This is true, he even admitted to selling anti-virus software just for comfort, and the software prolly dosen't even do anything except show a splash screen.
He is the same as any other CEO, even MS, but people overlook that cuz only MS is evil, no one else is trying to scam you in this biz, of course not!
Microsoft just happened to be the best scam artists in the market, does not mean they are the only ones, and if it was somebody else that we would be better off!
Somebody will write a conversion program to convert AAC into MP3 or OGG and bam, back on P2P except without any DRM:) (And cd-quality)
It's only a matter of time. I am a pirate because I want to:P, I get to have all the stuff I can't afford and it's great, maybe once I get a job and start making money I'll change, but as long as the risk is minimal (alot smaller then getting caught stealing stereos) I will keep pirating everything in sight:)
The ol saying "It's not a sale lost cuz I wouldn't buy it anyway" really applies to me, I'm broke as shit:P
You hit the nail right on the head, and you still don't understand.
Imagine a plague of small time theives, shoplifters, they pick on certain stores all the time and it hurts their business as well as drives prices up.
You run a store that dosen't get hit, but you feel the effect a bit cuz the society as a whole is affected, but not all in the same way.
Now imagine you run one of those stores that gets hit, and you lose alot of money, it's not just an effect, it hurts you at the core of your business.
See how perspective can be defined? Just because YOU in your life are not affected by spam as much as neihbor is, some people are in fact affected by this, and through a larger scale, so their perspective of it is far worse than yours, so stop seeing life through your plain eyes and see the big picture, just because your perspective dosen't rank spam on a high priority, it dosent mean others are in the same situation.
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You're just flaming, find something else to do.
I'm talking about the source that deals with encryption, and that it can be bypassed by having the source, changing it so it dosen't even look for it even.
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Yes, you're answer is the most common one, the law is the only thing protecting DRM, makes sense.
Problem with this is, I doubt everyone who makes hardware will follow US policies this way, and I'm not worried than soon I will be forced to use X software with X hardware. Alot of hardware is made in China and Japan, most likely they don't share the same ideals as the RIAA, so for it to work, everyone in the world almost, has to agree that you should be locked down, which won't happen.
The only thing we could worry about is mainstream music, because it's the only thing the US solely controls and can actually put these things in place without approval. But again, the drm'd media will require hardware that protects it and most hardware is not made in the US so this will be another problem, and most companies will not want to limit their users in the ways they can only play mainstream music.
Technology for it has been around for awhile, but it's not been implemented cuz the people who make hardware don't agree and probably won't ever agree. The RIAA is alone in it's battle, and they are resorting the lowest of low tactics to scare people because they know DRM is implausible.
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Ok, I got that scenario earlier, but this is completly irrelevant to Linus, completly up to the hardware vendor to decide this. (As far a DRM checks) But to be quite frank with you, the DMCA hasen't had a real test in court yet, you should rest a bit on the fact that DRM will kill everything, right now, the governement is skued to think that it's best so companies can make more money. The companies have not really abused it enough to affect regular joe schmoe, or even the governement, but it's going to come eventually, and that's when the test will show that everything we have now is due to the openness of technology.
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Sure I understand the keys are not there, but if you have the program that does the encoding, you can understand the algorithms used can't you? I don't see how you can hide anything. If you know how stuff gets encrypted, surely you can decrypt. Same goes for knowing how it uses the key system, you can write something to fake the key process or what not, cuz you have all the code that does the talking with the encryption, understand what I am saying?
It's like showing someone exactly how the internals of a specific car ignition works, and what shape the key has to be in for it to work, and expect other people not to be able to reproduce the key.
You're giving them the keyhole, they can study it and make their own key.
Again, I'm no expert, but I still haven't gotten a solid answer to disprove my theory, so I will stick with it until someone can show me how wrong I am, if so.
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No, you don't understand what I said.
I'm not a cryptographer, nor do I know much on the topic, but I know some programming languages.
What I am saying is, it dosen't matter how good your encryption is if you hafto publish the source to your decryptor, wouldnt you be able to make a decryptor that dosen't require a key or something?
Maybe I just don't get it, but I don't see how you write a program (DRM) and give the source to everyone and expect to protect anything, cuz you're giving the key to the public aren't you? by giving them the source?
If this is true, it renders DRM on GPL completly useless.
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While Linus dosen't want to take a political stand on the issue (completly understandable, he's mearly protecting the sole reason for the existence of OSS) I think the GPL will clearly protect itself.
If you are required to publish the source of your work, even if you use DRM with linux, the source of that DRM must be released, which kinda cancels it out dosen't it? Making it pointless.
I'm not 100% sure on this, but putting DRM on anything GPL'd is a waste of time, cuz a DRM is only good if it's closed source.
