Agreed, but one of the hurdles was that cheap media didn't work and it turned away potential modchipers, same with the xbox (you can replace the crappy drive with a real dvd-rom and play everything tho).
This is a weird step, all of the protection schemes sony has been putting on the PS2, and now they are taking steps to allow dvd-r/dvd-rw to be completly supported, maybe they think backing up is fair use? Isen't sony part of the RIAA? I am a bit confused.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not against going after the spammers, but isen't this whole suing game getting old? Everyone is sueing everyone else to get as much money as possible, and it's all our (consumers) money they are sueing each other over, maybe we should stop giving it to them and that way they won't be able to sue each other anymore.:P
Funny how the original intention was most likely not to collect data, but once you step across to the other side, and you HAVE the data, it's VERY hard to let go of it.
Same applies for governement (they already have alot), but the more they pass laws to give them data, the harder it will be to reverse.
We are talking about a university, and not hacker 101. If we were to stop teaching how to pick locks, there would be no future locksmiths, if you can't teach security, by showing flaws, you can't learn and become a security specialist.
If security personel we're taught how to takeover a plane and crash it, maybe they could prevent it better, but by not allowing them to know anything about it, they won't know what to expect will they? So you're theory about flying a plane into a building dosen't make sense, you're saying the less we know the safer we are.
In that case you can't fully blame m$, as you wouldn't blame a unix manufacturer if a unix admin was always running root, and a small bug could prove to be disasterous.
Great way to make your point stand above others to say the opposing opinion has no ground. While this is usefull in court, in a normal conversation, if you want respect, you hafta accept other people's opinions and state you're own, just because you have children and I don't does not mean a single thing about what I or you know, because you don't know me or anything I do, you have no grounds to call my opinion irrelevant.
I know alot of people who have children, it dosen't make them any smarter, I can garantee that, all it does is bring emotion into the picture, you obviously love your children, so you press stronger for your point, completly understandable.
But I have alot of knowledge on the issue, regardless of having my own or not, and I can offer a 3rd person perspective, which is otherwise rare as everyone in here proves that their love for their child and their need to protect is completly clouding judgement, now read properly, because I said judgement, not good nor bad, meaning it dosen't mean you make bad decisions, nor do you make good ones, but the fact you are a parent, emotion will cloud it.
My point in this matter is that such a system can bring abuse, which can be very detrimental to the child, like anything else. It can also be used properly and be very helpful, but throwing a new system like this in without proper education about the effects of abusing it, will be very detrimental, I wish I could say that most parents are aware enough to use it properly, but to be honest, the greater part won't. Not all parents read/. everyday to get a good dose of common sense and differencing opinion, most parents follow old ways the same way they grew up.
For a good pourcentage of people, if you give them 100 apples and tell them to ration for the winter, they will eat em all in few weeks and starve. Give them a system like this, and you will put more kids on the street who can't handle all the pressure they are getting (especially all those children who CAN'T be doctors and lawyers, and parents thinking it's something they did so they keep trying to fix it). We gotta face it, some children just aren't meant to learn theory, and are meant to work well with their hands and take up a trade, that's life.
If this system puts a gap between those children who can't learn the stuff taught in school (which constitutes many students) and the parents who monitor them closely and either punish them to study, or hire tutors, it's only gonna cause revolt from the child.
If I had children, I would give them enough credit not to look at that site, but I would make sure they know I can. Scared straight method works wonders, while leaving them a sense of being able to take care of themselves.
Morally I wouldn't be able to spy on my child, you can walk a a horse to water but you can make him drink, the responsibility of the parent is to teach the child why he should walk to the water, and that he should have a drink, but not stuff their head in the water, because that's only a temporary solution.
I know I will get some resentment from parents because I am not a parent, but I do have some sense in the issue, and we are trying:) so soon my opinion will be valid.
I am in between this issue, I can see the parent side, they want the best for their children, which is completly normal, and moral.
But on the other hand, you have the child, might be trying hard, might not, but with this, you're kinda taking all the trust away, by not believing them, so I feel for the kids that actually do their homework and have their parents watching over every turn, it's gonna bring feelings of resentment.
