Modern industrial cattle operations feed cows corn because calorie-for-calorie it is the cheapest food available for cows. The problem is that cows evolved to eat grass, not grains, so their stomachs aren't suited to it. They come down with stomach acidosis, and they will only live about six months once the corn diet begins.
Actually, it's more of a meat-per-acre argument. Cattle are often raised where there isn't enough land to let them graze, so they have to be fed with imported (read: more rural) food. Feeding them grass isn't feasible because the raw tonnage of grass would cost too much to transport, so they resort to corn (calorie/weight). In more rural areas, they are fed grass (every farmer I personally know).
Interesting. My observation has been the opposite - doctors who prescribe the oldest and lamest antibiotics first. When they give me amoxicillin, I always know I'll be back for a round of something else (augmentin seems to work for most of what I get).
I never claimed it was a "flash mob" and think no such thing. The fact is, when the rumor mill starts up, most prospective buyers are holding off purchase until the new device comes out - that is one thing that leads to these launch lines (believe me, you'll never find me in one). Sure there are crazies out there, but it is most certainly not the "vast majority" of Apple's customers. How would you explain their GROWING volume numbers? Are people suddenly buying two for themselves? Personally, I have NEVER seen anybody just "fondling" an iDevice (or any shiny electronic object for that matter) and if you see a lot of this there must be a mental institution near where you live.
It says something about you that just because there are creepies with iPhones that you don't want one. The vast majority of people I see with any iDevice are just normal people who want a good phone/tablet. If you see no utility in an iPad, fine, but I think it is great for comfortable/casual email, browsing, gaming, etc anywhere.
Actually, Apple and other manufacturers are NOT responsible for their SUPPLIERS' mishaps.
You should be a politician.
a) A "mishap" is something not done intentionally or consistently. That is not the case here.
b) If you really believe there's no downstream responsibility, then you also believe consumers bear no responsibility for buying sweat-shop-labour products, limiting use of plastic bags, etc.
Perhaps you also think - to take it to its logical conclusion - that you, as a "consumer" (not citizen, not person - consumer) have an inalienable right to be provided with whatever you want to buy, devoid of responsibility of your actions, so you can go through life prioritising money over everything, with no thought to how your spending, burning and disposing affects anyone or anything else.
No, I believe no such thing. Apple has no weight of law in a foreign country. They cannot command or force foreign suppliers to follow the law. They can only bring things to light, as they obviously are.
What color is the sky in your world? Apple has little power in changing the way things are done over there except to bring light to them, as they are doing. They cannot force the suppliers to follow local laws. As a customer, yes they are enabling the problem, but they are not to BLAME, your weak analogies notwithstanding.
the vendor controls the invisible hand. they need to use it to bitch-slap suppliers more, rather than simply giving the cheapest supplier an invisible hand job.
I utterly agree. My point was only that the invisible hand is not to blame. I whole-heartedly support any necessary bitch-slapping.
Edy Jianto, general manager at Flextronics Electronics Technology (Suzhou) Co Ltd, estimated that many multinational companies enjoy a gross profit margin of between 50 to 60 percent while Chinese contract manufacturers have an average margin of around 3 percent.
Do you think you will place much emphasize in environment and labor conditions if your margin is only 3% and wouldn't you try to do whatever you can to circumvent the Chinese environmental and labor laws?.
I'm not surprised at all. I think it's a major problem. I just think that blaming the customer is not the way to go. The polluter should be in trouble - and maybe their prices go up as a result.
Those are two words that I'm so sick of hearing. They've got Dilbert written all over them. Fact: manufacturing is in China for fucking everything. Note that Apple is looking into it to protect their image, but they don't have to and can't be held to blame (legally, anyway) for a supplier's alleged violations.
Ok, good point. I have an Android phone. I think the difference is that I'm not standing in line outside the AT&T store for new hardware whenever the manufacturer makes a carefully timed, incremental improvement. It's not the hardware itself (I need a cell phone for my job) but the wasteful culture of dumping your product every few months for a slightly better one, that's the real problem. And the worst offenders are Apple fanbois. Tell me this isn't true.
