/fe dora.redhat/l inux/core/2/
rsync://rsync.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/fe dora-linux-cor e/2/
ftp://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/ core/2
http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/co re/ 2/
rsync://mirror.hiwaay.net/fedora-linux-core/2/
ftp://mirror.cs.princeton.edu/pub/mirrors/fedora
ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors
http
rsy nc://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/downl oad.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/2/
ft p://fedora.mirrors.tds.net/pub/fedora-core/2/
htt p://fedora.mirrors.tds.net/pub/fedora-core/2/
rsy nc://fedora.mirrors.tds.net/fedora-core/2/
ftp:// mirror2.mirrors.tds.net/pub/fedora-core/2/
http:/
rsync
ftp://l ess.cogeco.net/pub/fedora/linux/core/2/
ftp://lim estone.uoregon.edu/fedora/2/
http://limestone.uor egon.edu/ftp/fedora/2/
rsync://limestone.uoregon. edu/ftp/fedora/2/
ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/f edora/linux/core/2/
ftp://ftp.linux.ncsu.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/2
ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/redhat/fedor a/c ore/2/
http://redhat.secsup.org/fedora/core/2/
f tp://ftp.nrc.ca/pub/systems/linux/redhat/fedora/l inux/core/2/
ftp://mirror.netglobalis.net/pub/fed ora/core/2/
ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/ 2/
http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/2/
rsyn c://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/2/
ftp://mirro r.eas.muohio.edu/mirrors/fedora/linux/c ore/2/
http://mirror.eas.muohio.edu/fedora/linux/ core/2/
rsync://mirror.eas.muohio.edu/fedora/linu x/core/2/
ftp://ftp
Suse Linux 9.1 Professional ($89.95 from suse.com) is cheaper than Windows XP Home ($199 from microsoft.com). You might expect the soundcard to be fully supported on every corporate desktop, but I say horseshit. I've worked at several companies where the IT department stated quite fully that they did not support sound cards and would not help you set them up, on Windows. The VAST majority of corporate desktops don't need a functioning soundcard to perform the intended functions. Besides, if you're buying a corporate desktop machine, it's likely to have an AC97 audio chipset on the motherboard, or something equally as benign, and those are fairly well supported out of the box with vendors like Suse, Red Hat, and Mandrake.
SuSE 9.1, along with several other Linux distributions, are targeted at the corporate desktop. And on a desktop you expect to find fully working sound for instance.
You're throwing in a red herring by asking why the server needs it. It doesn't. It's an inanimate object. The admins need it, because in the Linux world, a high priced distribution means a support contract that says the version you are buying will be supported for several years. The high price is not some artificial value of the software on the CD like it is with Microsoft or Sun. (for Solaris). You mention SATA RAID, which does appear to have lagging support, but I've certainly read my fair share of success stories. (I'm not in IT right now, so I have no personal experience with SATA RAID with which to relate, so that's about as much as I can comment on that topic)
Well, Sir Gallahad, Sir Lancelot, and I hid inside a giant wooden Hormel crate in front of the castle ....
the point to realise, and I'm sure you do, is that it has far less to do with the user than MS will admit. This is something that is taken into consideration by the developer and the default configuration. Major Linux distribution vendors design and configure for security, with less convenience (user accounts aren't created with admin privs by default, services run with reduced file system access and user privileges), where windows is designed for maximum convenience at the cost of security (OS installer creates and admin user account, services are integrated into the kernel with access to everything, etc). Microsoft is continually saying "if people would just install the patches we release," ignoring that even they don't keep up to date with patches on public servers (was it nimda that brought down some high profile public servers? i forget).
Usually the process is launched by init as root, the port is bound, and then the process forks, calling setuid and setgid to loose root privileges. It's also not unheard of to chroot the fork too. So you're left with a program running in a sandbox without root privileges, bound to a privileged port.
* - bold added to separate GP quote from parent quote, not for emphasis on any particular content in the quote.
Then what does define the 'official' language? In order for their to be a formal language, it's vocabulary must be defined. I was under the impression that the Oxford English Dictionary provided that vocabulary.
I'm curious, do you mean American English? Because according to the dictionary defining American English, you are wrong. You are also wrong according to Dictionary.com. You are also wrong according to Wikipedia. The correct plural of virus, in American English (I don't have a copy of the official Oxford English Dictionary, which defines British English), is viruses. The use of the term virii originated in the 90s on warez sites/forums.
Overused Slashdot Jokes (tm) eat my brane.
I have Fedora Core 1 installed on all three of my home machines (custom built SMP desktop, and two laptops). I would use it at work too but IT only allows RHEL.