...there are obvious exceptions to the rule. If we can accept that, I'll give you this. You are correct in that "new and improved" companies need the initial startup capital. after that, they don't get much more. People nowadays buy stocks in the expectation of selling them primarily to make money, not to get steady decent dividends from a company that makes money. That's why the market is so volatile and over valued right now. Even with the corrections after 99 and 2000 and 2001, it is still over valued to a tremendous degree, if you compare what current ask bid and ask prices are compared to what the company is actually worth. Like I said, do an extrapolation, theoretically freeze it right this second. Now how much of the total todays average exactly between bid and ask of all the stocks in existence could be "cashed out", really turned into cash without just running printing presses day and night? Personally I doubt it would come close to cracking medium single digits percentage wise, although I admit there's very little hard numbers that aare reliable to look at.
Stocks no longer primarily represent a companys worth, or even come close to what it might be actually worth even years from now, and it's because it's run as a shilled pyramid scheme. And people primarily buy stock hopong someone else will buy them from them, based on the principle the new buyer tends to think someone else will buy them from them even higher, ad absurdium.
It is irrational and illogical and doesn't come close to giving a true estimation of any economies real worth. You cannot make an economy grow merely buy selling and reselling and re-re-re-selling the same goods up and up and up,which is how the market is run now, economies only get better by producers actually producing new wealth, not be rearranging or by re selling old wealth over and over and over again. If that was possible, two people could sit in a room and sell each other the same widget or widget service back and forth all night, each step of the way adding ten percent say, and by morning be multi trillionaires. It obviously doesn't and can't work on a micro scale like that, so NO WAY will it ever work on a macro scale, with a maco scale merely being a huge amalgamation of miulions of micro scale examples. The advanced market shills and skimmers go to great lengths to maintain the illusion that it's possible, and it's this illusion, that plays on greed and the something for nothing attitude that induce into people that sucks in the new cash that is the only way all the non producers can keep taking profits.
It's just advanced magic beans or the cow. An old fairy tale meant to tell a lesson in basic reality. The illusion can last for a certain term, and the skimmers can surely get a lot of cows transferred to them for their magic beans, but in the end it crashes, they have to wait a bit to restart up the scam again. Really big ones take two generations for the huge crash, it takes that long for societal memory to evaporate and get replaced with the famous "irrational exuberance", which is just another way of saying "wow, these magic beans are worth so much more than my cow, I think I'll swap!".
...google has to deal with shipping and dockworker strikes and the price of oil (45$ and one major mideast wildcard incident away from 100$) and various other factors that tangible industries have to deal with, because when you get down to it, these places that directly are affected are the ones either buying ads on google or buying search technology from google. It's only one or two steps away in the vast majority of cases, which is pretty darn close. Two steps away are service industries who in turn are dependent on tangible industries which are the one step away part of the mix. Every single penny they make is dependent on the "other" econonmy, even investor money once they start selling shares. It's connected, there's no such thing as just an "ad" that isn't anything more than a reference to a tangible product or a reference to a service for a tangible product, if you follow the economic links around. And those tangible products now are v-e-r-y iffy, mostly because of grossly over inflated various international fiat currencies, and the threats of much more widespread war and what might happen to oil in general, which next to water is the most important commodity we have that fuels the world.
Where to put the money? Directly into real stuff that represent necessities, things that people just can-not do without. And warstuffs unfortunately, war is always a growth industry given human nature and greed and mass stupidity..
Simple math, it doesn't take a professional. You seemed to have forgottej to mention that your "winner" person Y had to have someone brand new enter new REAL cash into the market in order for Y to "cash out". That real cash did not come from the market as it stood a second before the cashout, it had to come from outside the market and be introduced into it for the cashout to take place (very broadly speaking but it's true). You forgot that in your details. It's pyramidal, real cash has to be constantly pumped in to it above and beyond the tangible accumulated wealth produced by the goods represented by the actual corporations Service money is a dilution of wealth in the aggregate, hence the name "service". Wealth is a function of ownership of the land, what can be grown or extracted in some manner or form from the land, or what can be manufactured from any combination of the last two. Everything else is a dilution and constitutes wealth production re-arrangement, not wealth production.. If the market wasn't pyramidal, theoretically you could freeze the market one day, at whatever bid price was current,and everyone could do this "cashout" thing, and that's not possible, is it? In fact it might be *at best* a few pennies on the buck in reality, isn't it, right now?
If what you said was true, the crash of 29-34 would have resulted in "all winners", there wouldn't have been a crash at all, we would have had a perpetual boom cycle. We didn't,did we?
Here's the proof. When I was a kid, you could literally go into the five and dime (a lot of people have never even seen such a store, I think they are rare now) and buy a nice bundle of real old great depression era stocks as a novelty for one dime, less than a penny apiece. Very pretty, all curleycue scrolled edges, very impressive looking. They probably represented quite a lot of lost money for a lot of investors. They actually did gamble and lose, millions of them, there were only a few big winners.
