I think that the other attitdue that goes with that, it that on/. people don't seem to expect eductation to be hard work. That is, it is important to learn some things that you don't want to learn. Deal with it.
Lexmark goes by this business model, selling dirt cheap printers. Not just inkjets - they also make laser printers.
This does not appear to be the case any long, at least with the Lexmark laser printer I bought (X215). I looked at a number of different multifunction laser printers, and IIRC the Lexmark was 6 cents (AUD) per page for the toner, the HP was 8 cents and I think Epson was also at 6 cents/page.
I bought the Lexmark, it worked out cheapest for our usage.
I grew up and live in an urban area also. I got a fair share of taunting. It is a little hard to quantify exactly what is a fair share, so I guess I don't really know.
During my school years I developed a view that I really couldn't care what people think of me. I value the opinions of some people, and I do not behave in a way that will alienate people, but in the end I don't really worry what people have to say about me.
Fair enough, then I tolerate gay people. But that does not mean I condone it.
I'm not saying to approve. Just saying treat it as you would any other sinner, with forgiveness and a little annoyance. Like seeing someone who doens't tithe.
I'd agree. Treating people with love is the top priority. The problem is that sin is as damaging to the person sinning as it is to those affected by the sin. Trying to get that person to change their life is an act of love.
On a side note, not tithing is not a sin. The Old Testiment, commands people to tithe, but Jesus commands that they give generously. This command is actually more onerous than asking for a tithe. Tithing is probably a good rule of thumb, but much is expected from those to whom much has been given.
It's easy in some circles. Very hard in others. It is easy for small communities where marriage at 17 18 or even 20 is possible. But to go through all of the adolecence and not to do anythign is very very hard. To wait till your 30 is even harder. I can agree that it's wrong. But I will not cast a stone since I myself am guilty of it.
I'm 25, so 5 years short. I've been through adolecence and not been there. I won't pretend it isn't hard, particularly in a society that pushes against Christian values. It is harder now for me than it has ever been, I am engaged, and will be married probably at the end of this year. My fiance and I got engaged 3 months ago, and went out for 2 years before that. It is hard, very hard.
I'm not trying to blow my own trumpet and say I am doing everything right. Just that it is not a forgone conclusion that this is an area in which everyone will slip up.
Define tolerance. This is a much overused word in current society. I am interested to know how you are using the word.
I do think a lot of christians don't see that it might not be a choice.
I'm one of them. The same way that I believe that molesting children is a choice. You may be predisposed to it (for example you were molested as a child), but that does not change the fact that you had a choice in the matter.
God has described how he wants us to live. We choose to go our own way.
Just to put this in context, I will equally condemn sex outside of a marriage relationship.
A idea being uncomfotable doesn't make it wrong. It does kick out the legs of what we have to argue with against the athiests but we have to just work harder... besides, faith isn't arguing on slashdot. Faith is beleiveing.
I think you misunderstand my use of the word unconfortable. I am saying that you dismiss a section the scripture that makes you aware of your sin (ie uncomfortable).
Belief and faith have different meanings. Faith is belief + trust. And faith is expressed in action. That is very clear from James, and from Paul's letters (and well pretty much the whole bible). One action might be arguing on Slashdot.... being gay is mentioned only a few times. Being charitable and helping others is mentioned more
I agree that charity is a bigger issue, but that does not change the fact that it is mentioned, and in pretty strong terms. It is mentioned quite a few times, more than you might be aware. I can dig out all the relevant references if you are interested.
This issue is alo being used as a means to attack Christians in the western world, so it should be no surprise that it is defended.
For the gay issue it means while we may say what they do is wrong, we can't punish them for beign gay. And beign gay is no worse then being greedy or being selfish but we seem to tolerate that.
I am not and have never advocated punishement for people who are gay.
The kings james bible and the new international version differ a lot on phrasing and the meaning of a lot of phrases. Mostly from new insight into the original languages.
I am aware of that. My point is that some people treat the KJV as the original version, when it is in fact a translation from the original languages.
I couldn't agree with what you have to say about the bible. Effectively what you say makes the bible one among many books inspired by God, all of which aim to get you closer to God. Once you take that step, the teaching of the church become the grounds for authority, which is largely where the catholic church is now.
The next step after that is that it largely becomes a "tribal" thing, that is my family was so I am . A couple of generations and a change in societal structure later and there is nothing there at all.
