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CmdrTaco
on from the stress-those-pipes dept.
mkool writes "Exactly on schedule.
Fedora Core 2 is now officially available from Red Hat and at distinguished mirror sites near you, and is also available in the torrent."
Not true. It can have this in ideal circumstances, but usually doesn't. Most people have asymmetric connections, which means that they are only uploading a fraction of the amount they download. It does mean, however, that it takes more clients before the server (initial seed in BitTorrent parlance) slows to a crawl. When we get proper multicast support in the Internet, it will become possible for even people on asymmetric connections to upload more than they download.
uh, yeah, but most appear to be as overloaded as the main site, and the few I've found that aren't, don't have the images -- in fact, many have nothing for release 2 at all.
Look before you chastise.
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Re:So...
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Anonymous Coward
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Most people have asymmetric connections, which means that they are only uploading a fraction of the amount they download.
Feh... asymetric works the other way, too. I have broadband service and when using BitTorrent I often find myself uploading to others far more than I received before the download is complete.
Feh... asymetric works the other way, too. I have broadband service and when using BitTorrent I often find myself uploading to others far more than I received before the download is complete.
Same here...:-/
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Thanks, if not for your link, posted to a discussion forum website, I might not have been able to locate a forum where I could discuss Fedora Core 2.;p
Any way to update from Fedora Core 1 without downloading the.isos?
Yes, but none are supported. With apt, I've done it like this
1. manually download and upgrade (not install) the redhat-release package (although it may now be called fedora-release)
2. update the/etc/apt/sources.list file to point to the repo for the new release
3. apt-get upgrade
4. apt-get install kernel
5. reboot
6. apt-get dist-upgrade
7. reboot
8. done
The first time I did this was with up2date, which is why the redhat-release package had to be done explicitly first, it's probably not necessary with apt. This is not a supported upgrade path, even with yum or up2date (which both have the distribution upgrade feature), but many people do it with much success.
A similar question is whether or not you can upgrade Redhat. I'm running version 9 now (newbie here) and tried in frustration to upgrade mysql and php this past weekend. All I could find was rpms for fedora, not red hat. I know redhat is being discontinued, but it was a nightmare for me. I tried to install from the source code, but got stuck in dependancy hell. Since I have a pretty fresh redhat install, I'm considering dumping it for a different distro. I'm currently debating between debian, fedora core 2, and mandrake 10. I may install each one and see what I can handle. Linux definately has a learning curve and I am just not there yet.
A caring soul may have ported some of these RPMs to Fedora Legacy. But upgrading from official release to official release should be supported*. It's just upgrading to/from beta releases and rawhide which is not supported.
* - technically there is no 'official' support from Red Hat for Fedora. But the fedora-list and fedora-test-list mailing lists, as well as bugzilla.redhat.com will get you direct contact with the Red Hat engineers who will gladly help out.
Re:Upgrade
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Anonymous Coward
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Wrong. You can do a net install using anaconda. That is supported.
*Theoretically* you can use the above suggestions to upgrade via yum or apt. I'd suggest using the boot.iso to use anaconda to install over the network, since it is supported. I haven't done any of these though, so YMMV.
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Re:Upgrade
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Anonymous Coward
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Stupid Dumb Debian Idiots don't understand the problems.
How does apt-get upgrade your 'stable' 2.2 LVM configuration to 2.6? Naw, it's reformat time for the Debian Cavemen.
You know, I love Linux and all, but I find it funny the zealots complain about having to reboot Window$ boxes, and then they come along with distro upgrades and they have to reboot twice:)
The first time I did this was with up2date, which is why the redhat-release package had to be done explicitly first, it's probably not necessary with apt.
Correct, it's not necessary with apt. Just start with step 2 of your procedure and it works fine. Because I got my apt sources from 'mirror-select', I edited/etc/apt/sources.list.d/mirror-select.list and changed all the 1s to 2s in the repository URLs. Then 'apt-get update' and away you go.
-- Our intelligent designer has never created an animal that we couldn't improve by strapping a bomb to it.
Not sure why I am responding to flamebait, but what the hell...
Windows boxes have to be rebooted after most software updates and patches. This is STILL true today with Windows XP, although not as bad as it used to be.
Linux boxes usually only have to be rebooted after kernel (read OS) upgrades. I can guarantee if you upgrade from Windows XP to whatever new thing M$ comes up with- that you will have to reboot at least a half-dozen times.
Aside from kernel upgrades, other Linux software updates don't normally require a restart of the box, and may only occasionally require restarting affected daemons.
Not my fault it got marked as flaimbait... It was a legit observation. I wasn't trolling... I mean a reboot when upgrading really isn't all that bad...
And most of the time you install something on XP, it asks you to reboot, if you keep at it, you don't really have to.
You're wrong. A supported way has existed since perhistoric times of RedHat 5.0* and possibly even before that. Simply do an upgrade over the network. You will only need the boot floppies or a stripped down ISO that contains mothing but the installer to start the network upgrade.
Misunderstood the question. Rather than purely "without the ISOs" I read it as "without running the installer." My mistake. Although it seems to have been a useful comment regardless.;)
they are right on schedule
mirrors are available from the fedora site
now if everyone could wait 20min until I've finished downloading
(damn i was hoping to have it finished before/. or osnews posted it)
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Re:right on schedule
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porcelainGOD
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No chance of that happening. Use bit torrent where the more downloaders, the merrier.
Re:shameless karma whoring
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chadm1967
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Would have been a hell of a lot easier to just type:
http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html
Re:shameless karma whoring
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pyros
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yeah, but that wouldn't have been "shameless karma whoring.";)
Re:shameless karma whoring
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GundyRage
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While the web page doesn't show it (http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/), the torrent is ready. Now jump on so I can get faster downloads;) http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/tettnang-binary-i386 -iso.torrent
Newbs read below...
Just cd to the directory that you want the download to start in. Make sure you have at least 2.2 Gigs free on that partition, and run the command below. It will be slowish at first but it will pick up with time. The --max_upload_rate is the maximum kB/s you will upload to others. Use it if your connection is bit sensitive. If you couldn't care less, leave it off and help the rest of the world out.
Get bittorrent here: http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/download. html Or for RH / Fedora users: http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/btrpms/
Command for FC2 bittorrent: [user@system dir]$btdownloadcurses.py --url http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/tettnang-binary-i386 -iso.torrent
That might save the newbie a google or two.
P.S. The above was just cut from an email I sent to a local LUG.
G
Re:shameless karma whoring
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Lord+Kano
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That's why it's called "Karma Whoring".
LK
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Re:shameless karma whoring
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trance9
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i'm seeding the duke torrent now, is that worth any karma?
Re:shameless karma whoring
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mvdde_xh
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Using Bittorrent can get some screaming download speed. Last time I checked there were 2500+ people in the swarm.
What is the largest bittorrent swarm people have seen?
Is there a point where there are too many people and the it slows down the downloads?
Re:shameless karma whoring
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mindfucker
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Hmm... no. But my download speed just went up to 50KB/s, thanks!
Re:shameless karma whoring
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nursedave
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I don't know what I've done wrong; bittorrent has worked before for me, now it isn't. It creates the 0kb files, then just sits there giving me the 'connecting to peers' message. I'm becoming annoyed...
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Re:shameless karma whoring
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mvdde_xh
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make sure you have enough room on the drive for the files. And open the ports to let the peers connect.
Re:shameless karma whoring
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Anonymous Coward
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What is the largest bittorrent swarm people have seen?
IIRC there were about 12000 people on Max Payne 2 from suprnova.
I saw a mention that straight RPM upgrades are strongly discouraged. Upgrade from CDs, or do a net upgrade.
-- People who disagree with you are not automatically evil, greedy, or stupid.
Leaked .torrent Matches
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Kalak
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The md5 sums match the "leaked" torrent, so if you have that, there is no need to re-download even to join the official torrent by getting the.torrent and renaming your directory appropriately.
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Re:Leaked .torrent Matches
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Muerte2
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My friend downloaded the "leaked torrent" and mentioned the he checked the MD5SUM before installing and it did NOT match the MD5s for the official release. I guess YMMV but that's what I'm hearing.
Re:Leaked .torrent Matches
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Kalak
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Opening the official.torrent and pointing it to the renamed directory, checks the files out just fine. Given the reliability of the leaked torrent's tracker, I wouldn't be suprised if some didn't get the complete files before it went to crap. You should (theoretically) be able to do the same rename of the directory with corrupted / incomplete downloads of the leaked torrent and join the official stream, and BT should just pick up where the file is messed up and continue from there. Sure beats starting from scratch.
I d/l the leak with the intention of joining the official stream when it went up, since I've got a server that is a seed with a good sized.edu pipe.
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Re:Leaked .torrent Matches
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pcassell
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The md5sum on the leaked torrent is not the only thing to be worried about, the distributer could have put his own md5sums of a trojaned version of fc2 instead of the actual version.
However, I downloaded it off of the torrent sunday night, and the MD5SUM file was signed with fedora's GPG key. GPG key was verified ok, and so was the md5sum on all iso's. Now, that gurantee's I have the same copy of what was released today, otherwise, you can't trust fedora themselves!
The person who said the md5sums didnt match either tried to hash the files before the entire torrent was finished, or something got corrupted along the way. Mine however, works fine, and it has been for the last day or so.
Re:Leaked .torrent Matches
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Anonymous Coward
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That's pretty much what I'm doing.
I'm now seeding for the offical torrent based on the isos I d/l'ed from the leaked torrent.
You only need to rename the directory from FC2-i386-isos to tettnang-binary-i386-iso.
It should also be noted that the leaked torrent also includes a "boot.iso" (what's that about?).
Say what you will about Fedora/Red Hat, but I've set up 2 Fedora boxes recently for 2 people who have never used Linux, and they've both remarked how well it looks and works. Keep up the good work guys!
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Re:Fedora
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Anonymous Coward
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Yeah, I've been thinking of switching from Debian(Which is great for sysadmins, like me) to Fedora. I don't know anything about other distros, so supporting may be a bit difficult. ( since there's not a standard way for network config, Xfree86 config and so on )
Fedora Core 2 is FAST!
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nsandver-work
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I downloaded Fedora Core 2 using the.torrent that was posted yesterday, and it's fast. Very fast. The combination of the 2.6 kernel, and updated GNOME flies on my P-III 600 compared to FC1. Menus appear in probably half the time they did before, as do Nautilus windows. Download and enjoy! And 'thank you' to the crew who work on Fedora!
Re:Fedora Core 2 is FAST!
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Anonymous Coward
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It may be slower for me. It's probably slower when i click on things, and sort of takes more time to do disk operations.
Re:Fedora Core 2 is FAST!
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Anonymous Coward
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Actually, nautilus is much faster due to the new 'Spatial File manager' that everyone has been flaming about...
Re:Fedora Core 2 is FAST!
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Dunkirk
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And I lost 20 pounds by using it! You can too! Here's how...
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Re:Fedora Core 2 is FAST!
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Jon+Pryor
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Nautilus isn't faster because it's spatial. It's faster because it uses file extensions for MIME-type checking instead of file sniffing. This greatly increases performance, as the disk doesn't need to be accessed for every file in a directory. This is particularly noticable if your directory has thousands of files...
File sniffing is still used in two circumstances:
When the file lacks an extension, such as README or configure.
When the user opens the file. The sniffed MIME-type is compared to the file extension, and if there's a mismatch, Nautilus complains loudly. This is to help prevent trojans, such as a shell script named README.txt, which would imply being a text/plain MIME type but are actually application/x-shellscript.
Re:Fedora Core 2 is FAST!
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wolf31o2
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I don't want anyone to think that this is a put down against Fedora, they do some wonderful work, but nothing that you mentioned has anything to do with Red Hat/Fedora. You should instead be thanking the kernel and Gnome developers for making your distribution faster.
Re:Fedora Core 2 is FAST!
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nsandver-work
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I don't want anyone to think that this is a put down against Fedora, they do some wonderful work, but nothing that you mentioned has anything to do with Red Hat/Fedora. You should instead be thanking the kernel and Gnome developers for making your distribution faster.
You're right. Another heartfelt 'thank you' and many virtual beers to the hardworking hackers of the kernel, GNOME, and all of the other packages without which Linux distros could not be what they are today.
Re:Fedora Core 2 is FAST!
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Anonymous Coward
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It also saved me a bunch of money on my car insurance!
Re:Fedora Core 2 is FAST!
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Anonymous Coward
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Wait, you didn't have to upgrade from your PIII to run a new OS? Unthinkable...
Re:Fedora Core 2 is FAST!
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Anonymous Coward
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Yes, but they got it out a "commercial" version FASTER than anyone else did, making these developments more widely available and better supported. And unlike SuSE will be, this cut is truely free as in "free beer".
Gnome 2.6, KDE 3.2 and Kernel 2.6 (not sure of the specific version.
Re:What's new?
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TheRaven64
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2.6.5 kernel. Not sure about the rest. Oh, and don't install it (dual boot) on a machine running Windows XP without a full backup, since it has been known to make XP unbootable without wiping the partition table and starting again. This problem is being investigated, and there's a fairly active flamewar on the fedora-test list about it.
Does this apply to Win2K as well as WinXP? I sadly need to keep Win2K around for some work-related stuff, so I can't risk randomly nuking it by installing Fedora:).
If I understand it correctly, this problem only occurs when installing from scratch/cd? In other words, if I have Fedora Core 1 installed, and use the yum upgrade method to upgrade to Core 2, I won't have this problem because it won't need to mess with partition tables and such?
Actually I _think_ the problem can happen with updates too... especially if you see the warnings about the installer seeing something funny about your partition table. But honestly fedora hasn't been proactive on the bug and I don't think anyone really knows whats going on.
um... i use the ntloader to dual boot FC1 and XP.
its actually pretty useful..
is this an issue with GRUB or with the distro/kernel?
Re:What's new?
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Anonymous Coward
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I upgraded by making a clean install of FC2, but I did not ask disk druid to change the partition table. I got the bad scary message about misaligned partitions or whatever. I chose "Ignore" (alternative was to cancel installation). Everything seems to have worked fine. Windows and FC2 dual boot okay.
From this experience and from reading some of the bug reports, my guess is that the problem is typically exposed when something (parted or disk druid?) modifies the partition table. If this is the case, use fdisk to make any necessary changes. It is an ancient piece of crud so it's probably hard to it to get broken. Write down the partition table before the upgrade to be extra sure and back up any critical data. Caveat: I'm just another casual user.. I could easily be wrong.
The people who seemed to have a clue of what was up seemed to think it was parted. But YMMV
Re:What's new?
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Anonymous Coward
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It does apply to Win2k. I had to reboot of the floppy disks and run fixmbr from a recovery console. I then partitioned using windows partition tool. After a reinstall using those partitions, everything is working... so far.
Re:What's new?
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alexynr
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I was a bit upset about this bug since I was looking forward to Fedora 2 and all the new features, being a happy Fedora 1 user and all...
But I do have to dual-boot XP as well for work and I also don't have the time/energy to deal with a possible xp re-install..
Then I realised this bug didn't matter at all since I use an Asus P4P800 motherboard at home and a P4P800 deluxe at work...According to the Fedora 2 Release Notes:
Attempts to install Fedora Core 2 on ASUS® motherboards in the P4P800 series may not proceed past the "Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel." message, making installation impossible. No workaround is available at this time. For more information, monitor bug 121819:
Oh well...Guess I'll just have to wait a bit
The problem IMHO will happen with updates where you update the kernel version to 2.6. I've just been reading articles from people who are smarter than me and that seems to be the source of the booting problems.
Bench marks? Reliability?
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www.sorehands.com
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Have there been benchmarks done between Federora and RH 8/9? Is so, where are they? How is reliability as compared to RH 8/9?
The key question is why switch if it is working? And if there is something worthwile, how long should one wait (when things are considered stable) until they switch?
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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hawkbug
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I have found Fedora to suck ass. I'll probably get flamed for this, but I switched to Suse immediately after trying FC1 on 3 machines. It installed on a few, but I found a lot of missing packages I grew accustomed to on RH, one such one being pine. I know it's a licensing thing, but seriously, get over it people. Also, I had RH 9 on a box and I tried to upgrade it to FC1. It's a bad sign when the installer crashes consistently in the same section over and over again as I try to reinstall. Sure enough, this was a bug in FC1 that several people on news groups had also mentioned. So, FC1 was not even close to stable and usable for me. I'm happily using Suse 9 right now, even though I could do without the yast garbage always reconfiguring my apps on it's own.
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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Anonymous Coward
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DOS still works. So does CP/M. Why switch?
