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The reason I asked is that I've seen this quote in many variations from a gallon to a quarter gallon.
To be honest, I can't recall whether the article said a gallon, 3/4 gallon, or what not. The important fact is that 1 lb beef takes some significant fraction of a gallon -- the precise value, IMHO, being irrelevant (and also difficult to quantify, due to variations in production).
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Wow I didn't know that. Here I thought that people had been eating beef for centuries. I didn't know that beef wasn't around before the discovery of gasoline.
Looking beyond the stupidity of your post, its worth noting that before we had gas-powered agricultural equipment, we needed farm animals (e.g., oxen) to help in ploughing the land. These labour animals needed food for themselves, meaning that a large amount of land had to be brought under cultivation, if you wanted to produce beef. This is why beef (and meat in general) was historically eaten mainly by the wealthy. It is only in recent times that meat has become affordable by all, and this affordability has been driven by cheap oil. When oil becomes scarce, proles like you and me will no longer be able to afford meat.
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Don't forget that grain takes a significant amount of oil in the form of fertilizer. I don't know how that compares to beef in a kC/$US measure, but it's not insignificant.
Indeed. My post was not to say "oooh, don't eat beef, it's terribly wasteful"; but rather to say "look, oil doesn't just power our automobiles, it enters into all aspects of life, including food production."
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I'd love a citation if you've got it.
IIRC, its in this week's edition of National Geographic (or maybe it was last week's -- the one with the word "Oil" prominently on the front cover).
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So don't patronize me.
Pot.... kettle.... black.....
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Mmmmmm... Gasoline fed beef
But it still sounds better than 'hormone-fed beef', which is what currently graces the shelves of US supermarkets.
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I can walk and ride my bike just as well after eating a salad as a hamburger.
If you bought your salad from a shop, chances are that the shop didn't grow the ingredients (e.g., lettuce) in their back yard. They had them transported there, probably by a refridgerated truck. Before these ingredients were picked, they were grown on land that was most likely tilled by a tractor. And so on. Do you see the pattern?
It is quite possible to produce a pound of beef without any gasoline. How the hell do you think people did it in the middle ages?
But in the Middle Ages, the efficiency of land use (measured, say, in pounds of beef produced per year per acre of land) was a small fraction of what it is today. To support today's intensive agriculture practices, we need a lot of energy, especially if we are producing meat. If we revert back to the energetically-efficient Middle Age techniques, then we could not produce sufficient food from the land currently devoted to agriculture. It's as simple as that.
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how many gallons of gas does it take to produce one pound of vegetables?
Well, if it takes x gallons, then in almost all cases x is less than the amount of gas required to produce a meat-based meal with the same nutritional value. Unless, of course, we're talking about some weird-ass luxury vegetables. Your point was...?
...the Pope is found to be Polish, and bears are found to be rather partial to crapping in the woods.
C'mon, didn't we all see this coming? Did we really think that those unelected officials which govern in our name would make a decision that reflects our best interests?
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And, as we all know, beef is the ONLY food that one can eat...
I know your sort -- you're the pedant who would pipe up after Herman Goring's "Guns or Butter" speech, saying that you wanted homestyle fries instead. You idiot.
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Congratulations, you just gave vegetarians another reason to feel better about themselves.
As they should. Energy efficiency is, IMHO, one of the most persuasive reasons to switch to a vegetarian diet.
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Cyclists are gods.
A pound of beef takes around a gallon of gasoline to produce. If we run out of oil, where is the energy going to come from to produce the food that you need to eat to power your bicycle? That, my naive friend, is what oil and energy crises are all about.
The Starwars program WAS a good idea. It was the threat of this, plus continued spending on defence, that convinced Gorbachev that Russia could never afford to "win" the Cold War and encouraged him to start Glasnost etc.
It was also the Star Wars programme which led to a capital crisis in the mid-1980's, as the US government borrowed on a huge level to fund it. This capital crisis meant that the interest rate on loans to developing countries went through the roof, making it nigh-on impossible for these countries to even keep up with the interest payments. The resulting financial destabilization led to poverty, famine, deprivation, civil war and/or regional conflict, which in turn sowed the seeds for much of the terrorism we see today directed at developed nations. Congratulations, Regan!