No, I won't repeat what you said,because it's not true, I'll say it's an elaborate ponzi scheme that only exists by inducing new suckers into it every friday afternoon. It's not much different from a huge MLM where you have to get people "under you" to actually support you so you don't have to actually produce any true wealth, with the difference being there are much less real products involved than most MLMs which are scussy enough as they are. Theoretical paper contracts as in the article are not much in the way of a real tangible product, they do nothing to help the over all economy, all they do is re-arrange what wealth exists, they produce *nothing*, and the only what it is possible is by shilling newsuckers into it all the time.
Originally how it was set up it was much closer to being a real "investment", with more at least semi honest quantifiable risk data to use for your assessment if you should invest or not. It is not that way now, or are you forgetting the recent dot bomb phenomenon?
It could be, I acknowledged that. I responded both ways, and none of it was nasty. This is slashdot, you kinda expect to get razzed or nailed, and subtle humor is that-subtle. I had to consider that as well. I certainly meant no offense back, and did say "thanks",it's right there to read, and I answered it truthfully. I was just covering both potential bases with one reply as best I could. I get both kinds of responses a lot, that's all, I certainly wasn't trying to be offensive with my reply, and guess I am not used to being asked for input.
the one myself and three friends saw wasn't really "far away" astronomy, it was two houses away floating over a roof. Scared and awed the snot out of us. I will never forget it. Literally had the sensation where all the hairs on your neck go up, only time that ever happened to me. I have yet to see anything we claim as a society to own or operate look or act like it did. I can't tell you what it was, but I know what it wasn't, namely all the normal explanations. It appeared as an often described thing, a rough glowing oval, approximately 30 or so feet wide, judging by it's size relative to the normal house roof, it was slightly smaller, about 1/4 that thick or a little more. It came down the block, hovered over this house for a minute,perhpas less than a minute, not very long, slowly went back down the block, then went up and *really* accelerated away, faster than any fighter jet I ever saw. It didn't poof out, just accelerated so fast it was gone in a second or so, but you could still see it briefly. No noise of note, not a sound, just a light similar to like when someone is welding, but not quite as bright, but bright enough. Right up there in the eerie category, but still awesome. Scared and at complete amazement and wonderment at the same time. Tell ya whut, it shut four teenagers up for quite awhile, we just stared at each other, then looked at the sky, then back to staring at each other. We didn't say much to each other until the next day really. There was nothing to say, one of those things you just experience. Best I can describe it, like getting stunned.
All I got to say is, if we had stuff like that in the early 60's, I want my skycar now, heh.
Just checked it out, reviews look good. I wish I could help you with the questions but I don't have any good answers. I don't know if you would want to give a bunch of kids root passwords though, seems like you'd get hosed pretty quickly.
...I've seen the references before on/. as a medium sarcasm "I would like to subscribe to your newsletter" etc, so let's say I am not baited. If I am posting too much...eh, so what? Maybe I'll tone it down. In my defense, I'm not around a lot of humans here where I live,my girlfriend and I got talked out years ago, heh, so I don't get to talk much, so I compensate with the web. If you are serious, thanks, but all I do now is post on a few forums,and I post more here than any place else, so what you see is what you get. If at some time I go back to writing more...what's a good word... "officially"... which I might.. I'll post the details of it in my journal, which is virgin so far, BTW.
--and how much do our scientists care about actually communicating with... I dunno, pick some little critter at random, I'm in the south, we'll say possums. If joe scientist wanted to study possums, he would try to stay as hidden as possible and just watch/observe/ take notes, etc. Some alien species could feel the same way if they are even marginally more advanced than we are. We might just be dumb critters to them. They might be fully aware of us, but really not give a care other than watching, and use a totally different way to communicate than what we use, along the lines of the article suggestions.
With that said, I think they already are here,as in *here*, to me the point is moot, and one of the main reasons I know the government is a big fat liar in public. In private,I have had too many guys who would be in a position to actually know what they are talking about, off the record of course, clue me in. If it was just one, I'd say "eh, no way, war stories like fish stories", but several now,quite startling really, and besides what I saw when I was a teenager. One of the main reasons I am so much an "honesty with government please" ranter. Not the only reason, but a main reason.
Now I know I'll get ranked by the trolls, but oh well, it's real.
--use your freebie journal here. Hosted on decent servers, guaranateed at least some sort of audience, and the price is right. Like the journal FAQ says -"what CAN'T you use it for?"
unless you are an illegal alien. They seem to be able to get away with quite a bit around where I live, especially with driving and registration and insurance and licenses, as in, if you are hispanic nothing much happens to you if you have violated any ot the laws, if you are a regular ole bubba or brother, you get the book thrown at you... wonder why that is... actually I don't wonder, but it still sucks....
What I think is another rip is you can't get driving insurance for YOU, you have to get it for each vehicle you own. I'm only driving one at a time, they ask in advance if anyone else is going to be driving it, so it seems like quite the rip off.
