If their business plan is to get the game ported to the target demographic/platform after it's been made, then I'd wager they won't be around long enough for the game to matter.
It took them too long to come to market and they screwed up their sourcing. By the time you could buy one with an expectation of getting it within 6 months, the price was up to $500 (from $350, which was already WAY too high for what you got) and the age of the smartphone had begun. For half the price, you could get a crappy android phone with more power and a wider range of capabilities. Today, you can get a goddamn iPad for the same price or less.
A textbook case of "too little, too late." The OpenPandora's little more than a conversation piece for gadget addicts with too much money.
Working under the assumptions that the game is best played with a gamepad, that the desk is positioned in such a way that the two chairs can both positioned for viewing the screen, and that there's enough room behind the desk.
None of these, among other things, are givens. Combined with the fact that very few customers are clamoring for split-screening on PC games, all supports my statement that it's not just about the hardware, no matter what size the screen.
Because those monitors are usually on desks, not on a couch where 2-4 people can sit comfortably and play. There's more variables to consider other than hardware.
They have that too. Gave up on CyanogenMod for anything but my Nook (it's the only passable mod for it that I've found) when they made their reasoning clear on why that would never, ever be in the mod itself.
No, it's because the "PC connected to the tv" is a sufficiently uncommon use case as to be omitted from consideration. Even games that let you play multiple copies on LAN games (the upcoming Torchlight 2, for example) doesn't use split screen, even though they're not requiring you to buy 4 copies. It's because the majority of PC gamers want and expect it that way.
AAA publishers don't want to publish on any platform that comes from outside the status quo. If soeone thinks it's the emulation that's going to keep the likes of EA away from this thing, they've not been paying attention.
Expecting AAA games on the Ouya is delusional, at best. And if the games are going to be running on the Zynga model with Diablo III DRM... well, I guess there's still something to be said for a $99 box for playing video off an external hard drive. Not much, but something.
Copyright is an agreement. I agree that in exchange for this price, and the release of the work into the public domain in the future, I will not give away copies. It is not morally correct to break this agreement
Fixed that for you. The agreement's already been broken on both sides. If you're going to make the stupid "morals" argument, the best you can accomplish is a push.
That's interesting, since it might mean I can stop frankensteining this thing the next time it craps out on me. Does that include PSXPSP (PSX games ripped and converted to eboot), since that's the biggest "seller" for me (for everything else I have some other device I can use).
If I'm going to be completely honest, the Romans had no number for the fucks I give about anything on PSN. Most if it's stuff I already paid for on the PSX or PS2, and the rest... well, there are precious few companies who have earned enough trust from me to trust them with digital distribution, and if Valve didn't make the cut, Sony sure as hell isn't, either.
Hell, if you got the SNES emulator working well on the 2X, you did better than a lot of us.
The Dingoo's not much better. Supposedly it can emulate SNES, but it seems to choke to death. At least it has a real battery in it, though. The GP2X sucked them dry like Dracula on a bender...
These days, I'm just struggling to keep my old 1001 "phat" PSP running. It does all the old emulation that I used to go to the expensive "linux" handhelds for, plus half-decent PSX.
I like the idea of Ouya, but I really think it's going to end up being more of the same (and with a $4.5M kickstart, it's gonna be one hell of a shitstorm)
Bullshit. The first (and last) ad I saw before I pulled the network cable wasn't for any game, it was for some "University of Phoenix" type diploma mill.
the 'six strikes' policy, after the number of warnings users receive â" is coming.
We do not intend to launch until we are confident that the program is consumer friendly.
Either you're going to eventually launch it, or not. It will never be 'consumer friendly' since it's a blatantly anti-consumer move intended to whore out to an unrepentantly anti-consumer organization.
Or you just switch to PC, where you aren't tied to any specific store or service.
That's going away, too, lately. I cancelled my preorders of 2 of the 5 games I was really looking forward to this year (Darksiders 2 and Borderlands 2) because even the retail discs come infected with Steamworks DRM.
If you haven't proven that you can finish a commercial game above the 50th percentile of quality, why should Nintendo let you see its trade secrets?
Because then their console might not have ended up with a widely-held and not-entirely-undeserved reputation of being a few first party rehashes and a fuckton of shovelware, like GP said?
You may have a point. Maybe they'll pull it off, and if it supports playing videos off an external HD and the Netflix app, I'll probably pick one up to replace my mythtv box (since I don't use cable anymore). I don't really see it competing with "gamer" games, though (as opposed to the 'casual,' smartphone type games).
Maybe I'm wrong. I'll cop to that easily enough if I am, but I'm still not going to hold my breath. Been burned too many times already.
All of the devices you talked about are pre-andriod or really pre-smartphone. Which is exactly the point. We now have a stable, massively popular, open source software platform.. And dozens of companies creating competitive commodity hardware for it.
And we had Linux before. None of the devices I mentioned had stability problems. They had hardware problems, sure (the stick on the GP2X was godawful), but their biggest problem was adoption.
As for crowd funded gaming? Wrong! There are a lot of crowd funded indy games that are popular right now. Minecraft comes to mind.
How many of them were around before the crowd-funding started? I know Minecraft was.
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False, with mountains of examples to the contrary.
If their business plan is to get the game ported to the target demographic/platform after it's been made, then I'd wager they won't be around long enough for the game to matter.
Obviously, they are. Or on consoles where, SF IV excepted, both of those genres seem to live.
