advice here said if you're starting a completely new application which is expected to last a while you should be writing to JSF now:
"If you have existing Struts-based applications that use the existing HTML tag library, feel free to continue to use them if you wish. Struts 1.1 offers full support for this existing functionality.
Once the integration library becomes available, you should do some experimenting and prototyping to determine the effort required to migrate your apps to the new JSF component architecture (I'm betting that the extra functionality you gain by doing this will be well worth the effort in many cases). As described above, the actual migration can be done piecemeal -- it doesn't need to happen all at once.
For applications now (or about to be) under development that have relatively short term schedules (i.e. the next few months), you should probably stick with the existing HTML library.
For applications with a longer lead time, seriously consider waiting for the ability to use JSF components instead of the Struts HTML tag library. Doing this will let you leverage not only the standard HTML components that come with JSF out of the box, but also the rich libraries of JSF components likely to be created by third parties in the future (including Struts developers)."
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From the sun download faq:
"Because of the way our download service handles session management, you cannot resume partial downloads by clicking on the link again in the browser window. Rather, open the download manager program you are using, and resume the download from within the download manager itself.
We continue working with our engineers to enable support for more download managers on more platforms. For now, however, please turn off any other download managers and utilities if you are having download problems."
Downloading big files from sun under linux has been really difficult for about a year now. The only download manager until recently i had been able to get to work was DAP under windows (warning: Spyware). Basically most download managers (prozgui, getright, opera) won't be able to deal with Sun's bullshit. Ludicrously rather than fix their website to just work, Sun have written their own download manager. Its written in java, and its only tiny 140KB! The surprising thing is that this is a really excellent download manager , tiny footprint, no browser hijacking, no adware/spyware, works under any OS, automatic file verification, automatic unzips, and solid as a rock
You could have saved yourself some hassle installing all the different toolkits. Just download Sun ONE Studio 4 update 1, Mobile Edition, its completely free (as in beer), and is a great integrated development environment (about 20MB download). All the tools, emulators and demos from the article are bundled. Since last week I'm running it under RH Linux 7.2, with 512mb of ram (YOU NEED LOTS OF RAM!!!). Took just one minute from skipping the regestration screen to stepping through the worm game in the debugger (I always love the game worm/snake/nibbles in all its incarnations, and the demo version provided is beautifully programmed - simple but object-oriented and multi-threaded in a tiny amount of code).
If you think this is good news for free (as in speech) software, you're wrong.
Remember (a sweating) Balmer on the stage chanting:developers, developers... ? anyone who touches mono or deploys it on a server has just added to the bullshit marketing hysteria surrounding.NET Thats right you're working for microsoft miguel.
A tiny fraction of.NET may be an open standard, but the bulk of it is not. Regardless of the standards body Microsoft will inevitably leverage their position as patent holder and dominant monopolistic supplier to control the evolution of this technology to their own ends (to crush all competition to their desktop monopoly and extend that monopoly to the server, PDA, mobile phones etc. )
Even if mono is faster, better and more productive, microsoft have spent billions on PR ensuring any contenders ( especially unendorsed, patent violating, free implementations) will be considered as 2nd class citizens in the.NET world. Think about that! The mono community won't be able to innovate or differentiate with.NET, because Microsoft are steering this ship. The mono community will be in a perpetual chase.
Its easy to argue that free software is the best in many server categories apart from serving windows clients. Despite having to contend with chasing a moving target, SAMBA has come to be regarded as "good enough"But, this situation isn't like WINE or SAMBA because of the timing - I doubt many developers have ever thought "hey the WIN32 API is pretty good, I'll develop my Linux targeted app with visual studio". However, mono is a ringing endorsement of.NET to a huge pool of developers who would otherwise just say no.
Open office could be the last part of the jigsaw in GNU/PlayStation3. Imagine:
1. PlayStation 3 ships with 100 GB hard drive, keyboard, USB2...... fully backward compatible with PS1, PS2 2.Pre-installed OS is Linux, bundled with: open-office, mozilla , mplayer , JRE, WINE, full-on hardware accelerated X11..., and some DVR software would be great! 3.PS3 enters millions of homes, and reduces the demand for new home Pcs 4.Microsoft in world of pain!
If Sony are gonna bundle a HD with ps3 anyway whats to stop them doing this. They already have a version of Linux for the PS2, the cost would be minimal...
is this why gates is so desperate to make the Xbox a success?
your right. Java failed to become the de-facto language which is what it was intened to be. But its stuck around and become a really useful tool (which is what a language should be)
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advice here said if you're starting a completely new application which is expected to last a while you should be writing to JSF now:
"If you have existing Struts-based applications that use the existing HTML tag library, feel free to continue to use them if you wish. Struts 1.1 offers full support for this existing functionality.