I'd agree that there is an issue with literal interpretation of the bible, and it seems to be particular problem in the US. On the other hand one does need to be very careful in interpreting the bible. It is easy to dismiss things that you find uncomfortable as something that should not be interpreted literally. For example, I ran across a site that stated the being gay was compatible with being Christian. I only skimmed the site, but it there was some interesting juggling (ie disregard) of the bible, while appearing to give it full attention.
You said that Science is ever changing and thus you must have faith to beleive in it, you said it's easier to beleive int he bible.
I said that? I never said any such thing. Someone else said that, not I. My response is to the part that was quoted. That is I was questioning that the bible and interpretations had changed over time. I made no comment on science in any form.
On look foolish, your spelling makes you look foolish.
I think that people mod on spelling half the time. It might have been "lyong" that did it. By writing that, you demostrated that you were able to misspell, but chose not to. Hence you were modded down. I also saw properly capitalised sentences there too.
Microsoft is doing the Right Thing (tm) here, and all you have for them is more snide remarks?
Snide remarks are in order. They may be doing the right thing now, but it is going part of the way towards redressing the balance for thw wrong they have done. The comment about doctors cleaning up after their mistakes is spot on.
For every example where you can quote where there consensus science was wrong, there are thousands of examples where it was right.This is not to say that one should not try to be open to a new view that contradicts an established view, but note that the established view is established because it is more generally right than wrong.
Michael Crichton doesn't know what he is talking about. Besides which, he writes Fiction. I see zero scientific qualifications (Medical School) in his training. This is a guy who earns his money by writing fiction. Listening to him about science is like listening to electing actors to positions to resposibility, solely on their popularity. Or asking a fashion model about philosphy. This is not to say that they may not know something about philsophy, but that is not what they are trained to do.
I think you misunderstand my use of the word box. To clarify my use of the word box, I mean a computer. That is I have a PC running debian. I got the relevant version of debian from a downloaded ISO and the relevant apt sources. No point purchasing something that I can get for free.
1. GPS stopped working at point a, and started working at point b. Measure the distance and tax'em.
How can you tell when it has stopped working? Is there going to be a good way to determine whether your position is accurate or inaccurate? You could try to implement something where the position is considered accurate if you have 4 or more signals coming in (ie 4 satellites are visible), but this ignores issues like multipathing (where the signal bounces off stuff between the satellite and the reciever).
GPS is very good at determing velocity (and acceleration).
Really? I did some work at uni (college for USians) to do with GPS and there are far better ways to measure velocity and acceleration. Intertial sensors for example. In general inertial systems are very accurate, but with an error that grows with time. On the other hand GPS is quite inaccurate, but the error does not grow with time.
15Mph (24Km/h)? That is pretty slow. In Australia the speed for the RFID Tollboth lanes is 40Km/h. I wonder if this is a technical limitation or an artifical one?
This is a really good point. XP is only a.1 release up from 2K (check the MSDN documentation). Under the sheets they have a lot in common. The question is, why isn't Microsoft making IE7 available on 2K.
* I am hearing you saying that you will aim to cooperate with projects like Samba. I want to see it happen. Document the custom extensions to SMB. Similarly, open up document formats for Office. In both cases patented formats, even if open and documented cannot be considered open formats. If you are serious about interopability then these are logical steps. You cannot tell me that this will be a lot of work for Microsoft (you mention that you are working hard to do this), as this must be documented for internal purposes.
* FUD, studies etc. I want to see Microsoft publish a study that acknowledges Linux has a lower TCO. The studies I have seen proving a lower TCO for MS take one situation and expand this to apply in all cases. Conversly, even if Linux is not cheaper in general, there are some places where this is true (google being one, read below for another). Micrsoft has published a lot of misleading studies, I would like to see the balance redressed, or at least an even handed approach taken.
* If microsoft is not hostile to Linux, why not look at porting some applications to run on Linux? SQL Server would be a favourite. Just to point out here that I have read Inside SQL Server 2000, and do understand that SQL Server is very tightly tied to the OS. Nonetheless, there is a demand for this and it would sell licenses.
* Regarding hoops to jump through for OS/App activation. A PC at my house tends to get partially or completely replaced at a regular intervals. I build my own. I also format any of the boxes I personally own pretty much every 12 months or so. Product activation is a huge headache for me. For example a box that I have actived with WinXP might have every part except the case replaced in the case itself. The headaches are such that for personal use I am more inclined to either use a version of OS or app that does not require activation, or look as some means for working around it. I should add I am scrupulously carful for have licenses for what I run.
