At the bottom of that article is says that Netscape 6 is due for release soon. We are only on M18 of Mozilla.. and I believe the milestones go right up to 30 or so? So if we have 12 milestones to go before Mozilla is stable, how can Netscape 6 be coming out soon? Or is this soon as in a years time?
Well, they do have to post up to ten stories a day. Sometimes even three or four per person. That's a story every, what, 2 hours? Whew, what a workload. Glad I'm not doing it.
Actually I think the only reason it appaears to be slow is because it uses so much memory, thereby pushing your machine into swap. This is certainly whats happening with me. I don't care what anyone says, 25 Meg for a single program is a huge amount of memory to use. 40.5% of memory is what top is reporting, which is twice as much as X itself. I really like Mozilla, and think it has some neat features, but damn they need to reduce the memory it uses.
Hmmm... does Linux support hot-swappable system boards? Does it scale well up to 64 processors? No and no. Comparing Solaris and Linux is a futile pastime. They came from different roots, and are meant for different jobs. Perhaps Solaris is a little slow on x86 machines, but Linux has the advantage that it has been developed specifcally on this architecturefor years. Most of Solaris's devlopment is geared toward running on high-end Sparc's, not lowly x86's.
Okay, so assuming I buy a 64bit x86 CPU and slap Linux on it, what difference will I see as an end user to my current 32 bit system. Ignoring clock speed differences, will it be massively faster? Will it be more stable? What *real* beneift do I get from choosing a 64 bit processor, instead of a 32 bit one. The fact that it can address shitloads more memory doesn't help much. Who can afford over a Gig on their home system anyway?
Even normal digital watches are becoming less fashionable now - analouge watches are definately in. Who wants a brick strapped to their wrist? The problem with making a usable wearable computer is that it has to be big enough for input and output (okay, unless you use speech recognition/synthesis but that throws up a whole host of other problems) and once you reach that usable minimum size it just looks... well... geeky.
Well, there's a simple solution to this. Don't upgrade to ME. Problem solved.
Surely they *have* to open source it...
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They've even open sourced the kernel.
Linux source is GPL'd right? So if they made modifications they have to open source those modifications. Isn't this statement a little redundant, or am I missing something?
Yes, and an emulated machine is just like a real machine, only a little slower. So why would you *need* to buy a 486 to run DOS, if you can run it on your current machine? Not to mention the development potential it has. There would be nothing to stop you hacking away on the Linux kernel, or whatever else takes your fancy. If the machine crashes, you just start a new one. There are far more reasons to create a decent free virtual machine than there are reasons not to.
It's not an emulator. It's a virtual machine. There is a big difference there which some people seem unable to grasp. I agree that some emulation is a waste of time. But not all, as some people like to run old game's etc. But since this isn't an emulator it's a moot point. Please get a clue before you flame other peoples work.
Okay, can someone tell me what the advantage is between having one kernel running, using all the resources, and multiple kernels sharing them. Is it a limit with Linux's ability to use all those processors/memory etc? Or is there a performance advantage doing it this way?
I'm exactly the same. I have about... I dunno.. 5 or so programs actually being coded, and several more in the pre-development/thinking-about-it stage. I just switch between them when I feel like it. Yes, there is a certain amount of work to be done on catching up with where I was before, but as you say, it a great way to find bugs. Works for me very well. Glad to know I'm not the only one who works like this. The only problem I have is trying to get to sleep when my brain is working on 5 different problems simultaneously;)
I try the Mozilla nightly snapshots on a fairly regular basis. Stability wise its certainly coming along nicely, but it consumes resources like nobody's business. Does anyone know how much of this is due to debugging code, and how much we'll have to live with in the final release. If memory usage doesn't decrease I can foget about running it on my P120 at home.
You may suggest anything you like. That doesn't mean I'll follow your advice though...;-)
The actual compiling isn't difficult. configure and make do most of it. It's figuring out which tarballs I need to use, and in what order. If they cam as one huge tarball, that I could do one configure with, and get it to install in a location that I want, then that'd be fine.