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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pyros
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If you switched because you didn't like Fedora because pine was missing, then that's dumb. That just sounds like you wanted to give yourself an excuse. Do you prefer KDE to GNOME? Do you prefer a single comprehensive tool to do system configuration and package upgrades? If so, then Suse is definately for you. Sounds like Yast kinda rubs you the wrong way though. The last time I tried Suse, I did read, probably on the suse mailing lists, various tricks so that Yast wouldn't stomp on config file changes, or how to make Yast just not even touch those config files (meaning Yast could no longer be used for those config tasks). Anyhow that's my take on using Suse, or even Mandrake, over Red Hat and Fedora. If you like GNOME, then Red Hat has the most well integrated offerings. If you like individual tools to configure different hardware/software, that usually don't undo your own tweaks, then Red Hat is for use. Otherwise use Suse, Mandrake, Xandros, Lindows, Lycoric, Libranet, or pretty much anything that isn't Red Hat.
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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JediTrainer
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Pfft. I've run across missing pine too. So I downloaded it and installed it. Geez.
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Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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Anonymous Coward
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Fortunately, we're not talking about FC1 here, now are we?
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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hawkbug
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It's not that Pine was the only reason I didn't install - it was a part of it, but not the only reason. Imagine ever server on your network requiring pine. Then imagine having to install FC1 on them, and then manually download and install it for every one because Pico was your main text editor and Pine was your required email interface. Then imagine the anaconda installer crashing on your during an upgrade, and then a complete resinstall would also not work on common hardware. Trust me, I did not WANT to move away from the only linux distro I had ever used in my life - I had to. I hate the yast part of Suse where it modifies my configs. But, atleast Suse installs correctly and has a ton of packages available to it.
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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Anonymous Coward
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Have there been benchmarks done between Federora and RH 8/9? Is so, where are they?
Fedora Core 2 has been officially out for about 4 hours so it's doubtful any *good* benchmarks have been run yet (where good is NOT "it looks faster to me! clicking on windows is better!").
How is reliability as compared to RH 8/9?
My (non core 2) fedora servers have uptime comparable to my RH servers (gotta patch those kernels, otherwise reboots are for serious hardware failures).
The key question is why switch if it is working?
Features, performance, support. Unless you roll your own packages/kernels, then just the 2.6 kernel may make it worthwhile.
And if there is something worthwile, how long should one wait (when things are considered stable) until they switch?
You don't wait. You get the software now, you install it on a test server, you see if it meets your needs, and if it does then you plan on downtime to do your production servers.
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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hawkbug
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NO, but FC1 would be a better indicator of FC2 than RH9 would be. If FC1 sucked, people would be less likely to bother with 2.
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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rgsmith
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I, too, switched from RH9 to FC1, though I did a complete wipe/reinstall. I had no issues with the install. HOWEVER...
Being quite the LINUX n00b, I have always had trouble with RH/Fedora not having (what *I* consider to be) acceptable multimedia applications built into the distro. Also, being a n00b, the issue isn't figuring out how to install them, it's figuring out what apps to install.
So... I too switched to SuSE, am running 9.1, and having no issues.
Best of luck to the RH/Fedora group - no hard feelings, I have just found SuSE to be more tailored to my skills and needs out-of-the-box.
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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hawkbug
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Yeah, do it for a ton of machines every damn time you have to do a fresh install. It gets old quick.
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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Anonymous Coward
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Yeah, do it for a ton of machines every damn time you have to do a fresh install. It gets old quick.
Learn to make your own packages.
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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hawkbug
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Once again, how does this help? Whether I get the package from another website or my own, I still have to install seperate from the actual install. It's a pain either way, and very stupid to have removed it from the distro.
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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Anonymous Coward
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NO, but FC1 would be a better indicator of FC2 than RH9 would be.
I can dig that.
If FC1 sucked, people would be less likely to bother with 2.
Yeah, b/c RH 4.2 was the bomb, and linux distros aren't known for taking community criticism and becoming better!
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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Kalak
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Patches! RH 8/9 is past EOL and is not patched by redhat. Fedora Leagcy is working on patching these system, but where I have nothing holding me back (damn legacy apps), I've switched to a newer release.
I won't compare other distros, but FC has been as solid as RedHat, including my install of RHES I use as a workstation to develop for the servers I run. I find RHES too limiting, and prefer to work on my FC installs. Been great for the 3 machines I have it on. Desktop, Notebook and one Server (my home server runs FC, work used RHES). Server is still running FC 1. Desktop and notebook have had the FC 2 tests since the beginning. No crashes, no problems with my hardware, etc.
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Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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brsmith4
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Make your own CD image (its really easy), add an rpm for pine (redhat 9's should work fine), add it to the install list, viola. Burn a new set of CDs and install. Your pine troubles are over.
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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Anonymous Coward
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At work there are various apps we install post-OS install, so adding one more to the mix is no big deal (well, unless we spend most of our time whining about it on/.).
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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macroslash
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Pine isn't Free Software and never has been. Blame the authors of the software for their choice of license, Fedora.
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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ChangeOnInstall
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My primary work use of my computer is Java development, typically using Eclipse+Tomcat, but with a reasonable chunk of general purpose stuff (web/email/office) too.
RH8 was very good to me, very few problems. I was surprised given the amount of new stuff that went into it.
RH9 was okay once I figured out that somehow my Athlon 1100/motherboard/memory had bit the dust. (It was crashing every night at 4:02am running updatedb until then).
FC1 is about the best Linux I've ever used. The only problems I've encountered are: Nautilus likes to crash way too often. Evolution is a little more unstable then I'd like (I almost think it's annoyed at some of the wacky things spammers stick in messages). The updater didn't work out of the box. Work machine has a 174 day uptime (meaning it hasn't been rebooted since it was installed). Home machine's uptime indicates day I moved into current residence.
FC2 is now running on my laptop. No problems yet, but i've only used it for an hour or so. I will say that I'm quite pleased to see that when I plugin in my USB flash card reader, an icon shows up in Nautilus' "Computer" folder. When I unplug it, it goes away. It seems to at least run Java and Eclipse with no issues yet.
-- What has *science* done?!? -- Dr. Weird (ATHF)
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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pyros
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Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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el-spectre
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FYI, Fedora 1 (and presumably 2) ships with an editor called "nano", that is (I believe) Pico w/o all of pine and the licensing issues.
It has the added benefit that you won't get harassed for abusing Pine by vi freaks quite so much (yeah, right...)
-- "Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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Aadain2001
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LOL, FC1 has pine! It just doesn't install it by default. During package selection, just click on the check box next to pine (it's in the email or internet grouping). And if you have to install this across thousands of machines, well that is what kickstart is there to help you with. Get one good install with all the packages you want, generate a kickstart file, and goto town on all your other servers. All the complaints I seem to hear about RH/FC are simples fixes that people never take the time to learn how to fix. That is what news groups, mailing lists, websites, forums, etc... are all for! Use them!
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Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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brsmith4
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Yes, I know. A viola is a cousin of the violin. And I think I know what I think it means (do not comment on the last statement, it'll make you the fool). Pardon my spelling of voila, I'm a musician and viola comes naturally. Oh, and please spare me the elitism. Its not for you to point out anyone's foibles. By the way, there should be a period between word and I. That is a blantant example of a horrid comma splice.
There, how does it feel?
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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blane.bramble
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Two words: "network kickstart".
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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mindfucker
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You may not care about using Free software, fine. That doesn't mean Fedora "sucks ass". Quite the contrary. You should give such distributions and their users (Debian, Fedora) some respect, since they're sacrificing their own short-term convenience for everybody's (including your own) long-term prosperity.
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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hawkbug
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Because if FC1 is what RH says it is, aka the replacement for their RH versions of their OS, it should run on a server just fine. I have many servers running standard RH releases just fine - so no, I'm not an idiot. You are proving my point - people wouldn't dare use FC for a server because it's not what RH says it is - which is a replacement. It's not stable in my expierence, and it's not as functional because of some lacking packages.
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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pyros
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Have you never seen The Princess Bride? I was quoting that movie in an attempt at humorously pointing out my irritation with the common mistake of typing viola instead of voila. At first I wanted to say something where the link to dictionary.com would be on the word cello, but couldn't come up with anything decent. Guess I should have included a smiley but I thought it would have been ovbious my post was more a joke opportunity than grammer nazi.
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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brsmith4
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Well, you have to admit, that was kind of obscure humor, but now that I get it, kudos to you. Sorry if I came back kind of harsh.
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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Anonymous Coward
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Maybe he's from Isreal, and don't know English or French? Maybe his computer is infected by virii? Maybe he found a pine package that's incompatable with his distrobution? There you've got a number of plausible explanations, violoncello!
"I see stupid people. They don't even know they're stupid."
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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gwhalin
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I run several servers with FC1 and have zero problems with them. Direct upgrades from RH9.
-- Greg Whalin
greg@whalin.com
Re:Bench marks? Reliability?
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Harlequin
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Obscure? Bah. Brush up on your geek movies:)...
Pyros, that was the funniest comment I've read all week.
I gotta say, I prefer it when the slashdot folk dont jump the gun. I couldn't get the torrent going from the first announcement on Saturday & got all excited for nothing:(
wondering...
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Anonymous Coward
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was the unofficial one yesterday pre-rootkit install or not?
My thoughts
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 0, Flamebait
Given Red Hat's recent announcement that Red Hat Linux and Fedora Linux are merging into the Fedora Project, I thought I would see what Fedora was like. I began by downloading the source files for Fedora Core 1. Installation was fairly straightforward, and my Philips monitor and SiS onboard video were detected correctly. I recommend using the optional CD media test provided to test all CDs before launching the graphic installer, as it can save you time by finding out immediately if one of the CDs is faulty. I chose the automatic partitioning option and the Personal Desktop install. While the packages are installing, the estimated remaining time is shown. An overall progress bar shows the name, description and size of each package as it's installed. A graphic changes periodically, providing details about the dev-log mailing list, the Fedora Web site and the Fedora IRC channels.
Once the installation was finished and the computer had rebooted, a post-installation menu appeared. This menu included a license agreement, the facility to set the date and time (including support for NTP servers), user account creation (including NIS or Kerberos support), a sound card test and an option to use additional CDs. Basically, Fedora is a shining penny in a bucket of shite.The usual Red Hat firewall script for iptables (GNOME Lokkit) is enabled by default. Simplified options are shown from redhat-config-securitylevel during the installation of Fedora to allow you to enable common services, such as a Web server, and to allow a device to be trusted, for example, a network card on a local network. On the topic of security, Zebra has been replaced by the Quagga Software
I was looking at the Fedora site a while ago and noticed the url to download 1 but no mention of 2, curious I put in the url for FC1 and changed the 1 to a 2 and lo and behold, FC2 final!!! I promptly started up wget and started getting 120 K/s, awesome I thought, I'll be done in no time!!! Then a couple minutes later I noticed it had dropped to about 8, curious I reloaded the Fedora site and saw my ingeniously obtained URL prominently displayed on the download page. Ahh well, off to bittorrent...
I got these URLS from FedoraForum.org:
Fedora Core 2 ISOs:
ftp://redhat.secsup.org/pub/linux/redhat/fedora/co re/2/i386/iso/FC2-i386-disc1.iso
ftp://redhat.secsup.org/pub/linux/redhat/fedora/co re/2/i386/iso/FC2-i386-disc2.iso
ftp://redhat.secsup.org/pub/linux/redhat/fedora/co re/2/i386/iso/FC2-i386-disc3.iso
ftp://redhat.secsup.org/pub/linux/redhat/fedora/co re/2/i386/iso/FC2-i386-disc4.iso
I'm downloading at 230 Kbytes/second on my 3Mb DSL line (just upgraded for this event). Of course, give me about 10 more minutes to get the final ISO before everyone bogs down the server to 2.3 Kbytes/second.:-)
-- SPAM solution made easy: 1 spammer, 5 cords of rope, 5 hourses, and fireworks. Be creative.
too bad no firewire
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treat
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Too bad there is no firewire. Although in bugzilla it was marked as blocking the release, clearly someone thought that it was more important to stick to the schedule than to have working drivers. Firewire worked fine for me with vanilla 2.6.0, so it is quite sad to not see it working in the Fedora release.
Especially since 2.6 fixes a lot of hot-swap problems, I'm worried how many new Linux users will try this out and be quite disappointed when firewire does not work at all.
Re:too bad no firewire
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TheRaven64
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· Score: 4, Informative
According to the test list, FireWire support was very buggy and caused a lot of systems to have problems even when FireWire was not in use. It was decided better to not include it, since that would cause fewer problems for most people.
Re:too bad no firewire
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Anonymous Coward
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I'm worried how many new Linux users will try this out and be quite disappointed when firewire does not work at all.
I would estimate ~5.
Re:too bad no firewire
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luguvalium2
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Here is the bug number for this: 119262 There is a posted workaround there, and mention on the fedora-test-list that a fix was submitted to CVS but too late for the final release. It may show up in a future kernel update.
Re:too bad no firewire
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Anonymous Coward
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Or SuSE
Re:too bad no firewire
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Anonymous Coward
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If Firewire is broken in Fedora, it's probably broken in Suse as well. (note that Works For Me doesn't mean it's not broken)
It's somewhat good that Fedora is proactive and disables crap that doesn't work properly for support reasons. I'm sick of Linux distros shipping dogshit just because some code is floating around the internet. Another example is the 'read only' NTFS drivers that sometimes cause CHKDSK to scream.
Re:too bad no firewire
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justsomebody
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There is a little difference, while Linux distros have errors, there's a single error in Windows. Complete OS.
-- Signature Pro version 1.13.2-3 release 83.5 beta3try7 after-breakfast edition
Mod parent down
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Anonymous Coward
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the link is on nero-online, I'm pretty sure they'll change it to something offensive soon.
And meta-mods, meta-mod this as unfair, when don't wait those who modded this to get mod points again.
Does anyone know if this version of Fedora Core works at a higher-res than 1024 in Virtual PC? When I tried using a higher-res the screen went nuts and nothing short of blowing the virtual drive away and reinstalling Fedora Core would fix this. I'm assuing this is a problem with the S3 emulated video card in Virtual PC and the drivers being used by FC.
Does this release run at all in VirtualPC? None of the test releases even booted in VirtualPC (although the install ran fine), crashing with an unrecoverable processor error.
Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Core 2
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cbowland
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Be sure to watch out for this one. It has already caught some folks here unaware.
http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?i d=115980
--
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day.
Teach him to eat and he will fish forever.
Mod story +1 Funny
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menscher
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mkool writes "Exactly on schedule.
Yes, exactly on schedule. Right. Did you not notice that their schedule was revised about 5 times along the way? I remember the release date being for May 3 at one point.
Or perhaps this was a subtle attempt at humor?
That said, I'm really looking forward to trying it out. It's a real mess trying to decide between RH9+legacy, FC1, FC2, RHEL, and WhiteBox. Oh, how I long for the simple days of RH9!
Did you not notice that their schedule was revised about 5 times along the way?
Mail me when you run into a project that never revises their schedule.
Thank you.
Two things worth noting....
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HunterWare
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a) Per bugzilla bugs 113202 and 115980 people are getting corrupted partition tables after installing FC2 (and the previous test versions). This is a known bug, but the release shipped anyhow... (wierd)
b) NVidia drivers don't work with this release do to a kernel patch (the "4K Stack" patch). Seems to be an even split on who should fix this, but the end result is no nvidia drivers for people using this release (at the moment).
Re:Two things worth noting....
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Eitch
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I tried the newest development version of Fedora Core and it worked fine with the nvidia drivers and my card.
Re:Two things worth noting....
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lightsaber1
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What about ATI's drivers? It'll be nice if my 9700 works at full power after I install this...and it was a real pig to get them to work on FC1.
Re:Two things worth noting....
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canadianjoe
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FYI: for b), it's the binary nvidia drivers from nvidia that do not work. the default "nv" drivers work fine, but with no 3D support (AFAIK).
Re:Two things worth noting....
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Thagg
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· Score: 5, Interesting
The 4KSTACK change is inevitable, unstoppable, and also foreshowed long in advance. There are too many benefits, especially when running large numbers of threads.
NVidia will release a new driver compatible with 4KSTACKS soon. It's a pity that they aren't available now, because Fedora Core 2 looks like a very exciting distribution otherwise.
Thad Beier
-- I love Mondays. On a Monday, anything is possible.
Re:Two things worth noting....
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oldgeezer1954
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Hmmm 113202 shows as some unicode issue as far as I can see but I was bitten by 115980.
I can't say it will work for everyone, wrt 115980, but after much teeth and hair pulling I discovered that changing my bios settings for hdd's from auto to lba32 resolved the issue right away. Something worth a shot for anyone who falls foul of it.
Re:Two things worth noting....
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juhaz
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They don't work straight out of the package, however, there are (unofficial) patches that make 'em work.
Of course, that'll only make them work with 2.6 & Fedora patches and X.org, the rest is same as with FC1 (except that XF86Config is now xorg.conf), which isn't really that hard if you know how... I had hard time with it in FC1 too, until I realized that internal AGPGART in ATI drivers didn't work with NForce2, after turning that off... piece of cake.
Relevant portions of my current (FC2) xorg.conf looks like this:
The only differences from original rh config file are commented out load extmod, and the lines followed by #ati comments.
Hope it helps.
logic of continental segregation?
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glrotate
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Shouldn't there just be a single torrent with multiple trackers?
