Because with OSS you release early and often. That way people get to test and find bugs. So now you probably'll say that everybody could see that KDE4.0 was buggy. Sure, but there's a difference between knowing it's buggy, and getting bug reports and identifying the most serious problems (called bug triaging). So why did the KDE4 devs call it 4.0? Because the software was mostly feature complete, as in: most of the underlying functionality was there (of course much of the software didn't use it, yet some did). Aaron Seigo did warn that the software "ate your children", however.
But let's forget all that, why are you comparing the products and conduct of a 73 billion dollars worth company and a rag-tag group of open source developers? That just doesn't make any sense, unless you like to keep-and-keep blaming the KDE developers.
I totaly understood your point, but if you'd read the article _you_ would have understood my reply to your point. It is true that running one application from one DE is uneconomic memorywise. However, if you i.e. like to run konqueror it is smart to also use the kate editor and kwallet (for your pasword management). That way KDE3.5 turns out to be really memory efficient (compared to other DE's). The article also nicely shows why running firefox will have _big_ impact on memory use if you also like to run KDE. It should be noted that this was firefox2 and 3 is much better, but also KDE4 is||will-be doing this better than 3.5 did.
From my perspective, running the whole thing makes that I _don't_ have to wait for all those things to load. Because there already loaded. Your desktop probably is faster to initialize but I really don't care about a lightning fast starting desktop, I want a complete desktop with all the bells and whistles.
"The mantra seems to be that it will all come together in KDE 5."
I think you totally made this up. Or else you really shouldn't be reading other peoples jokes.
"Because that's not what a.0 release is."
Uhm, it is what the developers say it is. Besides all that: Microsoft said Vista is ready, the KDE developers said KDE4.0 isn't ready for daily use. Next time, take a clue there.
I'm all for wired, but also really appreciate using wireless for my notebook. And I would like to use this notebook everywhere in my house and garden. So I'm interested in some answers here.
Of course, now we're talking of all kinds of different forms of adaptation: social, behaverial, evolutionairy, and genetic change. To point out some of the difficulties, instinct is not-learned behaviour so it's genetically fixed and mostly beneficiary to the species (but not always as evolution is supposed to do). In other words: don't ask me, I only post here.
I do know one thing, every species adapts all the time. So no, the first historical record of an adaptation won't describe the first adaptation.
On a side note: wouldn't a perfect human be a the perfect prick and bore?;)
"and it hasn't been proven... because nobody can study it for that long."
Sigh. The smaller the animal the faster the evolution (in general).
ID advocates claim they have certain proofs of their belief just like evolutionists do.
I don't know "certain" proofs for ID, and I think your and ID advocates claims are bollocks.
Sure. The thing is however: can humans (as a species) grow more hair without mutation? Another thing is, if humans started to wear more clothing, it would certainly NOT be a mutation (are you kidding me???). Btw, my example is not an example but a fact. Your example is, well, let's call it inventive but not to the point. Did you read it before posting?
Well, it certainly turns out that victims of abuse are _much_ more likely to be abusers later on themselves. In fact, I read some weeks ago that 80 percent of abusers were victims one time (and the other 20 percent still deny it?). Makes you realize the damage now and in the future these people do, it also makes you realize that most of the perps are victims themselves. And no, heterosexual do _not_ turn into pederastic homosexuals somehow, I find that more than pretty unlikely.
The medical world sees beneficial mutations all_the_time, think resistance in bacteria and such. And those can easily happen within years (and for all I know much faster). So that's A, B and C, and you are wrong.
"evolution can't be proven as it takes millions of years" You insult my intellect, it can be proven, and also on such a long timescale, it just takes a l-o-n-g time.
Yes, and it is cool to say it's cool to hate *whatever your thing is*. But it doesn't make it true (and you speak of facts). Actually, I think it's cool to hate many of the bigger organized religions, but normally I really don't bother other people with it. And I cannot think off many other people that do.
"Nobody "forced" them to do anything."
Don't you really understand just how extreme celibacy is? Every sperm is sacred, remember?
It is not an "interesting perspective" at all, in fact it has been the standard reason given for this kind of behaviour of priests. And, no, I've not missed the priests scandal at all. These stories are decades old, at least in western Europe. And seriously, do you really think that homosexual pedophiles would study the bible for years to get in contact with children?
"What it will do is encourage the companies to not force bundled software."
Ah. Customers can choose you mean to say.
