The PS3 launched at $500, if I recall accurately, and may have drifted down a little after that, so the price depends on exactly when they were buying; but that is a decent ballpark figure.
$500 for the 20GB model, $600 for the 60GB model.
As I recall, the 20GB model also was missing card readers and 802.11b/g networking.
What, the USAF was the only buyer of PS3s, and now suddenly that they can't use them, nobody wants them... the market will be flooded with $0.10 used PS3s nobody can actually use for anything useful.
At the current point in time, used 60GB PS3s sell for around the same price as a new 120GB PS3. This is because Sony has removed features from hardware over time, not just removed features from the software. Mostly notably, PS2 support was removed from hardware.
Besides which, if you don't use your machine to play games, you'll never get prompted to update it, thus it doesn't become useless just because said support was removed in an update.
Buy a PS3 for clustering? Have your PAID FOR CLUSTER disabled, unrepairable, and suddenly worth its weight in crap as soon as the machines start to die off.
It's funny that the Air Force didn't raise a fuss when the PS3 Slim was announced... without support for the very feature Sony later pulled from its older consoles.
So, to clarify this: No new PS3s sold in North America in the last 8 months had this feature in the first place.
Valve only allows this for specific games and 4-packs. This is mentioned right in their FAQ.
So I said "Steam sucks in this way" and your response is "yeah, but Valve says they suck in this way so it's okay"?
This was well publicized around the time that Orange Box came out. In other words, you should have known well in advance that they wouldn't do it, so I don't know what you're complaining about.
Valve hasn't said whether HL1 (or GoldSrc) games will be brought over, only that Source games will be.
Having said that, what's wrong with Counter-Strike: Source? I hear Valve is making some changes to it this month, which is currently in Beta-testing. Not bad considering that the Source port is something like 6 years old.
Except... as has already been found out by myself and others, they didn't write it with unix in mind. It requires a case insensitive filesystem
That's strange, as the server versions work fine on a case sensitive filesystem.
and write access to the steam application by normal users.
One of the things the Windows version does is change permissions for the Steam directory during installation so that any user can write to it. While not the perfect solution, I'm surprised the Mac version doesn't do this.
I have two Portal licenses and couldn't give one away to someone I wanted to have it
Valve only allows this for specific games and 4-packs. This is mentioned right in their FAQ. As I recall, this limits the products to: Half-Life 2 Half-Life 2: Episode 1 Left 4 Dead 4-pack* Left 4 Dead 2 4-pack* Borderlands 4-pack*
*Only applies to 3 of the 4, the fourth you're stuck with. ** It's mentioned elsewhere in this thread that Portal is free right now anyway.
Is that any different than saying "Halo 2 uses the same Xbox Live servers that Halo 3 / Halo Reach does"?
Halo 2 and Halo 3 were designed for different hardware, operating systems, and networks. Halo 2 was still playable using the Xbox 360, but it emulated the older Xbox Live system, and the servers for said older Xbox Live system have now been shut down.
On the other hand, WarCraft 2: Battle.Net Edition is WarCraft 2 ported to the StarCraft engine, right down to the control changes made in StarCraft (although these are disabled if you choose to play a legacy LAN game which WarCraft 2 classic clients can join).
Well, I saw farther up that Portal is free right now, so why not give it a try?
Granted, anything with a newer version of the engine might have problems (Left 4 Dead, Left 4 Dead 2, and to a certain extent Team Fortress 2 (changes were backported from L4D).
Is will you get access to the Linux binaries if you already have the Win32 version?
Even a discount would be nice I guess.
<sarcasm>No, they're going to let people who buy the Windows version have the Mac version for free, but not the Linux version (if they really do make one).</sarcasm>
Games such as warcraft 2, more than 15 years old, still have a cheat-free, fast and free multiplayer system.
This is actually misleading; you need to have bought the Battle.NET re-release to be able to play it online still, without using some third-party system like Kali.
The battle.net edition of WC2 was still a minor re-release of a Very Old Game, so I think the OP's point stands.