The child's best interest is not always to be watched like a hawk, sometimes it's to let him/her make a few mistakes and realize the importance of such things. Without realizing this, you can force them until they are like 14-15 and if they never realized it on their own, they will revolt, and you will have completly lost the battle, even if you're original intent was to give the child reason.
It's a form of over-protection, and it has had very detrimental effects in the past.
I wonder is security measures are gonna be upgraded, or maybe prices. Many claims that prices go up are due to piracy and illegal use of the satelite system. Something is gonna happen when Newscrop gets into that mess, and it won't be nice for the consumer:)
yea I wanted to answer to someone who replied to you, obviously we are in the same line of thought. Sorry about that, just got pissed that I fucked up and left, hehe:P
There is a serious problem, maybe it's not with n2h2, but the fact that governement is using software to protect it's citizens completly blind. Sure it sounds all peachy, but cmon, if you're gonna block people off, make sure you know what is being blocked, don't give a company like n2h2 the playground.
There are plenty of open source alternatives anyway, where you can manually control the blocked list, who is doing for the "consulting" for the governement, most likely someone who wants to keep his job. (prolonging the problem brings in more money)
This is bad both ways, gov wants to use proprietary over open source, and gov dosen't care that they can't control which sites are blocked and which aren't.
To be honest, that list should be public to the community, and sites should be debated by a community coucil for their library, to decide which should be allowed by standards in the area, no main entity is the know it all genie of what is right for everyone.
No need to jump off the cliff, I have made this suggestion many times to people who dislike microsoft's policies and are "stuck", basically, when it comes time to upgrade a certain product, consider the alternative, and slowly move on to another solution, just take your time, eventually, 3-4 years you will be rid of ms completly, with a very low cost as the transition will have been slow.
The DMCA is so blunt, it could still be used in that case, because the modchip seller could be charged as the "hyperlink" assisting in the copyright infrigement.
Same way the wake student at princeton is getting charged for providing the service that allows people to pirate, even if there are good things involved, same with modchips, the fact is they "can" be used to pirate and the DMCA protects that.
This shows how bad the law is and that it should be fought.
Here is the problem, and why you probably are pro-police state. Because it has never happened, you need to have proof of something being possible, instead of being open to possibilities that are beyond your grasp.
Ideas make the world prosper, there have been plenty in the past which were thought unimaginable, and now they are so true, you would be made fun of if you repeated.
No matter how crazy the idea, if you throw down the possibility, you garantee is won't happen, because you won't accept it.
Some people were talking about cloning and genetics up somewhere, if you cross-bread a monkey and a bird in the future, you could stick one in your ass and prove your theory. While this might be far from the truth now, the idea of it "not" being possible might be laughed at in the future. Might be a bad exmaple, but it's the truth, you can't deny possibilities or knowledge, that's what the article talks about, the freedom of knowledge and ideas, it drove us to where we are, and must be able to continue and flourish.
5 years is optimistic, but I would love to see it happen, the biggest hurdle for PDAs and portable computers is the battery life, power to the machines!
Hmmm, how can something be overrated? just because you don't like it it's automatically overrated? excuse me, you are the oracle of all movie opinions.
There are MANY people who think that the Star Wars trilogy is a great set of movies, hence it is not overrated, it's rated properly, overrated would be something that one person thinks being thrown out of proportion. This is the majority opinion, big difference, hence not overrated.
Do we shame Star Wars, of course not, we put it on a pedestal as an acheivement for it's time, same applies here, just because it's gonna be better dosen't mean it's gonna put anything to shame.
This is very false, as canadians we are very well protected by the system, and if a police officer pulls you over "for no reason" and starts questioning you without just cause, you are not obliged to answer, the right to remain silent. And you can also take them to court for harrassement.
What's the worth of an RFID? to prevent theft? Last time I checked theft wasen't a major issue apart from the 14 year olds who will stash a pair of underwear in the pocket, seriously what is the point? (The cost of these things will probably outweigh the loss in revenue from theft)
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Agreed, but one of the hurdles was that cheap media didn't work and it turned away potential modchipers, same with the xbox (you can replace the crappy drive with a real dvd-rom and play everything tho).