Anyway, I used to be an insurance guy for a short time, about a year, the jig is almost up with those guys, premiums barely cover commissions and office work, they make their money with increasingly uncertain stock market speculation and in mortgages. If joe fed hadn't printed up two trillion in funny bucks last year, the mortgage market would have already collapsed, Along with unfunded future promises to pay with pensions, 401ks, government paper, etc, it's the largest bubble out there primed to pop.
...already proven that big corporate interests will sue scads of individual small fry or semi small fry users. I don't think this would be any different if it came to umpteen billions of dollars in alleged "infringements", and as far as "laws" go, patent infringement is a scosh worse than copyright infringement.
Not saying it will happen, just saying it might. A few years ago, you hardly got anyone to even consider the possibility of individual file P2P sharers getting sued, it went against "common knowledge" and whatnot from what I remember reading by all the internet experts.
The recipient of the 2004 ACS Creative Invention Award is Dr. Andrew J. Ouderkirk. Dr. Ouderkirk has received this award for his role as the principal inventor and project leader of the groundbreaking 3M(TM) Multilayer Optical Film (MOF) technology, a core technology within 3M's Light Management platform. The MOF technology uses birefringent polymers in the manufacture of reflective film polarizers and high efficiency mirrors. Dr. Ouderkirk now holds the title of 3M Corporate Scientist in the 3M Company. In addition, he recently became a member of 3M's prestigious Carlton Society in recognition of his pioneering work in the development of the optical film technology.
... for the old ways of construction. 3 foot thick earth-type walls, low deep overhangs for shade. Maybe those old original settlers in the southwest weren't as backwards as we think, just because they didn't have cheap electricity.......
... and the best in your division. Why not just start your own company instead with your affected peer group? Walk away! You get to keep your brains, they don't. If your employer was able to pay you 6 figures average, that means they were making at least probably double that off of your labor. Screw em! They want a piece of paper instead of productivity, take your productivity to your own office and take all the cash, not some of it. The proof is in the product, not the degrees hanging on the wall.
And something the petit pompous bosses aren't bingoing to yet, even though it's staring at them. First they came for the blue collars who actually produced, and everyone else sneered and laughed at them, and told them to pull themselves up by the bootstraps. Now they are coming for the white collar actual producers, telling them-and you- to pull yourselves up by the bootstraps "or else". Next they-they being the billionaire globalists who could give a rats ass about anyone else except their profits are going to start eating the lower level managers and sales people, and those dudes STILL think they aren't replaceable with outsourcing overseas. Ha! Sure they aren't!
Get self employed if you want to STAY employed, no matter what field you are in. Better to be employed at 50 or less a year then unemployed at whatever you used to make. And there's no profit for your soul working for cretins like that, and it's something you can't put a dollar tag on.
it's TOTALLY legal to represent yourself in any court of law. You have to learn a bit of legal procedure, but it's doable and a lot easier than learning how to program or play the latest complex videogame. If you think you always have to use a 200$ an hour lawyer, you have defeated yourself in advance.
And yes, been there, done that, won both times, once against literally a flown in expert lawyer hired by a consortium of rich dudes. I won't go into specifics, I will say it was hard,scary at times, even to the point of getting death threats from people I know had already murdered people in an arson for profit scam, but I started from scratch, got some good free advice and ran with it and kicked boot-tay. The main thing is, you got to KNOW you are in the right, if you are, then it's just procedure, lining your ducks up, and going for it. It's doable, even moreso now that you can use the internet for research. Thousands of people out there are working their own cases now,websites exist for the purpose of helping, the monopoly guild just doesn't like it and would like to make it illegal, but so far it's still *legal* to do so.
SETI is a neat concept and it's logical. That means any alien species would have figured it out as well, and would first be listening for signals directed to *them* before they actively pick a target to transmit to, no matter the technique. Picking a target at random to direct some sort of advanced transmission -> to is pretty expensive and silly, you would want to know that the civilization is advanced enough to understand and to reply to your transmission. Seems like it anyway. It's a catch 22, who goes first?
It could be we have a host of semi advanced civilisations like ours, all sitting around in passive reception mode, waiting for someone to contact them.
if you are the same Ac as the parent I wasz replying to, the point was made that yahoo wouldn't want to sue google because as they owned part of google they would be hurting themselves in a way. I replied only if they sit on the stocks, if they sell them, they wouldn't be hurting themselves.
A point/counterpoint, both valid near as I can see. I was replying that no one knows (publically yet) what they will do with them. The implied assumption in the parent was that they would retain them, I reject that, as it's conjecture and speculation, an assumption, it is not data. If the assumption turns out to be correct, then yes, it wouldn't be a smart business decsion. If the assumption is incorrect, it wouldn't be.
Hope that clarifies it, nothing to get upset over.
AAAAAH, thankyou, now it makes more sense to me. Way outside my expertise here, but I was interested in reading about it anyway, but got confused right off the bat. thanks again!
... I don't troll, it's my honest opinion on those matters. And banks would become increasingly irrelevant once the scam of poof created money and fractional reserve was eliminated. They are part and parcel of the scam, allowed to loan that which they do not possess in actuality. Usury is one thing, but usury based on loaning which you don't even possess in total? That's a compound scam and serious "wrongness". On a small scale it's called buncoism, so I think the same term should be applied at those lofty levels, because it's the same exact thing-fraud.
