Love to see you get your prostate checked with your pants on. Also love to know how you get a skin cancer screening without getting completely disrobed.
Uhm, no. A tiny bit of the country is covered by CCTV, far less than the blanket coverage in American cities.
You are pretty much famous for Monty Python, Winston Churchill, cars with strange electrical systems, and security cameras.
Airplanes do not attract more than their fair share of terrorism
How did you arrive at that conclusion? Compared to what? I'd wager the list of subway/train attacks is far shorter - especially in the West. Can you honestly come up with a larger list than the one I provided? You'd have to list market attacks in countries with a civil war or something like that.
Abortion clinics: terrorism, maybe assassination. The only ones living in any kind of fear are the abortion doctors... perhaps in that small subset of the population there is less emphasis on other forms of terrorism? But surely you don't find it mysterious that the general population pays little attention.
Churches: I presume you mean the black churches that get burnt down when no one is inside them? Or do you mean the longer legacy of horrendous crimes committed in the name of white supremacy? Either way, I think that you'll find that these actions carry a lot more weight in the sub-section of the population that is affected by it.
Military rampage in Texas: Arguably, it was an act of war rather than terrorism.
No, not all terrorism is airplane related or al-queda and crew - but a large chunk of the population flies, it makes big dramatic fires for the media, and these terrorists seem drawn to aircraft like moths to a porch light.
Presumably, he meant only impersonate one long enough to pass security. I'd assume the flight crew would notice the wrong guy is claiming to be the pilot.
So yeah, give them a gun, let them fly the plane, but don't count on the potentially dumbass TSA guard to "know" he's a pilot.
It is literally an order of magnitude slower than standard screening. You have to stand still with your arms raised for at least 15 second after they start the scan.
Is it slower than what the Israelis do? Because they are the only ones to successfully thwart a hijacking and their 45 minute interview wouldn't "fly" here in the US.
Nobody has proved that an undergarment bomb can be effective at bringing down an airliner.
No one has conducted such a test. The BBC conducted a test using a different plane that was sitting on the ground. Sure, the "Christmas" bomber was only at 10,000 feet when he tried, but airlines routinely go as high as 40k+ feet. I believe Richard Reid attempted at altitude.
Besides what stops an up the ass or breast implant based device?
Nothing currently. I'd say that we should probably plan for such an eventuality, but not implement something until a need is shown (hopefully intelligence or a botched attempt and not an exploded airliner).
I've been through security in Israel. It takes 45-minutes or so, and requires multiple interviews with scary people who ask sometimes extremely personal questions, including about your race and ethnicity.
I just don't see this working out in the US, and if full-body scanners are effective it would really speed things up.
If they aren't shown to be effective, then I'd be up for supporting a more Israeli-style system. I'd bet the politically-correct crowd would render it ineffective, though.
Have you traveled in Israel? The security procedure works perfectly (so far), but it requires at least 45 minutes more than the US system and would cost a lot more. The questions are also extremely probing and personal.
If you can't handle the thought of someone seeing you nude, then I'd fully support having the option of an Israeli-style interrogation. I have a feeling you'll feel a lot more "invaded" after the interrogation than the body scan, though. You'll forget the body scan in a few minutes, but you'll never forget your travel through Israel.
If you have to strip naked when you go to the doctor, there's something wrong and you should get another doctor.
No, there is something wrong with your doctor if they are not screening you properly for skin cancer or checking your prostate or giving you a mammogram or screening you for cervical cancer. This is negating that nearly half of the population eventually gives birth, which is sort of a nudity-high process.
Nudity is fine. Just don't let the screeners see the actual passenger or have a way to store and share the images. Even then, anyone getting their jollys from images like this hasn't heard of the internet.
It's not as if it is hard to find out who leaked an image.
We didn't find it necessary to strip-search everyone who went into a hotel, or onto a train.
No, no - you just put 90% of your country on closed-circuit TV!
Besides calling me a coward, what did you add to the discussion?
You could start by visiting this list of notable aircraft hijackings and trying to construct a similar list with any other target type. Sure we've had non-airplane terrorist incidents - public transit systems are certainly a target - but airplanes are for whatever a more attractive target.
Probably because it embarrasses the government more, makes for a more spectacular image, generates more press coverage, and tends to hit more affluent people - but I'm just speculating. The point is not really "why" anyway - the point is to properly allocate your security resources.
Um, yeah, that happens, like, every day in Israel, the greater Middle East, Pakistan and Afghanistan?
I know there is an international audience here, but I live in the US and this is a US site. We don't have things like that happening here (yet?). We have people blowing up big federal buildings, skyscrapers, and airplanes. Leaving bombs in Times Square is not exactly low-profile. In fact, I can't think of a more famous intersection in the entire US. They don't go for low-profile targets in the US - or at least they haven't yet.