This is a weird step, all of the protection schemes sony has been putting on the PS2, and now they are taking steps to allow dvd-r/dvd-rw to be completly supported, maybe they think backing up is fair use? Isen't sony part of the RIAA? I am a bit confused.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not against going after the spammers, but isen't this whole suing game getting old? Everyone is sueing everyone else to get as much money as possible, and it's all our (consumers) money they are sueing each other over, maybe we should stop giving it to them and that way they won't be able to sue each other anymore.
Funny how the original intention was most likely not to collect data, but once you step across to the other side, and you HAVE the data, it's VERY hard to let go of it.
Same applies for governement (they already have alot), but the more they pass laws to give them data, the harder it will be to reverse.
We are talking about a university, and not hacker 101. If we were to stop teaching how to pick locks, there would be no future locksmiths, if you can't teach security, by showing flaws, you can't learn and become a security specialist.
If security personel we're taught how to takeover a plane and crash it, maybe they could prevent it better, but by not allowing them to know anything about it, they won't know what to expect will they? So you're theory about flying a plane into a building dosen't make sense, you're saying the less we know the safer we are.
EFF should be doing more about this than saying "it's too bad"
In that case you can't fully blame m$, as you wouldn't blame a unix manufacturer if a unix admin was always running root, and a small bug could prove to be disasterous.
Great way to make your point stand above others to say the opposing opinion has no ground. While this is usefull in court, in a normal conversation, if you want respect, you hafta accept other people's opinions and state you're own, just because you have children and I don't does not mean a single thing about what I or you know, because you don't know me or anything I do, you have no grounds to call my opinion irrelevant.
I know alot of people who have children, it dosen't make them any smarter, I can garantee that, all it does is bring emotion into the picture, you obviously love your children, so you press stronger for your point, completly understandable.
But I have alot of knowledge on the issue, regardless of having my own or not, and I can offer a 3rd person perspective, which is otherwise rare as everyone in here proves that their love for their child and their need to protect is completly clouding judgement, now read properly, because I said judgement, not good nor bad, meaning it dosen't mean you make bad decisions, nor do you make good ones, but the fact you are a parent, emotion will cloud it.
My point in this matter is that such a system can bring abuse, which can be very detrimental to the child, like anything else. It can also be used properly and be very helpful, but throwing a new system like this in without proper education about the effects of abusing it, will be very detrimental, I wish I could say that most parents are aware enough to use it properly, but to be honest, the greater part won't. Not all parents read
For a good pourcentage of people, if you give them 100 apples and tell them to ration for the winter, they will eat em all in few weeks and starve. Give them a system like this, and you will put more kids on the street who can't handle all the pressure they are getting (especially all those children who CAN'T be doctors and lawyers, and parents thinking it's something they did so they keep trying to fix it). We gotta face it, some children just aren't meant to learn theory, and are meant to work well with their hands and take up a trade, that's life.
If this system puts a gap between those children who can't learn the stuff taught in school (which constitutes many students) and the parents who monitor them closely and either punish them to study, or hire tutors, it's only gonna cause revolt from the child.
sorry that was can't make him drink, posted too fast
If I had children, I would give them enough credit not to look at that site, but I would make sure they know I can. Scared straight method works wonders, while leaving them a sense of being able to take care of themselves.
Morally I wouldn't be able to spy on my child, you can walk a a horse to water but you can make him drink, the responsibility of the parent is to teach the child why he should walk to the water, and that he should have a drink, but not stuff their head in the water, because that's only a temporary solution.
I know I will get some resentment from parents because I am not a parent, but I do have some sense in the issue, and we are trying
I am in between this issue, I can see the parent side, they want the best for their children, which is completly normal, and moral.
But on the other hand, you have the child, might be trying hard, might not, but with this, you're kinda taking all the trust away, by not believing them, so I feel for the kids that actually do their homework and have their parents watching over every turn, it's gonna bring feelings of resentment.
The child's best interest is not always to be watched like a hawk, sometimes it's to let him/her make a few mistakes and realize the importance of such things. Without realizing this, you can force them until they are like 14-15 and if they never realized it on their own, they will revolt, and you will have completly lost the battle, even if you're original intent was to give the child reason.
It's a form of over-protection, and it has had very detrimental effects in the past.