My idea on money I posted here before, but here's a basic simplified nutshell gist of it.
First, be clear on the difference between money and wealth. Wealth is either the land itself, what can be grown from the land, extracted from the land, or manufactured from any combination of the last two, and that's it. Money is a portable representation of that wealth. Using "debt notes" like FRN's is a scam and should be eliminated, it's a horrid example of a money system, primarily designed to keep non workers in the central banking system forever as creditors and every one else in debt to them. It is in no way based on wealth, so, as such it doesn't even represent money, and they don't even claim it's money, it's technically a "note", although in common parlance it's still called money.
Money supply would be regulated by taking into account the top 100 commodities produced and traded in a nation any year. 100 is nice because it's a good enough and large enough representation of the diversity in business, it's the number we are all comfortable with, and it wouldn't result in any changes to accounting or day to day business. Yes, the base representations of which can be gold and silver,it's the LAW by the way that it should be, fed reserve act not withstanding, because they are universally recognized durable goods of worth and have been used for money for thousands of years in all socieites and cultures. Don't try to fix what never has been broken in other words. Our mint still makes them, no reason to abandon the concept, but they don't necessarily need to be used in day to day transactions, they should just be there for those that want them or as a way to do long term storage of portable wealth. How much a particular coin is worth can be adjusted once you set an official starting point standard, currently we call an oz of au 50$, of silver one dollar, etc. Then the supply number of the day to day commodities based currency is adjusted up-or down- based on if the nation actually grows real wealth, which it usually does to some degree anyway. The nation bases it's dollar that's used day to day on those top commodities. In other words, true wealth must be created before a digital representation can be applied against it, 180 degrees from what we have now which is highly inflationary and in no way rational. what are we now, trillions in alleged debt? That's nuts... Never would have happened if the only thing that could have been borrowed had to be tangibly there in the first place. You can't borrow what isn't there, so it would force governmental and societal rationality back into the general economy.
As business and society changes, the top commodites used can change with it,they don't have to be carved in stone, for example the sterotypical buggywhips can drop off the scale when they no longer make the top 100 cut of useful tangibles and something else replaces them, whatever it is.. We already tabulate and account for them, so the records are already in place to do this. The money supply is strictly regulated on the actual produced wealth that the nation has made the year before, so the supply can be adjusted *exactly* up to that point to add to the totality of -dollars/digits/units- in existence. No more having some private bank called the fed decide for us what the supply should be based on what their drinking buddies need that quarter. Honest pure business, not created debt. It will match precisely what is really there then, no less,
Good, glad to hear it! Anything that cuts out their obscene profits is OK by me, even if it's only 1/2 cut out. They don't deserve it, don't work much for it, and the system is thoroughly corrupt anyway. Insider trading is the norm, it's not the exception, they just keep getting better at developing ways to obfuscate how they pull it off.
Wall street NEEDS massive reform. People should be able to buy shares direct, with NO COMMISSIONS. We don't NEED middlemen skimmers and manipulators and shills for "stock". And the next step is a mandated lawful minimum transfer time period of at least one year, to stop gambling and day trading speculation, help eliminate boom and bust cycles and "irrational euberance". Make the stock "market" turn back into investing like it's supposed to be and not poker chip trading based on ridiculous voodoo wave theories and astrology and "nightly business reports" corporate brokerage shilling.
And then, HONEST MONEY based on actual quantifiable tangible assets, not poof created "credit". SCREW the central banks, buncha outright scumbag thieves. No one "owes" them any "debt". They have nothing to actually loan except digits they create out of thin air on computers.. It's a congame, always been a congame, always will be a congame. They aren't respectable businessmen, they are pirates, hijackers of peoples wealth and productivity, crooks. As far as I am concerned they should be charged with capital T treason.
Sunoco is getting into the solar hot water business with carwashes I was reading as well.
On another note, Saudi Arabia is serious about getting into solar power in general, although from the looks of this article, they seem to be liking the solar -> hydrogen idea better, although all aspects of solar are represented there.
I really like mine, only regret is not doing it sooner. For what people pay for a game machine or a modest home theater rig that just *uses* power you can get a nice starter size solar rig. I think more geeks should get into it and support the industry, it's also practical in the sense you can have a nifty practical "big" ups sysyem with clean juice, and by clean I mean nice wave form and stable voltage. I live rural, the grid power goes out or goes brown quite a bit here, having at least *some* of my power needs covered is a nice bit of practicality. Even with an extended outtage I can still have some to use. The last place I lived (I do caretaking, work for rich folks) was all solar, those folks had quite an impressive rig. We even made the distilled water for the batteries from a solar distiller box.