I tend to keep a phone until it stops working and can't be fixed. I'm sure there are Apple users who operate the same way, but you couldn't tell it by the crowd blocking the Starbucks drive-thru when the 4s was released.
Okay. It isn't true. It simply isn't. Sure there are a few who upgrade every year or two, but NO ONE is upgrading every couple of months as you suppose. That's utter bullshit. Apple doesn't even put out new hardware every few months. Carriers have two year contracts for a reason - the average user does replace every two years. Like you, I am not one of them. I still have the second cell phone I've ever had. The line blocking the Starbucks was because there was a great product being released, you fandroid rage notwithstanding.
Bullshit. They knew that China's environmental regulations are a joke, and they still chose to have their hardware manufactured there. The pollution must be REALLY bad if the Chinese govt is actually doing something about it.
And every other fucking manufacturer who uses China as a supplier - that's fucking everybody, you know.
No, you are wrong. These suppliers supply other companies, too. Do you blame every other manufacturer? No? Oh, you're a hater; I see. By extension, every customer of Apple's is at fault for the pollution, then every user, so some four-year-old playing Angry Birds is at fault. Way to spread blame. The polluter is to blame. Here, Apple is looking into it so the blame doesn't spread - that's simply good for business.
this is the first time Apple has admitted any wrongdoing in relation to environmental pollution from any of its Chinese supply chains
Blaming the user of the components (Apple) is virtually the same as blaming the end-user (consumers). It is NOT Apple's fault China has lax compliance.
No, it's clear you've missed the point. I wouldn't want to be a billionaire if it required me to be a sociopathic narcissistic douchebag. So sorry, but no sour grapes here, just heaping tons of disdain.
Whatever you have to tell yourself while choking down those grapes.
Do they have the largest part of the SmartPhone market - No
Do they have the largest part of the Laptop market - No
Do they have the largest part of the Tablet market - Yes but they have little or no competition in the artificial market they created
Music Player - Well the market is shifting, and most people have a music player on their phone now so if you count these then the iPod is a minute part of the market... (From my experience I have has one mp3 player for 5 years, my friends have bought several (3 or more) iPods in this time due to breakage/battery issues, so I suspect their sales figures were inflated anyway?)
Hate much? I wish I could create an "artificial market" and rake in billions in sales.
And the silly thing is, most of those disdainful programmers don't know anything about solid state physics, the fundamental discipline that gives them the ability to run their programs in the first place. In other words, if you keep behaving like a nerd, you will still be considered a dweeb by others. Disclaimer: I don't know much about the subject, either.
Everyone has been on that business trip with the guy who just won't talk... you spend hours and hours with them at the airport, at meals, in the car driving to and from your destination, and they don't say a word! It's miserable. You'd rather be there by yourself than be with the guy who can't say anything more than "hello" and "good night."
Even worse is the guy who just won't shut up. Ever sit next to one of them on a plane when you just want to read?
Source? Last thing I heard they were completely dependent on Samsung and desperately trying to get TSMC to step up in case Samsung pulls the rug out. Even the PWRefficent people that they hired were chip designers, not manufacturers.
I think the iPod nano recall was all about baking ICs (by way of exploding battery).
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The only people who think Android is stolen are either a) below contempt or b) worthy of being punched or c) OMG STEVE JOBS IS MY GAAWWWDDDDD!!!!!! and probably fit squarely into a) and b) already.
You are now the wikipedia example of the logical fallacy "poisoning the well."
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Modern industrial cattle operations feed cows corn because calorie-for-calorie it is the cheapest food available for cows. The problem is that cows evolved to eat grass, not grains, so their stomachs aren't suited to it. They come down with stomach acidosis, and they will only live about six months once the corn diet begins.
Actually, it's more of a meat-per-acre argument. Cattle are often raised where there isn't enough land to let them graze, so they have to be fed with imported (read: more rural) food. Feeding them grass isn't feasible because the raw tonnage of grass would cost too much to transport, so they resort to corn (calorie/weight). In more rural areas, they are fed grass (every farmer I personally know).
Interesting. My observation has been the opposite - doctors who prescribe the oldest and lamest antibiotics first. When they give me amoxicillin, I always know I'll be back for a round of something else (augmentin seems to work for most of what I get).