"they'll make a point of selling bare-bones PC's"
Why would they do so if that's obviously bad service to a lot of customers? Installing linux is a cheap alternative for a bare-bones PC. Of course, I would choose the bare-bones to install my own. Or I'd buy the linux-installed to have a good look at an installed system. Choice, you know.
"Happy to concede that they weren't taken over in WWII, nevertheless Paris was occupied and a country is much like a castle, you take the flag (capital city) and you've taken the castle."
Wow, now you got it even _more_ wrong. You sure it's only 9 generations?
"Maybe the joke about them always surrendering comes from the armistice treaty they signed in 1940."
Here my head exploded. How does "always" combine with that _one_ treaty? Besides, (many) more than one country signed armistice treaties during and after WWII.
Oh, and Americans are not a race, nor are Australians.
Yes, that story was reported someplaces. However the attacks took weeks, so the Kremlin had ample opportunity to act. Which it didn't. We heard this single person theory after the attacks. I'd say this whole things reeks of the Russian federal security service FSB, and is typical of the bully Putin.
In fact, you and the GP speak of different snobs, his snobs are demeaning to Ubuntu users, and your snobs are demeaning to Windows and Mac users. But forget that.
You do have me wondering what sort of things 'elitist Linux snobs' say ("I compile my own kernel so I'm better than everyone" sounds way too lame). And keep in mind, some linux elitists have been running linux since when it sucked balls, and that isn't that long ago.
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Because with OSS you release early and often. That way people get to test and find bugs. So now you probably'll say that everybody could see that KDE4.0 was buggy. Sure, but there's a difference between knowing it's buggy, and getting bug reports and identifying the most serious problems (called bug triaging). So why did the KDE4 devs call it 4.0? Because the software was mostly feature complete, as in: most of the underlying functionality was there (of course much of the software didn't use it, yet some did). Aaron Seigo did warn that the software "ate your children", however.
But let's forget all that, why are you comparing the products and conduct of a 73 billion dollars worth company and a rag-tag group of open source developers? That just doesn't make any sense, unless you like to keep-and-keep blaming the KDE developers.
I totaly understood your point, but if you'd read the article _you_ would have understood my reply to your point. It is true that running one application from one DE is uneconomic memorywise. However, if you i.e. like to run konqueror it is smart to also use the kate editor and kwallet (for your pasword management). That way KDE3.5 turns out to be really memory efficient (compared to other DE's). The article also nicely shows why running firefox will have _big_ impact on memory use if you also like to run KDE. It should be noted that this was firefox2 and 3 is much better, but also KDE4 is||will-be doing this better than 3.5 did.
"KDE is a bloated environment, which is why although there are nice KDE apps out there, I will never run them in my gnome or windowmaker environments. No thanks."
One hears this often here. Here's someone who decided to test this common Slashdot wisdom: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-linux-memory.html?ca=dgr-lnxw07LinuxMemory
From my perspective, running the whole thing makes that I _don't_ have to wait for all those things to load. Because there already loaded. Your desktop probably is faster to initialize but I really don't care about a lightning fast starting desktop, I want a complete desktop with all the bells and whistles.
"He just plain gets it"
Sorry no, you're projecting.
"The mantra seems to be that it will all come together in KDE 5." I think you totally made this up. Or else you really shouldn't be reading other peoples jokes.
"Bullshit. My time is not free."
So who's paying you to be trolling about KDE a frigging year after it came out?
"Because that's not what a .0 release is."
Uhm, it is what the developers say it is. Besides all that: Microsoft said Vista is ready, the KDE developers said KDE4.0 isn't ready for daily use. Next time, take a clue there.
I'm all for wired, but also really appreciate using wireless for my notebook. And I would like to use this notebook everywhere in my house and garden. So I'm interested in some answers here.
Ah, ok :)
;)
Of course, now we're talking of all kinds of different forms of adaptation: social, behaverial, evolutionairy, and genetic change. To point out some of the difficulties, instinct is not-learned behaviour so it's genetically fixed and mostly beneficiary to the species (but not always as evolution is supposed to do). In other words: don't ask me, I only post here.
I do know one thing, every species adapts all the time. So no, the first historical record of an adaptation won't describe the first adaptation.
On a side note: wouldn't a perfect human be a the perfect prick and bore?
"the Gnome team ... ... hopefully will avoid the problems that plagued KDE 4.0's release."