Re:logic of continental segregation?
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pyros
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Shouldn't there just be a single torrent with multiple trackers?
You'll notice that for each continental list of torrents, there is a list of 5-7 different torrents (binary CD, source CD, amd 64 bit cd, dvd, etc)
Re:logic of continental segregation?
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Anonymous Coward
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Hey dufus, the goal is to have less bits crossing the Atlantic since those pipes are narrow. Multiple trackers won't create such a division. You would still have people in different continents sending to each other which is not what you want.
Re:logic of continental segregation?
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pyros
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Shouldn't there just be a single torrent with multiple trackers?
You'll notice that for each continental list of torrents, there is a list of 5-7 different torrents (binary CD, source CD, amd 64 bit cd, dvd, etc)
and if i had read the subject of both your post and my reply, i wouldn't look like such a tard.
Re:Matrox users beware...
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ozzy_cow
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According to this: Dual-head AGP video cards "just work"
on my g450 I'm using mgapdesk on RH9 with varying degree of success. In another words, it's piece of crap. I'm due for an upgrade
Re:Matrox users beware...
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Anonymous Coward
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I had my g550 break during an up2date of RH9... identical symptoms to the FC1-2 issue... a carefully crafted XF86Config may fix the problem. I found playing with the serverlayout fixed my problems...
How reliable is Bittorrent?
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RichiP
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· Score: 2, Interesting
my bittorrent download of the leak a few days ago kept going up and down. Sometimes I'd kill -9 the python process. I'm just wondering if there's a chance I might have corrupted my copy in this way (it's still downloading so i can't MD5SUM it). Also, if one of the machines on the bittorrent network have a corrupted copy, how will this affect others downloading it? Are there partial checksums?
Re:How reliable is Bittorrent?
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tuffy
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Bittorrent will fixed broken bits of files automatically. It won't upload junk to people, either. So feel free to restart it and it'll take care of the rest.
--
Ita erat quando hic adveni.
Re:How reliable is Bittorrent?
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AT
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· Score: 2, Informative
Just let it finish. Check the MD5SUMs when you are done, but they shouldn't be wrong, even if you've "kill -9"ed it. If, on the off chance they are, just run bittorrent again, and it will automatically find the corrupt chunks and redownload them.
Bittorrent is very good at ensuring the downloaded files are correct.
Re:How reliable is Bittorrent?
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Rakshasa+Taisab
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You're guaranteed to get an uncorrupted file if you use a bittorrent client that doesn't 'cheat' when does checksum on the chunks as it restarts a download. Every chunk in the torrent has it's own checksum. (usually one per 0.5-1.0 mb)
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These characters were randomly selected.
Re:How reliable is Bittorrent?
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TheRaven64
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· Score: 4, Informative
The.torrent file contains hashes for each of the sections in the file. If you download corrupted sections, you will get them again. If your file is corrupted then the next time you start the client it will scan the file to see which bits have been downloaded correctly and re-fetch the ones that have not.
Re:How reliable is Bittorrent?
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faqmaster
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I've had the same issue with other large BT downloads. My machine is behind a Linksys router, which I would have to reset occasionally. I think it's because of all the incomming connections once you have a portion of the file and others start to download it from you. Resetting the router was all it took to get back to speedy downloading (i.e. I didn't have to kill btdownloadcurses, etc.)
-- Are you...Are you some kind of genius?
No, ma'am, I'm just a regular Slashdot reader.
Re:How reliable is Bittorrent?
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po_boy
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Re:How reliable is Bittorrent?
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MKalus
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I had the problem with the old Bittorrent version 3.4.1 I think there was a bug when too many connections where open it would just crash.
3.4.1a fixes this and it is now rock solid, regardless of how many connections I have open within bittorrent.
-- If you want to e-mail me, use my PGP Key.
getting around the IP blocks
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novakane007
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· Score: 3, Interesting
I know there is are several commonly used tools that are ommited from fedora to avoid the IP issues. playing DVDs, Samba and a couple of others. Does anyone have a link to howto on what needs to be installed after the install to make it a regular useful distro?
If the packages you look for are not there, they may be released soon.
Re:getting around the IP blocks
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pyros
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· Score: 5, Informative
I know there is are several commonly used tools that are ommited from fedora to avoid the IP issues. playing DVDs, Samba and a couple of others. Does anyone have a link to howto on what needs to be installed after the install to make it a regular useful distro?
Samba is included, as is the new CIFs driver which replaces smbfs. What isn't included is the NTFS read-only driver module, which you can download as a binary RPM from linux-ntfs. As for the other stuff, I like to use the fedora.us + livna.org* repositories. There is also freshrpms, ATrpms, Dag Wieers, and Planet CCRMA. There are others, and be warned that Dag Wieers and Axel Thim (atrpms) are in a pissing match over Dag obsoleting at least one of Axel's packages for naming it "wrong". (look at the April acrhives of the freshrpms mailing list with some fresh popcorn).
* - The livna.org front page still says they are down and lists the mirror. The rpm.livna.org repo is actually back up, they just never bothered to update the main page to say so.
Re:getting around the IP blocks
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jhunsake
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There are others, and be warned that Dag Wieers and Axel Thim (atrpms) are in a pissing match over Dag obsoleting at least one of Axel's packages for naming it "wrong". (look at the April acrhives of the freshrpms mailing list with some fresh popcorn).
What is the thread title? I see no significant discussion between Dag and Axel.
Re:getting around the IP blocks
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pyros
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· Score: 1
sorry, the May archive. Start of thread is here. It starts off about ClamAV 0.70. Enjoy.
Re:getting around the IP blocks
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ZaMoose
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· Score: 2, Interesting
-- I wish I had a kryptonite cross, because then you could keep Dracula and Superman away.
Re:getting around the IP blocks
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Eric+Smith
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and be warned that Dag Wieers and Axel Thim (atrpms) are in a pissing match over Dag obsoleting at least one of Axel's packages for naming it "wrong".
Personally, I don't give a flying f*$# about Axel's packages, because although he does prove SRPMs and.spec files, he refuses to make his custom scripts needed to rebuild the packages available. He won't even answer email on this subject. It's a shame, because he does usually seem to do a pretty good job of packaging, but I often need to rebuild things.
Has anyone else noticed that a Google search on Total Disaster returns Fedora Core 2 as the #2 hit? It was #1 last week. Hopefully this release will push us even further away from such an undignified title.
Re:Google & Fedora
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Anonymous Coward
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Not for me, it's number 4.
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Damn spyware modifying my google results...
"I'd kill -9 the _python_ process"
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 0
I have never had as many problems getting a linux ditro running on my machine as I have with the Fedora series (I'm running Fedora core 2 pre-3 or whatever it was.) OK, maybe back in the 1.2.13 kernel days it was a bit more difficult, but given how far things have come, I really think Fedora is moving in the opposite direction in terms of Penguiny-goodness.
My biggest problem has been getting GRUB to boot my OSes correctly. I have one of those bugy BIOSes that necessitates some configuration magic when installing GRUB. Knoppix had no problem with this. Fedora, even though it is supposed to be a cinch to install, caused me to go two weeks without both my OSes booting correctly. This may just be a GRUB thing, but if you're creating a distribution, you're graded on the quality of those things that you choose to include.
Next up is the up2date thing. I've lived in RPM hell since the Redhat 4.0 days, and I'm not really sure why I still endure it. By now, the fact that I still can't get a DVD or MP3 player installed with a simple command line statement or GUI tool is simply absurd. It's generally a multistep proecess: download foo-3.3-2.rpm for five minutes, try to install it to find out it depends on bar-1.2-3.rpm, so I download that for another five minutes, try to install that to find that baz-0.2-23-monkeychowder.rpm depends on bar-1.2-2.rpm and that by installing anything more recent, I'm just screwed. Am I the only person that finds this completely unacceptable?
And I could go on. Still, I'm planning on going home tonight and torrenting the new ISO, apparently because I like pain (acquired and accustomed to over the course of 10 years of using linux...).
many of those reasons are also why many Linux User Groups has started reccomending that new users do NOT touch fedora and they have even stopped supporting it as a group replaced with Mandrake or SuSE instead.
Fedora is having a rough time making the transition from redhat control to an open/free project.
I'm waiting for Fedora core 4 or 5 befoer rthey sort out all the problems they are having... BTW, the installer STILL borks on some ATI mobility chipsets in laptops causing massive artifacting problems... Mandrake and others don't show this problems so it is a Fedora specific problem.
as for the major XP hosing bug, they really need to put up warnings about it all over the place. we had at least one users in the LUG ask for help as he hosed the entire XP install on his machine because of it. (I assumed it was a feature:-)
Fedora will hopefully come around, it's just having lots of growing and management pains right now.
The yum package manager comes with FC and you can easily add apt, if you prefer it to yum; both these tools take care of all dependencies and will download and install all necessary packages automatically (ex: if you tell yum to install packageA and this one needs packageB and packageC, yum will get and install all three for you). Using either from the command line is quite simple, once you've pointed to a repository in their config files (the one I use is freshrpms.net, which has apt and yum repositories which includes all the base files plus extra packages that are not included, such as DVD players, mp3 support, etc.; you will also find simple instructions to use all these goodies).
In the case of yum, you add this to/etc/yum.conf: (check on freshrpms.net for their sample yum.conf files)
Next up is the up2date thing. I've lived in RPM hell since the Redhat 4.0 days, and I'm not really sure why I still endure it. By now, the fact that I still can't get a DVD or MP3 player installed with a simple command line statement or GUI tool is simply absurd. It's generally a multistep proecess: download foo-3.3-2.rpm for five minutes, try to install it to find out it depends on bar-1.2-3.rpm, so I download that for another five minutes, try to install that to find that baz-0.2-23-monkeychowder.rpm depends on bar-1.2-2.rpm and that by installing anything more recent, I'm just screwed. Am I the only person that finds this completely unacceptable?
Yes, you are. Because everyon else has already figured out by now that not only does up2date support apt and yum repositories, but RH also ships yum as part of fedora. Look here for a list of repos who support both apt and yum. You can add these sources to/etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources and use up2date for automagic dependency resolving across repos to install new packages and upgrade existing ones. To get a GUI that supports external repos you will have to go with apt/synaptic though. The up2date GUI only supports upgrades (not installation or removal, and I know the CLI supports installation and removal, I'm talking about GUI only now). There is no yum GUI that I know of.
Re:bitchfest
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Anonymous Coward
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synaptic is a nice apt gui. apt-get install synaptic
Re:bitchfest
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Anonymous Coward
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Yeah, if your grandma can do it you should be able to. If you don't like it, code your own solution. People like you are why Microsoft exists. And Microsoft sucks, So you suck.
You probably thought we were going to give you some help. But we are Linux 3133t15ts who despise anyone who can't tickle our liberal, intellectual side.
Worst of all, people like you force us to reconcile the reality that Linux stinks with our own precariously-built belief system. So we hate, hate, hate you.
Use yum. It comes on Fedora (at least my box here, FC1, has it). Type 'yum install xmms' and it will go download the header files for a dependancy check, prompt you to let it download the RPMs for the dependancies, then download and install XMMS. Try it and see, RPM hell is a thing of the past.
-- Evil will always win, because Good is DUMB
Re:bitchfest
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Anonymous Coward
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Yeah, at least in my experience, up2date comes broken out of the box. It's points at some worthless heavily overloaded RedHat servers, plus it's shitty network handling (Python's fault?) causes packages to get "signature errors" during download, with zero recourse. (Plus as an added newbie feature, it allows you to install corrupted donwloads.)
Thus to even get your system patched, you have to wander around forum links, read a bunch of contradictory information about everyone's fav update tool, read the "yum" documentation, and hack text files to use the up2date mirrors.
For all the griefing about how Windows users don't patch, it's shocking how totally crappy Fedora's user experience is here. This is not even remotely close to "Windows Update".
I can't help you with GRUB. Regarding up2date, however, I recommend using yum (or apt) instead. Yum comes with the distribution, and it works wonderfully well, once you have substituted the appropriate mirrors for the defaults in/etc/yum.conf. There are several web sites that have information and tutorials on using yum (and apt), such as http://fedoranews.org, www.xades.com, www.geekspeak.org, www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraHOWTO , www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraSources http://fedora.ar too.net/faq/samples/yum.conf
Your can also modify/etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources so that up2date works properly. (See the above web sites.)
Re:bitchfest
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Anonymous Coward
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As for grub -- I got it working (dualboot SCSI/IDE) using the barely documented "d" option. Apprarenlty grub just ignores what you tell it unless you use this option.:P
PS: Grub is an overly-designed POS. LILO was a hack, but why does the replacement have to be a be-all-end-all thing that has it's own naming scheme and command shell? This is pure RTFM Unix Asshole software.
Maybe someone can beg IBM to donate the OS/2 Boot Mangler.
Re:bitchfest
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Anonymous Coward
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WHY AREN'T YOU USING APT-FOR-RPM OR YUM?
You goober go to freshrpms.net and get Apt for RPM
once installed you just type "apt-get install xine" for example and it will install your media player to perfection and solve all dependencies.
There are also switches to solve deps in up2date too you know!
I use up2date, apt-get, and yum (FC1) and there hasn't been anything I couldn't conquer.
You can even use them to obtain the one little file that's missing on a failed dependency issue, in case you didn't realize...
A correction to a URL: Change "geekspeak.org" to "geekspeek.org"
Re:bitchfest
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Anonymous Coward
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You need to use third-party sources for DVD and MP3 playback. If you use yum, edit your/etc/yum.conf to include the following lines (look for additional mirrors near you, and include them as well; yum works with multiple repositories)
I believe that a similar solution exists for apt, although I haven't used it myself.
Re:bitchfest
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Anonymous Coward
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It's points at some worthless heavily overloaded RedHat servers
That it does. One of the drawbacks of having a popular distro. Too bad.
From here on, it's all FUD.
plus it's shitty network handling (Python's fault?) causes packages to get "signature errors" during download, with zero recourse.
Does not, never seen one.
(Plus as an added newbie feature, it allows you to install corrupted donwloads.)
And does not.
Thus to even get your system patched, you have to wander around forum links
Wrong.
read a bunch of contradictory information about everyone's fav update tool
Wrong.
read the "yum" documentation
True. Not different from any other distribution with text based update tools, nobody gets "apt-get install foo" from mothers milk any more than they get "yum install foo".
and hack text files to use the up2date mirrors.
Wrong. Yum is configured by default and has working (though the same slowish ones) servers.
Fedora is having a rough time making the transition from redhat control to an open/free project.
I've used Fedora Core 1 for quite a while, and I found the transition from RH9 to be completely seamless.
BTW, the installer STILL borks on some ATI mobility chipsets in laptops causing massive artifacting problems...
What do you mean by this? I had problems with various colors showing up around the edge of antialiased fonts with my ATI mobility chip, but this was because RGB sub-pixel hinting was automatically selected. Some people consider this a feature, but I consider it to be ugly. I had to hack the font configuration manually to fix this in "/etc/fonts/local.conf".
The trick is to unconditionally assign the "rgba" setting the value "unknown". It seems to already be assigned the value "rgb" when the radeon driver is starting.
Re:bitchfest
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Anonymous Coward
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the problem is in the INSTALLER that also fails sometimes if you dont turn on DMA for the cd drive with a command line "allowcddma" which is 100% unacceptable for a newbie to have to type.
I suggest you look at the fedora bugzilla and see the numerous bugs listed in the installer and how it fails and has HUGE problems that still are not resolved.
and the post mentioned "SOME" ati mobility chipsets.. cince ati has no less than 30 different mobility chips you were lucky and have one of the 7 that work flawlessly.
I suggest you actually research things. Fedora is a mess compared to REdhat 9 and they have a really long way to go before they are back to rh9 quality.
nVidia driver HOWTO
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DennisZeMenace
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There are many forums out there that will explain in great details. For example, see here.
The fast version: the Nvidia driver will NOT work with FC2's kernel because of the 4KSTACKS problem. Unfortunately, FC2's kernel no longer has the config option to disable this new "feature", so you will need to:
- recompile a new kernel (i.e. a stock kernel). For example, 2.6.5-bk2, or 2.6.6-bk4
- make sure to use Fedora's own config files (from/usr/src/linux-2.6.5-1.358/configs), and turn off the options CONFIG_4KSTACKS and CONFIG_REGPARM
Umm if I understood the story right, it's the stock kernel that has disabled it. So I don't think you'll have much luck unless you hack it yourself. FC2 simply hasn't changed the stock default.
Kjella
-- Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
No, FC doesn't include the patch that provides the 4KSTACKS options, while the bk patches have that option (hence my recommendation of using 2.6.5-bk or 2.6.6-bk). I'm running FC2 with the nVidia driver as i'm typing this.
DZM
Re:nVidia driver HOWTO
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DrWhizBang
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... or just wait a couple of weeks until nvidia updates their drivers. I'm running FC1 at home, and there's no way I'm upgrading it until there has been a bit of "soak time" for new drivers to come out, and for third parties to update their package repositories. I don't really have time to mess around with a broken system (nor would my wife and kids tolerate it.)