But I'm glad you brought up Israel. Israel is perhaps the only country more despised in the Arab world than the US, and yet Israel has never had anyone blow up an airplane. Have you ever been through Israeli airport screening? There is a very good reason for it, and it has (so far) worked flawlessly.
We shouldn't shape our security policy based on people who have some kind of mental issues, even if it is because they have been the victim of a terrible crime. When people are putting bombs in their underwear, you need thorough security.
It's not as if you need an airplane to live your life. I met a guy who only traveled once out of his 10 block radius in Harlem (not that I'm endorsing such a lifestyle).:)
Please provide a list of all terrorists caught by TSA to date. Thanks.
There have been several people who boarded planes with live bombs who were NOT caught. To most people, this would seem to mean the TSA needs to be MORE thorough, not less.
Everyone can (and should) agree that this is a gross violation of privacy and should not be tolerated.
It's only a "gross violation" if you are forced to do it. There is an opt-out.
Maybe I'm just shamelessly immodest, but I support these scanners if they can be shown to speed up the process of checking in. People need to get over being seen naked - do they avoid the doctor's office as well?
"Virtually groped?" That's insane. Have a separate line for the insane people. That covers the "expanding the power of the state" crew, too.
We live in a world where airplanes attract way more than their fair share of terrorism - we need to accept that fact. We can't pretend that people won't try to bomb airplanes, even if there are much easier ways to kill people. Terrorists don't go after low-hanging fruit... they go after the spectacular. Otherwise they'd be bombing suburban bus and train routes, malls, and other places which are almost impossible to police. A plane is an exceptionally hard target in comparison, and yet they persist.
I'd actually expect both. You get these name-callers on both sides, but you also get reasoned arguments against copyright here on Slashdot.
The problem is that the discussion gets framed as either "people who want stuff for free" or "giant evil corporations". Which is of course absurd - EVERYONE wants stuff for free, including the IP creators, and "giant evil corporations" are not the only stakeholders in IP law.
If we could argue over what IP actually is and should be, it would be a much more interesting and productive discussion.
Fortunately, we have a trade agreement with Europe that gives us good cheese:)
American grocery store cheese is almost not worth eating, Whole Foods being (sometimes) the exception. No co-incidence that they are the largest purveyor of cheese in the US. I get my cheese in a small cheese shop on the edge of the city, an sometimes there's even a good American-made cheese in the mix.
Exactly! Keep the "alphabet" small, but the possible combination of "words" infinite.
You don't need a glyph for "=>" for instance. Anyone who knows what = and > mean individually can discern the meaning.
And further (I know, why RTFA?):
But programs are still decisively vertical, to the point of being horizontally challenged. Why can't we pull minor scopes and subroutines out in that right-hand space and thus make them supportive to the understanding of the main body of code?
This is easily done with a split screen, and sounds like an editor feature to me. Not sure why you'd want a programming language that was tied to monitor size and aspect ratio.
Why not make color part of the syntax? Why not tell the compiler about protected code regions by putting them on a framed light gray background? Or provide hints about likely and unlikely code paths with a green or red background tint?
Again, if you want this, do it in the editor. Doesn't he know anyone who is colorblind? And even a normally sighted user can only differentiate so many color choices, which would limit the language. And forget looking up things on Google: "Meaning of green highlighted code"... no wait "Meaning of hunter-green highlighted code" hmmmm... "Meaning of light-green highlighted code"... you get the idea.
If it was a story on the introduction of a new color, I'd agree with you. But this is interesting to those of us who develop products because of the tech issues involved.
But it's all mixed up now, thanks to conservatives rejecting both progressivism and liberalism and thus them being shoehorned into one party for decades.
Both parties are so... weird... right now that I don't even know how to approach it. The "tea party" folks almost sound like a wing of the Libertarian party, but chances are they would drop their distaste in "big government" in a heartbeat if you brought up any of the traditional conservative sore points: religion, abortion, drugs, etc. Big government is just fine if it is keeping the drugs out!
The Dems are even weirder. So fractured, they can't even get stuff done with a super-majority in congress and the Whitehouse. They've always had trouble being the "big-tent" party, but they've gotten so many special interests in their tent that they can't actually say or do anything. You can't even apply the word liberal to them anymore, since they seem almost devoid of ideology.
In any event, it is clear that all both parties want is to be in power - everything else is secondary.
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None of which require you to strip naked.
Love to see you get your prostate checked with your pants on. Also love to know how you get a skin cancer screening without getting completely disrobed.
Uhm, no. A tiny bit of the country is covered by CCTV, far less than the blanket coverage in American cities.