Very touchy issue indeed.
I wonder is security measures are gonna be upgraded, or maybe prices. Many claims that prices go up are due to piracy and illegal use of the satelite system. Something is gonna happen when Newscrop gets into that mess, and it won't be nice for the consumer
Great idea. I'm canadian, but I still support it
yea I wanted to answer to someone who replied to you, obviously we are in the same line of thought. Sorry about that, just got pissed that I fucked up and left, hehe
There is a serious problem, maybe it's not with n2h2, but the fact that governement is using software to protect it's citizens completly blind. Sure it sounds all peachy, but cmon, if you're gonna block people off, make sure you know what is being blocked, don't give a company like n2h2 the playground.
There are plenty of open source alternatives anyway, where you can manually control the blocked list, who is doing for the "consulting" for the governement, most likely someone who wants to keep his job. (prolonging the problem brings in more money)
This is bad both ways, gov wants to use proprietary over open source, and gov dosen't care that they can't control which sites are blocked and which aren't.
To be honest, that list should be public to the community, and sites should be debated by a community coucil for their library, to decide which should be allowed by standards in the area, no main entity is the know it all genie of what is right for everyone.
No need to jump off the cliff, I have made this suggestion many times to people who dislike microsoft's policies and are "stuck", basically, when it comes time to upgrade a certain product, consider the alternative, and slowly move on to another solution, just take your time, eventually, 3-4 years you will be rid of ms completly, with a very low cost as the transition will have been slow.
The DMCA is so blunt, it could still be used in that case, because the modchip seller could be charged as the "hyperlink" assisting in the copyright infrigement.
Same way the wake student at princeton is getting charged for providing the service that allows people to pirate, even if there are good things involved, same with modchips, the fact is they "can" be used to pirate and the DMCA protects that.
This shows how bad the law is and that it should be fought.
Here is the problem, and why you probably are pro-police state. Because it has never happened, you need to have proof of something being possible, instead of being open to possibilities that are beyond your grasp.
Ideas make the world prosper, there have been plenty in the past which were thought unimaginable, and now they are so true, you would be made fun of if you repeated.
No matter how crazy the idea, if you throw down the possibility, you garantee is won't happen, because you won't accept it.
Some people were talking about cloning and genetics up somewhere, if you cross-bread a monkey and a bird in the future, you could stick one in your ass and prove your theory. While this might be far from the truth now, the idea of it "not" being possible might be laughed at in the future. Might be a bad exmaple, but it's the truth, you can't deny possibilities or knowledge, that's what the article talks about, the freedom of knowledge and ideas, it drove us to where we are, and must be able to continue and flourish.
5 years is optimistic, but I would love to see it happen, the biggest hurdle for PDAs and portable computers is the battery life, power to the machines!
Hmmm, how can something be overrated? just because you don't like it it's automatically overrated? excuse me, you are the oracle of all movie opinions.
There are MANY people who think that the Star Wars trilogy is a great set of movies, hence it is not overrated, it's rated properly, overrated would be something that one person thinks being thrown out of proportion. This is the majority opinion, big difference, hence not overrated.
I disagree, it will put nothing to shame.
Do we shame Star Wars, of course not, we put it on a pedestal as an acheivement for it's time, same applies here, just because it's gonna be better dosen't mean it's gonna put anything to shame.
p.s. The icon for the matrix is lame.
This is very false, as canadians we are very well protected by the system, and if a police officer pulls you over "for no reason" and starts questioning you without just cause, you are not obliged to answer, the right to remain silent. And you can also take them to court for harrassement.
The law is not so black and white, wake up!
Surely it would be possible, but eventually illegal under the DMCA. Anything is possible, just some things could land you in jail.
I recommend everyone bulk up on thrift store items.
1) Buy tons of used clothing!
2) Wait for the RFID tags to take control!
3) Sell the clothes on the black market!
4) Profit!!!
What's the worth of an RFID? to prevent theft? Last time I checked theft wasen't a major issue apart from the 14 year olds who will stash a pair of underwear in the pocket, seriously what is the point? (The cost of these things will probably outweigh the loss in revenue from theft)
Surely they missed the "no sex" clause in the EULA to join the linux community, how else would it be possible?