It took them too long to come to market and they screwed up their sourcing. By the time you could buy one with an expectation of getting it within 6 months, the price was up to $500 (from $350, which was already WAY too high for what you got) and the age of the smartphone had begun. For half the price, you could get a crappy android phone with more power and a wider range of capabilities. Today, you can get a goddamn iPad for the same price or less.
A textbook case of "too little, too late." The OpenPandora's little more than a conversation piece for gadget addicts with too much money.
I didn't ask for this!
Is that a quote from Starship Troopers?
Working under the assumptions that the game is best played with a gamepad, that the desk is positioned in such a way that the two chairs can both positioned for viewing the screen, and that there's enough room behind the desk.
None of these, among other things, are givens. Combined with the fact that very few customers are clamoring for split-screening on PC games, all supports my statement that it's not just about the hardware, no matter what size the screen.
Because those monitors are usually on desks, not on a couch where 2-4 people can sit comfortably and play. There's more variables to consider other than hardware.
They have that too. Gave up on CyanogenMod for anything but my Nook (it's the only passable mod for it that I've found) when they made their reasoning clear on why that would never, ever be in the mod itself.
No, it's because the "PC connected to the tv" is a sufficiently uncommon use case as to be omitted from consideration. Even games that let you play multiple copies on LAN games (the upcoming Torchlight 2, for example) doesn't use split screen, even though they're not requiring you to buy 4 copies. It's because the majority of PC gamers want and expect it that way.
AAA publishers don't want to publish on any platform that comes from outside the status quo. If soeone thinks it's the emulation that's going to keep the likes of EA away from this thing, they've not been paying attention.
Expecting AAA games on the Ouya is delusional, at best. And if the games are going to be running on the Zynga model with Diablo III DRM... well, I guess there's still something to be said for a $99 box for playing video off an external hard drive. Not much, but something.
maybe, just maybe, the fad is dying out. And can i say "Thank the FSM" if it is?
Don't bother. It's just crawling back to R'lyeh to slumber for another 30 years until it awakens again in exactly the same stupid form.
Copyright is an agreement. I agree that in exchange for this price, and the release of the work into the public domain in the future, I will not give away copies. It is not morally correct to break this agreement
Fixed that for you. The agreement's already been broken on both sides. If you're going to make the stupid "morals" argument, the best you can accomplish is a push.
That's interesting, since it might mean I can stop frankensteining this thing the next time it craps out on me. Does that include PSXPSP (PSX games ripped and converted to eboot), since that's the biggest "seller" for me (for everything else I have some other device I can use).
If I'm going to be completely honest, the Romans had no number for the fucks I give about anything on PSN. Most if it's stuff I already paid for on the PSX or PS2, and the rest... well, there are precious few companies who have earned enough trust from me to trust them with digital distribution, and if Valve didn't make the cut, Sony sure as hell isn't, either.
Hell, if you got the SNES emulator working well on the 2X, you did better than a lot of us.
The Dingoo's not much better. Supposedly it can emulate SNES, but it seems to choke to death. At least it has a real battery in it, though. The GP2X sucked them dry like Dracula on a bender...
These days, I'm just struggling to keep my old 1001 "phat" PSP running. It does all the old emulation that I used to go to the expensive "linux" handhelds for, plus half-decent PSX.
I like the idea of Ouya, but I really think it's going to end up being more of the same (and with a $4.5M kickstart, it's gonna be one hell of a shitstorm)
Bullshit. The first (and last) ad I saw before I pulled the network cable wasn't for any game, it was for some "University of Phoenix" type diploma mill.
the 'six strikes' policy, after the number of warnings users receive â" is coming.
We do not intend to launch until we are confident that the program is consumer friendly.
Either you're going to eventually launch it, or not. It will never be 'consumer friendly' since it's a blatantly anti-consumer move intended to whore out to an unrepentantly anti-consumer organization.
I don't know where you were going with the underscores.
Obviously, for emphasis. I think some format I once used read underscore-wrapping like that as "underline."
What? That's functionality that only became commonplace a mere eight years ago! What sort of site do you think this is?
Or you just switch to PC, where you aren't tied to any specific store or service.
That's going away, too, lately. I cancelled my preorders of 2 of the 5 games I was really looking forward to this year (Darksiders 2 and Borderlands 2) because even the retail discs come infected with Steamworks DRM.
My main point though, is I don't feel attracted by a hackable console as a developer.
Then, if you don't mind my asking, why did you start on Android in the first place? It's not like it's a new feature of the OS or anything.
If you haven't proven that you can finish a commercial game above the 50th percentile of quality, why should Nintendo let you see its trade secrets?
Because then their console might not have ended up with a widely-held and not-entirely-undeserved reputation of being a few first party rehashes and a fuckton of shovelware, like GP said?
You may have a point. Maybe they'll pull it off, and if it supports playing videos off an external HD and the Netflix app, I'll probably pick one up to replace my mythtv box (since I don't use cable anymore). I don't really see it competing with "gamer" games, though (as opposed to the 'casual,' smartphone type games).
Maybe I'm wrong. I'll cop to that easily enough if I am, but I'm still not going to hold my breath. Been burned too many times already.
Can we mod it if we hate that damn song? ;)
All of the devices you talked about are pre-andriod or really pre-smartphone. Which is exactly the point.
We now have a stable, massively popular, open source software platform.. And dozens of companies creating competitive commodity hardware for it.
And we had Linux before. None of the devices I mentioned had stability problems. They had hardware problems, sure (the stick on the GP2X was godawful), but their biggest problem was adoption.
As for crowd funded gaming? Wrong! There are a lot of crowd funded indy games that are popular right now. Minecraft comes to mind.
How many of them were around before the crowd-funding started? I know Minecraft was.