/.ers could stop obsessing over release dates and numbers, that would be good as well.
Let's hope so, and if
"and it hasn't been proven... because nobody can study it for that long."
Sigh. The smaller the animal the faster the evolution (in general).
ID advocates claim they have certain proofs of their belief just like evolutionists do.
I don't know "certain" proofs for ID, and I think your and ID advocates claims are bollocks.
Sure. The thing is however: can humans (as a species) grow more hair without mutation? Another thing is, if humans started to wear more clothing, it would certainly NOT be a mutation (are you kidding me???). Btw, my example is not an example but a fact. Your example is, well, let's call it inventive but not to the point. Did you read it before posting?
Well, it certainly turns out that victims of abuse are _much_ more likely to be abusers later on themselves. In fact, I read some weeks ago that 80 percent of abusers were victims one time (and the other 20 percent still deny it?). Makes you realize the damage now and in the future these people do, it also makes you realize that most of the perps are victims themselves. And no, heterosexual do _not_ turn into pederastic homosexuals somehow, I find that more than pretty unlikely.
The medical world sees beneficial mutations all_the_time, think resistance in bacteria and such. And those can easily happen within years (and for all I know much faster). So that's A, B and C, and you are wrong.
"evolution can't be proven as it takes millions of years" You insult my intellect, it can be proven, and also on such a long timescale, it just takes a l-o-n-g time.
Yes, and it is cool to say it's cool to hate *whatever your thing is*. But it doesn't make it true (and you speak of facts).
Actually, I think it's cool to hate many of the bigger organized religions, but normally I really don't bother other people with it. And I cannot think off many other people that do.
"Nobody "forced" them to do anything."
Don't you really understand just how extreme celibacy is? Every sperm is sacred, remember?
It is not an "interesting perspective" at all, in fact it has been the standard reason given for this kind of behaviour of priests. And, no, I've not missed the priests scandal at all. These stories are decades old, at least in western Europe. And seriously, do you really think that homosexual pedophiles would study the bible for years to get in contact with children?
Yes, that is the willfully ignorant option.
"What it will do is encourage the companies to not force bundled software."
Ah. Customers can choose you mean to say.
"they'll make a point of selling bare-bones PC's"
Why would they do so if that's obviously bad service to a lot of customers? Installing linux is a cheap alternative for a bare-bones PC. Of course, I would choose the bare-bones to install my own. Or I'd buy the linux-installed to have a good look at an installed system. Choice, you know.
"or they'll start honoring refund requests"
Because they just love the hassle?
"Happy to concede that they weren't taken over in WWII, nevertheless Paris was occupied and a country is much like a castle, you take the flag (capital city) and you've taken the castle."
Wow, now you got it even _more_ wrong. You sure it's only 9 generations?
"Maybe the joke about them always surrendering comes from the armistice treaty they signed in 1940."
Here my head exploded. How does "always" combine with that _one_ treaty? Besides, (many) more than one country signed armistice treaties during and after WWII.
Oh, and Americans are not a race, nor are Australians.
Yes, that story was reported someplaces. However the attacks took weeks, so the Kremlin had ample opportunity to act. Which it didn't. We heard this single person theory after the attacks. I'd say this whole things reeks of the Russian federal security service FSB, and is typical of the bully Putin.
I like it, just make sure you call it an "enhanced provider experience".
Somehow, you leave the impressions that Metallica's members are not highly intelligent.
I saw the Metallica documentary again, some time ago, and somehow these men have not really progressed since age 17. And when they're together...
In fact, you and the GP speak of different snobs, his snobs are demeaning to Ubuntu users, and your snobs are demeaning to Windows and Mac users. But forget that.
You do have me wondering what sort of things 'elitist Linux snobs' say ("I compile my own kernel so I'm better than everyone" sounds way too lame). And keep in mind, some linux elitists have been running linux since when it sucked balls, and that isn't that long ago.
"I've seen many comments saying Ubuntu users don't deserve to use Linux because they aren't any better than Windows users."
/. in about every thread you'll find a few trolls that try to spoil stuff for others, I'm sure you also ignore these.
Oh, really? Weird opinion, *nobody* deserves Windows.
"Some people actually hate Ubuntu and Ubuntu users for spoiling their elitism."
And _other_ people make websites on chihuahua breeding, but it is a *big* internet, and I don't let it get to me. Try it.
But seriously, on