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...there are obvious exceptions to the rule. If we can accept that, I'll give you this. You are correct in that "new and improved" companies need the initial startup capital. after that, they don't get much more. People nowadays buy stocks in the expectation of selling them primarily to make money, not to get steady decent dividends from a company that makes money. That's why the market is so volatile and over valued right now. Even with the corrections after 99 and 2000 and 2001, it is still over valued to a tremendous degree, if you compare what current ask bid and ask prices are compared to what the company is actually worth. Like I said, do an extrapolation, theoretically freeze it right this second. Now how much of the total todays average exactly between bid and ask of all the stocks in existence could be "cashed out", really turned into cash without just running printing presses day and night? Personally I doubt it would come close to cracking medium single digits percentage wise, although I admit there's very little hard numbers that aare reliable to look at.
Stocks no longer primarily represent a companys worth, or even come close to what it might be actually worth even years from now, and it's because it's run as a shilled pyramid scheme. And people primarily buy stock hopong someone else will buy them from them, based on the principle the new buyer tends to think someone else will buy them from them even higher, ad absurdium.
It is irrational and illogical and doesn't come close to giving a true estimation of any economies real worth. You cannot make an economy grow merely buy selling and reselling and re-re-re-selling the same goods up and up and up,which is how the market is run now, economies only get better by producers actually producing new wealth, not be rearranging or by re selling old wealth over and over and over again. If that was possible, two people could sit in a room and sell each other the same widget or widget service back and forth all night, each step of the way adding ten percent say, and by morning be multi trillionaires. It obviously doesn't and can't work on a micro scale like that, so NO WAY will it ever work on a macro scale, with a maco scale merely being a huge amalgamation of miulions of micro scale examples. The advanced market shills and skimmers go to great lengths to maintain the illusion that it's possible, and it's this illusion, that plays on greed and the something for nothing attitude that induce into people that sucks in the new cash that is the only way all the non producers can keep taking profits.
It's just advanced magic beans or the cow. An old fairy tale meant to tell a lesson in basic reality. The illusion can last for a certain term, and the skimmers can surely get a lot of cows transferred to them for their magic beans, but in the end it crashes, they have to wait a bit to restart up the scam again. Really big ones take two generations for the huge crash, it takes that long for societal memory to evaporate and get replaced with the famous "irrational exuberance", which is just another way of saying "wow, these magic beans are worth so much more than my cow, I think I'll swap!".
...google has to deal with shipping and dockworker strikes and the price of oil (45$ and one major mideast wildcard incident away from 100$) and various other factors that tangible industries have to deal with, because when you get down to it, these places that directly are affected are the ones either buying ads on google or buying search technology from google. It's only one or two steps away in the vast majority of cases, which is pretty darn close. Two steps away are service industries who in turn are dependent on tangible industries which are the one step away part of the mix. Every single penny they make is dependent on the "other" econonmy, even investor money once they start selling shares. It's connected, there's no such thing as just an "ad" that isn't anything more than a reference to a tangible product or a reference to a service for a tangible product, if you follow the economic links around. And those tangible products now are v-e-r-y iffy, mostly because of grossly over inflated various international fiat currencies, and the threats of much more widespread war and what might happen to oil in general, which next to water is the most important commodity we have that fuels the world.
Where to put the money? Directly into real stuff that represent necessities, things that people just can-not do without. And warstuffs unfortunately, war is always a growth industry given human nature and greed and mass stupidity..
Simple math, it doesn't take a professional. You seemed to have forgottej to mention that your "winner" person Y had to have someone brand new enter new REAL cash into the market in order for Y to "cash out". That real cash did not come from the market as it stood a second before the cashout, it had to come from outside the market and be introduced into it for the cashout to take place (very broadly speaking but it's true). You forgot that in your details. It's pyramidal, real cash has to be constantly pumped in to it above and beyond the tangible accumulated wealth produced by the goods represented by the actual corporations Service money is a dilution of wealth in the aggregate, hence the name "service". Wealth is a function of ownership of the land, what can be grown or extracted in some manner or form from the land, or what can be manufactured from any combination of the last two. Everything else is a dilution and constitutes wealth production re-arrangement, not wealth production.. If the market wasn't pyramidal, theoretically you could freeze the market one day, at whatever bid price was current,and everyone could do this "cashout" thing, and that's not possible, is it? In fact it might be *at best* a few pennies on the buck in reality, isn't it, right now?
If what you said was true, the crash of 29-34 would have resulted in "all winners", there wouldn't have been a crash at all, we would have had a perpetual boom cycle. We didn't,did we?
Here's the proof. When I was a kid, you could literally go into the five and dime (a lot of people have never even seen such a store, I think they are rare now) and buy a nice bundle of real old great depression era stocks as a novelty for one dime, less than a penny apiece. Very pretty, all curleycue scrolled edges, very impressive looking. They probably represented quite a lot of lost money for a lot of investors. They actually did gamble and lose, millions of them, there were only a few big winners.
No, I won't repeat what you said,because it's not true, I'll say it's an elaborate ponzi scheme that only exists by inducing new suckers into it every friday afternoon. It's not much different from a huge MLM where you have to get people "under you" to actually support you so you don't have to actually produce any true wealth, with the difference being there are much less real products involved than most MLMs which are scussy enough as they are. Theoretical paper contracts as in the article are not much in the way of a real tangible product, they do nothing to help the over all economy, all they do is re-arrange what wealth exists, they produce *nothing*, and the only what it is possible is by shilling newsuckers into it all the time.