Just to put this in context for me I am speaking here as someone who writes code on a Microsoft platform for a living, however in general I use what works. I really like some MS stuff. 2K was a great step and XP was a slight improvement on that again. I also particularly like Excel and SQL Server, and I am looking forward to the release of Yukon.
Aside from that I run a debian file server @ home ($150 AUD for the box) and I am planning to install a web/mail server (debian, also anticipated to be ~$150 AUD for the box). I'll just point out that the cost of the software on those two boxes in a MS environment would be thousands of dollars (AUD).
Incidentally if you want to contact me directly to respond my email address is david [ at ] uberconcept.com.
Does anyone know of a good book on C++ programming in Linux?
How about just a good book on programming C++? Should cover most of what you want to know. Most C++ stuff is not platform specific.
The best C++ book that I know is free online here. If you want move on from there you could always buy Stroustrup's book, but I found it a little opaque. If you really want to move to the next stage read "The C++ Standard Library" by Josutti.
I thought C++ (or at least, C) was supposed to portable
C != C++, so comments that C is supposed to be portable, and therefore C++ being supposed to be portable are just silly. Anyway, C++ is portable, but it depends on how you write it. First off, if you use Microsoft specific stuff (eg #include , Win32API etc), of course it won't work. On the other hand, you might want to be aware that g++ does not support as much of the STL (Standard Template Library, read Josutti for details) as the Microsoft compiler. This may come as a surprise, but the Microsoft C++ compilers have consistently been the best at complying with the standards.
Anyway, I'd stick with VS.Net. It is actually an excellent C++ compiler, probably better than g++. You do need to understand how to use it though.
I think with a move to OO languages HN becomes moot.
HN assumes that there are common variable types, and that they are common enough the someone else reading your code will recognise what the variable is in an instant. If most of your variables are classes you have written, you would need to come up with your own prefixes, which means that people will not understand them.
I personally find some prefixes useful. For example when writing C++ I use "m" for member variable and "p" for pointer (m has precendence, so a member pointer would be mp).
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Absolutely. You can teach kids a whole range of social problems that would just not be taught in high schools.
Personal experience, but I have yet to meet a person who was home schooled that I would call socially adept.
I think that the other attitdue that goes with that, it that on /. people don't seem to expect eductation to be hard work. That is, it is important to learn some things that you don't want to learn. Deal with it.
Lexmark goes by this business model, selling dirt cheap printers. Not just inkjets - they also make laser printers.
This does not appear to be the case any long, at least with the Lexmark laser printer I bought (X215). I looked at a number of different multifunction laser printers, and IIRC the Lexmark was 6 cents (AUD) per page for the toner, the HP was 8 cents and I think Epson was also at 6 cents/page.
I bought the Lexmark, it worked out cheapest for our usage.
Konqueror could pretend to be another browser
So can Firefox. To do it on the fly in Firefox, use the User Agent Switcher.
Or Prefbar, which has some other neat features.
I grew up and live in an urban area also. I got a fair share of taunting. It is a little hard to quantify exactly what is a fair share, so I guess I don't really know.
During my school years I developed a view that I really couldn't care what people think of me. I value the opinions of some people, and I do not behave in a way that will alienate people, but in the end I don't really worry what people have to say about me.
I couldn't agree more.
Live and let live.
Fair enough, then I tolerate gay people. But that does not mean I condone it.
I'm not saying to approve. Just saying treat it as you would any other sinner, with forgiveness and a little annoyance. Like seeing someone who doens't tithe.
I'd agree. Treating people with love is the top priority. The problem is that sin is as damaging to the person sinning as it is to those affected by the sin. Trying to get that person to change their life is an act of love.
On a side note, not tithing is not a sin. The Old Testiment, commands people to tithe, but Jesus commands that they give generously. This command is actually more onerous than asking for a tithe. Tithing is probably a good rule of thumb, but much is expected from those to whom much has been given.
It's easy in some circles. Very hard in others. It is easy for small communities where marriage at 17 18 or even 20 is possible. But to go through all of the adolecence and not to do anythign is very very hard. To wait till your 30 is even harder. I can agree that it's wrong. But I will not cast a stone since I myself am guilty of it.
I'm 25, so 5 years short. I've been through adolecence and not been there. I won't pretend it isn't hard, particularly in a society that pushes against Christian values. It is harder now for me than it has ever been, I am engaged, and will be married probably at the end of this year. My fiance and I got engaged 3 months ago, and went out for 2 years before that. It is hard, very hard.
I'm not trying to blow my own trumpet and say I am doing everything right. Just that it is not a forgone conclusion that this is an area in which everyone will slip up.
Do you then support tolerance?