Our conception of a "constructed situation" is not limited to an integrated use of artistic means to create an ambiance, however great the force or spatiotemporal extent of that ambiance might be. A situation is also an integrated ensemble of behavior in time. It is composed of actions contained in a transitory decor. These actions are the product of the decor and of themselves, and they in their turn produce other decors and other actions. How can these forces be oriented?
Call me a philestine, but I have no *fucking* idea of whether it's good or whether it's whack.
Far from being the panacea which you describe, Zebra Mussels are an ecological disaster, which have led to the killing off of many native north-American bivavles. Go back to square one, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
The legend I heard is: The Nehru family had a problem allowing their daighter to marry a "Parsi", a non-hindu. Mahatma Gandhi didn't like that, and officially adopted Feroz and hence he became Feroz Gandhi.
Interesting, but unfortunately wrong! From the Wikipedia page on Feroze Ghandi:
Feroze Gandhi (12 August 1912 - 8 September 1960) was an Indian politician and journalist. He was the husband of Indira Gandhi, the daughter of India's first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru.
and among them we have the burning of the library of Alexandria by the Muslim invaders.
Erm, Muhammad was born in 570 AD. For it to have happened as you claim, he would have had to have gone back in time to before the birth of Christ, founded a new religion, and then compelled his new followers to burn down the library. Occam's razor suggest instead that you're talking out of your arse.
While we're on this note, let's not forget the contributions made to Mathematics and Science, over the centuries, by countless Muslims. To name but one: Al Khwarizmi, from whose name we get the word 'algorithm', and from whose work on mathematics (Hisab al-jabr wa al-muqabala) we get the word 'algebra'. Tell me, AC, what have you contributed?
I don't think merely owning open source products instead of closed source software weakens (or even levels)your ability to maintain a "competive advantage". What gives you the competitive advantage is how "efficiently" you produce your product or provide your service compared to your competitors. This also "assumes" that your product/service is "perceived" to be relatively equal in value to your competitors.
...and we shall mount this "Laser" on the Moon and call it a "Death Star"...
Obviously (as you point out) a journallying filesystem is what you need. I went for Ext3 on my Debian servers.
But I thought Ext3 will only journal metadata -- which is clearly inadequate if you want to preserve data integrity over and above file system integrity.
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The reason I asked is that I've seen this quote in many variations from a gallon to a quarter gallon.
To be honest, I can't recall whether the article said a gallon, 3/4 gallon, or what not. The important fact is that 1 lb beef takes some significant fraction of a gallon -- the precise value, IMHO, being irrelevant (and also difficult to quantify, due to variations in production).
Wow I didn't know that. Here I thought that people had been eating beef for centuries. I didn't know that beef wasn't around before the discovery of gasoline.
Looking beyond the stupidity of your post, its worth noting that before we had gas-powered agricultural equipment, we needed farm animals (e.g., oxen) to help in ploughing the land. These labour animals needed food for themselves, meaning that a large amount of land had to be brought under cultivation, if you wanted to produce beef. This is why beef (and meat in general) was historically eaten mainly by the wealthy. It is only in recent times that meat has become affordable by all, and this affordability has been driven by cheap oil. When oil becomes scarce, proles like you and me will no longer be able to afford meat.
Don't forget that grain takes a significant amount of oil in the form of fertilizer. I don't know how that compares to beef in a kC/$US measure, but it's not insignificant.
Indeed. My post was not to say "oooh, don't eat beef, it's terribly wasteful"; but rather to say "look, oil doesn't just power our automobiles, it enters into all aspects of life, including food production."
I'd love a citation if you've got it.
IIRC, its in this week's edition of National Geographic (or maybe it was last week's -- the one with the word "Oil" prominently on the front cover).
So don't patronize me.
Pot.... kettle.... black.....
Mmmmmm... Gasoline fed beef
But it still sounds better than 'hormone-fed beef', which is what currently graces the shelves of US supermarkets.
I can walk and ride my bike just as well after eating a salad as a hamburger.
If you bought your salad from a shop, chances are that the shop didn't grow the ingredients (e.g., lettuce) in their back yard. They had them transported there, probably by a refridgerated truck. Before these ingredients were picked, they were grown on land that was most likely tilled by a tractor. And so on. Do you see the pattern?
It is quite possible to produce a pound of beef without any gasoline. How the hell do you think people did it in the middle ages?