You are pretty much famous for Monty Python, Winston Churchill, cars with strange electrical systems, and security cameras.
Airplanes do not attract more than their fair share of terrorism
How did you arrive at that conclusion? Compared to what? I'd wager the list of subway/train attacks is far shorter - especially in the West. Can you honestly come up with a larger list than the one I provided? You'd have to list market attacks in countries with a civil war or something like that.
You are never wrong, are you? Way to just happen to leave out my bit about skin cancer.
And last time I checked, yes you have to pull your pants down to get your prostate checked.
Abortion clinics: terrorism, maybe assassination. The only ones living in any kind of fear are the abortion doctors... perhaps in that small subset of the population there is less emphasis on other forms of terrorism? But surely you don't find it mysterious that the general population pays little attention.
Churches: I presume you mean the black churches that get burnt down when no one is inside them? Or do you mean the longer legacy of horrendous crimes committed in the name of white supremacy? Either way, I think that you'll find that these actions carry a lot more weight in the sub-section of the population that is affected by it.
Military rampage in Texas: Arguably, it was an act of war rather than terrorism.
No, not all terrorism is airplane related or al-queda and crew - but a large chunk of the population flies, it makes big dramatic fires for the media, and these terrorists seem drawn to aircraft like moths to a porch light.
If a terrorist successfully impersonates a pilot,
Presumably, he meant only impersonate one long enough to pass security. I'd assume the flight crew would notice the wrong guy is claiming to be the pilot.
So yeah, give them a gun, let them fly the plane, but don't count on the potentially dumbass TSA guard to "know" he's a pilot.
It is literally an order of magnitude slower than standard screening. You have to stand still with your arms raised for at least 15 second after they start the scan.
Is it slower than what the Israelis do? Because they are the only ones to successfully thwart a hijacking and their 45 minute interview wouldn't "fly" here in the US.
Nobody has proved that an undergarment bomb can be effective at bringing down an airliner.
No one has conducted such a test. The BBC conducted a test using a different plane that was sitting on the ground. Sure, the "Christmas" bomber was only at 10,000 feet when he tried, but airlines routinely go as high as 40k+ feet. I believe Richard Reid attempted at altitude.
Besides what stops an up the ass or breast implant based device?
Nothing currently. I'd say that we should probably plan for such an eventuality, but not implement something until a need is shown (hopefully intelligence or a botched attempt and not an exploded airliner).
I've been through security in Israel. It takes 45-minutes or so, and requires multiple interviews with scary people who ask sometimes extremely personal questions, including about your race and ethnicity.
I just don't see this working out in the US, and if full-body scanners are effective it would really speed things up.
If they aren't shown to be effective, then I'd be up for supporting a more Israeli-style system. I'd bet the politically-correct crowd would render it ineffective, though.
Have you traveled in Israel? The security procedure works perfectly (so far), but it requires at least 45 minutes more than the US system and would cost a lot more. The questions are also extremely probing and personal.
If you can't handle the thought of someone seeing you nude, then I'd fully support having the option of an Israeli-style interrogation. I have a feeling you'll feel a lot more "invaded" after the interrogation than the body scan, though. You'll forget the body scan in a few minutes, but you'll never forget your travel through Israel.
If you have to strip naked when you go to the doctor, there's something wrong and you should get another doctor.
No, there is something wrong with your doctor if they are not screening you properly for skin cancer or checking your prostate or giving you a mammogram or screening you for cervical cancer. This is negating that nearly half of the population eventually gives birth, which is sort of a nudity-high process.
Nudity is fine. Just don't let the screeners see the actual passenger or have a way to store and share the images. Even then, anyone getting their jollys from images like this hasn't heard of the internet.
It's not as if it is hard to find out who leaked an image.
We didn't find it necessary to strip-search everyone who went into a hotel, or onto a train.
No, no - you just put 90% of your country on closed-circuit TV!
Besides calling me a coward, what did you add to the discussion?
You could start by visiting this list of notable aircraft hijackings and trying to construct a similar list with any other target type. Sure we've had non-airplane terrorist incidents - public transit systems are certainly a target - but airplanes are for whatever a more attractive target.
Probably because it embarrasses the government more, makes for a more spectacular image, generates more press coverage, and tends to hit more affluent people - but I'm just speculating. The point is not really "why" anyway - the point is to properly allocate your security resources.
Um, yeah, that happens, like, every day in Israel, the greater Middle East, Pakistan and Afghanistan?
I know there is an international audience here, but I live in the US and this is a US site. We don't have things like that happening here (yet?). We have people blowing up big federal buildings, skyscrapers, and airplanes. Leaving bombs in Times Square is not exactly low-profile. In fact, I can't think of a more famous intersection in the entire US. They don't go for low-profile targets in the US - or at least they haven't yet.