Originally how it was set up it was much closer to being a real "investment", with more at least semi honest quantifiable risk data to use for your assessment if you should invest or not. It is not that way now, or are you forgetting the recent dot bomb phenomenon?
It could be, I acknowledged that. I responded both ways, and none of it was nasty. This is slashdot, you kinda expect to get razzed or nailed, and subtle humor is that-subtle. I had to consider that as well. I certainly meant no offense back, and did say "thanks",it's right there to read, and I answered it truthfully. I was just covering both potential bases with one reply as best I could. I get both kinds of responses a lot, that's all, I certainly wasn't trying to be offensive with my reply, and guess I am not used to being asked for input.
the one myself and three friends saw wasn't really "far away" astronomy, it was two houses away floating over a roof. Scared and awed the snot out of us. I will never forget it. Literally had the sensation where all the hairs on your neck go up, only time that ever happened to me. I have yet to see anything we claim as a society to own or operate look or act like it did. I can't tell you what it was, but I know what it wasn't, namely all the normal explanations. It appeared as an often described thing, a rough glowing oval, approximately 30 or so feet wide, judging by it's size relative to the normal house roof, it was slightly smaller, about 1/4 that thick or a little more. It came down the block, hovered over this house for a minute,perhpas less than a minute, not very long, slowly went back down the block, then went up and *really* accelerated away, faster than any fighter jet I ever saw. It didn't poof out, just accelerated so fast it was gone in a second or so, but you could still see it briefly. No noise of note, not a sound, just a light similar to like when someone is welding, but not quite as bright, but bright enough. Right up there in the eerie category, but still awesome. Scared and at complete amazement and wonderment at the same time. Tell ya whut, it shut four teenagers up for quite awhile, we just stared at each other, then looked at the sky, then back to staring at each other. We didn't say much to each other until the next day really. There was nothing to say, one of those things you just experience. Best I can describe it, like getting stunned.
All I got to say is, if we had stuff like that in the early 60's, I want my skycar now, heh.
Just checked it out, reviews look good. I wish I could help you with the questions but I don't have any good answers. I don't know if you would want to give a bunch of kids root passwords though, seems like you'd get hosed pretty quickly.
...I've seen the references before on /. as a medium sarcasm "I would like to subscribe to your newsletter" etc, so let's say I am not baited. If I am posting too much...eh, so what? Maybe I'll tone it down. In my defense, I'm not around a lot of humans here where I live,my girlfriend and I got talked out years ago, heh, so I don't get to talk much, so I compensate with the web. If you are serious, thanks, but all I do now is post on a few forums,and I post more here than any place else, so what you see is what you get. If at some time I go back to writing more...what's a good word... "officially"... which I might.. I'll post the details of it in my journal, which is virgin so far, BTW.
--and how much do our scientists care about actually communicating with... I dunno, pick some little critter at random, I'm in the south, we'll say possums. If joe scientist wanted to study possums, he would try to stay as hidden as possible and just watch/observe/ take notes, etc. Some alien species could feel the same way if they are even marginally more advanced than we are. We might just be dumb critters to them. They might be fully aware of us, but really not give a care other than watching, and use a totally different way to communicate than what we use, along the lines of the article suggestions.
With that said, I think they already are here,as in *here*, to me the point is moot, and one of the main reasons I know the government is a big fat liar in public. In private,I have had too many guys who would be in a position to actually know what they are talking about, off the record of course, clue me in. If it was just one, I'd say "eh, no way, war stories like fish stories", but several now,quite startling really, and besides what I saw when I was a teenager. One of the main reasons I am so much an "honesty with government please" ranter. Not the only reason, but a main reason.
Now I know I'll get ranked by the trolls, but oh well, it's real.
--use your freebie journal here. Hosted on decent servers, guaranateed at least some sort of audience, and the price is right. Like the journal FAQ says -"what CAN'T you use it for?"
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no points but that's purty funnee! all *true facts*, too!
unless you are an illegal alien. They seem to be able to get away with quite a bit around where I live, especially with driving and registration and insurance and licenses, as in, if you are hispanic nothing much happens to you if you have violated any ot the laws, if you are a regular ole bubba or brother, you get the book thrown at you... wonder why that is... actually I don't wonder, but it still sucks....
What I think is another rip is you can't get driving insurance for YOU, you have to get it for each vehicle you own. I'm only driving one at a time, they ask in advance if anyone else is going to be driving it, so it seems like quite the rip off.
Anyway, I used to be an insurance guy for a short time, about a year, the jig is almost up with those guys, premiums barely cover commissions and office work, they make their money with increasingly uncertain stock market speculation and in mortgages. If joe fed hadn't printed up two trillion in funny bucks last year, the mortgage market would have already collapsed, Along with unfunded future promises to pay with pensions, 401ks, government paper, etc, it's the largest bubble out there primed to pop.