Once the integration library becomes available, you should do some experimenting and prototyping to determine the effort required to migrate your apps to the new JSF component architecture (I'm betting that the extra functionality you gain by doing this will be well worth the effort in many cases). As described above, the actual migration can be done piecemeal -- it doesn't need to happen all at once.
For applications now (or about to be) under development that have relatively short term schedules (i.e. the next few months), you should probably stick with the existing HTML library.
For applications with a longer lead time, seriously consider waiting for the ability to use JSF components instead of the Struts HTML tag library. Doing this will let you leverage not only the standard HTML components that come with JSF out of the box, but also the rich libraries of JSF components likely to be created by third parties in the future (including Struts developers)."
i thought these were going to replace struts sometime soon...
two reasons even their built-in audience might give this a miss:
one and two
the people who own/write/act/produce trek are bored with their cash cow
You need to register to download. Supported platforms: Linux, Windows, Solaris. From the sun download faq:
"Because of the way our download service handles session management, you cannot resume partial downloads by clicking on the link again in the browser window. Rather, open the download manager program you are using, and resume the download from within the download manager itself.
We continue working with our engineers to enable support for more download managers on more platforms. For now, however, please turn off any other download managers and utilities if you are having download problems."
Downloading big files from sun under linux has been really difficult for about a year now. The only download manager until recently i had been able to get to work was DAP under windows (warning: Spyware). Basically most download managers (prozgui, getright, opera) won't be able to deal with Sun's bullshit. Ludicrously rather than fix their website to just work, Sun have written their own download manager. Its written in java, and its only tiny 140KB! The surprising thing is that this is a really excellent download manager , tiny footprint, no browser hijacking, no adware/spyware, works under any OS, automatic file verification, automatic unzips, and solid as a rock
You could have saved yourself some hassle installing all the different toolkits. Just download Sun ONE Studio 4 update 1, Mobile Edition, its completely free (as in beer), and is a great integrated development environment (about 20MB download). All the tools, emulators and demos from the article are bundled. Since last week I'm running it under RH Linux 7.2, with 512mb of ram (YOU NEED LOTS OF RAM!!!). Took just one minute from skipping the regestration screen to stepping through the worm game in the debugger (I always love the game worm/snake/nibbles in all its incarnations, and the demo version provided is beautifully programmed - simple but object-oriented and multi-threaded in a tiny amount of code).
If you think this is good news for free (as in speech) software, you're wrong.
:developers, developers... ? .NET Thats right you're working for microsoft miguel.
.NET may be an open standard, but the bulk of it is not. Regardless of the standards body Microsoft will inevitably leverage their position as patent holder and dominant monopolistic supplier to control the evolution of this technology to their own ends (to crush all competition to their desktop monopoly and extend that monopoly to the server, PDA, mobile phones etc. )
.NET world. Think about that! .NET, because Microsoft are steering this ship. The mono community will be in a perpetual chase.
.NET to a huge pool of developers who would otherwise just say no.
Remember (a sweating) Balmer on the stage chanting
anyone who touches mono or deploys it on a server has just added to the bullshit marketing hysteria surrounding
A tiny fraction of
Even if mono is faster, better and more productive, microsoft have spent billions on PR ensuring any contenders ( especially unendorsed, patent violating, free implementations) will be considered as 2nd class citizens in the
The mono community won't be able to innovate or differentiate with
Its easy to argue that free software is the best in many server categories apart from serving windows clients. Despite having to contend with chasing a moving target, SAMBA has come to be regarded as "good enough"But, this situation isn't like WINE or SAMBA because of the timing - I doubt many developers have ever thought "hey the WIN32 API is pretty good, I'll develop my Linux targeted app with visual studio". However, mono is a ringing endorsement of
Open office could be the last part of the jigsaw in GNU/PlayStation3. Imagine:
1. PlayStation 3 ships with 100 GB hard drive, keyboard, USB2...... fully backward compatible with PS1, PS2
2.Pre-installed OS is Linux, bundled with: open-office, mozilla , mplayer , JRE, WINE, full-on hardware accelerated X11..., and some DVR software would be great!
3.PS3 enters millions of homes, and reduces the demand for new home Pcs
4.Microsoft in world of pain!
If Sony are gonna bundle a HD with ps3 anyway whats to stop them doing this. They already have a version of Linux for the PS2, the cost would be minimal...
is this why gates is so desperate to make the Xbox a success?
'The C# versus Java debate is a red herring
.. the next 'war' is gonna be .NET versus Linux
your right. Java failed to become the de-facto language which is what it was intened to be. But its stuck around and become a really useful tool (which is what a language should be)
Java was too busy trying to clean a bag out of Babbling Creek.
it was garbage collecting... ho ho