In my experience GTK+ unthemed runs circles around Qt (in speed) on an unaccelorated X Server.
The new Qt 2.0 and Qt 1.44 are catching up on speed.
GTK+ has the advantage that it's LGPL, so it can be used cheaper for commerical closed source apps. It also is more flexable at certain things (gnome tear off is great).
Qt 2.0 licensing scheme encourages people to consider GPLing raditional shareware applications (a good thing, IMHO, since most shareware is crap, and it could be easily improved / intergrated into other programs). It also allows to develop commerical apps linked to it, for a 15 hunderd dollar license (for commerical developers). This price isn't bad if you are big company or were planing to develop for NT. (Stuff required for developing for NT is much more then 15 hunderd dollars a work station).
It's pretty reasonable. Of course for shareware developers, or low-cost program developers they can always use GTK+, as did SheepShaver.
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That's excellent. (although gtk+ pixmap themes are slower then slow, even on accelortated X / fairly fast machine).
Personally, I agree theme engines are the future, since they are flexable and fast. In GNOME I reguluarly use Ice Theme or the GTKstep theme, just because these theme engines are fast.
Speed and snappiness (looks nice), is a important aspect to get new users to fall in love with Linux.
I am extermely excitied about Qt 2.0, just because the technology is cool and, Qt has reputation of being a solid good toolkit.
And, I am also looking at GTK 2.0, that should have some great improvements too.
Qt really has a strong and brigth future, with commerical developers helping to pay for it's improvements, and free (freedom, not price) developers, who make wonderful applications like KDE or KOffice.
That wouldn't surpise me. I think it's catchy marketing, since many more people know what Linux is, then what GNU is.
GNU is the set of basic tools that can work with any operating system, as long as you release the source of your tools if you make modifications.
Speaking of that, doesn't BeOS use some GNU tools with it's core distrobution? I believe GNU bash is included for example. And yes I know the source code of many sample BeOS apps is their, as is many of the headers to the BeOS (but obviously no source).
20 seconds is still quite a bit of time to boot. Even my old LinuxPPC machine (PowerMac 4400/200 603ev), can get to Linux Single Mode in like 7 or 8 seconds.
I can get full services started up in like 18-20 seconds, and get to the log in prompt (of course not using gnome desktop login thingy maginy (great technical language)).
Then again this machine takes like a minute and a half to boot the Mac OS 8.6, mainly because I have a hell of alot of extentions, and because this machine is like 2 years old.
That idea caught on in the Macintosh Platform a few years ago when Microsoft Word 6.0 for Macintosh was released. This version of Microsoft Word 6.0, on hardware that was only a year old, could take up to 5 minutes to startup. (This was also true on some of the 386's I ran Word 6 on).
Anyways, people started to realize the Word wasn't the 'bomb' of all word processors, the realized that you didn't need a thing that takes 5 minutes to startup to write a quick letter.
That's when little tiny word processors became populuar (shareware), and gained quite a bit of popularity. Hell, Apple's ClarisWorks, a smaller but fairly flexablity program killed Microsoft Works on the Macintosh because it was faster and more stable.
Of course, you got to release that was a few years ago, and that the Macintosh community is much smaller and flexable. Also most Macintosh users were still creative professionals, that were thoughful resourceful people that were smart enought to choose something different then Microsoft Office for basic tasks.
AbiWord is getting their.... but it defintly needs some polish. KWord is pretty nice, but with it's wiz-bang features, I find it's going to be attractive replacement for Word for Windows and Adobe PageMaker not a smaller simple thing.
The use the right tools for the right job.
Don't be a wise ass who uses vim to write your master thesis. Their are far better tools on Linux for that.
I personally still use Adlus PageMaker 4.0 for Macintosh for all of my Desktop Publishing needs, since all newer versions just add unneccessary bloat to DTP (a DTP program is just that, no need for a intergrated editor for things like rectangles with gradients (that's what a draw programs are for), or that text bending stuff (again a drawing program).
Their are some people that use Linux because they hate Gates, but the majority really use Linux for useful stuff (like FTP, WWW etc. servers).
Linux is also become pretty useful on the desktop, stablity and reliablity is a big bonus.
Configuration is getting easier all the time, tools like Linuxconf make Linux pretty easy to configure.
I agree it's stupid to install Linux because you hate Microsoft. Users like that are not really welcomed into the Linux community, since they tend to be the same ones the flame the f*ck out of people with opinions (such as some of those 'radical' gnomites or 'radical' kdeites.
