but why is it posted there? it isn't a mozilla or netscape bug. it's a (I believe intention, and if not intentional initially, then definitely intentional now, since it's still there over a year later) design flaw (feature?) in the.NET framework.
the problem isn't with the browser. the.NET framework doesn't send the tags to the browser. That is the problem. If the tags were sent, the browser could handle them. Netscape 7 came out after.NET, they have a (poor) excuse for not handling it correctly yet, but they don't for Netscape 6. Netscape 7 is treated the same way, I've had it since the hour it came out.
the.NET framework does a check to see which browser you use and then sends formats aspx pages for the capabilities of that browser. So if you use abs positioned divs, you'll get those for modern browsers but Netscape 4.7 (for instance) will get the same page (theoretically) but formatted via tables. This is great, if only MS were honest about it.
I constantly have to hard-code formatting for controls because MS treats Netscape 6 as a 'down-level' browser and doesn't bother sending out certain formatting tags. So some pages look bad in Netscape 6, the reason behind it would be that the formatting tags weren't sent out because Netscape doesn't support them, but this is false because when I add them by hand, netscape handles them fine and my pages look the same in both browsers.
I have to believe that MS does this so people say "this page looks like azz in Netscape" and assume that it's Netscape's problem.
the framework has been out for too long and this is still not fixed, so I can not believe that it is an honest or innocent mistake.
funny how everyone here says that and then starts bitching, but I have to admit that when I watched a new episode a few months ago, I was amazed at the fact that they are still funny as hell.
You guys can whine all you want about the 'glory days'. And how milk used to cost a quarter...
do nerds/geeks really go to best buy for anything other than DVDs or blank media? I once bought PC speakers there because it was a Saturday and I wanted them immediately, didn't have time to wait, but that's the largest purchase I've ever made there. I don't even buy CD-R there anymore, I go to Office Max instead.
so you're running linux but you bought a computer from Best Buy? I thought Linux geeks were smarter than that. I only run windows and I've never bought a computer with an OS installed on it.
The original actually tried to do something. It logged into SQL Server using the SA account and a blank password (if someone was dumb enough to leave that...) and then emailed the schema (and data, maybe, I didn't actually test it, just read it) to it's author, set up a new account with it's own password, changed the sa account's password to that password, and then looked for any other SQL Server on the net.
unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it), this scanning for other servers slowed the server down so much that it was noticable if you were in the room with the machine. It sounds to me like someone saw what a load it was putting on the net and the machines infected and decided to cut out the section that gathered the database information and just let it spread freely, assuming it would lock up the net the way it did.
I'm not completely certain that this is the same worm, but it sounds like it.
AOL gets their news division to write an article after interviewing a few guys who's job it is to scare customers into hiring them by saying that "Microsoft's security is shit, only a professional security advisor can help you."
What a great piece of information. I love it when 'news for the clue-less masses' shows up on a 'news for nerds' site.
I'd argue that it is. First they have to see a (familiar) file-dialog box pop up.
Where is your arguement? All you did is detail how Windows users save files. There is no argument there, since everyone already knew that.
Javascript can bring up message boxes (idiotically enough, this is enabled by default by MS).
idiotically? MS? I think that should read "conveniently enough, this is enabled by default by most browsers."
So most users (*especially* Internet Explorer users) run into a ton of message boxes while browsing.
again, where are you? Where are these users? Where are they going that causes them to get a "ton" of message boxes? I don't think you have a grasp on the common user nor the power user nor even the internet. Please give me a couple URLs where I can see all these pop-up boxes that I have been missing.
A Javascript should not be able to take malicious, destructive action just because someone clicked "OK" in one of a series of dialogs that a Javascript popped up. To set up IE to operate this was was irresponsible in the extreme by Microsoft.
JavaScript can't do that except in unpatched browsers. MS did not "set it up" that way. Lying like that is irresponsible in the extreme of you.
but, hey, I could be wrong, please send me to one of these magic web sites that most users frequent and are constantly bombarded and maliciously toyed with by the All Powerful JavaScript Alert(); Or admit that you made up your own version of the story and forgot to post it in the 'short fiction' section instead of 'news'.
I believe our rights were given to us by that creator and that no man can take them from you nor give you others, nor even decide which ones I can exercise. Man and their laws can punish me for exercising those rights, but that's about all.
I am given the right to walk, talk, think, break into my neigbor's home and kill them, etc, etc. I am not given the right to fly under my own power.