...already proven that big corporate interests will sue scads of individual small fry or semi small fry users. I don't think this would be any different if it came to umpteen billions of dollars in alleged "infringements", and as far as "laws" go, patent infringement is a scosh worse than copyright infringement.
Not saying it will happen, just saying it might. A few years ago, you hardly got anyone to even consider the possibility of individual file P2P sharers getting sued, it went against "common knowledge" and whatnot from what I remember reading by all the internet experts.
here is a google reference, first hit actually:
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http://membership.acs.org/P/PMSE/awards/creativ
The recipient of the 2004 ACS Creative Invention Award is Dr. Andrew J. Ouderkirk. Dr. Ouderkirk has received this award for his role as the principal inventor and project leader of the groundbreaking 3M(TM) Multilayer Optical Film (MOF) technology, a core technology within 3M's Light Management platform. The MOF technology uses birefringent polymers in the manufacture of reflective film polarizers and high efficiency mirrors. Dr. Ouderkirk now holds the title of 3M Corporate Scientist in the 3M Company. In addition, he recently became a member of 3M's prestigious Carlton Society in recognition of his pioneering work in the development of the optical film technology.
yada yada yada, more at URL
Looks like he is joe brain
... for the old ways of construction. 3 foot thick earth-type walls, low deep overhangs for shade. Maybe those old original settlers in the southwest weren't as backwards as we think, just because they didn't have cheap electricity.......
... and the best in your division. Why not just start your own company instead with your affected peer group? Walk away! You get to keep your brains, they don't. If your employer was able to pay you 6 figures average, that means they were making at least probably double that off of your labor. Screw em! They want a piece of paper instead of productivity, take your productivity to your own office and take all the cash, not some of it. The proof is in the product, not the degrees hanging on the wall.
And something the petit pompous bosses aren't bingoing to yet, even though it's staring at them. First they came for the blue collars who actually produced, and everyone else sneered and laughed at them, and told them to pull themselves up by the bootstraps. Now they are coming for the white collar actual producers, telling them-and you- to pull yourselves up by the bootstraps "or else". Next they-they being the billionaire globalists who could give a rats ass about anyone else except their profits are going to start eating the lower level managers and sales people, and those dudes STILL think they aren't replaceable with outsourcing overseas. Ha! Sure they aren't!
Get self employed if you want to STAY employed, no matter what field you are in. Better to be employed at 50 or less a year then unemployed at whatever you used to make. And there's no profit for your soul working for cretins like that, and it's something you can't put a dollar tag on.
it's TOTALLY legal to represent yourself in any court of law. You have to learn a bit of legal procedure, but it's doable and a lot easier than learning how to program or play the latest complex videogame. If you think you always have to use a 200$ an hour lawyer, you have defeated yourself in advance.
And yes, been there, done that, won both times, once against literally a flown in expert lawyer hired by a consortium of rich dudes. I won't go into specifics, I will say it was hard,scary at times, even to the point of getting death threats from people I know had already murdered people in an arson for profit scam, but I started from scratch, got some good free advice and ran with it and kicked boot-tay. The main thing is, you got to KNOW you are in the right, if you are, then it's just procedure, lining your ducks up, and going for it. It's doable, even moreso now that you can use the internet for research. Thousands of people out there are working their own cases now,websites exist for the purpose of helping, the monopoly guild just doesn't like it and would like to make it illegal, but so far it's still *legal* to do so.
SETI is a neat concept and it's logical. That means any alien species would have figured it out as well, and would first be listening for signals directed to *them* before they actively pick a target to transmit to, no matter the technique. Picking a target at random to direct some sort of advanced transmission -> to is pretty expensive and silly, you would want to know that the civilization is advanced enough to understand and to reply to your transmission. Seems like it anyway. It's a catch 22, who goes first?
It could be we have a host of semi advanced civilisations like ours, all sitting around in passive reception mode, waiting for someone to contact them.
I was wondering that. Interstellar dust and helium, etc, might tend to tear the sail up at very high velocities.
if you are the same Ac as the parent I wasz replying to, the point was made that yahoo wouldn't want to sue google because as they owned part of google they would be hurting themselves in a way. I replied only if they sit on the stocks, if they sell them, they wouldn't be hurting themselves.
A point/counterpoint, both valid near as I can see. I was replying that no one knows (publically yet) what they will do with them. The implied assumption in the parent was that they would retain them, I reject that, as it's conjecture and speculation, an assumption, it is not data. If the assumption turns out to be correct, then yes, it wouldn't be a smart business decsion. If the assumption is incorrect, it wouldn't be.
Hope that clarifies it, nothing to get upset over.
---only if they want to sit on their stocks. They could sell them, yes?
AAAAAH, thankyou, now it makes more sense to me. Way outside my expertise here, but I was interested in reading about it anyway, but got confused right off the bat. thanks again!
on the linked page, it says eCos is not related to linux. You flip a page to the "about eCos" page, it says it runs under linux or windows.
guess I'll just say "huh?" and move on......