Because those stats are bogus, there are probably more linux users than mac users, but because linux dosen't always involve a sale, it's hard to track, that 1% is total shit.
I didn't condon it, I mearly said, people don't understand the economy, they think that a cost to a company goes down the toilet, and it's not true, it goes to pay other companies and their programmers. No money is **lost** just put elsewhere, maybe for a stupid reason, but it happens all the time.
I would be willing to put alot of money into a bet that says that symantec of norton write viruses to keep their anti-virus scene alive.
Who knows about it more than them? Who knows, maybe the spammers are the ones who own the companies that make anti-spam, make money 8761876213 ways, its the MS way.
I might be going out on a limb, but everything is derived from bell, even windows's kernel, Unix paved the way for the PC, seems to me that if they win this, it involves alot more than just linux.
I trust people who earn my trust, the way he sees it, he wants us to be forced (by law mind you) to trust everyone. And like you say, time and time again, the corrupt will take the upper hand.
Yay, another ignorant, there are certainly an abundance of people on slashdot who have the "I have nothing to hide" mentality.
You say pirate software, sure it's illegal. But what I visited web sites or downloaded materials related to religions? or sexuality? completly legal materials. And imagine an agent, who has his own moral views and decide he dosen't agree with what you are doing, even tho is completly legal, he can make your life a living hell, this goes for most everything, our privacy is the most important part of our freedom, because other people don't always share our views. Especially on very controversial issues.
I'll go ahead and assume you're just a youngin, because any adult in his/her right mind knows this, and knows that the ability to believe in what you want is the real freedom, without having people in power being able to discriminate.
Many people are in the same line of thought I have noticed, they surely wouldn't want it happening to them, but to someone they don't like it's completly acceptable. That's why our justice system is struggling, there are many too many people who see it that way.
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All spammers are bad, but they gotta start with the worst in these cases. It's true that a deceptive email subject line bringing you to a porn site is alot worse than someone trying to sell you a pair of shoes (to parents anyway).
So even if it's not everything, it's a step in the right direction, I am happy:P
Granted, it can make a difference, but you and many others seem to want to compare this to a physical abuse crime.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but there is a big difference between someone who steals your stereo and someone who rapes a child. They are quite frankly, not even close in comparison, if you think so, maybe you should be institutionalized.
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Is it me, or will it be awesome to see the scene where the guy gets his heart ripped out in dvd quality? Not to mention theatre sound!
This is true, he even admitted to selling anti-virus software just for comfort, and the software prolly dosen't even do anything except show a splash screen.
He is the same as any other CEO, even MS, but people overlook that cuz only MS is evil, no one else is trying to scam you in this biz, of course not!
Microsoft just happened to be the best scam artists in the market, does not mean they are the only ones, and if it was somebody else that we would be better off!
Amen brother!
Canada really is a great country. I am proud.
Somebody will write a conversion program to convert AAC into MP3 or OGG and bam, back on P2P except without any DRM
It's only a matter of time. I am a pirate because I want to
The ol saying "It's not a sale lost cuz I wouldn't buy it anyway" really applies to me, I'm broke as shit
You're mearly collateral damage, Bush has already said this is acceptable, so you better build a shelter or something, no one will protect you.
Being called for jury duty dosen't give the right to "convict" anyone there bud
You hit the nail right on the head, and you still don't understand.
Imagine a plague of small time theives, shoplifters, they pick on certain stores all the time and it hurts their business as well as drives prices up.
You run a store that dosen't get hit, but you feel the effect a bit cuz the society as a whole is affected, but not all in the same way.
Now imagine you run one of those stores that gets hit, and you lose alot of money, it's not just an effect, it hurts you at the core of your business.
See how perspective can be defined? Just because YOU in your life are not affected by spam as much as neihbor is, some people are in fact affected by this, and through a larger scale, so their perspective of it is far worse than yours, so stop seeing life through your plain eyes and see the big picture, just because your perspective dosen't rank spam on a high priority, it dosent mean others are in the same situation.
You're just flaming, find something else to do.
I'm talking about the source that deals with encryption, and that it can be bypassed by having the source, changing it so it dosen't even look for it even.
Yes, you're answer is the most common one, the law is the only thing protecting DRM, makes sense.
Problem with this is, I doubt everyone who makes hardware will follow US policies this way, and I'm not worried than soon I will be forced to use X software with X hardware. Alot of hardware is made in China and Japan, most likely they don't share the same ideals as the RIAA, so for it to work, everyone in the world almost, has to agree that you should be locked down, which won't happen.
The only thing we could worry about is mainstream music, because it's the only thing the US solely controls and can actually put these things in place without approval. But again, the drm'd media will require hardware that protects it and most hardware is not made in the US so this will be another problem, and most companies will not want to limit their users in the ways they can only play mainstream music.