I agree with you. Code reuse is always a good thing. I understand *why* it is this way. All I'm saying is that it doesn't make for a particulalry pleasant experience when compiling and installing Gnome. I guess a lot of people use packages, and aren't affected by this. If everyone had to compile, I'm sure you'd get more complaints. As it is, I seem to be the only one. Oh well, nothing new there...;)
This doesn't help me, as I don't use packages (see my post below). This isn't a complaint directed Helixcode or Evolution in particular. I think that Gnome just suffers from bloat in general. There are just so many libraries needed to compile even the most basic applications, and Gnome itself. Plus the fact that libraries get used while they are still in heavy development and then later get scrapped (gnorba(?) and oaf spring to mind here). It appears to me, as an end user that just wants to use a few Gnome apps, that Gnome is not very well organised in it's use of code and libraries.
Exactly. I'm glad someone agrees with me here. Packages suck, unless you rarely upgrade your system. I do it all the time, and packages make life harder, not easier.
Evolution also requires the latest versions of GtkHTML (0.5), Bonobo (0.16), OAF (0.4), GNOME VFS (0.2), GConf (0.5), GNOME Print (0.20), libunicode (0.4) and ORBit (0.5.3).
I mean, c'mon! Can't some of these libraries be a little more integrated. It really does get a bit much to wait for all these to compile, not to mention the dependencies that *they* have. This is my main criticism with Gnome. It's just too complicated to compile and install. KDE is much cleaner in this respect.
I disagree. I force Netscape to use Helvetica on all sites because I find it far more readable that Times, esepcially on small fonts. The serifs make small fonts unreadable IMHO. In the end it comes down to what you feel most comfortable with.
is it really that easy to take advantage of a community like this?
Yes. Especially when you're talking about increasing someone's coolness factor, which is why the SETI stats are there in the first place to be honest. Lets admit it, we're all shallow. Granted, I wouldn't ever dream of buying something like this, because I have plenty of high-spec hardware to run SETI on anyway. But before I realised it was a hoax I thought, cool, I wouldn't mind one of them...
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You're not telling me that the versions are hard coded into BugZilla are you? That would be insane.
Hmmm.. then how come it lists M1-M30 as milestones in the query page for buzilla?
At the bottom of that article is says that Netscape 6 is due for release soon. We are only on M18 of Mozilla.. and I believe the milestones go right up to 30 or so? So if we have 12 milestones to go before Mozilla is stable, how can Netscape 6 be coming out soon? Or is this soon as in a years time?
Well, they do have to post up to ten stories a day. Sometimes even three or four per person. That's a story every, what, 2 hours? Whew, what a workload. Glad I'm not doing it.
Actually I think the only reason it appaears to be slow is because it uses so much memory, thereby pushing your machine into swap. This is certainly whats happening with me. I don't care what anyone says, 25 Meg for a single program is a huge amount of memory to use. 40.5% of memory is what top is reporting, which is twice as much as X itself. I really like Mozilla, and think it has some neat features, but damn they need to reduce the memory it uses.
Hmmm... does Linux support hot-swappable system boards? Does it scale well up to 64 processors? No and no. Comparing Solaris and Linux is a futile pastime. They came from different roots, and are meant for different jobs. Perhaps Solaris is a little slow on x86 machines, but Linux has the advantage that it has been developed specifcally on this architecturefor years. Most of Solaris's devlopment is geared toward running on high-end Sparc's, not lowly x86's.
Okay, so assuming I buy a 64bit x86 CPU and slap Linux on it, what difference will I see as an end user to my current 32 bit system. Ignoring clock speed differences, will it be massively faster? Will it be more stable? What *real* beneift do I get from choosing a 64 bit processor, instead of a 32 bit one. The fact that it can address shitloads more memory doesn't help much. Who can afford over a Gig on their home system anyway?
Even normal digital watches are becoming less fashionable now - analouge watches are definately in. Who wants a brick strapped to their wrist? The problem with making a usable wearable computer is that it has to be big enough for input and output (okay, unless you use speech recognition/synthesis but that throws up a whole host of other problems) and once you reach that usable minimum size it just looks... well... geeky.
Well, there's a simple solution to this. Don't upgrade to ME. Problem solved.
They've even open sourced the kernel.