Define tolerance. This is a much overused word in current society. I am interested to know how you are using the word.
I do think a lot of christians don't see that it might not be a choice.
I'm one of them. The same way that I believe that molesting children is a choice. You may be predisposed to it (for example you were molested as a child), but that does not change the fact that you had a choice in the matter.
God has described how he wants us to live. We choose to go our own way.
Just to put this in context, I will equally condemn sex outside of a marriage relationship.
A idea being uncomfotable doesn't make it wrong. It does kick out the legs of what we have to argue with against the athiests but we have to just work harder... besides, faith isn't arguing on slashdot. Faith is beleiveing.
... being gay is mentioned only a few times. Being charitable and helping others is mentioned more
I think you misunderstand my use of the word unconfortable. I am saying that you dismiss a section the scripture that makes you aware of your sin (ie uncomfortable).
Belief and faith have different meanings. Faith is belief + trust. And faith is expressed in action. That is very clear from James, and from Paul's letters (and well pretty much the whole bible). One action might be arguing on Slashdot.
I agree that charity is a bigger issue, but that does not change the fact that it is mentioned, and in pretty strong terms. It is mentioned quite a few times, more than you might be aware. I can dig out all the relevant references if you are interested.
This issue is alo being used as a means to attack Christians in the western world, so it should be no surprise that it is defended.
For the gay issue it means while we may say what they do is wrong, we can't punish them for beign gay. And beign gay is no worse then being greedy or being selfish but we seem to tolerate that.
I am not and have never advocated punishement for people who are gay.
As opposed to what you do, which is putting words in someone else's mouth?
I apologise for the spelling comment, I was annoyed that you had put words in my mouth.
The kings james bible and the new international version differ a lot on phrasing and the meaning of a lot of phrases. Mostly from new insight into the original languages.
I am aware of that. My point is that some people treat the KJV as the original version, when it is in fact a translation from the original languages.
I couldn't agree with what you have to say about the bible. Effectively what you say makes the bible one among many books inspired by God, all of which aim to get you closer to God. Once you take that step, the teaching of the church become the grounds for authority, which is largely where the catholic church is now.
The next step after that is that it largely becomes a "tribal" thing, that is my family was so I am . A couple of generations and a change in societal structure later and there is nothing there at all.
I'd agree that there is an issue with literal interpretation of the bible, and it seems to be particular problem in the US. On the other hand one does need to be very careful in interpreting the bible. It is easy to dismiss things that you find uncomfortable as something that should not be interpreted literally. For example, I ran across a site that stated the being gay was compatible with being Christian. I only skimmed the site, but it there was some interesting juggling (ie disregard) of the bible, while appearing to give it full attention.
You said that Science is ever changing and thus you must have faith to beleive in it, you said it's easier to beleive int he bible.
I said that? I never said any such thing. Someone else said that, not I. My response is to the part that was quoted. That is I was questioning that the bible and interpretations had changed over time. I made no comment on science in any form.
On look foolish, your spelling makes you look foolish.
I think that people mod on spelling half the time. It might have been "lyong" that did it. By writing that, you demostrated that you were able to misspell, but chose not to. Hence you were modded down. I also saw properly capitalised sentences there too.
Microsoft is doing the Right Thing (tm) here, and all you have for them is more snide remarks?
Snide remarks are in order. They may be doing the right thing now, but it is going part of the way towards redressing the balance for thw wrong they have done. The comment about doctors cleaning up after their mistakes is spot on.
For every example where you can quote where there consensus science was wrong, there are thousands of examples where it was right.This is not to say that one should not try to be open to a new view that contradicts an established view, but note that the established view is established because it is more generally right than wrong.
Michael Crichton doesn't know what he is talking about. Besides which, he writes Fiction. I see zero scientific qualifications (Medical School) in his training. This is a guy who earns his money by writing fiction. Listening to him about science is like listening to electing actors to positions to resposibility, solely on their popularity. Or asking a fashion model about philosphy. This is not to say that they may not know something about philsophy, but that is not what they are trained to do.
Next you'll be quoting Dan Brown on history.
I think you misunderstand my use of the word box. To clarify my use of the word box, I mean a computer. That is I have a PC running debian. I got the relevant version of debian from a downloaded ISO and the relevant apt sources. No point purchasing something that I can get for free.
1. GPS stopped working at point a, and started working at point b. Measure the distance and tax'em.
How can you tell when it has stopped working? Is there going to be a good way to determine whether your position is accurate or inaccurate? You could try to implement something where the position is considered accurate if you have 4 or more signals coming in (ie 4 satellites are visible), but this ignores issues like multipathing (where the signal bounces off stuff between the satellite and the reciever).