-- Schrodinger's cat is either dead or really pissed off...
Then please someone explain me why I'm downloading at 7KiB/s and uploading at 30 KiB/s ? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around? (and alot faster for the download speed) I tried BitTorrent many times and always had the same result in other words, WTF? How come other people have these wonderful transfer rates that I have yet to see to believe it. BitTorrent is a conspiracy I tell ya!
-- This is a stolen sig.
WHY MOD THE WHORE UP?!
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Anonymous Coward
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That's what I don't get. He just posted the god damn mirrors list straight off of redhat, and he didn't AC to do it. So isn't this the point where the "good mods" go in and overrate this sun'bitch because he's just abusing the system and he certainly acknolwedges that? Double-You-Tee-Eff, mate.
Re:WHY MOD THE WHORE UP?!
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Anonymous Coward
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It is the reverse psychology thing. Like when somebody says "this may sound like a troll but..." and then continues to post a troll post. It invariably gets modded up. See also "It's a joke - laugh" for not-so-funny posts and "I know I am going to get flamed but..." for flamebait.
This might sound like shameless karma whoring, but you're forgetting "mod me down if you want, but..."
-- I'm looking to get rich. I've got steps #2 (????) and #3 (PROFIT!) planned out, but am having trouble coming up with #1.
Re:WHY MOD THE WHORE UP?!
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Anonymous Coward
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Colour me astounded. I had to read your post twice to make sure it was real. Are you SERIOUSLY bothered by someone posting links like that (even though we all knew where to get them anyways) ? It sounds like you need to straighten out what you feel is 'really' important.
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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GundyRage
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This can be avoided by not dual booting to Windows. Not booting to Windows is also known to have other positive side effects.;)
Lighten up - Its a joke.
G
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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Jodka
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Some of us consider that to be a feature.
-- Ceci n'est pas une signature.
Re:Link to eMule
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chefren
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Why bother (in this case) when bittorrent is much faster?
Over here in hong kong not only fo we not seem to have any of our own mirrors on this little island but neither are then bittorrent trackers for asia boo hoo. Anyone know of any around?
Re:Asia Servers
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Anonymous Coward
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Between SARS and the Bird Flu I don't blame groups from shunning your infected island like the plague...
That was just a little mean m8, however what we lose from infections we gain in cheap computer parts shipped from taiwan. So ner
Re:very useful
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TheRaven64
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Every single byte in a file affects the MD5Sum, making it very difficult to modify a file and have the MD5Sum remain constant. This is even more difficult if you want to include something specific in the file (like a trojan), since you would need some garbage to compensate (and a nice big supercomputer to work out exactly what that garbage should be). On the other hand, perhaps you have a simple way of doing it. If so, perhaps you could give me a string (of any length) which matches the following MD5Sum:
Download something like ABC Bittorrent, (google for it) and then search for the details on how to forward ports 6881-6889, on your router, or firewall, those will speed up connections.
For all intents and purposes, the probability is zero. Consider that an MD5 signature is 32 bits. That means, there are 2^32 possible values. So the raw probability of two unique sets of data matching the same MD5 signature is 2^-32, about 0.00000002%.
-- Quality, performance, value; you get only two, and you don't always get to pick.
I'm installing now. The installer crashes if I have a USB mouse plugged into my trusty (but old) Portege 3440ct; gah - I'll have to use the internal one. I hope the mouse works once the system is installed - it worked fine under Core 1!
-- Struggling to find a day everyone can make? WhenShallWe.com
I dont believe its a distro problem but rather a kernel problem, I've experienced issues like that with any distro using 2.6. Now I may just have bad luck, but I'd bet its the kernel. I think you can pass a command to the kernel prior to the install to install a 2.4.x kernel. Hope that will help:) Regards, Steve
Seems the nVidia drivers are still broken for FC2.
Should be fixed with the next major nVidia release. Also beware of x.org + imwheel. Seems to not work. So if you have a 5+ button mouse.. careful.
--
Hrrm...
I usually just sign my name.
Re:nVidia - broken
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Anonymous Coward
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ATI drivers don't work worth a crap either. No Open GL and it hasn't yet figured out what the 9000 series cards actually are, just calls them VESA and the ATI driver says "You can expect the following error messages..." at their web site.
Anyone know where a package list is? The one on fedora.redhat.com still lists Fedora Core 1.
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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KenSeymour
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When I talk to the Red Hat folks about a migration path for my RedHat 9 home system, they push Fedora. I have not gone to it becuase this system is my only computer at home and I use it every day.
It is dual boot with Windows XP. I need/want windows for Corel Painter and possibly later if I take a Photoshop class.
So as far as I am concerned, there is no RedHat migration path for me. If it takes long enough for them to get stable, I will try Debian instead.
Because of my dial-up access, I need a distribution that a friend can burn a CD for me or I can get one from Cheap Bytes.
Debian is the one distribution for which will never have to deal with a license policy change driven by revenue concerns.
-- "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." -- Albert Einstein
not sure on fc2, but on fc1 xmms won't play mp3's. What I did was just trash it, then went and got the latest version from xmms.org, the mp3 plugin, etc. That worked ok, listening to a live stream right now on it.
No idea on rhythmbox player though, I never use it. And unlike the 7 series, I couldn't get mplayer to work *at all*. I'm sure that's just my problem, but something was always borked with it when I tried it several times.
Let me see if I can find this funny rant with a buncha practical howtos on playing sounds and dvds and whatnot....
Re:So... Not so sure
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Anonymous Coward
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On sunday, I was getting about 3 k/s for about 6 hours. I went to bed. When I woke up, it was done. This means that the speed must have greatly increased while I was asleep.
Either watching it slows the connection down, like when you watch a pot waiting for water to boil or sleeping speeds the connection up. I will have to do more testing to determine which one is actually happening.
Re:bitchfest - try apt4rpm
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gharris
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I have been using apt4rpm for the past few months now and found that I cannot live without it. It takes care of all the dependancy checking, updating, etc, etc. I rarely find something that is not listed in a repository. There is even a very nice gui called Synaptic if you prefer that sort of thing. A good place to start is ATrpms.
--Glenn
Sorry, you asked for it...
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JayAdams
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Sorry, but you asked for it...
f5093032973830d5cb457f7293ebc047
That, I believe, is a "string (of any length) which matches the following MD5Sum."
Oops. I must have been thinking CRC32. Anyway, so much the better - that puts the probability somewhere around 0.000...[37 zeroes]...2%.
-- Quality, performance, value; you get only two, and you don't always get to pick.
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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Anonymous Coward
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What a troll, that was from test 1, since then there have been two other tests and now an official release. Its been fixed for months.
Maybe you should try reading some of the comments, paying special attention to dates and releases, like the one below. Seems to me like you're the only one trolling here.
Additional Comment #21 From Jim on 2004-05-17 12:33
After 3 days of hashing out this. From formating and starting with FC1
up throught FC2t3 all I can say is this does not look good. The grub
change to the CHS values is the deal. The problem for me went a way if
I have xp boot on a different drive and switch at boot in BIOS. Is
there any thing anyone would like me to try?
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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KenSeymour
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If you had bothered to click the bug link, you would see that there are reports it is still in test2 and test3.
It has not been closed yet.
-- "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." -- Albert Einstein
The release notes...
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Seehund
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Re:very useful
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Anonymous Coward
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The md5sum algorithm must have had more work put into it than that. It's not sufficient that every byte in the file affects the output of the hash function.
e.g.: for a hash function, I could sum all the bytes in the file and mod by 2^256... this would fulfill the conditions you've listed. For distinugishing random data it would be a decent hash function. But for defending against people who try to cause a trojanned file to have a collision with the real deal, it would suck.
Basically, as users we have to hope that in some sense it is generically difficult for a person to whip up a file having a desired md5sum. I'm not quite sure how to formulate that in a way that's both useful and precise. It's tempting to say that it would suffice to use a hash function that is not easily reversible, but I don't think that's actually relevant.
Of course someone who may actually know what they're talking about has written a wikipedia article.
The torrent page has links for the -test3 line, but I don't see any for FC2-final. Am I missing something?
steve
-- Oh, you're not stuck, you're just unable to let go of the onion rings.
No Logitech Quickcam support
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TheFlu
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If you're using a webcam based off of the Philips chipset, be aware that the kernel shipping with Fedora Core 2 (2.6.5-1.358) has the pwc driver disabled due to bugs, so your camera will not work with this release.
This issue should affect all of the following cameras: Excerpt taken from the linux-2.6.5-1.358/drivers/usb/media/Kconfig file:
I would, but the tracker for the Duke torrents posted on the front page of the fedora site is down right now.
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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Anonymous Coward
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You can joke all you want about not caring about windows booting, but the bug is potentially more serious than just not booting windows. It is very likely that bug is the same as this one: Bug 113201
Basically, you can get a screwed up partition table. It appears this is due to changes in the way that the 2.4 and 2.6 kernel reported hard disk geometry. These changes were not account for yet (to my knowledge) in parted, which is used in the FC2 install. This results in inconsistent (between FC2 and other OS'es, perhaps more than just windows) entries in your partition table.
I don't know how likely it is that this will cause a problem on any given machine. Perhaps for smaller disks the way the 2.4 vs 2.6 kernels report geometry will be the same, and there will be no problem. You might want to try to boot into a 2.6 kernel based live CD and compare values to what you see in a 2.4 kernel before installing FC2. For more information on this, see this thread:
This is a very serious problem, which sadly appears to have been known about for some time, and no warnings have appeared in any release notes (much less delaying releases to fix it). You can note the distress of some reporters in the bugzilla comments. I am distressed that the problem has gone unfixed this far, and more distressed about the very little attention it has gotten. I am not going to install FC2 until this is dealt with.
For those of at the office w/ a T1 or so, why not join the torrent? I've been doing this for a day and it's my way of giving back and bit and speeding up everybody else's download.
anti-slashdotting
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hey
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I starting download using BitTorrent around 10:00am ET when it was official released but the download rate was horrible (like 5 KiB/s). Then arround noon it got really fast (like 200 KiB/s)!!! What happened?! That was when this article was posted on Slashdot so I had more peers to talk to - maybe the first reverse slashdotting ever.
Isn't that awesome!?
That is the whole point of BitTorrent!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bittorrent
Re:anti-slashdotting
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SIGBUS
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One thing I've noticed when downloading from a heavily-used torrent: the download will start out as a trickle until you actually have a chunk that you can upload to others. This is a consequence of BitTorrent's anti-leeching design; if you don't upload anything, you will get little or nothing in return.
Sometimes it may take ten minutes or more before you get any real speed from a torrent.
-- Oh, no! You have walked into the slavering fangs of a lurking grue!
A question about torrent
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ajs
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In the download instructions it says:
Open up ports 6881-6999/tcp so other clients can contact you for bits [...]
Once your download is complete please leave your downloader running so it can help upload to the other clients. This is what makes bittorrent efficient.
This seems to be wrong on a couple of points.
First off bt is uploading from my machine even if I'm NATed and not doing port forwarding for that range (there must be some sort of push-based-transfer request that the host I'm connected to can issue in the protocol) and second, leaving it up would also seem to be unnecessary to boost efficiency (though it is extra-nice, certainly), as it's uploading during the entire download, and I benefit the community of downloaders as long as I'm downloading.
So what's the deal here?
Re:A question about torrent
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mlrtime
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It will still connect when you are behind fw/nat, however there will be many clients that you will not be able to connect to, hence inefficiency.
You should always have your share ratio to be at least 1.0. Keep your torrent session alive till your ul/dl ratio >= 1.
It will still connect when you are behind fw/nat, however there will be many clients that you will not be able to connect to
Good point. Of course, in some situtations, I can't, but I'll keep this in mind.
You should always have your share ratio to be at least 1.0. Keep your torrent session alive till your ul/dl ratio >= 1.
I guess my question there was, why? If I've been sharing what I was downloading the whole time, and the stats on my screen say I am, why is it so important that I share longer? I'm not saying I won't or that I think it's a bad idea, just that I don't get the imperative that's implied by the web site in question and your post, since I've been giving everything I recieved as I recieved it.
Re:A question about torrent
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pavon
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I'm not saying I won't or that I think it's a bad idea, just that I don't get the imperative that's implied by the web site in question and your post, since I've been giving everything I recieved as I recieved it.
That is the crux of the issue. For most people the amount of data that the client uploaded while in the process of downloading is much less than the amount they downloaded. This is because most broadband connections (and modem for that matter) have a bigger download bandwidth than upload. In this case you haven't given everything that you have recieved, because your upload rate couldn't keep up with the download.
If you are fortunate enough to have a balanced connection, and your client shows that you have uploaded as at least much as you have downloaded by the time your download is complete, then you have done your fair share (although you can always be extra nice and keep it open even longer to help others out:).
If you are fortunate enough to have a balanced connection, and your client shows that you have uploaded as at least much as you have downloaded by the time your download is complete, then you have done your fair share (although you can always be extra nice and keep it open even longer to help others out:).
I was, and I did;-)
Thanks!
That tracker seems to be down too :-(
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temporalillusion
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In addition to the one linked to on the fedora main page.
Re:That tracker seems to be down too :-(
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Anonymous Coward
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Scroll down and you'll find the update is kuix.de/fedora
Don't Blame RPM For Dependency Hell
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reallocate
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Others will have suggested using yum or apt. RPM is not, as in n-o-t, intended to resolve dependency issues. Your toaster doesn't make ice cream, Do you whine about that?
Folks need to remember that dependencies always exist in every distribution. Different packaging schemes have different ways to tell you something's missing, but they're all telling you the same thing.
If you think someone needs to be blamed for dependency hell, go blame the developers.
-- -- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
Re:So... Not so sure
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ahaning
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As someone else mentioned, you'll need to forward at least ports 6881 to 6889 (or 6999 if you feel the need) from your router to your PC. Each window you open needs its own port.
You may also need to figure out how to get through your firewall, if you have one.
Regarding your question: BitTorrent does work through routers even if your ports are "closed", but in order for you to download anything, someone else's ports must be open. You are uploading at such a high rate because someone else has their ports open.
If everyone's ports are closed, no one will be able to connect to each other and nothing will happen. If the seeder's ports are open and all of the leecher's ports are closed, the leechers will not share with each other and you'll be back to having a very slow FTP site (basically).
If you open your ports, you will see drastically higher speeds. You may also want to limit your uploads a bit since you need some upload bandwidth to be able to download. Your PC needs to be able to tell the other peers that it got the pieces that they sent.
HTH.
-- Withdrawal before climax is very ineffective and those who try this are usually called "parents."
I'm a Mac user, so I can't readily download this and install it, but I am interested in seeing what it (and the new features) looks like. Anyone have a link? Google wasn't useful.
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mbbac
Re:Screenshots?
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Anonymous Coward
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Pretty much imagine Fedora Core 1, only with a "My Computer" icon on the desktop, Nautilus behaving like Mac OS 9, and everything being a hell of a lot faster.
Debian?? Isn't It About Time...
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reallocate
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...for this decade's release?
-- -- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
Re:Debian?? Isn't It About Time...
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n0dez
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I have heard that the next stable release of Debian will be released next year (2005). Too long. Anyway, this month [probably] FreeBSD 4.10 and Slackware Linux 9.2 will be released.:)
I think the ethernet cable in the back of my computer is glowing red. I have two iso's in transit and both are coming in at over 1400KB/sec. That's under 10minutes for both!
I got Internet2 here while I'm studying and I'm only getting 30 KiB/sec down on the torrent?? Let's get to it edu'ers.
-truth
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I had a steady B+ in my AI class until I failed the Turing test...
apt/knotify/synaptic issues
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bloosqr
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This is probably not the forum but I installed this last night and noticed that *apt* of all things no longer works w/ fedora core 2. The fedora apt was built off of librpm-4.2 while the version currently part of fedora is librpm-4.3. The other annoying issue is the synaptic touchpad doesn't work i.e. the standard laptop touchpad! It seems that you have to download the src XF-4 to fix this which i haven't gotten to doing.. lastly KNotify crashes in kde for some unknown reason.. I'm not sure what the fix is for this..
Re:apt/knotify/synaptic issues
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Anonymous Coward
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Fedora.us has apt and synaptic built for FC2: http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraHOWTO
Re:very useful
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Anonymous Coward
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A hash collision in MD5 has, to the best of my knowledge, been found.
It represented a considerable amount of work - even if the 128-bit hash was perfect, the workfactor would have been 2^64, and collisions in the compression function were found to affect the balance, thus slightly weighting the probabilities and allowing for a search on the order of 2^58; still a considerable amount of work and it took a couple of years.
I'd link the PDF, but it's gone walkabout; you should be able to find the precursors without too much trouble though.
Of course, that's just a birthday attack (find a pair of files, neither given, any length, with same md5sum), and it's just one time. You'd have to do it all over again to find another pair.