KDE and GNOME are both great desktop enviroments, and it great to see them grow in different ways. Radicals are hurting and insulting both developers. Same thing with radical Linux users. Your only insulting your self flaming windows people-- sending e-mail to Metcalfe saying "fuck you, you fucking bitch" leaves Metcalfe thinking that all Linux users are jurks. PLEASE, PLEASE don't do that.
Install Linux if you have a reason. Otherwise be just another boring Windoze/Makz user.
"As for closed source development, let's just look at the facts and say that since software companies charge for their software and (in some cases) deriving profit from the sale of that software, they are capitalists. Simple, no? They are the ones exploiting their software programmers of their labor-power, to put it in Marxian terms."
I disagree. Your looking at traditional commuism, not something like Mao or Stalin Commmuist. Both leaders exploited all the people to improve the lives of the elite class (the ones that stole ideas to impress the govermet) by exploiting the vast majority of peasents.
Isn't Gates exploiting the majority of us, by requiring us to pay him?
The main difference about exploitation of societies, is Commuist countries exploit all but the highest people (ie. Bill Gates and rich investors) unlike Captiliast societies that exploit just the lowest classes (Middle Class people in a modern captilist society live a good life, with technology, many freedoms and safe housing and enough good stuff to survive on.
Some people are involved with free software because of the money is cheap, but that is a SMALL group less.00001%. If people can't afford software, they would just go to warez, since hotline servers are so convient and easy to use, after all in reality, Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 is a free (in price not freedom) download (it's free to download from a hotline server) and it's a quick one if you own a T1, ASDL or cable modem.
Most are involved for many other reasons, free software is better quality, you have more rigths, and if you a smart investor / company you can make big $$$ with free software.
The facts are "Freedom rules. Freedom Rocks. We love freedom, and are willing to pay for it!"
Historically speaking, Commuism creates a scheme like Microsoft, two distinct classes. It's the rich 'people who exploited other ideas and presented them to the population' (Commuist 'Enlightened' People) and the peasents that did the real invadation and made the country to work (face it without peason class to do the agriculturual work, the enlightened people would die of startvation).
In communism, you typically end up with this class of truely rich people (think Bill Gates and 120 billion $$$), and the normal people (making 20-50 thousand $ a year).
You can't be fair.
At least Free Software (freedom not price), allows people to fix and debug software. We are only killing our selfs with secrets, ask your self this would the cold war have existed if both the USA and Russia shared military secrets and ideas. Of course not. We could have avoided both the Korean and Vietamn Wars, saving many peoples lives.
Being open and free (freedom) is the future, closed totaliran ideas die to freedom. (What happened to Loius XIV, the Absolute Monarchies of Britian or the USA?) They all went to opener policies.
The future is freedom of *.
(In case your not a geek * is a wildcard, meaning anything you want).
Face it, Mp3's will not kill records and CD's. Nobody puts Mp3's on for critical listening or for listening to clasics (like Oldies or Classical Music).
Mp3 are great for disposal music, like the lastest 'craze' song like 'Millienuim' (robbie williams) or 'Get A Job'(offspring). Songs like those die quickly, and you never want to here them again.
But then again, you can listen to songs like 'Yesterday' (beatles) or 'I'll be Back'.
I don't plan on replacing my records or CD's with mp3's, that's silly. Mp3's don't dent my CD purchases at all. Mp3 are fun to play for non-critical listing, but just don't compare in value to Records or Mp3s.
And NO, I don't own tapes. Tapes are evil, records (Lp, Ep, 72s) and Compact Discs rule!
I disagree with that. By not building widgits directly into the X Windowing System, you get the most flexablity posible (you choose what widgits you want to use!)
Bloat is one thing you get with flexablity. Flexablity is a good thing. X Windowing System, is not much more bloated then Windows, so with all of the flexablity it provides it's worth it.
"t is a worm a very well know/common one. How ever it infected a cdrom it can't get out of. When they mastered the CDROM they turned off the autorun flag which is aparently part of the mechanism of infection."
They didn't purposely turn off the flag, it is off by default under Linux when burning a MkHybrid CD.
The worm failed to turn on the Autorun flag, since it doesn't run on Linux, since it is a Mac OS binary.
It normally spreads from disk to disk via. CD-ROM burned under the Mac OS, which the worm.
But the worm program, didn't expect for it to burned under LinuxPPC, (using a program that does MkHybrid and PreP boot blocks). This automatically disabled it, because J. Carr didn't enable the autostart part of the virus.
Since the worm in an invisable part of the Mac OS (you can not see/copy it from the Finder, and it contains a Resource Fork,so copying from Linux won't work), their is no way even possible that it could be enabled.
"If this is the same autostart worm we got on all of our macs about 6 months ago. It is a pain to clean up. It propagates using quicktime. I slows macs down alot and crashes them."