Please remind me of this discussion when Apple develops their own browser. Oh, wait, they already did! I bet Office on Mac sucks now. No, it's better (in some ways, escpecially for the casual user) than the PC version. And it's part of some big Mac (apple, not McDonalds) promotion. Hmm... Oh well, so much for that idea.
Anyway, when Microsoft decides that manifest destiny is a bad thing and decides that pulling back and concentrating only on windows-based products is the way to go, remind me of this conversation and how you were right.
Manifest Destiny is the american way. As American as Apple Pie, obesity, and Microsoft. Niether Bill nor my Uncle Jim are gonna pull back any time soon.
You can't take over the world without taking over programming for Linux. No way in hell would Bill and Balmer give their developers (developers! developers! developers!) a reason to jump ship like the Mono scenario you describe above. But I'm wrong several times a day, this could be one (or more) of them.
I personally think that it is a bad idea to develop Mono, and think that in the long run it will only help Microsoft.
I guess I could list all the ways that Mono would help me, personally, but I guess you already know those and don't want anything to help me (via Microsoft).
A company sponsors a contest to advertise themselves, not their competitors. If you were to do something on a Linux box that you couldn't on a Windows machine, and then you won... You would basically be advertising for Linux over Windows.
When a company offers to give you something for free in return for your efforts on their platform, you can either enter the contest or not, it's not a big deal. When I send in Campbell's Soup labels, they don't allow me to substitute other companies' soups, even though they work together very well.
Microsoft is in my kitchen! I don't even run *nix at the moment but will soon, thanks to Mono. Does that make me 'the enemy' around here?
If MS does 'embrace' Mono and decide they can do it better, then it will only help me more, because it will either a) be better or b) I'll still use Mono. That's the joy of open source, right? Freedom of choice? This just gives you more freedom and more choices.
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but why is it posted there? it isn't a mozilla or netscape bug. it's a (I believe intention, and if not intentional initially, then definitely intentional now, since it's still there over a year later) design flaw (feature?) in the .NET framework.
the problem isn't with the browser. the .NET framework doesn't send the tags to the browser. That is the problem. If the tags were sent, the browser could handle them. Netscape 7 came out after .NET, they have a (poor) excuse for not handling it correctly yet, but they don't for Netscape 6. Netscape 7 is treated the same way, I've had it since the hour it came out.
My biggest complaint about the .NET framework:
.NET framework does a check to see which browser you use and then sends formats aspx pages for the capabilities of that browser. So if you use abs positioned divs, you'll get those for modern browsers but Netscape 4.7 (for instance) will get the same page (theoretically) but formatted via tables. This is great, if only MS were honest about it.
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I constantly have to hard-code formatting for controls because MS treats Netscape 6 as a 'down-level' browser and doesn't bother sending out certain formatting tags. So some pages look bad in Netscape 6, the reason behind it would be that the formatting tags weren't sent out because Netscape doesn't support them, but this is false because when I add them by hand, netscape handles them fine and my pages look the same in both browsers.
I have to believe that MS does this so people say "this page looks like azz in Netscape" and assume that it's Netscape's problem.
the framework has been out for too long and this is still not fixed, so I can not believe that it is an honest or innocent mistake.
I was a "Life in Hell" fan before that, even.
funny how everyone here says that and then starts bitching, but I have to admit that when I watched a new episode a few months ago, I was amazed at the fact that they are still funny as hell.
You guys can whine all you want about the 'glory days'. And how milk used to cost a quarter...
do nerds/geeks really go to best buy for anything other than DVDs or blank media? I once bought PC speakers there because it was a Saturday and I wanted them immediately, didn't have time to wait, but that's the largest purchase I've ever made there. I don't even buy CD-R there anymore, I go to Office Max instead.
is that really a serious question? I find it hard to believe that you actually think that best buy is only source for laptops. It isn't.
the first goal of the entries should be: "To write the most Obscure/Obfuscated C program under the rules below. "
I don't plan on ever buying a computer from Best Buy.
so you're running linux but you bought a computer from Best Buy? I thought Linux geeks were smarter than that. I only run windows and I've never bought a computer with an OS installed on it.
The original actually tried to do something. It logged into SQL Server using the SA account and a blank password (if someone was dumb enough to leave that...) and then emailed the schema (and data, maybe, I didn't actually test it, just read it) to it's author, set up a new account with it's own password, changed the sa account's password to that password, and then looked for any other SQL Server on the net.
unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it), this scanning for other servers slowed the server down so much that it was noticable if you were in the room with the machine. It sounds to me like someone saw what a load it was putting on the net and the machines infected and decided to cut out the section that gathered the database information and just let it spread freely, assuming it would lock up the net the way it did.