The attack presented here (given md5sum, find or pad file to match) is not currently feasible. That's workfactor 2^128 and it doesn't look like the compression function weaknesses can really help (much) - the work would be over 2^100, quite impossible today.
MD4 is weaker (as it exposes the compression function problems). SHA-1 is stronger (not least because it is a 160-bit hash, giving 2^80 birthday). RIPEMD-160 is also pretty good, as is TIGER192, and you can't discount the new breed of SHA-256, SHA-384 and SHA-512.
I downloaded the recommended ABC client (win32 version) forwarded ports 6881 to 6889 to my workstation and am now doing over 330KB/s DL and 45KB/s UL.. finally! Thanks to y'all
Maybe the folks who stole the Cisco IOS code were just sick of waiting for multicast and are planning to hack it in.
Whatever happened to mbone?
Re:So... Not so sure
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Anonymous Coward
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That's a complete myth: a watched pot actually boils *faster* than an unobserved one. It's true! If you don't believe me, then try it yourself, you'll be AMAZED!
Is there a package list for FC 2? I found one on the fedora site for FC 1, but not FC 2 yet.
Yum works fine to upgrade (if not using lvm)
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cybrthng
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All i had to do was
1. wget the latest "yum-2.0.7xxxx" rpm from the fastested mirror 2. wget the "fedora-release"
rpm -Uvh yum* rpm -Uvh fedora-release*
yum update yum upgrade
and i rebooted
Ofcourse, i have serial access into the server so i could watch grub and bootup process, so if you don't have direct access just be carefull.
I've upgraded from RH9, FC1 and FC2 RC2,3 and now FC2 all this way.
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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Buelldozer
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Your juvenile attempts at humour not withstanding this is starting to look like a major problem. I'm watching the bug reports pile in this morning as people try to install.
Two of us in my office installed FC2 this morning and we were both greeted with GRUB's CLI on reboot after install completion.
Mine is a dual boot Win2K / FC1 (now FC2) and his was a strictly FC1 installation. We both are using two drives and for both of us the drives were erased prior to installation, with the exception of my Win2k install obviously.
The problem is that no matter WHAT you set your BIOS to, or what it autodetects, somehow FC2 is changing the BIOS entries to read 528...the old DOS limit. Which puts grub.conf as well as everything else out of reach of GRUB!
My attempts at manually overriding the geometry translation using GRUB's geometry command have led to frustation since GRUB stubbornly refuses to allow me to set it beyond it's stupid, and false, BIOS translation.
Neither of us had any problems with these boxes before installing FC2 and I am will to bet $1000 if I pull FC2 off and re-install FC1 it will go away.
They should have WARNED people that this was a problem. This was sloppy sloppy work and FC2 was obviously not ready for prime time release yet.
MD5 was designed exactly for that scenario, so that very similar data would give completely different results. It's one of the most common types of fault, if it couldn't handle that, what would be the point?
Keep your torrent running!!
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trance9
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Once you've got it keep it running. It's in your own selfish interest to help as many people get this thing so that they can in turn help you if you run into any problems--the more people who have it, the larger your support base. I'm seeding the duke cdr iso's now, you should too!
Please, no hit and runs.
Ack - Good DVD iso's hard to find
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dbretton
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Seems like it's pretty darn hard to find good DVD iso's of FC 2. Many of the mirrors do not have the DVD iso, or, if they do, it's an incomplete ISO.
Re:Ack - Good DVD iso's hard to find
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ps_inkling
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Many of the mirrors do not have the DVD iso....
The original article points to a web page with a list of links to various ISO images, including x86 64 DVD and i386 DVD images.
Granted, it's not a mirror, it's a bittorrent. Using it is not painful or difficult. For large files, bittorrent is the current distribution method. Would you want to host a 4.1 GB file for download? Even for one or two users at a time?
Re:Ack - Good DVD iso's hard to find
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Anonymous Coward
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Apache can't serve files greater than 2^32 bytes - it reports the wrong filesize. Use ftp or BitTorrent for the DVD iso.
anyone try to edit gnome menu?
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mgoodman
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I'm fine with Fedora 1 right now, except for one glaring error. With this whole Bluecurve thing that sort of integrated gnome and kde oddly and in a really screwed up way, adding and deleting items from your gnome menu (like the start menu), is near impossible. Same problem with RH 9.
Re:anyone try to edit gnome menu?
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Anonymous Coward
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You do NOT need to edit your menu! Being able to edit your menu would only be confusing! Menu editing does not fit in the GNOME 2 interface guidelines.
Say after me: I do not need this. Just like I don't need common preference options in a GUI. It is less confusing and more user friendly to trawl through registry entries and edit text keys, should I be lucky to find that the undocumented key I want actually exists in the first place.
Thank you, GNOME2!
Re:anyone try to edit gnome menu?
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mgoodman
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If I had mod points left and didn't already post in this forum, I'd mod this funny +5!@ heh.
You can download just the boot.iso and then boot with "linux ask method" this will allow you to point to an FTP site with the FC2 tree on it. Then select upgrade instead of fresh instal.... Voila!
-- -*The above statement is printed entirely on recycled electrons*-
I find that suprising...
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Anonymous Coward
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I would have expected it to be in first place!:P
Re:So... Not so sure
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Anonymous Coward
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I can concour. I put water into a pot, used a timer, and as soon as I heared the water boiling the timer showd 12 minutes. I reset the timer, turned the heat off to stop the boiling, then turned the flame back on, watched it, and it started boiling within a few seconds!!!
Re:very useful
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Fweeky
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ISTR some distributed project to calculate md5 hash collisions; the idea being that once you've calculated 2^64 md5's or so, you start getting lots of them, and as they get demonstratably easier to break... uh... well, I guess then we might actually start using SHA1 in more than a handful of places;)
OpenSSL can act as an md5(1) replacement using SHA1 btw; iirc you can just symlink it to a file called sha1, and use it like a normal BSD md5:)
RedHat Artwork on Fedora?
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Anonymous Coward
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I am just wondering what is the version of the Red Hat Artwork package that is used in the final release. The latest I found in RPM Search is 0.96. Was 1.00 finished for the Fedora Core 2 release?
- Not a coward, just lazy to register
Re:RedHat Artwork on Fedora?
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juhaz
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Wait a couple of months
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Danathar
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Historically every time RedHat distros have jumped major kernel releases the train wreck after the release took a couple of months to iron itself out. I'd recommend to anybody who wants to use FC 2 (and don't want to deal with the odd kernel problems) wait 2 to 4 months before doing an install. That way the major kinks will be ironed out.
I did'nt want to upgrade my servers from RH 9 to Rh Enterprise, so I waited until LAST week to install FC 1.
Regardless of the kinks, Fedora IS a cool distro!
What about FreeBSD and/or Slack?
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n0dez
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Why don't you try FreeBSD Unix and/or Slackware Linux? Both are good choices if you're looking for something KISS-compliant.
Re:What about FreeBSD and/or Slack?
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rainman_bc
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You know, I'm a huge fan of FreeBSD as a server. It rocks.
HOWEVER, configuring X to work properly is definately an exercie in frustration and not for the faint of heart. Then KDE ads some fun in there too.
Yes, I know how to install stuff. My webserver runs FreeBSD, but I wouldn't recommend FreeBSD as a desktop OS to anyone but the most tech savvy. Many Linux stuff won't install, even under emulation, and it's definately an exercies in frustration.
And the number of apps available is quite lower than Fedora.
Really, for a desktop Unix-like OS, Fedora really does kick some serious ass...
For a server OS, FreeBSD is the cat's ass... I love it. It's way easier to install than Gentoo...
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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Wapiti-eater
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OK, I'm *not* dual booting. Just FC2. Whatever they've done with the 2.6 geometry code detection/translation/hashings has FUBAR'd this puppy beyond use. Apprently this issue isn't being seen by users of the current 2.6 kernel. This looks to have been fixed months ago and didn't make it into FC2 - yet. See article at the end here for details. Or I'm just not seeing what I think I'm finding... (wouldn't be the first time)
P-III 500 - 1999 BIOS - 2 Hard drives, 10GB and 80GB. /dev/hda is 10GB drive and is dedicated to/boot and swap - nothing else. /dev/hdb is 80GB and has everything else on it.
Brand new FC2 install, grub is installed to MBR on hda. On boot all I get is a grub shell. Tossed a few geo commands to see what's going on:
grub>geometry (hd0)
drive 0x80: C/H/S = 512/32/63, The number of sectors = 1032192, LBA
Partition num : 0, Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
Partition num : 1,
Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
After a moment of WTF?? I check the BIOS settings. Sure enough - they're now set to: 512/32/63. Something is setting the BIOS back to values that don't make any sense. So, I re-detect the drive, save the correct geometry into BIOS and boot again. Same results.
::SIGH::
Try again, but this time feeding grub the correct geometry.
grub> geometry (hd0) 1024 768 63
Same exact dang-blasted frustrating result.
Just to be sure I wasen't be'n prank'd, pulled the GPG key from fedora.redhat.com - again, re-verified that the md5sums I have are legit. Re-verified the iso md5s - even did the mediacheck after burning - twice - all OK. It just flat out dosen't work with large drives on an older BIOS.
FWIW - this same hardware was working perfectly under FC1 - 2.4 kernel yum'd to latest. I'm fairly sure it'll be running correctly again soon, after another 2 (plus)hours of re-install to FC1.
I'm amazed this was released as anything but an alpha test. I mean, I know we're the 'development' lab-rats for Redhat - but come on. Most labs at least feed and water their test subjects - maybe even a T-shirt, or some cedar shreddings...
Here's an article (google cache) that describes what appears to be this same problem and the fix for it that was submitted to the kernel devel folks some time ago.
Looks like I'm off to find a BIOS update and hope against hope this'll work - but I'm not holding my breath. May well be the days of using older hardware are goners???
Mmm, first though - going to move what's on the 10GB drive to an old 3.2 - apprenlty it's within the BIOS limitations - see what happens....
-- Senior NCO in the fight against entropy. I've seen things, man. Things no one should have to see.....
Fedora Changed My Life . . .
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Dausha
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My first Linux experience was Mandrake. Last year I switched to Red Hat when they had the Demo program. When they switched to Fedora, I tried it out and was not pleased with its instability. So, I moved on to Slackware and tested several other distros.
I finally settled on Gentoo Linux for its ease of use and support--not to mention cost! I'm not slamming other distros, just that this one suits my temperment.
So, Redhat, thanks for introducing me to Gentoo.
-- What those who want activist courts fear is rule by the people.
Re:Fedora Changed My Life . . .
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justsomebody
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So, basically you like watching compiling
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Re:Fedora Changed My Life . . .
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Dausha
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Yes, pretty much so.
-- What those who want activist courts fear is rule by the people.
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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Anonymous Coward
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This can also be avoided by not using Fedora Core 2. Maybe next time they will do more testing on such "basic" implementations.
Hah, I made funny!
Re:But Linux is easy to use!
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geomon
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You're right!
BTW, what developmental release of Windows are you running?
-- "Rocky Rococo, at your cervix!"
Parent makes key point of thread: Pine not Free
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Anonymous Coward
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[ off-topic pro mutt rant suppressed for civility ]
Repartitioning on 2.6 kernels can result incorrect partition table for Windows boot and they stop booting. Mandrake 10 and SUSE 9.1 have the same problem. There is more information and potential solutions on this site.
I have this same problem with SuSe 9.1. I installed it and it killed my MBR. On my c:\ drive i have windows 98 and on d:\ i have xp. I had to install suse to the mbr in order to get xp to work, but now 98 is broken.
If i run with 98's bootcd and i do a sys c: then i can get 98 to work, but xp fails. I don't know what to do, i will check that url
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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Anonymous Coward
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This works for me, not XP though title Win 2000 root (hd2,0) map (0x82) (0x80) map (0x80) (0x82) makeactive chainloader +1 aeg
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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eviltypeguy
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Of course, if you had actually read the bug report in their system you would realize that this is a 2.6.6 kernel problem. Not a grub or RedHat problem specifically, and in addition to that, they're in no way required to support your proprietary OS.
Does anybody know what the boot.iso file that I downloaded yesterday from bittorrent is? All the other files I got seem to be part of the download and MD5 correctly against the sum file on the fedora servers today, but there is no sum for boot.iso or that file to download there. I'm planning to just throw it out, but it seems to me that somebody could have slipped an extra disc in with the distribution and could get away with it because it doesn't mess up the MD5 but people might use it anyway.
The boot.iso image is not part of the Fedora Core distribution images and does therfore not have it's MD5 sum listed. It is instead a part of disc1, since you can find it in the "images" subdirectory on the first disc.
The boot.iso in Fedora is the replacement for the many different boot diskette images that used to ship with distros. Using boot.iso you can perform a fully graphical installation of Fedora using many different sources. For example, you can do a network (FTP, HTTP, NFS..) installation or you can have it use the other Fedora discs (though this is pretty pointless, as disc1 is also a boot disk).
I prefer to simply burn the boot.iso image to a CD-RW disc with each release and doing a FTP installation with it, thus saving me 4 discs. It's also faster in my case than burning the discs, since my network is ridiculously fast:)
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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wed128
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that's not a bug...it's a feature!!!
Re:very useful
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Anonymous Coward
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yes that's correct, about 5-7 years ago someone figured out how to collide MD5's. The only trouble was the two colliding files were generated at the same time and were random garbage. No luck colliding anything legible. Still though it made some people nervous enough to increase the use of SHA1.
Apparently Redhat/Fedora considers using floppies to install passe or something. They offer no install methods other than cdrom or usb pen drive - no floppy images are included. So much for trying this out on my laptop that has no cdrom:(
Is that hard configuring the X Window System?
Well, it could be intimidating for first-time users, but configuring X doesn't make FreeBSD a not viable option for the desktop. I'm currently using FreeBSD as a desktop OS and don't miss anything (well, sometimes I miss a native Flash plugin for FreeBSD because of that Flash-only sites) and runs faster than any other OS (even faster than Slack). I haven't used Linux emulation on FreeBSD yet 'cause I don't need it.:)
I agree with you; FreeBSD is easier to install than other OSes such as Debian GNU/Linux. I would recommend FreeBSD for those who want to learn Unix. I wouldn't recommend it to everybody. The same goes for Windows.
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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Anonymous Coward
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People should realize, this is a pretty serious bug. It can't be fixed by running the recovery console fixmbr/bootcfg in XP. Something in the install munges the partition table. You are left to re-install XP.
It seems to happen if people have large hard drives (> 120 gig).
As if it goes without saying, HAVE A BACKUP OF YOUR STUFF FIRST before doing any install, especially something like this. Have a good backup with ghost, then if it screws up you can just blow away the drive and get back to where you were.
Any client will work, really. Maybe ABC has better features.
Whatever works for you. JUST KEEP YOUR WINDOW OPEN WHEN YOU FINISH!
(Sorry about the caps. Lots of people leech torrents.)
-- Withdrawal before climax is very ineffective and those who try this are usually called "parents."
Re:very useful
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MourningBlade
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It's not the probability of two random sets of 2GB date having the same md5 signature, it's the probability of one md5 signature being the same as another md5 signature. See Birthday Paradox for more information.
The good news is that that means the probability is much lower.
The following is a rather naive calculation, but it will do.
MD5 produces a 128 bit signature, with 128 meaningful bits (ie no parity checks or anything). By pigeonhole principle, this means that any data input larger than 7 bytes must have collisions.
So, given a dataset of 2GB (ie ~8^2,000,000,000 different values), for any given MD5 value there are ~8^1,999,999,993 values that would give it. This is a lot, but you'd still have to search around 8^7 (~2 million) values in order to get a collision.
It would take a long time.
And that's assuming that you weren't trying to introduce some sort of attack.
So, with an MD5 it's extremely unlikely (8^-7) that you'd hit a collision, and it's ungodly unlikely that you'd be able to construct a malicious collision.
Re:What about FreeBSD?
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justsomebody
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Yes, it does. Few newbie friends of mine were tempted by geeks like you. Guess what, everybody put back FC (and neither one of them finished the setup).
I had good laughs anyway. It is a viable desktop platform if you know what you do. In that case every *X is good on desktop for ME, except OSX. (I hate OSX, but that's my personal opinion and personal reasons)
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Anybodies feedback on x86_64 ?
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Anonymous Coward
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Hi, anybody tried it on amd64 or Opteron ? I am using SuSe 9.0 right now but there are some occasions where I am getting freeze-ups on 2 machines, one a Single opteron and on a Dual opteron both on Tyan MB.
Thanks.
Re:Anybodies feedback on x86_64 ?
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Eric+Smith
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anybody tried it on amd64 or Opteron ?
I don't know with any degree of certainty, but it seems pretty likely, since there's nothing else it can be expected to run on other than a simulator.
Re:kernel 2.6
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Eric+Smith
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The whole point of RHEL is that it has a long release cycle. If you want a distribution that is quick to adopt new kernels, use something other than RHEL.
Breaking even with BitTorrent
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Kaseijin
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I benefit the community of downloaders as long as I'm downloading.