But I'm glad you brought up Israel. Israel is perhaps the only country more despised in the Arab world than the US, and yet Israel has never had anyone blow up an airplane. Have you ever been through Israeli airport screening? There is a very good reason for it, and it has (so far) worked flawlessly.
We shouldn't shape our security policy based on people who have some kind of mental issues, even if it is because they have been the victim of a terrible crime. When people are putting bombs in their underwear, you need thorough security.
It's not as if you need an airplane to live your life. I met a guy who only traveled once out of his 10 block radius in Harlem (not that I'm endorsing such a lifestyle). :)
Please provide a list of all terrorists caught by TSA to date. Thanks.
There have been several people who boarded planes with live bombs who were NOT caught. To most people, this would seem to mean the TSA needs to be MORE thorough, not less.
Everyone can (and should) agree that this is a gross violation of privacy and should not be tolerated.
It's only a "gross violation" if you are forced to do it. There is an opt-out.
Maybe I'm just shamelessly immodest, but I support these scanners if they can be shown to speed up the process of checking in. People need to get over being seen naked - do they avoid the doctor's office as well?
"Virtually groped?" That's insane. Have a separate line for the insane people. That covers the "expanding the power of the state" crew, too.
We live in a world where airplanes attract way more than their fair share of terrorism - we need to accept that fact. We can't pretend that people won't try to bomb airplanes, even if there are much easier ways to kill people. Terrorists don't go after low-hanging fruit... they go after the spectacular. Otherwise they'd be bombing suburban bus and train routes, malls, and other places which are almost impossible to police. A plane is an exceptionally hard target in comparison, and yet they persist.
Or, more likely
I'd actually expect both. You get these name-callers on both sides, but you also get reasoned arguments against copyright here on Slashdot.
The problem is that the discussion gets framed as either "people who want stuff for free" or "giant evil corporations". Which is of course absurd - EVERYONE wants stuff for free, including the IP creators, and "giant evil corporations" are not the only stakeholders in IP law.
If we could argue over what IP actually is and should be, it would be a much more interesting and productive discussion.
Boo-hoo... the filthy pirates are taking away my government-granted monopoly!
Seriously, could we all grow up a little? We can have an honest discussion about copyright without resorting to name-calling.
Someone doesn't have a recliner :)
Fortunately, we have a trade agreement with Europe that gives us good cheese :)
American grocery store cheese is almost not worth eating, Whole Foods being (sometimes) the exception. No co-incidence that they are the largest purveyor of cheese in the US. I get my cheese in a small cheese shop on the edge of the city, an sometimes there's even a good American-made cheese in the mix.
If you and your girlfriend aren't careful, you'll get Baby 1.0. That'll wake you up very early, and without fail.
You sound just like my compiler!
You mean "@"? Looks like a pile of shit to me.
so we should start coding in Chinese?
Exactly! Keep the "alphabet" small, but the possible combination of "words" infinite.
You don't need a glyph for "=>" for instance. Anyone who knows what = and > mean individually can discern the meaning.
And further (I know, why RTFA?):
This is easily done with a split screen, and sounds like an editor feature to me. Not sure why you'd want a programming language that was tied to monitor size and aspect ratio.
Again, if you want this, do it in the editor. Doesn't he know anyone who is colorblind? And even a normally sighted user can only differentiate so many color choices, which would limit the language. And forget looking up things on Google: "Meaning of green highlighted code"... no wait "Meaning of hunter-green highlighted code" hmmmm... "Meaning of light-green highlighted code"... you get the idea.
Stolen? I don't know. Purchased? From the article:
So unless Nvidia and Intel have reported 20,000 or so stolen processors lately, I wouldn't worry too much.
If it was a story on the introduction of a new color, I'd agree with you. But this is interesting to those of us who develop products because of the tech issues involved.
But it's all mixed up now, thanks to conservatives rejecting both progressivism and liberalism and thus them being shoehorned into one party for decades.
Both parties are so... weird... right now that I don't even know how to approach it. The "tea party" folks almost sound like a wing of the Libertarian party, but chances are they would drop their distaste in "big government" in a heartbeat if you brought up any of the traditional conservative sore points: religion, abortion, drugs, etc. Big government is just fine if it is keeping the drugs out!
The Dems are even weirder. So fractured, they can't even get stuff done with a super-majority in congress and the Whitehouse. They've always had trouble being the "big-tent" party, but they've gotten so many special interests in their tent that they can't actually say or do anything. You can't even apply the word liberal to them anymore, since they seem almost devoid of ideology.
In any event, it is clear that all both parties want is to be in power - everything else is secondary.