Technology for it has been around for awhile, but it's not been implemented cuz the people who make hardware don't agree and probably won't ever agree. The RIAA is alone in it's battle, and they are resorting the lowest of low tactics to scare people because they know DRM is implausible.
Ok, I got that scenario earlier, but this is completly irrelevant to Linus, completly up to the hardware vendor to decide this. (As far a DRM checks) But to be quite frank with you, the DMCA hasen't had a real test in court yet, you should rest a bit on the fact that DRM will kill everything, right now, the governement is skued to think that it's best so companies can make more money. The companies have not really abused it enough to affect regular joe schmoe, or even the governement, but it's going to come eventually, and that's when the test will show that everything we have now is due to the openness of technology.
Sure I understand the keys are not there, but if you have the program that does the encoding, you can understand the algorithms used can't you? I don't see how you can hide anything. If you know how stuff gets encrypted, surely you can decrypt. Same goes for knowing how it uses the key system, you can write something to fake the key process or what not, cuz you have all the code that does the talking with the encryption, understand what I am saying?
It's like showing someone exactly how the internals of a specific car ignition works, and what shape the key has to be in for it to work, and expect other people not to be able to reproduce the key.
You're giving them the keyhole, they can study it and make their own key.
Again, I'm no expert, but I still haven't gotten a solid answer to disprove my theory, so I will stick with it until someone can show me how wrong I am, if so.
No, you don't understand what I said.
I'm not a cryptographer, nor do I know much on the topic, but I know some programming languages.
What I am saying is, it dosen't matter how good your encryption is if you hafto publish the source to your decryptor, wouldnt you be able to make a decryptor that dosen't require a key or something?
Maybe I just don't get it, but I don't see how you write a program (DRM) and give the source to everyone and expect to protect anything, cuz you're giving the key to the public aren't you? by giving them the source?
If this is true, it renders DRM on GPL completly useless.
While Linus dosen't want to take a political stand on the issue (completly understandable, he's mearly protecting the sole reason for the existence of OSS) I think the GPL will clearly protect itself.
If you are required to publish the source of your work, even if you use DRM with linux, the source of that DRM must be released, which kinda cancels it out dosen't it? Making it pointless.
I'm not 100% sure on this, but putting DRM on anything GPL'd is a waste of time, cuz a DRM is only good if it's closed source.
Because those stats are bogus, there are probably more linux users than mac users, but because linux dosen't always involve a sale, it's hard to track, that 1% is total shit.
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I didn't condon it, I mearly said, people don't understand the economy, they think that a cost to a company goes down the toilet, and it's not true, it goes to pay other companies and their programmers. No money is **lost** just put elsewhere, maybe for a stupid reason, but it happens all the time.
I would be willing to put alot of money into a bet that says that symantec of norton write viruses to keep their anti-virus scene alive.
Who knows about it more than them? Who knows, maybe the spammers are the ones who own the companies that make anti-spam, make money 8761876213 ways, its the MS way.
I might be going out on a limb, but everything is derived from bell, even windows's kernel, Unix paved the way for the PC, seems to me that if they win this, it involves alot more than just linux.
They just bring the money to other places. Those huge costs you speak of go into new businesses that make anti-spam software.
Let's annouce this to the taliban
All the spammers at one big event, perfect target, haha!
That's solid right there, exactly what I meant.
I trust people who earn my trust, the way he sees it, he wants us to be forced (by law mind you) to trust everyone. And like you say, time and time again, the corrupt will take the upper hand.
OMG!
See the reasonning? dumbass!
Yay, another ignorant, there are certainly an abundance of people on slashdot who have the "I have nothing to hide" mentality.
You say pirate software, sure it's illegal. But what I visited web sites or downloaded materials related to religions? or sexuality? completly legal materials. And imagine an agent, who has his own moral views and decide he dosen't agree with what you are doing, even tho is completly legal, he can make your life a living hell, this goes for most everything, our privacy is the most important part of our freedom, because other people don't always share our views. Especially on very controversial issues.
I'll go ahead and assume you're just a youngin, because any adult in his/her right mind knows this, and knows that the ability to believe in what you want is the real freedom, without having people in power being able to discriminate.
Many people are in the same line of thought I have noticed, they surely wouldn't want it happening to them, but to someone they don't like it's completly acceptable. That's why our justice system is struggling, there are many too many people who see it that way.
All spammers are bad, but they gotta start with the worst in these cases. It's true that a deceptive email subject line bringing you to a porn site is alot worse than someone trying to sell you a pair of shoes (to parents anyway).
So even if it's not everything, it's a step in the right direction, I am happy
Granted, it can make a difference, but you and many others seem to want to compare this to a physical abuse crime.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but there is a big difference between someone who steals your stereo and someone who rapes a child. They are quite frankly, not even close in comparison, if you think so, maybe you should be institutionalized.