Until your share ratio reaches 1, you remain a net burden, just less than if you used HTTP or FTP.
It's still a lot easier to setup FC1 than FreeBSD. For a n00b, it's definately easier.
Installing packages in FC1 is a matter of downloading an RPM and double clicking. Or use synaptic. No command line. For n00bs, it's the cat's ass.
As well, the desktop in FC1 makes sense. I'm sure they've improved on it in FC2.
And yes, I think configuring X is a waste of time. I've had to do it before, and I could do it again if I wanted to, but I really hate doing it. I shouldn't have to. The installer should do that for me.
You might find you don't need feature "X" and you can do without it, but really, most users aren't you. If there's an App out there they can't run, they won't be happy.
I guess you've never had to install Coldfusion on a FreeBSD box, just for example. No native support. You have to MacGuyver your way through it.
To each their own, but I really do like FC on the desktop. I just prefer FreeBSD on the server.
Somewhere else someone said that this happens because it's corrupting the partition tables. Is that so?
If it's just a problem with the boatloader I can still install it on my machine since I use BeOS's Be Boot Loader to triple boot Linux, BeOS, and WinXP.
I know people who would pay you for creating shortcuts on their Windows desktop. No kidding. And others don't care about what they're using if everything works properly and don't have to worry about threads like viruses and worms. I guess there are many kinds of people.
Every OS has its pros and cons; Fedora might be easier to install, and FreeBSD is much faster booting up and running aps. I've found KDE to be more responsive on FreeBSD.
I think the command line is more powerful than any flashy GUI. Do they really want to learn something new? That's the point.
It's hard to fight against all that MS monoculture; one OS, one browser, one word processing app,... how boring!!!
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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sagi
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It affects the stable release, too.
I actually read your post before installing it and thought it must have been fixed already, but it isn't.
Luckily I managed to recover by changing the HDD type to LBA and running fixmbr&fixboot from the XP recovery console.
Still, I can't understand how they release it with such bug and without mentioning it anywhere in the release notes.
It is impossible to leech torrents, but its possible to not seed one if your close it just as you finished the download. But... knowing that it is the "tracker" who verify if you upload before letting you download, a modified tracker could allow such a thing. If I was an owner of a big tracker server (example: suprnova), I'd let my own IP as leech for sure. Doing it for many people is just stupid and would of course kill the bittorrent usefulness.
Re:very useful
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Anonymous Coward
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Does this probability increase or decrease with increasing likeness of data?
Neither, it stays the same. Desired properties of one-way hash codes (basis for signatures) includes that small(est) changes should result in big changes: a single bit change should on average result in change of 50% of bits in resulting hash code.
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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pantz
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I got burnt by this bug on FC2 test 1. Took me a full weekend to recover - lucky I had a morphix live CD and a spare 80GB drive to help with my 'post-disaster' backup!
Anyway I just wanted to say that I discovered a magic tool that will probably fix most of your problems before anything gets too messy - gpart.
http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/
Unfortunately for me, I discovered it too late:(
Grab the static binary, whack it on a floppy, then run it after booting a live CD. Let it guess your old partition layout and Roger's your uncle.
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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Buelldozer
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I did not ask them to support my "proprietary os", I _expected_ them to release a distro that actually installed and ran on the same hardware that FC1 did.
So did the other "flipperhead" in my office who is NOT dual booting and had the same problem. This issue is NOT confined to dual booters, so pull your head out.
This machine has also run Suse 9.0, Suse 9.1, Knoppix 3.2 - 3.4, RH8 & 9 and a few others without ANY problems. At all.
After the fact I find out there has been ongoing issues with this since test 1 that apparently no one bothered to fix. If there is a kernel issue with 2.6.5-x that prevents it from booting a chunk of the time don't you feel it should have been fixed before release?
Please tell me where my expectations went awry?
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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Jumperwillow
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Not completely related to the FC2 part, but more along the lines that it's a bug in the 2.6 kernel. I had been running FC1 when it was first out and loved it. I got a SuSe 9.1 from a friend and tried it out, great too, another nice flavor. Tried to boot into windows, BURN. I've been looking all over for fixes and answers. This has been the most help so far with bugzilla reports and BIOS fixes, but I still have a problem. I can boot into windows, great. I can't get windows to keep video drivers for the life of me. I first thought windows had reset my drivers when I went into a recovery console, for whatever reason, so I just downloaded them again and installed. Upson reboot, they were gone again. Does this have anything to do with the HD being forced into LBA mode? I haven't made any changes to windows since not being able to access it, so I can't think of anything else...
Bittorrent still broken for me
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jbayes
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I use BT all the time for other stuff, and it works fine. But with this torrent (and the "leaked" torrent earlier) all I'm getting is errors ("connection refused" and "timeout exceeded"). Is the tracker just overwhelmed, or are others still getting good d/l rates?
--
"It sure was strange to see something on Usenet about me that didn't involve Klingon gang rape." -- Wil Wheaton
Re:Bittorrent still broken for me
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hopey
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It's been doing the same thing for me. After few tries it started normally and now I'm getting 500 KB/s download speed. I guess the tracker is full.
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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Wapiti-eater
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Finally!! I found a way around this FUBAR.
Disable LBA in BIOS - suddenly everything works just like it's supposed to. FC2 looks schweet!!
-- Senior NCO in the fight against entropy. I've seen things, man. Things no one should have to see.....
I had this same problem with Mandrake 10 on my dual boot. Couldn't boot into XP after installing Mandrake. I was thinking that lilo corrupted something in the boot sector, but perhaps not. Must be the 2.6.x kernel in Mandrake 10. (?)
I used Bit Torrent for 8 hours. The max bandwidth I got was 1-5 KiB a second... I have DSL with a cap that I have experimentally found at 128KiB a second. So therefor Bit Torrent was just plain crap. I got fed up. I took getright and cruised through all the quickly loading mirrors on the fedora page and added all the mirrors to the getright program. I have accelerated downloading turned on. I am now getting a fluctuation of 80KiB to what it is saying is 130KiB a second... But I'll chalk up that extra 2KiB as error. So instead of finishing the fedora download in 100 hours I am looking more at 6. I would really suggest that bit torrent incorporate downloading from ftp mirrors. Also I would like to take this empirical evidence to show that Bit Torrent is...slow... more like Bit Trickle. Setup(2500mhz Pentium, 512 MB Ram, 1st with the stock bit torrent client and 2nd with yet another bit torrent client) Also... another gripe... with bit torrent it uploaded 250 MB and it only downloaded 15MB...bad...really makes me feel taken advantage of, especially because Bit Torrent as opposed to Get Right seems to decimate bandwidth on the rest of my home network with my family struggling with extremely slow speeds on their computers.
I'm sorry but I cannot see why bittorrent is slow in this regard.
I've just downloaded FC2 using bittorrent here at work. Max speed was about 460KB/s. That's about the limit of our 4mbps access to the Internet. 2.1 GB in less than 2 hours.... that's not slow in my end of the world...
Re:Bit Torrent
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Anonymous Coward
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Guess your setup is broken. I just got it via bittorrent in a little under an hour.
I've been having good luck with gtk-gnutella, avg speeds very close to my max bandwidth, and I'll have the full set burned 4 hours. The interface is easy to work with, though filtering doesn't work as expected. (Since when doesn't 'Apply' mean right fucking now?)
Re:Bug When Dual Booting Windows XP and Fedora Cor
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KenSeymour
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It describes how the partition table has geometry values for both LBA and C/H/S (cylinders, heads, and sectors, I presume). In the fedora bug, these values get inconsistent with heach other, with LBA being correct. The post describes how to re-create your partition table so that both sets of values are correct.
Use extreme caution with the procedure in the post. You could lose everything on the disk.
I only have one system at home and I can't afford to toast it. So I will wait until they figure out the cause of this bug.
-- "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." -- Albert Einstein
That's a complete myth: a watched pot actually boils *faster* than an unobserved one.
Yep... It worked!. First I filled a pot with water, then I set the stove to high. It took almost 5 minutes before I heard it boiling.
Then, I turned off the stove and waited for the water to stop boiling. When I turned the stove back on. I couldn't believe my eyes. As I watched, the water started boiling almost immediately. We're talking almosst a 30-1 difference here! Do you have any idea how much energy this could save????
Gotta go, the guys in the white coats are back!
-- OS Software is like love: The best way to make it grow is to give it away.
I personally have not found the tit-for-tat algorithm supposedly used in BT to be very effective. All I have to do is limit my upload to 5K/s and I can still get >300K/s download. Here's a recent download:
sharing: 0.022 (32.8 MB up / 1489.9 MB down)
I have my upload limited to 5K/s. I will seed my 1:1, but I could just disconnect. That would be as good as leeching.
It could be that I was mostly downloading from seeds, and so they didn't need any upload from me, so they were able to upload to me at top speed. However, I've had similar speeds on torrents with maybe 1 seed and a bunch of leeches.
-- Withdrawal before climax is very ineffective and those who try this are usually called "parents."
Slashdot Mirror
Anyone got a mirror?
I am one of many. My idea is not unique, nor do I expect my voice alone to sway you. I speak in a chorus of opinion.
Fedora Core 2 Discussion, I've found that site to be very helpful.
Any way to update from Fedora Core 1 without downloading the .isos?
they are right on schedule mirrors are available from the fedora site now if everyone could wait 20min until I've finished downloading (damn i was hoping to have it finished before /. or osnews posted it)
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THE BEST WAY - BITTORRENT:
/linux/core/2/ /fedora/2/ /core/2/ .redhat/li nux/core/2/ / /l inux/core/2/ /linux/downloa d.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/2/ ://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/downlo ad.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/2/ /mirror2.mirrors.tds.net/pub/fedora-core/2/ ://mirror2.mirrors.tds.net/fedora-core/2/ /
AMERICA TORRENT: Duke University, North Carolina, USA
http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/tettnang-binary -i386 -iso.torrent
http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/tettna ng-i386-DVD.to rrent
http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/tettnang-src- i386-is o.torrent
http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/tettnang- binary-x86_ 64-iso.torrent
http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/tett nang-x86_64-DVD. torrent
http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/tettnang-sr c-x86_64- iso.torrent
EUROPE TORRENT: Univerzita Karlova v Praze, Czech Republic
http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/fedora-torren t/tettnang -binary-i386-iso.torrent
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ftp://ftp.webtrek.com/pub/mirrors
ftp://mirror.stanford.edu/pub/mirrors/ fedora/linux
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Okay, can someone explain the release name "Tettnang?" Is it just some crazy made up name or does it have significance?
Colin Dean Go a year without DRM
till I have finished downloading the DVD iso on my dialup connection.
I will find anyone who does and make them install Win ME as retribution.
Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
What truth?
There is no dupe
is here ;)
go ahead! mod me offtopic, but we'll see who laughs la&^&!71&$@*[NO CARRIER]
Is it safe to upgrade or should I do a clean install?
I saw a mention that straight RPM upgrades are strongly discouraged. Upgrade from CDs, or do a net upgrade.
People who disagree with you are not automatically evil, greedy, or stupid.
The md5 sums match the "leaked" torrent, so if you have that, there is no need to re-download even to join the official torrent by getting the .torrent and renaming your directory appropriately.
I am, and always will be, an idiot. Karma: Coma (mostly effected by
Say what you will about Fedora/Red Hat, but I've set up 2 Fedora boxes recently for 2 people who have never used Linux, and they've both remarked how well it looks and works. Keep up the good work guys!
this sig limit is too small to put anything good h
I downloaded Fedora Core 2 using the .torrent that was posted yesterday, and it's fast. Very fast. The combination of the 2.6 kernel, and updated GNOME flies on my P-III 600 compared to FC1. Menus appear in probably half the time they did before, as do Nautilus windows. Download and enjoy! And 'thank you' to the crew who work on Fedora!
Does anyone know what versions of the kernel, GNOME, and KDE it comes with?
The key question is why switch if it is working? And if there is something worthwile, how long should one wait (when things are considered stable) until they switch?
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I gotta say, I prefer it when the slashdot folk dont jump the gun. I couldn't get the torrent going from the first announcement on Saturday & got all excited for nothing:(
was the unofficial one yesterday pre-rootkit install or not?
Given Red Hat's recent announcement that Red Hat Linux and Fedora Linux are merging into the Fedora Project, I thought I would see what Fedora was like. I began by downloading the source files for Fedora Core 1. Installation was fairly straightforward, and my Philips monitor and SiS onboard video were detected correctly. I recommend using the optional CD media test provided to test all CDs before launching the graphic installer, as it can save you time by finding out immediately if one of the CDs is faulty. I chose the automatic partitioning option and the Personal Desktop install. While the packages are installing, the estimated remaining time is shown. An overall progress bar shows the name, description and size of each package as it's installed. A graphic changes periodically, providing details about the dev-log mailing list, the Fedora Web site and the Fedora IRC channels.
Once the installation was finished and the computer had rebooted, a post-installation menu appeared. This menu included a license agreement, the facility to set the date and time (including support for NTP servers), user account creation (including NIS or Kerberos support), a sound card test and an option to use additional CDs. Basically, Fedora is a shining penny in a bucket of shite.The usual Red Hat firewall script for iptables (GNOME Lokkit) is enabled by default. Simplified options are shown from redhat-config-securitylevel during the installation of Fedora to allow you to enable common services, such as a Web server, and to allow a device to be trusted, for example, a network card on a local network. On the topic of security, Zebra has been replaced by the Quagga Software
I was looking at the Fedora site a while ago and noticed the url to download 1 but no mention of 2, curious I put in the url for FC1 and changed the 1 to a 2 and lo and behold, FC2 final!!! I promptly started up wget and started getting 120 K/s, awesome I thought, I'll be done in no time!!! Then a couple minutes later I noticed it had dropped to about 8, curious I reloaded the Fedora site and saw my ingeniously obtained URL prominently displayed on the download page. Ahh well, off to bittorrent...
I stole this Sig
Too bad there is no firewire. Although in bugzilla it was marked as blocking the release, clearly someone thought that it was more important to stick to the schedule than to have working drivers. Firewire worked fine for me with vanilla 2.6.0, so it is quite sad to not see it working in the Fedora release.
Especially since 2.6 fixes a lot of hot-swap problems, I'm worried how many new Linux users will try this out and be quite disappointed when firewire does not work at all.
the link is on nero-online, I'm pretty sure they'll change it to something offensive soon.
And meta-mods, meta-mod this as unfair, when don't wait those who modded this to get mod points again.
Does anyone know if this version of Fedora Core works at a higher-res than 1024 in Virtual PC? When I tried using a higher-res the screen went nuts and nothing short of blowing the virtual drive away and reinstalling Fedora Core would fix this. I'm assuing this is a problem with the S3 emulated video card in Virtual PC and the drivers being used by FC.
Be sure to watch out for this one. It has already caught some folks here unaware. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?i d=115980
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day.
Teach him to eat and he will fish forever.
Yes, exactly on schedule. Right. Did you not notice that their schedule was revised about 5 times along the way? I remember the release date being for May 3 at one point.
Or perhaps this was a subtle attempt at humor?
That said, I'm really looking forward to trying it out. It's a real mess trying to decide between RH9+legacy, FC1, FC2, RHEL, and WhiteBox. Oh, how I long for the simple days of RH9!
a) Per bugzilla bugs 113202 and 115980 people are getting corrupted partition tables after installing FC2 (and the previous test versions). This is a known bug, but the release shipped anyhow... (wierd)
b) NVidia drivers don't work with this release do to a kernel patch (the "4K Stack" patch). Seems to be an even split on who should fix this, but the end result is no nvidia drivers for people using this release (at the moment).
Shouldn't there just be a single torrent with multiple trackers?
See this link for details.
my bittorrent download of the leak a few days ago kept going up and down. Sometimes I'd kill -9 the python process. I'm just wondering if there's a chance I might have corrupted my copy in this way (it's still downloading so i can't MD5SUM it). Also, if one of the machines on the bittorrent network have a corrupted copy, how will this affect others downloading it? Are there partial checksums?
I know there is are several commonly used tools that are ommited from fedora to avoid the IP issues. playing DVDs, Samba and a couple of others. Does anyone have a link to howto on what needs to be installed after the install to make it a regular useful distro?
WURD!!
I don't believe that two files with the same MD5sum have yet been discovered.
See if you can make it happen! Post results here.
Perhaps you could work out, for the curious amoung us, what the probability of 2 random sets of 2GB of data have the same md5 signature?
Does this probability increase or decrease with increasing likeness of data?
Thanks
A calendar. Tell that to your project manager the next time they tell you that the release date is changing.
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Has anyone else noticed that a Google search on Total Disaster returns Fedora Core 2 as the #2 hit? It was #1 last week. Hopefully this release will push us even further away from such an undignified title.
I think you answered your own question.
I have never had as many problems getting a linux ditro running on my machine as I have with the Fedora series (I'm running Fedora core 2 pre-3 or whatever it was.) OK, maybe back in the 1.2.13 kernel days it was a bit more difficult, but given how far things have come, I really think Fedora is moving in the opposite direction in terms of Penguiny-goodness.