Linux source is GPL'd right? So if they made modifications they have to open source those modifications. Isn't this statement a little redundant, or am I missing something?
Yes, and an emulated machine is just like a real machine, only a little slower. So why would you *need* to buy a 486 to run DOS, if you can run it on your current machine? Not to mention the development potential it has. There would be nothing to stop you hacking away on the Linux kernel, or whatever else takes your fancy. If the machine crashes, you just start a new one. There are far more reasons to create a decent free virtual machine than there are reasons not to.
It's not an emulator. It's a virtual machine. There is a big difference there which some people seem unable to grasp. I agree that some emulation is a waste of time. But not all, as some people like to run old game's etc. But since this isn't an emulator it's a moot point. Please get a clue before you flame other peoples work.
Okay, can someone tell me what the advantage is between having one kernel running, using all the resources, and multiple kernels sharing them. Is it a limit with Linux's ability to use all those processors/memory etc? Or is there a performance advantage doing it this way?
I'm exactly the same. I have about... I dunno.. 5 or so programs actually being coded, and several more in the pre-development/thinking-about-it stage. I just switch between them when I feel like it. Yes, there is a certain amount of work to be done on catching up with where I was before, but as you say, it a great way to find bugs. Works for me very well. Glad to know I'm not the only one who works like this. The only problem I have is trying to get to sleep when my brain is working on 5 different problems simultaneously ;)
I am aware they are threads, if that is what you are hinting at with that link.
I try the Mozilla nightly snapshots on a fairly regular basis. Stability wise its certainly coming along nicely, but it consumes resources like nobody's business. Does anyone know how much of this is due to debugging code, and how much we'll have to live with in the final release. If memory usage doesn't decrease I can foget about running it on my P120 at home.
You may suggest anything you like. That doesn't mean I'll follow your advice though... ;-)
The actual compiling isn't difficult. configure and make do most of it. It's figuring out which tarballs I need to use, and in what order. If they cam as one huge tarball, that I could do one configure with, and get it to install in a location that I want, then that'd be fine.
I agree with you. Code reuse is always a good thing. I understand *why* it is this way. All I'm saying is that it doesn't make for a particulalry pleasant experience when compiling and installing Gnome. I guess a lot of people use packages, and aren't affected by this. If everyone had to compile, I'm sure you'd get more complaints. As it is, I seem to be the only one. Oh well, nothing new there... ;)
This doesn't help me, as I don't use packages (see my post below). This isn't a complaint directed Helixcode or Evolution in particular. I think that Gnome just suffers from bloat in general. There are just so many libraries needed to compile even the most basic applications, and Gnome itself. Plus the fact that libraries get used while they are still in heavy development and then later get scrapped (gnorba(?) and oaf spring to mind here). It appears to me, as an end user that just wants to use a few Gnome apps, that Gnome is not very well organised in it's use of code and libraries.
Exactly. I'm glad someone agrees with me here. Packages suck, unless you rarely upgrade your system. I do it all the time, and packages make life harder, not easier.
I don't use rpms or debs. I use gcc and make... ;)
Evolution also requires the latest versions of GtkHTML (0.5), Bonobo (0.16), OAF (0.4), GNOME VFS (0.2), GConf (0.5), GNOME Print (0.20), libunicode (0.4) and ORBit (0.5.3).
I mean, c'mon! Can't some of these libraries be a little more integrated. It really does get a bit much to wait for all these to compile, not to mention the dependencies that *they* have. This is my main criticism with Gnome. It's just too complicated to compile and install. KDE is much cleaner in this respect.
I disagree. I force Netscape to use Helvetica on all sites because I find it far more readable that Times, esepcially on small fonts. The serifs make small fonts unreadable IMHO. In the end it comes down to what you feel most comfortable with.
Maybe. But whats the reason of listing stats on these type of projects unless its to generate competition amongst users?
is it really that easy to take advantage of a community like this?
Yes. Especially when you're talking about increasing someone's coolness factor, which is why the SETI stats are there in the first place to be honest. Lets admit it, we're all shallow. Granted, I wouldn't ever dream of buying something like this, because I have plenty of high-spec hardware to run SETI on anyway. But before I realised it was a hoax I thought, cool, I wouldn't mind one of them...