I never claimed it was a "flash mob" and think no such thing. The fact is, when the rumor mill starts up, most prospective buyers are holding off purchase until the new device comes out - that is one thing that leads to these launch lines (believe me, you'll never find me in one). Sure there are crazies out there, but it is most certainly not the "vast majority" of Apple's customers. How would you explain their GROWING volume numbers? Are people suddenly buying two for themselves? Personally, I have NEVER seen anybody just "fondling" an iDevice (or any shiny electronic object for that matter) and if you see a lot of this there must be a mental institution near where you live.
It says something about you that just because there are creepies with iPhones that you don't want one. The vast majority of people I see with any iDevice are just normal people who want a good phone/tablet. If you see no utility in an iPad, fine, but I think it is great for comfortable/casual email, browsing, gaming, etc anywhere.
Full disclosure - I have a regular dumb-phone.
Actually, Apple and other manufacturers are NOT responsible for their SUPPLIERS' mishaps.
You should be a politician.
a) A "mishap" is something not done intentionally or consistently. That is not the case here.
b) If you really believe there's no downstream responsibility, then you also believe consumers bear no responsibility for buying sweat-shop-labour products, limiting use of plastic bags, etc.
Perhaps you also think - to take it to its logical conclusion - that you, as a "consumer" (not citizen, not person - consumer) have an inalienable right to be provided with whatever you want to buy, devoid of responsibility of your actions, so you can go through life prioritising money over everything, with no thought to how your spending, burning and disposing affects anyone or anything else.
No, I believe no such thing. Apple has no weight of law in a foreign country. They cannot command or force foreign suppliers to follow the law. They can only bring things to light, as they obviously are.
What color is the sky in your world? Apple has little power in changing the way things are done over there except to bring light to them, as they are doing. They cannot force the suppliers to follow local laws. As a customer, yes they are enabling the problem, but they are not to BLAME, your weak analogies notwithstanding.
the vendor controls the invisible hand. they need to use it to bitch-slap suppliers more, rather than simply giving the cheapest supplier an invisible hand job.
I utterly agree. My point was only that the invisible hand is not to blame. I whole-heartedly support any necessary bitch-slapping.
Actually, Apple and other manufacturers are NOT responsible for their SUPPLIERS' mishaps.
Sure they are. Apple has almost certainly been sued for problems that are/were caused by their suppliers.
Wow, way to buttress you argument. Also, citation needed.
Actually, Apple and other manufacturers are NOT responsible for their SUPPLIERS' mishaps.
Anyone who is able to improve things and opts not to is responsible.
So it's your fault. You could take your entire net worth, liquidate it and go to China and help clean up the pollution yourself.
What if the only suppliers available are dirty? Choose not to make the product? Right!
Well... it could well be that Apple or other hardware buyers low-bidding the Chinese manufacturers.
Edy Jianto, general manager at Flextronics Electronics Technology (Suzhou) Co Ltd, estimated that many multinational companies enjoy a gross profit margin of between 50 to 60 percent while Chinese contract manufacturers have an average margin of around 3 percent.
Do you think you will place much emphasize in environment and labor conditions if your margin is only 3% and wouldn't you try to do whatever you can to circumvent the Chinese environmental and labor laws?.
I'm not surprised at all. I think it's a major problem. I just think that blaming the customer is not the way to go. The polluter should be in trouble - and maybe their prices go up as a result.
"Due diligence"
Those are two words that I'm so sick of hearing. They've got Dilbert written all over them. Fact: manufacturing is in China for fucking everything. Note that Apple is looking into it to protect their image, but they don't have to and can't be held to blame (legally, anyway) for a supplier's alleged violations.
Ok, good point. I have an Android phone. I think the difference is that I'm not standing in line outside the AT&T store for new hardware whenever the manufacturer makes a carefully timed, incremental improvement. It's not the hardware itself (I need a cell phone for my job) but the wasteful culture of dumping your product every few months for a slightly better one, that's the real problem. And the worst offenders are Apple fanbois. Tell me this isn't true.