My biggest problem has been getting GRUB to boot my OSes correctly. I have one of those bugy BIOSes that necessitates some configuration magic when installing GRUB. Knoppix had no problem with this. Fedora, even though it is supposed to be a cinch to install, caused me to go two weeks without both my OSes booting correctly. This may just be a GRUB thing, but if you're creating a distribution, you're graded on the quality of those things that you choose to include.
Next up is the up2date thing. I've lived in RPM hell since the Redhat 4.0 days, and I'm not really sure why I still endure it. By now, the fact that I still can't get a DVD or MP3 player installed with a simple command line statement or GUI tool is simply absurd. It's generally a multistep proecess: download foo-3.3-2.rpm for five minutes, try to install it to find out it depends on bar-1.2-3.rpm, so I download that for another five minutes, try to install that to find that baz-0.2-23-monkeychowder.rpm depends on bar-1.2-2.rpm and that by installing anything more recent, I'm just screwed. Am I the only person that finds this completely unacceptable?
And I could go on. Still, I'm planning on going home tonight and torrenting the new ISO, apparently because I like pain (acquired and accustomed to over the course of 10 years of using linux...).
There are many forums out there that will explain in great details. For example, see here.
:
/usr/src/linux-2.6.5-1.358/configs), and turn off the options CONFIG_4KSTACKS and CONFIG_REGPARM
The fast version: the Nvidia driver will NOT work with FC2's kernel because of the 4KSTACKS problem. Unfortunately, FC2's kernel no longer has the config option to disable this new "feature", so you will need to
- recompile a new kernel (i.e. a stock kernel). For example, 2.6.5-bk2, or 2.6.6-bk4
- make sure to use Fedora's own config files (from
-DZM
Then please someone explain me why I'm downloading at 7KiB/s and uploading at 30 KiB/s ? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around? (and alot faster for the download speed) I tried BitTorrent many times and always had the same result in other words, WTF? How come other people have these wonderful transfer rates that I have yet to see to believe it. BitTorrent is a conspiracy I tell ya!
This is a stolen sig.
That's what I don't get. He just posted the god damn mirrors list straight off of redhat, and he didn't AC to do it. So isn't this the point where the "good mods" go in and overrate this sun'bitch because he's just abusing the system and he certainly acknolwedges that? Double-You-Tee-Eff, mate.
This can be avoided by not dual booting to Windows. Not booting to Windows is also known to have other positive side effects. ;)
Lighten up - Its a joke.
G
Some of us consider that to be a feature.
Ceci n'est pas une signature.
Why bother (in this case) when bittorrent is much faster?
Over here in hong kong not only fo we not seem to have any of our own mirrors on this little island but neither are then bittorrent trackers for asia boo hoo. Anyone know of any around?
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What a troll, that was from test 1, since then there have been two other tests and now an official release. Its been fixed for months.
-Steve
Samba has not been removed from FC2.
Fedora inlcudes support for apt and yum. I use yum and I love it. Handles all your dependencies for you. Give it a try. It will make you happy.
Maxtrox's drivers work just fine in dual head. My G450 never gave me a lick of trouble.
The probability would be 1 in 2^64 for md5 if I recall correctly.
Download something like ABC Bittorrent, (google for it) and then search for the details on how to forward ports 6881-6889, on your router, or firewall, those will speed up connections.
For all intents and purposes, the probability is zero. Consider that an MD5 signature is 32 bits. That means, there are 2^32 possible values. So the raw probability of two unique sets of data matching the same MD5 signature is 2^-32, about 0.00000002%.
Quality, performance, value; you get only two, and you don't always get to pick.
http://kuix.de/fedora/
This is where I downloaded from last night and it seemed to check out fine.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
I'm installing now. The installer crashes if I have a USB mouse plugged into my trusty (but old) Portege 3440ct; gah - I'll have to use the internal one. I hope the mouse works once the system is installed - it worked fine under Core 1!
Struggling to find a day everyone can make? WhenShallWe.com
Seems the nVidia drivers are still broken for FC2.
Should be fixed with the next major nVidia release. Also beware of x.org + imwheel. Seems to not work. So if you have a 5+ button mouse.. careful.
Hrrm... I usually just sign my name.
"Exactly on schedule..."
Wait... is this some kind of subtle gesture against Debian or something?
No kernel 2.6 before RHEL4 (2005)
I don't yet have a fancy DVD writer. Where can I get some sub-700 MB isos?
THIS SPACE FOR RENT
Anyone know where a package list is? The one on fedora.redhat.com still lists Fedora Core 1.
When I talk to the Red Hat folks about a migration path for my RedHat 9 home system, they push Fedora.
I have not gone to it becuase this system is my only computer at home and I use it every day.
It is dual boot with Windows XP. I need/want windows for Corel Painter and possibly later if I take a Photoshop class.
So as far as I am concerned, there is no RedHat migration path for me.
If it takes long enough for them to get stable, I will try Debian instead.
Because of my dial-up access, I need a distribution that a friend can burn a CD for me or I can get one from Cheap Bytes.
Debian is the one distribution for which will never have to deal with a license policy change driven by revenue concerns.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." -- Albert Einstein
No idea on rhythmbox player though, I never use it. And unlike the 7 series, I couldn't get mplayer to work *at all*. I'm sure that's just my problem, but something was always borked with it when I tried it several times.
Let me see if I can find this funny rant with a buncha practical howtos on playing sounds and dvds and whatnot....
OK, here it is, how to get the damn things to work!
Either watching it slows the connection down, like when you watch a pot waiting for water to boil or sleeping speeds the connection up. I will have to do more testing to determine which one is actually happening.
I have been using apt4rpm for the past few months now and found that I cannot live without it. It takes care of all the dependancy checking, updating, etc, etc. I rarely find something that is not listed in a repository. There is even a very nice gui called Synaptic if you prefer that sort of thing.
A good place to start is ATrpms.
--Glenn
Sorry, but you asked for it...
f5093032973830d5cb457f7293ebc047
That, I believe, is a "string (of any length) which matches the following MD5Sum."
Let the flaming begin.
MD5 hashes are 128-bits, not 32-bits. That means the probability is closer to 2^-128.
What a troll, that was from test 1, since then there have been two other tests and now an official release. Its been fixed for months.
Maybe you should try reading some of the comments, paying special attention to dates and releases, like the one below. Seems to me like you're the only one trolling here.
Additional Comment #21 From Jim on 2004-05-17 12:33
After 3 days of hashing out this. From formating and starting with FC1 up throught FC2t3 all I can say is this does not look good. The grub change to the CHS values is the deal. The problem for me went a way if I have xp boot on a different drive and switch at boot in BIOS. Is there any thing anyone would like me to try?
If you had bothered to click the bug link, you would see that there are reports it is still in test2 and test3.
It has not been closed yet.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." -- Albert Einstein
...can be read here.
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char s[] = "f5093032973830d5cb457f7293ebc047";
Use strcmp() to verify that it matches.
Here's another one:
char S[] = "f5093032973830d5cb457f7293ebc047\0:-)";
The md5sum algorithm must have had more work put into it than that. It's not sufficient that every byte in the file affects the output of the hash function.
e.g.: for a hash function, I could sum all the bytes in the file and mod by 2^256... this would fulfill the conditions you've listed. For distinugishing random data it would be a decent hash function. But for defending against people who try to cause a trojanned file to have a collision with the real deal, it would suck.
Basically, as users we have to hope that in some sense it is generically difficult for a person to whip up a file having a desired md5sum. I'm not quite sure how to formulate that in a way that's both useful and precise. It's tempting to say that it would suffice to use a hash function that is not easily reversible, but I don't think that's actually relevant.
Of course someone who may actually know what they're talking about has written a wikipedia article.
The torrent page has links for the -test3 line, but I don't see any for FC2-final. Am I missing something?
steve
Oh, you're not stuck, you're just unable to let go of the onion rings.
If you're using a webcam based off of the Philips chipset, be aware that the kernel shipping with Fedora Core 2 (2.6.5-1.358) has the pwc driver disabled due to bugs, so your camera will not work with this release.
This issue should affect all of the following cameras:
Excerpt taken from the linux-2.6.5-1.358/drivers/usb/media/Kconfig file:
* Philips PCA645, PCA646
* Philips PCVC675, PCVC680, PCVC690
* Philips PCVC720/40, PCVC730, PCVC740, PCVC750
* Askey VC010
* Logitech QuickCam Pro 3000, 4000, 'Zoom', 'Notebook Pro' and 'Orbit'/ 'Sphere'
* Samsung MPC-C10, MPC-C30
* Creative Webcam 5, Pro Ex
* SOTEC Afina Eye
* Visionite VCS-UC300, VCS-UM100
The PWC driver is disabled as noted by the "&& BROKEN" at the end of this line in the Kconfig file:
depends on USB && VIDEO_DEV && BROKEN
--It's Pimptastic!--
I would, but the tracker for the Duke torrents posted on the front page of the fedora site is down right now.
You can joke all you want about not caring about windows booting, but the bug is potentially more serious than just not booting windows. It is very likely that bug is the same as this one:
Bug 113201
Basically, you can get a screwed up partition table. It appears this is due to changes in the way that the 2.4 and 2.6 kernel reported hard disk geometry. These changes were not account for yet (to my knowledge) in parted, which is used in the FC2 install. This results in inconsistent (between FC2 and other OS'es, perhaps more than just windows) entries in your partition table.
I don't know how likely it is that this will cause a problem on any given machine. Perhaps for smaller disks the way the 2.4 vs 2.6 kernels report geometry will be the same, and there will be no problem. You might want to try to boot into a 2.6 kernel based live CD and compare values to what you see in a 2.4 kernel before installing FC2. For more information on this, see this thread:
This is a very serious problem, which sadly appears to have been known about for some time, and no warnings have appeared in any release notes (much less delaying releases to fix it). You can note the distress of some reporters in the bugzilla comments. I am distressed that the problem has gone unfixed this far, and more distressed about the very little attention it has gotten. I am not going to install FC2 until this is dealt with.
For those of at the office w/ a T1 or so, why not join the torrent? I've been doing this for a day and it's my way of giving back and bit and speeding up everybody else's download.
This guy is way out there
Sorry, the missing thread above is:
2.6 kernels misdetect harddisk geometry, 2.4 kernels are fine
I starting download using BitTorrent around 10:00am ET when it was official released but the download rate was horrible (like 5 KiB/s). Then arround noon it got really fast (like 200 KiB/s)!!! What happened?! That was when this article was posted on Slashdot so I had more peers to talk to - maybe the first reverse slashdotting ever.
- Open up ports 6881-6999/tcp so other clients can contact you for bits [...]
- Once your download is complete please leave your downloader running so it can help upload to the other clients. This is what makes bittorrent efficient.
This seems to be wrong on a couple of points.First off bt is uploading from my machine even if I'm NATed and not doing port forwarding for that range (there must be some sort of push-based-transfer request that the host I'm connected to can issue in the protocol) and second, leaving it up would also seem to be unnecessary to boost efficiency (though it is extra-nice, certainly), as it's uploading during the entire download, and I benefit the community of downloaders as long as I'm downloading.
So what's the deal here?
In addition to the one linked to on the fedora main page.
Others will have suggested using yum or apt. RPM is not, as in n-o-t, intended to resolve dependency issues. Your toaster doesn't make ice cream, Do you whine about that?
Folks need to remember that dependencies always exist in every distribution. Different packaging schemes have different ways to tell you something's missing, but they're all telling you the same thing.
If you think someone needs to be blamed for dependency hell, go blame the developers.
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
As someone else mentioned, you'll need to forward at least ports 6881 to 6889 (or 6999 if you feel the need) from your router to your PC. Each window you open needs its own port.
You may also need to figure out how to get through your firewall, if you have one.
This site might prove helpful, if it is up.
Regarding your question: BitTorrent does work through routers even if your ports are "closed", but in order for you to download anything, someone else's ports must be open. You are uploading at such a high rate because someone else has their ports open.
If everyone's ports are closed, no one will be able to connect to each other and nothing will happen. If the seeder's ports are open and all of the leecher's ports are closed, the leechers will not share with each other and you'll be back to having a very slow FTP site (basically).
If you open your ports, you will see drastically higher speeds. You may also want to limit your uploads a bit since you need some upload bandwidth to be able to download. Your PC needs to be able to tell the other peers that it got the pieces that they sent.
HTH.
Withdrawal before climax is very ineffective and those who try this are usually called "parents."
I'm a Mac user, so I can't readily download this and install it, but I am interested in seeing what it (and the new features) looks like. Anyone have a link? Google wasn't useful.
mbbac
...for this decade's release?
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
http://unix.schluting.com/fedora/FC2-i386-isos/
Limited mostly by CPU. (Dual 550's)
Have fun
-truth
I had a steady B+ in my AI class until I failed the Turing test...
This is probably not the forum but I installed this last night and noticed
that *apt* of all things no longer works w/ fedora core 2. The fedora apt was built off of librpm-4.2 while the version currently part of fedora is librpm-4.3. The other annoying issue is the synaptic touchpad doesn't work i.e. the standard laptop touchpad! It seems that you have to download the src XF-4 to fix this which i haven't gotten to doing.. lastly KNotify crashes in kde for some unknown reason.. I'm not sure what the fix is for this..
A hash collision in MD5 has, to the best of my knowledge, been found.
It represented a considerable amount of work - even if the 128-bit hash was perfect, the workfactor would have been 2^64, and collisions in the compression function were found to affect the balance, thus slightly weighting the probabilities and allowing for a search on the order of 2^58; still a considerable amount of work and it took a couple of years.
I'd link the PDF, but it's gone walkabout; you should be able to find the precursors without too much trouble though.
Of course, that's just a birthday attack (find a pair of files, neither given, any length, with same md5sum), and it's just one time. You'd have to do it all over again to find another pair.
The attack presented here (given md5sum, find or pad file to match) is not currently feasible. That's workfactor 2^128 and it doesn't look like the compression function weaknesses can really help (much) - the work would be over 2^100, quite impossible today.
MD4 is weaker (as it exposes the compression function problems). SHA-1 is stronger (not least because it is a 160-bit hash, giving 2^80 birthday). RIPEMD-160 is also pretty good, as is TIGER192, and you can't discount the new breed of SHA-256, SHA-384 and SHA-512.
I downloaded the recommended ABC client (win32 version) forwarded ports 6881 to 6889 to my workstation and am now doing over 330KB/s DL and 45KB/s UL .. finally! Thanks to y'all
This is a stolen sig.
When we get proper multicast support
Maybe the folks who stole the Cisco IOS code were just sick of waiting for multicast and are planning to hack it in.
Whatever happened to mbone?
That's a complete myth: a watched pot actually boils *faster* than an unobserved one. It's true! If you don't believe me, then try it yourself, you'll be AMAZED!
Is there a package list for FC 2? I found one on the fedora site for FC 1, but not FC 2 yet.
All i had to do was
1. wget the latest "yum-2.0.7xxxx" rpm from the fastested mirror
2. wget the "fedora-release"
rpm -Uvh yum*
rpm -Uvh fedora-release*
yum update
yum upgrade
and i rebooted
Ofcourse, i have serial access into the server so i could watch grub and bootup process, so if you don't have direct access just be carefull.
I've upgraded from RH9, FC1 and FC2 RC2,3 and now FC2 all this way.
Your juvenile attempts at humour not withstanding this is starting to look like a major problem. I'm watching the bug reports pile in this morning as people try to install.
Two of us in my office installed FC2 this morning and we were both greeted with GRUB's CLI on reboot after install completion.
Mine is a dual boot Win2K / FC1 (now FC2) and his was a strictly FC1 installation. We both are using two drives and for both of us the drives were erased prior to installation, with the exception of my Win2k install obviously.
The problem is that no matter WHAT you set your BIOS to, or what it autodetects, somehow FC2 is changing the BIOS entries to read 528...the old DOS limit. Which puts grub.conf as well as everything else out of reach of GRUB!
My attempts at manually overriding the geometry translation using GRUB's geometry command have led to frustation since GRUB stubbornly refuses to allow me to set it beyond it's stupid, and false, BIOS translation.
Neither of us had any problems with these boxes before installing FC2 and I am will to bet $1000 if I pull FC2 off and re-install FC1 it will go away.
They should have WARNED people that this was a problem. This was sloppy sloppy work and FC2 was obviously not ready for prime time release yet.
MD5 was designed exactly for that scenario, so that very similar data would give completely different results. It's one of the most common types of fault, if it couldn't handle that, what would be the point?
Once you've got it keep it running. It's in your own selfish interest to help as many people get this thing so that they can in turn help you if you run into any problems--the more people who have it, the larger your support base. I'm seeding the duke cdr iso's now, you should too!
Please, no hit and runs.
Seems like it's pretty darn hard to find good DVD iso's of FC 2. Many of the mirrors do not have the DVD iso, or, if they do, it's an incomplete
ISO.