GPS is very good at determing velocity (and acceleration).
Really? I did some work at uni (college for USians) to do with GPS and there are far better ways to measure velocity and acceleration. Intertial sensors for example. In general inertial systems are very accurate, but with an error that grows with time. On the other hand GPS is quite inaccurate, but the error does not grow with time.
15Mph (24Km/h)? That is pretty slow. In Australia the speed for the RFID Tollboth lanes is 40Km/h. I wonder if this is a technical limitation or an artifical one?
To answer my own question, this requires XP SP2, rather than just XP.
This is a really good point. XP is only a .1 release up from 2K (check the MSDN documentation). Under the sheets they have a lot in common. The question is, why isn't Microsoft making IE7 available on 2K.
We didnt see Apache give up when the new IIS was released.
Apache had a larger share of the market.
... but will Microsoft walk the walk?
* I am hearing you saying that you will aim to cooperate with projects like Samba. I want to see it happen. Document the custom extensions to SMB. Similarly, open up document formats for Office. In both cases patented formats, even if open and documented cannot be considered open formats. If you are serious about interopability then these are logical steps. You cannot tell me that this will be a lot of work for Microsoft (you mention that you are working hard to do this), as this must be documented for internal purposes.
* FUD, studies etc. I want to see Microsoft publish a study that acknowledges Linux has a lower TCO. The studies I have seen proving a lower TCO for MS take one situation and expand this to apply in all cases. Conversly, even if Linux is not cheaper in general, there are some places where this is true (google being one, read below for another). Micrsoft has published a lot of misleading studies, I would like to see the balance redressed, or at least an even handed approach taken.
* If microsoft is not hostile to Linux, why not look at porting some applications to run on Linux? SQL Server would be a favourite. Just to point out here that I have read Inside SQL Server 2000, and do understand that SQL Server is very tightly tied to the OS. Nonetheless, there is a demand for this and it would sell licenses.
* Regarding hoops to jump through for OS/App activation. A PC at my house tends to get partially or completely replaced at a regular intervals. I build my own. I also format any of the boxes I personally own pretty much every 12 months or so. Product activation is a huge headache for me. For example a box that I have actived with WinXP might have every part except the case replaced in the case itself. The headaches are such that for personal use I am more inclined to either use a version of OS or app that does not require activation, or look as some means for working around it. I should add I am scrupulously carful for have licenses for what I run.
Just to put this in context for me I am speaking here as someone who writes code on a Microsoft platform for a living, however in general I use what works. I really like some MS stuff. 2K was a great step and XP was a slight improvement on that again. I also particularly like Excel and SQL Server, and I am looking forward to the release of Yukon.
Aside from that I run a debian file server @ home ($150 AUD for the box) and I am planning to install a web/mail server (debian, also anticipated to be ~$150 AUD for the box). I'll just point out that the cost of the software on those two boxes in a MS environment would be thousands of dollars (AUD).
Incidentally if you want to contact me directly to respond my email address is david [ at ] uberconcept.com.
Does anyone know of a good book on C++ programming in Linux?
How about just a good book on programming C++? Should cover most of what you want to know. Most C++ stuff is not platform specific.
The best C++ book that I know is free online here. If you want move on from there you could always buy Stroustrup's book, but I found it a little opaque. If you really want to move to the next stage read "The C++ Standard Library" by Josutti.
I thought C++ (or at least, C) was supposed to portable
C != C++, so comments that C is supposed to be portable, and therefore C++ being supposed to be portable are just silly. Anyway, C++ is portable, but it depends on how you write it. First off, if you use Microsoft specific stuff (eg #include , Win32API etc), of course it won't work. On the other hand, you might want to be aware that g++ does not support as much of the STL (Standard Template Library, read Josutti for details) as the Microsoft compiler. This may come as a surprise, but the Microsoft C++ compilers have consistently been the best at complying with the standards.
Anyway, I'd stick with VS.Net. It is actually an excellent C++ compiler, probably better than g++. You do need to understand how to use it though.
I think with a move to OO languages HN becomes moot.
HN assumes that there are common variable types, and that they are common enough the someone else reading your code will recognise what the variable is in an instant. If most of your variables are classes you have written, you would need to come up with your own prefixes, which means that people will not understand them.
I personally find some prefixes useful. For example when writing C++ I use "m" for member variable and "p" for pointer (m has precendence, so a member pointer would be mp).