Depends on the strain. From the reports so far, it's the Autostart Worm type "A", the least harmful of them, compared to F, which could over write the Desktop Database, making the disks unusable.
"It also just about killed our nt sever with macintosh shares.(at the time we did not have a any linux server). I would cause a pause on all the macs in the plant every 10 minutes or so. If you watched the little lights on the nt server they would be hammered and it would bsod more that usual."
Yes, it can cause excess network access.
Forently, this *can not* happen on the version included with LinuxPPC R5, since the CD has Autostart completely disabled (they disabled autostart when burning the CD in LinuxPPC).
IF you are paranoid, turn off Quicktime Control Panel -> Autostart CD-ROM (The option does little on Macs, besides work for worms).
"Seriously, though; I think it speaks to the power of open source software that this was caught before it spread to badly..."
Umm... I don't think it was caught too soon. This worm has literally been on the CD image since Memorial Day Weekend (when the master was made with the worm). They had completely shipped it, and a user discovered this when they blunked the CD in their drive and Virex presented this warning: "Warning: This CD is infected with the AutoStart Virus". Some of the people at LinuxPPC had been using this CD for weeks (Jason claims to have had it mounted in the Mac OS for 3 or so weeks).
Anyways the CD was burned in Linux, so that made the virus unspreadable (luckly!). Linux doesn't understand virus when it was being written, so it didn't install the autostart part of the worm. That basically ended the worm's sexuality, it could not spread anymore (take away the antostart part of autostart virus, and you just have two extra files on the disk). No real biggy.
I can not believe nobody did a ls on the CD in Linux, at/mnt/cdrom; that would have shown the autostart virus with 2 files called this (the worm):
DB Desktop Spooler
I guess nobody really thought about it before sending out the CDs.
Anyways, it's nothing to worry about. The worm is broken due to the Linux CD writing program, so it will not spread.
"It took them so long to get R5 working, and they ship it with a worm? That's gotta hurt."
I think it helped the Yellow Dog People, but...
"Anyway, I hope it was caught before too many people were exposed (although it appears to be dormant)."
It's nothing to lose sleep over. It *can not*, I repeat, *can not* spread or cause problems, since the activator flag on the CD-ROM wasn't activated. (The flag is -autostart=DB, the worm only works if the CD was burned on a Mac OS based machine, since it was burned under LinuxPPC, the autostart flag was off).
The worst thing this worm (on the CD) can do is set off antivirus software (all 3 mac users that own anti-virus software).
If you are parnianoid, turn of "Quicktime CD-ROM AutoStart". *Very* few CD's use this feature, and since the Autostart Virus for the Mac OS came out last year, it has been common advice for *all* Mac Users to disable this.
I won't comment on CD's not already shipped, where they will be repressed or not, according to MacFixit, with request they will send you a new CD. (For those really parnoid people, the same group that continues to work on bomb shelters or are building humgous store houses of 2yk supplies).
We like slashNET the way it is, and don't want to join another network. The small network makes it easy to chat at easy and it's easy to get to know others.
OpenProjects can go their own way, and slashNET can continue kicking OpenProject.net's asses.
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It seems that getting Netscape compatible with the new libs, is what was delaying things and keeping it in the pre release stage.
Hell Yes. Netscape seemed to port the PowerPC-Linux version of Netscape 4.6 to glibc 2.1.1 in about 5 months. Why it took so long, we may never know.
Although, from what else I understand, there is also a Mac Based installer, for installing RedHat!
Well, it's not all a Mac installer. But it's not a RedHat installer. The install process consists of like 5 different installers. The standard one uses a Aladin Stuffit Installer to install Mac OS files in the right place (such as BootX extention, Kernel, Ram-Disk. Then you use BootX to boot into Linux. (That step is skipped if you are using OpenFirmware)
From their you get a perl script that finds a LinuxPPC-1999-Live-Install image on your disk which boots you into a gtk+/X11 based point and click installer. If you don't have the Live-Install image / with OpenFirmware, you just get the old RedHat-type Installer 6.0. Of course if you hate both Live-installer with X/gtk or RedHat-type installer you can always use a command-line perl script installer via. typeing control-z.
The install process is pretty easy to use, although the installer system is pretty big (almost 30 megabytes), not including any RPMS.
The installers (guides) make it definatly more usable.
GNOME seems to work great in LinuxPPC R5, the speed in much improved over LinuxPPC R4 GNOME and Yellow Dog Linux's GNOME.
It's been tweeked and ready to install on your machine now!
"Probably not a concern for companies, but may be one for shareware authors, small companies, as Qt is 1000+ per developer."