I'm fine with Fedora 1 right now, except for one glaring error. With this whole Bluecurve thing that sort of integrated gnome and kde oddly and in a really screwed up way, adding and deleting items from your gnome menu (like the start menu), is near impossible. Same problem with RH 9.
Anyone know if this is fixed in Fedora 2?
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You can download just the boot.iso and then boot with "linux ask method" this will allow you to point to an FTP site with the FC2 tree on it. Then select upgrade instead of fresh instal.... Voila!
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I would have expected it to be in first place! :P
I can concour. I put water into a pot, used a timer, and as soon as I heared the water boiling the timer showd 12 minutes. I reset the timer, turned the heat off to stop the boiling, then turned the flame back on, watched it, and it started boiling within a few seconds!!!
ISTR some distributed project to calculate md5 hash collisions; the idea being that once you've calculated 2^64 md5's or so, you start getting lots of them, and as they get demonstratably easier to break... uh... well, I guess then we might actually start using SHA1 in more than a handful of places ;)
:)
OpenSSL can act as an md5(1) replacement using SHA1 btw; iirc you can just symlink it to a file called sha1, and use it like a normal BSD md5
I am just wondering what is the version of the Red Hat Artwork package that is used in the final release. The latest I found in RPM Search is 0.96. Was 1.00 finished for the Fedora Core 2 release?
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Historically every time RedHat distros have jumped major kernel releases the train wreck after the release took a couple of months to iron itself out. I'd recommend to anybody who wants to use FC 2 (and don't want to deal with the odd kernel problems) wait 2 to 4 months before doing an install. That way the major kinks will be ironed out.
I did'nt want to upgrade my servers from RH 9 to Rh Enterprise, so I waited until LAST week to install FC 1.
Regardless of the kinks, Fedora IS a cool distro!
Why don't you try FreeBSD Unix and/or Slackware Linux? Both are good choices if you're looking for something KISS-compliant.
www.freebsd.org
www.slackware.com
OK, I'm *not* dual booting. Just FC2. Whatever they've done with the 2.6 geometry code detection/translation/hashings has FUBAR'd this puppy beyond use. Apprently this issue isn't being seen by users of the current 2.6 kernel. This looks to have been fixed months ago and didn't make it into FC2 - yet. See article at the end here for details. Or I'm just not seeing what I think I'm finding... (wouldn't be the first time)
/dev/hda is 10GB drive and is dedicated to /boot and swap - nothing else.
/dev/hdb is 80GB and has everything else on it.
::SIGH::
P-III 500 - 1999 BIOS - 2 Hard drives, 10GB and 80GB.
Brand new FC2 install, grub is installed to MBR on hda. On boot all I get is a grub shell. Tossed a few geo commands to see what's going on:
grub>geometry (hd0)
drive 0x80: C/H/S = 512/32/63, The number of sectors = 1032192, LBA
Partition num : 0, Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
Partition num : 1,
Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
After a moment of WTF?? I check the BIOS settings. Sure enough - they're now set to: 512/32/63. Something is setting the BIOS back to values that don't make any sense. So, I re-detect the drive, save the correct geometry into BIOS and boot again. Same results.
Try again, but this time feeding grub the correct geometry.
grub> geometry (hd0) 1024 768 63
Same exact dang-blasted frustrating result.
Just to be sure I wasen't be'n prank'd, pulled the GPG key from fedora.redhat.com - again, re-verified that the md5sums I have are legit. Re-verified the iso md5s - even did the mediacheck after burning - twice - all OK. It just flat out dosen't work with large drives on an older BIOS.
FWIW - this same hardware was working perfectly under FC1 - 2.4 kernel yum'd to latest. I'm fairly sure it'll be running correctly again soon, after another 2 (plus)hours of re-install to FC1.
I'm amazed this was released as anything but an alpha test. I mean, I know we're the 'development' lab-rats for Redhat - but come on. Most labs at least feed and water their test subjects - maybe even a T-shirt, or some cedar shreddings...
Here's an article (google cache) that describes what appears to be this same problem and the fix for it that was submitted to the kernel devel folks some time ago.
Looks like I'm off to find a BIOS update and hope against hope this'll work - but I'm not holding my breath. May well be the days of using older hardware are goners??? Mmm, first though - going to move what's on the 10GB drive to an old 3.2 - apprenlty it's within the BIOS limitations - see what happens....
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My first Linux experience was Mandrake. Last year I switched to Red Hat when they had the Demo program. When they switched to Fedora, I tried it out and was not pleased with its instability. So, I moved on to Slackware and tested several other distros.
I finally settled on Gentoo Linux for its ease of use and support--not to mention cost! I'm not slamming other distros, just that this one suits my temperment.
So, Redhat, thanks for introducing me to Gentoo.
What those who want activist courts fear is rule by the people.
This can also be avoided by not using Fedora Core 2. Maybe next time they will do more testing on such "basic" implementations.
Hah, I made funny!
You're right!
BTW, what developmental release of Windows are you running?
"Rocky Rococo, at your cervix!"
[ off-topic pro mutt rant suppressed for civility ]
Repartitioning on 2.6 kernels can result incorrect partition table for Windows boot and they stop booting. Mandrake 10 and SUSE 9.1 have the same problem. There is more information and potential solutions on this site.
This works for me, not XP though
title Win 2000
root (hd2,0)
map (0x82) (0x80)
map (0x80) (0x82)
makeactive
chainloader +1
aeg
Of course, if you had actually read the bug report in their system you would realize that this is a 2.6.6 kernel problem. Not a grub or RedHat problem specifically, and in addition to that, they're in no way required to support your proprietary OS.
Anybody?
Please?
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
Or you can just use sha1sum(1)...
#include "sig.h"
boot.iso
FC2-i386-disc3.iso
FC2-i386-disc1.iso
FC2-i386-disc4.iso
FC2-i386-disc2.iso
FC2-i386-rescuecd.iso
that's not a bug...it's a feature!!!
yes that's correct, about 5-7 years ago someone figured out how to collide MD5's. The only trouble was the two colliding files were generated at the same time and were random garbage. No luck colliding anything legible. Still though it made some people nervous enough to increase the use of SHA1.
Apparently Redhat/Fedora considers using floppies to install passe or something. They offer no install methods other than cdrom or usb pen drive - no floppy images are included. :(
So much for trying this out on my laptop that has no cdrom
Is that hard configuring the X Window System? Well, it could be intimidating for first-time users, but configuring X doesn't make FreeBSD a not viable option for the desktop. I'm currently using FreeBSD as a desktop OS and don't miss anything (well, sometimes I miss a native Flash plugin for FreeBSD because of that Flash-only sites) and runs faster than any other OS (even faster than Slack). I haven't used Linux emulation on FreeBSD yet 'cause I don't need it. :)
I agree with you; FreeBSD is easier to install than other OSes such as Debian GNU/Linux. I would recommend FreeBSD for those who want to learn Unix. I wouldn't recommend it to everybody. The same goes for Windows.
It seems to happen if people have large hard drives (> 120 gig).
As if it goes without saying, HAVE A BACKUP OF YOUR STUFF FIRST before doing any install, especially something like this. Have a good backup with ghost, then if it screws up you can just blow away the drive and get back to where you were.
Any client will work, really. Maybe ABC has better features.
Whatever works for you. JUST KEEP YOUR WINDOW OPEN WHEN YOU FINISH!
(Sorry about the caps. Lots of people leech torrents.)
Withdrawal before climax is very ineffective and those who try this are usually called "parents."
It's not the probability of two random sets of 2GB date having the same md5 signature, it's the probability of one md5 signature being the same as another md5 signature. See Birthday Paradox for more information.
The good news is that that means the probability is much lower.
The following is a rather naive calculation, but it will do.
MD5 produces a 128 bit signature, with 128 meaningful bits (ie no parity checks or anything). By pigeonhole principle, this means that any data input larger than 7 bytes must have collisions.
So, given a dataset of 2GB (ie ~8^2,000,000,000 different values), for any given MD5 value there are ~8^1,999,999,993 values that would give it. This is a lot, but you'd still have to search around 8^7 (~2 million) values in order to get a collision.
It would take a long time.
And that's assuming that you weren't trying to introduce some sort of attack.
So, with an MD5 it's extremely unlikely (8^-7) that you'd hit a collision, and it's ungodly unlikely that you'd be able to construct a malicious collision.
Yes, it does. Few newbie friends of mine were tempted by geeks like you. Guess what, everybody put back FC (and neither one of them finished the setup).
I had good laughs anyway. It is a viable desktop platform if you know what you do. In that case every *X is good on desktop for ME, except OSX. (I hate OSX, but that's my personal opinion and personal reasons)
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Hi,
anybody tried it on amd64 or Opteron ?
I am using SuSe 9.0 right now but there are some occasions where I am getting freeze-ups on 2 machines, one a Single opteron and on a Dual opteron both on Tyan MB.
Thanks.
The whole point of RHEL is that it has a long release cycle. If you want a distribution that is quick to adopt new kernels, use something other than RHEL.
It's still a lot easier to setup FC1 than FreeBSD. For a n00b, it's definately easier.
Installing packages in FC1 is a matter of downloading an RPM and double clicking. Or use synaptic. No command line. For n00bs, it's the cat's ass.
As well, the desktop in FC1 makes sense. I'm sure they've improved on it in FC2.
And yes, I think configuring X is a waste of time. I've had to do it before, and I could do it again if I wanted to, but I really hate doing it. I shouldn't have to. The installer should do that for me.
You might find you don't need feature "X" and you can do without it, but really, most users aren't you. If there's an App out there they can't run, they won't be happy.
I guess you've never had to install Coldfusion on a FreeBSD box, just for example. No native support. You have to MacGuyver your way through it.
To each their own, but I really do like FC on the desktop. I just prefer FreeBSD on the server.
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Yes, but those of us with BSD systems have no such tools by default. Besides, BSD md5 is nicer than the GNU one ;)
:)
(I can qualify that remark, but let's not
Somewhere else someone said that this happens because it's corrupting the partition tables. Is that so?
If it's just a problem with the boatloader I can still install it on my machine since I use BeOS's Be Boot Loader to triple boot Linux, BeOS, and WinXP.
Anyone else have more info on this?
I know people who would pay you for creating shortcuts on their Windows desktop. No kidding. And others don't care about what they're using if everything works properly and don't have to worry about threads like viruses and worms. I guess there are many kinds of people.
... how boring!!!
Every OS has its pros and cons; Fedora might be easier to install, and FreeBSD is much faster booting up and running aps. I've found KDE to be more responsive on FreeBSD.
I think the command line is more powerful than any flashy GUI. Do they really want to learn something new? That's the point.
It's hard to fight against all that MS monoculture; one OS, one browser, one word processing app,
It affects the stable release, too.
I actually read your post before installing it and thought it must have been fixed already, but it isn't.
Luckily I managed to recover by changing the HDD type to LBA and running fixmbr&fixboot from the XP recovery console.
Still, I can't understand how they release it with such bug and without mentioning it anywhere in the release notes.
It is impossible to leech torrents, but its possible to not seed one if your close it just as you finished the download.
But... knowing that it is the "tracker" who verify if you upload before letting you download, a modified tracker could allow such a thing.
If I was an owner of a big tracker server (example: suprnova), I'd let my own IP as leech for sure.
Doing it for many people is just stupid and would of course kill the bittorrent usefulness.
Neither, it stays the same. Desired properties of one-way hash codes (basis for signatures) includes that small(est) changes should result in big changes: a single bit change should on average result in change of 50% of bits in resulting hash code.
I got burnt by this bug on FC2 test 1. Took me a full weekend to recover - lucky I had a morphix live CD and a spare 80GB drive to help with my 'post-disaster' backup!
:(
Anyway I just wanted to say that I discovered a magic tool that will probably fix most of your problems before anything gets too messy - gpart.
http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ Unfortunately for me, I discovered it too late
Grab the static binary, whack it on a floppy, then run it after booting a live CD. Let it guess your old partition layout and Roger's your uncle.
So much for the ideology of "choice," eh?
Not.
I did not ask them to support my "proprietary os", I _expected_ them to release a distro that actually installed and ran on the same hardware that FC1 did.
So did the other "flipperhead" in my office who is NOT dual booting and had the same problem. This issue is NOT confined to dual booters, so pull your head out.
This machine has also run Suse 9.0, Suse 9.1, Knoppix 3.2 - 3.4, RH8 & 9 and a few others without ANY problems. At all.
After the fact I find out there has been ongoing issues with this since test 1 that apparently no one bothered to fix. If there is a kernel issue with 2.6.5-x that prevents it from booting a chunk of the time don't you feel it should have been fixed before release?
Please tell me where my expectations went awry?
Not completely related to the FC2 part, but more along the lines that it's a bug in the 2.6 kernel. I had been running FC1 when it was first out and loved it. I got a SuSe 9.1 from a friend and tried it out, great too, another nice flavor. Tried to boot into windows, BURN. I've been looking all over for fixes and answers. This has been the most help so far with bugzilla reports and BIOS fixes, but I still have a problem. I can boot into windows, great. I can't get windows to keep video drivers for the life of me. I first thought windows had reset my drivers when I went into a recovery console, for whatever reason, so I just downloaded them again and installed. Upson reboot, they were gone again. Does this have anything to do with the HD being forced into LBA mode? I haven't made any changes to windows since not being able to access it, so I can't think of anything else...
I use BT all the time for other stuff, and it works fine. But with this torrent (and the "leaked" torrent earlier) all I'm getting is errors ("connection refused" and "timeout exceeded"). Is the tracker just overwhelmed, or are others still getting good d/l rates?
"It sure was strange to see something on Usenet about me that didn't involve Klingon gang rape." -- Wil Wheaton
Finally!! I found a way around this FUBAR. Disable LBA in BIOS - suddenly everything works just like it's supposed to. FC2 looks schweet!!
Senior NCO in the fight against entropy. I've seen things, man. Things no one should have to see.....
I had this same problem with Mandrake 10 on my dual boot. Couldn't boot into XP after installing Mandrake. I was thinking that lilo corrupted something in the boot sector, but perhaps not. Must be the 2.6.x kernel in Mandrake 10. (?)
Scott
I used Bit Torrent for 8 hours. The max bandwidth I got was 1-5 KiB a second... I have DSL with a cap that I have experimentally found at 128KiB a second. So therefor Bit Torrent was just plain crap. I got fed up. I took getright and cruised through all the quickly loading mirrors on the fedora page and added all the mirrors to the getright program. I have accelerated downloading turned on. I am now getting a fluctuation of 80KiB to what it is saying is 130KiB a second... But I'll chalk up that extra 2KiB as error. So instead of finishing the fedora download in 100 hours I am looking more at 6. I would really suggest that bit torrent incorporate downloading from ftp mirrors. Also I would like to take this empirical evidence to show that Bit Torrent is ...slow... more like Bit Trickle. Setup(2500mhz Pentium, 512 MB Ram, 1st with the stock bit torrent client and 2nd with yet another bit torrent client) Also... another gripe... with bit torrent it uploaded 250 MB and it only downloaded 15MB...bad...really makes me feel taken advantage of, especially because Bit Torrent as opposed to Get Right seems to decimate bandwidth on the rest of my home network with my family struggling with extremely slow speeds on their computers.
I've been having good luck with gtk-gnutella, avg speeds very close to my max bandwidth, and I'll have the full set burned 4 hours. The interface is easy to work with, though filtering doesn't work as expected. (Since when doesn't 'Apply' mean right fucking now?)
After searching around, I found this post.
/ 20 04-May/msg02114.html
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list
It describes how the partition table has geometry values for both LBA and C/H/S (cylinders, heads, and sectors, I presume).
In the fedora bug, these values get inconsistent with heach other, with LBA being correct.
The post describes how to re-create your partition table so that both sets of values are correct.
Use extreme caution with the procedure in the post. You could lose everything on the disk.
I only have one system at home and I can't afford to toast it. So I will wait until they figure out the cause of this bug.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." -- Albert Einstein
Yep... It worked!. First I filled a pot with water, then I set the stove to high. It took almost 5 minutes before I heard it boiling.
Then, I turned off the stove and waited for the water to stop boiling. When I turned the stove back on. I couldn't believe my eyes. As I watched, the water started boiling almost immediately. We're talking almosst a 30-1 difference here! Do you have any idea how much energy this could save???? Gotta go, the guys in the white coats are back!
OS Software is like love: The best way to make it grow is to give it away.
I personally have not found the tit-for-tat algorithm supposedly used in BT to be very effective. All I have to do is limit my upload to 5K/s and I can still get >300K/s download. Here's a recent download:
sharing: 0.022 (32.8 MB up / 1489.9 MB down)
I have my upload limited to 5K/s. I will seed my 1:1, but I could just disconnect. That would be as good as leeching.
It could be that I was mostly downloading from seeds, and so they didn't need any upload from me, so they were able to upload to me at top speed. However, I've had similar speeds on torrents with maybe 1 seed and a bunch of leeches.
Withdrawal before climax is very ineffective and those who try this are usually called "parents."