But in the Middle Ages, the efficiency of land use (measured, say, in pounds of beef produced per year per acre of land) was a small fraction of what it is today. To support today's intensive agriculture practices, we need a lot of energy, especially if we are producing meat. If we revert back to the energetically-efficient Middle Age techniques, then we could not produce sufficient food from the land currently devoted to agriculture. It's as simple as that.
how many gallons of gas does it take to produce one pound of vegetables?
Well, if it takes x gallons, then in almost all cases x is less than the amount of gas required to produce a meat-based meal with the same nutritional value. Unless, of course, we're talking about some weird-ass luxury vegetables. Your point was...?
...the Pope is found to be Polish, and bears are found to be rather partial to crapping in the woods.
C'mon, didn't we all see this coming? Did we really think that those unelected officials which govern in our name would make a decision that reflects our best interests?
And, as we all know, beef is the ONLY food that one can eat...
I know your sort -- you're the pedant who would pipe up after Herman Goring's "Guns or Butter" speech, saying that you wanted homestyle fries instead. You idiot.
Congratulations, you just gave vegetarians another reason to feel better about themselves.
As they should. Energy efficiency is, IMHO, one of the most persuasive reasons to switch to a vegetarian diet.
Cyclists are gods.
A pound of beef takes around a gallon of gasoline to produce. If we run out of oil, where is the energy going to come from to produce the food that you need to eat to power your bicycle? That, my naive friend, is what oil and energy crises are all about.
The Starwars program WAS a good idea. It was the threat of this, plus continued spending on defence, that convinced Gorbachev that Russia could never afford to "win" the Cold War and encouraged him to start Glasnost etc.
It was also the Star Wars programme which led to a capital crisis in the mid-1980's, as the US government borrowed on a huge level to fund it. This capital crisis meant that the interest rate on loans to developing countries went through the roof, making it nigh-on impossible for these countries to even keep up with the interest payments. The resulting financial destabilization led to poverty, famine, deprivation, civil war and/or regional conflict, which in turn sowed the seeds for much of the terrorism we see today directed at developed nations. Congratulations, Regan!
Apologies, then -- I misunderstood your post, thinking that you were saying Feroz and Mohandas were one and the same.
From one of the links:
Call me a philestine, but I have no *fucking* idea of whether it's good or whether it's whack.
Far from being the panacea which you describe, Zebra Mussels are an ecological disaster, which have led to the killing off of many native north-American bivavles. Go back to square one, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
While I agree with almost all of your points, I'm afraid I'm going to have to sic Godwin's law on you. End of thread!
The legend I heard is: The Nehru family had a problem allowing their daighter to marry a "Parsi", a non-hindu. Mahatma Gandhi didn't like that, and officially adopted Feroz and hence he became Feroz Gandhi.
Interesting, but unfortunately wrong! From the Wikipedia page on Feroze Ghandi:
Feroze Gandhi (12 August 1912 - 8 September 1960) was an Indian politician and journalist. He was the husband of Indira Gandhi, the daughter of India's first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru.
Not the same person as Mohandas!
and among them we have the burning of the library of Alexandria by the Muslim invaders.
Erm, Muhammad was born in 570 AD. For it to have happened as you claim, he would have had to have gone back in time to before the birth of Christ, founded a new religion, and then compelled his new followers to burn down the library. Occam's razor suggest instead that you're talking out of your arse.
While we're on this note, let's not forget the contributions made to Mathematics and Science, over the centuries, by countless Muslims. To name but one: Al Khwarizmi, from whose name we get the word 'algorithm', and from whose work on mathematics (Hisab al-jabr wa al-muqabala) we get the word 'algebra'. Tell me, AC, what have you contributed?
Dont worry guys... it will be available in tablet form soon...
And the sex too... who remembers Barbarella?
I don't think merely owning open source products instead of closed source software weakens (or even levels)your ability to maintain a "competive advantage". What gives you the competitive advantage is how "efficiently" you produce your product or provide your service compared to your competitors. This also "assumes" that your product/service is "perceived" to be relatively equal in value to your competitors.
...and we shall mount this "Laser" on the Moon and call it a "Death Star"...
Well, MacDonalds are not going to be happy about this news, are they now?
The type of problems solved by Octrees are also solved by BSP algorithms. So to put both in the article would have been a little redundant.
Obviously (as you point out) a journallying filesystem is what you need. I went for Ext3 on my Debian servers.
But I thought Ext3 will only journal metadata -- which is clearly inadequate if you want to preserve data integrity over and above file system integrity.