... I don't troll, it's my honest opinion on those matters. And banks would become increasingly irrelevant once the scam of poof created money and fractional reserve was eliminated. They are part and parcel of the scam, allowed to loan that which they do not possess in actuality. Usury is one thing, but usury based on loaning which you don't even possess in total? That's a compound scam and serious "wrongness". On a small scale it's called buncoism, so I think the same term should be applied at those lofty levels, because it's the same exact thing-fraud.
My idea on money I posted here before, but here's a basic simplified nutshell gist of it.
First, be clear on the difference between money and wealth. Wealth is either the land itself, what can be grown from the land, extracted from the land, or manufactured from any combination of the last two, and that's it. Money is a portable representation of that wealth. Using "debt notes" like FRN's is a scam and should be eliminated, it's a horrid example of a money system, primarily designed to keep non workers in the central banking system forever as creditors and every one else in debt to them. It is in no way based on wealth, so, as such it doesn't even represent money, and they don't even claim it's money, it's technically a "note", although in common parlance it's still called money.
Money supply would be regulated by taking into account the top 100 commodities produced and traded in a nation any year. 100 is nice because it's a good enough and large enough representation of the diversity in business, it's the number we are all comfortable with, and it wouldn't result in any changes to accounting or day to day business. Yes, the base representations of which can be gold and silver,it's the LAW by the way that it should be, fed reserve act not withstanding, because they are universally recognized durable goods of worth and have been used for money for thousands of years in all socieites and cultures. Don't try to fix what never has been broken in other words. Our mint still makes them, no reason to abandon the concept, but they don't necessarily need to be used in day to day transactions, they should just be there for those that want them or as a way to do long term storage of portable wealth. How much a particular coin is worth can be adjusted once you set an official starting point standard, currently we call an oz of au 50$, of silver one dollar, etc. Then the supply number of the day to day commodities based currency is adjusted up-or down- based on if the nation actually grows real wealth, which it usually does to some degree anyway. The nation bases it's dollar that's used day to day on those top commodities. In other words, true wealth must be created before a digital representation can be applied against it, 180 degrees from what we have now which is highly inflationary and in no way rational. what are we now, trillions in alleged debt? That's nuts... Never would have happened if the only thing that could have been borrowed had to be tangibly there in the first place. You can't borrow what isn't there, so it would force governmental and societal rationality back into the general economy.
As business and society changes, the top commodites used can change with it,they don't have to be carved in stone, for example the sterotypical buggywhips can drop off the scale when they no longer make the top 100 cut of useful tangibles and something else replaces them, whatever it is.. We already tabulate and account for them, so the records are already in place to do this. The money supply is strictly regulated on the actual produced wealth that the nation has made the year before, so the supply can be adjusted *exactly* up to that point to add to the totality of -dollars/digits/units- in existence. No more having some private bank called the fed decide for us what the supply should be based on what their drinking buddies need that quarter. Honest pure business, not created debt. It will match precisely what is really there then, no less,
Good, glad to hear it! Anything that cuts out their obscene profits is OK by me, even if it's only 1/2 cut out. They don't deserve it, don't work much for it, and the system is thoroughly corrupt anyway. Insider trading is the norm, it's not the exception, they just keep getting better at developing ways to obfuscate how they pull it off.
Wall street NEEDS massive reform. People should be able to buy shares direct, with NO COMMISSIONS. We don't NEED middlemen skimmers and manipulators and shills for "stock". And the next step is a mandated lawful minimum transfer time period of at least one year, to stop gambling and day trading speculation, help eliminate boom and bust cycles and "irrational euberance". Make the stock "market" turn back into investing like it's supposed to be and not poker chip trading based on ridiculous voodoo wave theories and astrology and "nightly business reports" corporate brokerage shilling.
And then, HONEST MONEY based on actual quantifiable tangible assets, not poof created "credit". SCREW the central banks, buncha outright scumbag thieves. No one "owes" them any "debt". They have nothing to actually loan except digits they create out of thin air on computers.. It's a congame, always been a congame, always will be a congame. They aren't respectable businessmen, they are pirates, hijackers of peoples wealth and productivity, crooks. As far as I am concerned they should be charged with capital T treason.
Sunoco is getting into the solar hot water business with carwashes I was reading as well.
On another note, Saudi Arabia is serious about getting into solar power in general, although from the looks of this article, they seem to be liking the solar -> hydrogen idea better, although all aspects of solar are represented there.
I really like mine, only regret is not doing it sooner. For what people pay for a game machine or a modest home theater rig that just *uses* power you can get a nice starter size solar rig. I think more geeks should get into it and support the industry, it's also practical in the sense you can have a nifty practical "big" ups sysyem with clean juice, and by clean I mean nice wave form and stable voltage. I live rural, the grid power goes out or goes brown quite a bit here, having at least *some* of my power needs covered is a nice bit of practicality. Even with an extended outtage I can still have some to use. The last place I lived (I do caretaking, work for rich folks) was all solar, those folks had quite an impressive rig. We even made the distilled water for the batteries from a solar distiller box.