I tend to keep a phone until it stops working and can't be fixed. I'm sure there are Apple users who operate the same way, but you couldn't tell it by the crowd blocking the Starbucks drive-thru when the 4s was released.
Okay. It isn't true. It simply isn't. Sure there are a few who upgrade every year or two, but NO ONE is upgrading every couple of months as you suppose. That's utter bullshit. Apple doesn't even put out new hardware every few months. Carriers have two year contracts for a reason - the average user does replace every two years. Like you, I am not one of them. I still have the second cell phone I've ever had. The line blocking the Starbucks was because there was a great product being released, you fandroid rage notwithstanding.
Bullshit. They knew that China's environmental regulations are a joke, and they still chose to have their hardware manufactured there. The pollution must be REALLY bad if the Chinese govt is actually doing something about it.
And every other fucking manufacturer who uses China as a supplier - that's fucking everybody, you know.
No, you are wrong. These suppliers supply other companies, too. Do you blame every other manufacturer? No? Oh, you're a hater; I see. By extension, every customer of Apple's is at fault for the pollution, then every user, so some four-year-old playing Angry Birds is at fault. Way to spread blame. The polluter is to blame. Here, Apple is looking into it so the blame doesn't spread - that's simply good for business.
this is the first time Apple has admitted any wrongdoing in relation to environmental pollution from any of its Chinese supply chains
Blaming the user of the components (Apple) is virtually the same as blaming the end-user (consumers). It is NOT Apple's fault China has lax compliance.
I'm not an apple fan, I like Linux. However all hardware manufacturers are guilty here not just apple.
Actually, Apple and other manufacturers are NOT responsible for their SUPPLIERS' mishaps.
No, it's clear you've missed the point. I wouldn't want to be a billionaire if it required me to be a sociopathic narcissistic douchebag. So sorry, but no sour grapes here, just heaping tons of disdain.
Whatever you have to tell yourself while choking down those grapes.
Yeah, I'm pissed that I didn't turn out to be a sociopathic narcissistic dead cult leader billionaire /s
I think the billionaire part is what you're pissed about; the adjectives are just the proof of the piss.
Unless you're a charismatic sociopathic narcissistic cult leader it's highly unlikely.
That's quite a load of sour grapes over there on your plate.
..winning in the Portable device market -
Do they have the largest part of the SmartPhone market - No
Do they have the largest part of the Laptop market - No
Do they have the largest part of the Tablet market - Yes but they have little or no competition in the artificial market they created
Music Player - Well the market is shifting, and most people have a music player on their phone now so if you count these then the iPod is a minute part of the market ... (From my experience I have has one mp3 player for 5 years, my friends have bought several (3 or more) iPods in this time due to breakage/battery issues, so I suspect their sales figures were inflated anyway?)
Hate much? I wish I could create an "artificial market" and rake in billions in sales.
And the silly thing is, most of those disdainful programmers don't know anything about solid state physics, the fundamental discipline that gives them the ability to run their programs in the first place. In other words, if you keep behaving like a nerd, you will still be considered a dweeb by others. Disclaimer: I don't know much about the subject, either.
I program on a loom, you insensitive clod!
Everyone has been on that business trip with the guy who just won't talk... you spend hours and hours with them at the airport, at meals, in the car driving to and from your destination, and they don't say a word! It's miserable. You'd rather be there by yourself than be with the guy who can't say anything more than "hello" and "good night."
Even worse is the guy who just won't shut up. Ever sit next to one of them on a plane when you just want to read?
by the way, they are baking their own ICs now
Source? Last thing I heard they were completely dependent on Samsung and desperately trying to get TSMC to step up in case Samsung pulls the rug out. Even the PWRefficent people that they hired were chip designers, not manufacturers.
I think the iPod nano recall was all about baking ICs (by way of exploding battery).
The only people who think Android is stolen are either a) below contempt or b) worthy of being punched or c) OMG STEVE JOBS IS MY GAAWWWDDDDD!!!!!! and probably fit squarely into a) and b) already.
You are now the wikipedia example of the logical fallacy "poisoning the well."
Actually there was an article at /. the other day that talked about this fact already.
Yeah, but nobody RTFA.