No it doesn't. His point was that a 15 year-old game still has a working online system... and it doesn't. You had to purchase a new version of the game, released 4 years after the original (11 years ago) to get Internet play.
More importantly, there were other games released between these two that added Internet play. Granted, some of these use dedicated servers run by the users (QuakeWorld, Half-Life), but as far as I know, these still have their master servers running... I know for a fact Half-Life: Deathmatch does, as WON, the network it used, was purchased outright by Valve and replaced by the Steam master servers in 2004.
I take it they never released an "enable battle.net play" patch for the original WC2? I supposed the original WC2 was before the time of cd-keys, which may have prevented the corporate overlords from accepting the risk of allowing "pirates" to use the online service?
That's not the only reason. The Battle.NET edition also moved the PC version of the game to Windows/DirectX, as Warcraft 2 classic for PCs was DOS only. Strangely, you can still play against Warcraft 2 classic on LAN games, where the original appears as version 1.0-1.5 (depending on the patch) and the Bettle.NET edition appears as version 2.0-2.02 (depending on the patch).
If you think that's crazy, Counter-Strike: Source currently has a new update in Beta... to upgrade it to the Orange Box (Team Fortress 2) engine, as well as incorporate some other miscellaneous changes from their newer games (updated Scoreboard, etc...).
Unfortunately, going by the server mailing list, CS:S will no longer work on machines without SSE2 support. This includes server machines.
That's why no serious PC gamer seriously considers MW2 for purchase.
I considered purchasing it.
But then I realized I want to play using a keyboard and mouse, and I don't know if the PS3 version supports them.
...what, you didn't think I was talking about buying the PC version did you? While I am a PC gamer (I clock between 10-20 hours in Team Fortress 2 a week), I certainly wouldn't buy the PC version of MW2.
Games such as warcraft 2, more than 15 years old, still have a cheat-free, fast and free multiplayer system.
This is actually misleading; you need to have bought the Battle.NET re-release to be able to play it online still, without using some third-party system like Kali.
The Battle.NET edition wasn't released until 1999.
The only company which is in the gaming industry, not the moneymaking industry:)
They're not the only one. Valve still supports the master servers for every game they've ever released that has multiplayer support. Even better, you can activate keys for their pre-2003 games on Steam (which launched in 2003) and get automatic updates for it, too.
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If Sony is impaled that far up his ass, why doesn't he have a Sony Vaoi laptop?
Or is this just Story Time?
$500 for the 20GB model, $600 for the 60GB model.
As I recall, the 20GB model also was missing card readers and 802.11b/g networking.
At the current point in time, used 60GB PS3s sell for around the same price as a new 120GB PS3. This is because Sony has removed features from hardware over time, not just removed features from the software. Mostly notably, PS2 support was removed from hardware.
Besides which, if you don't use your machine to play games, you'll never get prompted to update it, thus it doesn't become useless just because said support was removed in an update.
It's funny that the Air Force didn't raise a fuss when the PS3 Slim was announced... without support for the very feature Sony later pulled from its older consoles.
So, to clarify this: No new PS3s sold in North America in the last 8 months had this feature in the first place.
Er... you are aware that I posted a real command that works on the dedicated server installer/updater?
The dedicated server steam client doesn't use single character switches, only named switches in the form steam -command [parameters] [flags]
Well, -command can be moved around, but it disagrees with its own documentation by doing so.
This was well publicized around the time that Orange Box came out. In other words, you should have known well in advance that they wouldn't do it, so I don't know what you're complaining about.
Valve hasn't said whether HL1 (or GoldSrc) games will be brought over, only that Source games will be.
Having said that, what's wrong with Counter-Strike: Source? I hear Valve is making some changes to it this month, which is currently in Beta-testing. Not bad considering that the Source port is something like 6 years old.
Yes it does. Specifically, WineD3D emulates Direct3D, translating those calls to OpenGL calls.
That's strange, as the server versions work fine on a case sensitive filesystem.