I'm not completely certain that this is the same worm, but it sounds like it.
Microsoft should stay out of the hardware business.
Can I get this in "Articles on Tape" format?
can someone read it aloud and email me the mp3?
AOL gets their news division to write an article after interviewing a few guys who's job it is to scare customers into hiring them by saying that "Microsoft's security is shit, only a professional security advisor can help you."
What a great piece of information. I love it when 'news for the clue-less masses' shows up on a 'news for nerds' site.
market share is about 95%, but their share of the virus market is more like 99.99%.
sounds about right to me. 95% market share = the only one that matters.
of course, your numbers are probably wrong; you appear to make up numbers instead of looking them up.
when was the last time you saw a I hate Apache! Apache is Evil! Stop Apache now! website/post/rant?
DJs play records. Those records are usually either copyrighted or are themselves illegal.
but at least you said "I heard that..." instead of just repeating the FUD you were told like most people seem to do.
what planet are you on?
I'd argue that it is. First they have to see a (familiar) file-dialog box pop up.
Where is your arguement? All you did is detail how Windows users save files. There is no argument there, since everyone already knew that.
Javascript can bring up message boxes (idiotically enough, this is enabled by default by MS).
idiotically? MS? I think that should read "conveniently enough, this is enabled by default by most browsers."
So most users (*especially* Internet Explorer users) run into a ton of message boxes while browsing.
again, where are you? Where are these users? Where are they going that causes them to get a "ton" of message boxes? I don't think you have a grasp on the common user nor the power user nor even the internet. Please give me a couple URLs where I can see all these pop-up boxes that I have been missing.
A Javascript should not be able to take malicious, destructive action just because someone clicked "OK" in one of a series of dialogs that a Javascript popped up. To set up IE to operate this was was irresponsible in the extreme by Microsoft.
JavaScript can't do that except in unpatched browsers. MS did not "set it up" that way. Lying like that is irresponsible in the extreme of you.
but, hey, I could be wrong, please send me to one of these magic web sites that most users frequent and are constantly bombarded and maliciously toyed with by the All Powerful JavaScript Alert(); Or admit that you made up your own version of the story and forgot to post it in the 'short fiction' section instead of 'news'.
for old, unpatched versions of IE, there is a security hole (OLD security hole) that bypasses the "open/save" dialog box.
I believe our rights were given to us by that creator and that no man can take them from you nor give you others, nor even decide which ones I can exercise. Man and their laws can punish me for exercising those rights, but that's about all.
I am given the right to walk, talk, think, break into my neigbor's home and kill them, etc, etc. I am not given the right to fly under my own power.
But that is way off topic.
I have had human DNA for years. My prior art invalidates all patents.
Please remind me of this discussion when Apple develops their own browser. Oh, wait, they already did! I bet Office on Mac sucks now. No, it's better (in some ways, escpecially for the casual user) than the PC version. And it's part of some big Mac (apple, not McDonalds) promotion. Hmm... Oh well, so much for that idea.
Anyway, when Microsoft decides that manifest destiny is a bad thing and decides that pulling back and concentrating only on windows-based products is the way to go, remind me of this conversation and how you were right.
Manifest Destiny is the american way. As American as Apple Pie, obesity, and Microsoft. Niether Bill nor my Uncle Jim are gonna pull back any time soon.
You can't take over the world without taking over programming for Linux. No way in hell would Bill and Balmer give their developers (developers! developers! developers!) a reason to jump ship like the Mono scenario you describe above.
But I'm wrong several times a day, this could be one (or more) of them.
I personally think that it is a bad idea to develop Mono, and think that in the long run it will only help Microsoft.
I guess I could list all the ways that Mono would help me, personally, but I guess you already know those and don't want anything to help me (via Microsoft).
so I ask again... does that make me the enemy?
A company sponsors a contest to advertise themselves, not their competitors. If you were to do something on a Linux box that you couldn't on a Windows machine, and then you won... You would basically be advertising for Linux over Windows.
When a company offers to give you something for free in return for your efforts on their platform, you can either enter the contest or not, it's not a big deal. When I send in Campbell's Soup labels, they don't allow me to substitute other companies' soups, even though they work together very well.
Microsoft is in my kitchen! I don't even run *nix at the moment but will soon, thanks to Mono. Does that make me 'the enemy' around here?
If MS does 'embrace' Mono and decide they can do it better, then it will only help me more, because it will either a) be better or b) I'll still use Mono. That's the joy of open source, right? Freedom of choice? This just gives you more freedom and more choices.
Rejoice!