One of the things the Windows version does is change permissions for the Steam directory during installation so that any user can write to it. While not the perfect solution, I'm surprised the Mac version doesn't do this.
Valve only allows this for specific games and 4-packs. This is mentioned right in their FAQ. As I recall, this limits the products to:
Half-Life 2
Half-Life 2: Episode 1
Left 4 Dead 4-pack*
Left 4 Dead 2 4-pack*
Borderlands 4-pack*
*Only applies to 3 of the 4, the fourth you're stuck with.
** It's mentioned elsewhere in this thread that Portal is free right now anyway.
Halo 2 and Halo 3 were designed for different hardware, operating systems, and networks. Halo 2 was still playable using the Xbox 360, but it emulated the older Xbox Live system, and the servers for said older Xbox Live system have now been shut down.
On the other hand, WarCraft 2: Battle.Net Edition is WarCraft 2 ported to the StarCraft engine, right down to the control changes made in StarCraft (although these are disabled if you choose to play a legacy LAN game which WarCraft 2 classic clients can join).
You sure that isn't just WINE emulating Windows Vista/7?
No wait, that's the StarCraft main menu that's messed up in Vista/7 and you can't connect to Battle.NET at all without running SC as Administrator.
Well, I saw farther up that Portal is free right now, so why not give it a try?
Granted, anything with a newer version of the engine might have problems (Left 4 Dead, Left 4 Dead 2, and to a certain extent Team Fortress 2 (changes were backported from L4D).
<sarcasm>No, they're going to let people who buy the Windows version have the Mac version for free, but not the Linux version (if they really do make one).</sarcasm>
Steam requires users to enter something into the console?
Do you think this is the Linux versions or something?
*waits for Team Fortress 2 to install/update*
Not really, it uses the same BNet servers that StarCraft does, which apparently still has a huge following.
I'll have to check this link on my computer at home (steampowered.com is blocked where I work).
No it doesn't. His point was that a 15 year-old game still has a working online system... and it doesn't. You had to purchase a new version of the game, released 4 years after the original (11 years ago) to get Internet play.
More importantly, there were other games released between these two that added Internet play. Granted, some of these use dedicated servers run by the users (QuakeWorld, Half-Life), but as far as I know, these still have their master servers running... I know for a fact Half-Life: Deathmatch does, as WON, the network it used, was purchased outright by Valve and replaced by the Steam master servers in 2004.
That's not the only reason. The Battle.NET edition also moved the PC version of the game to Windows/DirectX, as Warcraft 2 classic for PCs was DOS only. Strangely, you can still play against Warcraft 2 classic on LAN games, where the original appears as version 1.0-1.5 (depending on the patch) and the Bettle.NET edition appears as version 2.0-2.02 (depending on the patch).
If you think that's crazy, Counter-Strike: Source currently has a new update in Beta... to upgrade it to the Orange Box (Team Fortress 2) engine, as well as incorporate some other miscellaneous changes from their newer games (updated Scoreboard, etc...).
Unfortunately, going by the server mailing list, CS:S will no longer work on machines without SSE2 support. This includes server machines.
So are Steam and the PlayStation Network (PSN), but oddly enough, those are free to the end user.
I considered purchasing it.
But then I realized I want to play using a keyboard and mouse, and I don't know if the PS3 version supports them.
...what, you didn't think I was talking about buying the PC version did you? While I am a PC gamer (I clock between 10-20 hours in Team Fortress 2 a week), I certainly wouldn't buy the PC version of MW2.
This is actually misleading; you need to have bought the Battle.NET re-release to be able to play it online still, without using some third-party system like Kali.
The Battle.NET edition wasn't released until 1999.
They're not the only one. Valve still supports the master servers for every game they've ever released that has multiplayer support. Even better, you can activate keys for their pre-2003 games on Steam (which launched in 2003) and get automatic updates for it, too.
Having used Opera 10.53, I can see why "the user interface totally sucks" would make you think of Opera.
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