I disagree with this. I look at the Qt commerical license a source code tax. What do I mean? I mean that if you choose not to release your source code, (which you don't have to), you must pay Troll Technologies a fee to use their toolkit, that they have worked hard to produce. Troll Technology developers need to bring the dinero home, as do me and you. Qt is well documented, and works pretty well. Of course if you release your source code, you can always avoid this tax. The Qt license may kill modern shareware, but I really don't care. Most shareware is either buggy or is good quality and nobody registers it. GPL software is much higher quality then shareware! Example: One study shows that 1% of all shareware is registered. Why bother with this mess and fuss, when you could release your product GPL? Don't kid your self. Motif/Lestif is still the choice for commerical applications on Linux, and I don't see that changing quickly. (I have yet to see a mainstream Commerical app for Linux you got at the store that actually uses either Qt or Gtk+)! Gtk+ support is poor on non-Linux systems right now, although it is improving, thanks to the Mozilla project. For the most consumers, licensing of commerical software is not a issue (how many of you reading this are *actually* developing close-source Linux apps?) Not many. Technology and quality count. I am personally using GNOME right now, because it is far more flexable then KDE and comes with some nicer apps (X-Chat and AbiWord). I might switch back to KDE when Koffice is out and when Qt 2.0 is out, bring nice fast themes (unlike most gtk+ themes). Maybe I have been using closed source software too long, but I don't seem to find qt a problem.
A better example would be a Arrét (stop) sign behind a bush and not being able to see it and you ran it and got a ticket.
Of Course that charge would not stand up in court, since you had no way of knowing this rule, it was hidden behind the bush, the same with many license agreements in a box
I got to agree with that, Warez is obsolete with the event of OpenSource/FSF software. I was burned by warez a few years ago (some how Adobe Streamline for Macintosh corrupted my hard drive some how).
Finally, I found warez is 90% of the time a waste of Hard Disk space (how often do you really need that warezed copy of Adobe Streamline or that Warezed copy of [whatever] software. Not really that often.
OpenSource is the ultimate weapon against piracy, it encourages resources of students, and adults to spend energy improving software and not downloading from your favorite hotline / ftp / www server.
I am not completely against warez either but not for it either. I do not like most warez culture, most warez servers have system admins that act like 20 year old kiddies, that are stupid and ignorant. The TyPe ThIngZ lIk3 tHiZ which just looks stupid.
Come on society grow up, try out Linux and realize what you are missing!
Thanks,
Andrew B. Arthur aka AArthur mailto:arthur99@global2000.net
Actually 'hack' means a shakey patch or bolting on of a patch. Examples of this is Microsoft Word 98 for Macintosh Platium Look (kind of just added to Win Word 97). Another hack would be kind of quickly bolting Internet Exploiter to Windows 98 just to force users to use Internet Exploiter.
Hacking Towers are towers built for Eagle Nesting, build out of cheap wood, quickly nailed or hacked together.
Hacking has a cheap sound to it, but I still like Hacker, since Hacker is a respected name, and is well understood by Computer-savvy people over 40.
Crackers == Script-Kiddies/l33t wAr3Z3rZ
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"The waffling about Open Source between their "real" products and their Linux efforts kinda disturbs me, though. Porting applications to Linux generally means an almost complete rewrite, so I do not see where a little extra investment wouldn't be worth making their products Open Source. Furthermore, I think CorelDraw is at least 90% Corel's own code (I used to work for a company that has beta tested CorelDraw from time to time)...the other stuff has to do with things like color matching standards that most Linux users really won't care about (unless they happen to be professional graphic designers, that is...) "
I disagree on this. While I do see opensource as a good thing in general, releasing the source code to these projects seems a little bit exterme. The GPL is great of *nix-native projects, but I am not sure if they need / want the competition.
If you want a OpenSource Word Processing Solution look no farther then KOffice. If you want a expensive commerical solution look at the Corel series of Commerical Linux Solutions such as Word Perfect.
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Qt has it good points and bad ones, as does Gtk+.
In my experience GTK+ unthemed runs circles around Qt (in speed) on an unaccelorated X Server.
The new Qt 2.0 and Qt 1.44 are catching up on speed.
GTK+ has the advantage that it's LGPL, so it can be used cheaper for commerical closed source apps. It also is more flexable at certain things (gnome tear off is great).
Qt 2.0 licensing scheme encourages people to consider GPLing raditional shareware applications (a good thing, IMHO, since most shareware is crap, and it could be easily improved / intergrated into other programs). It also allows to develop commerical apps linked to it, for a 15 hunderd dollar license (for commerical developers). This price isn't bad if you are big company or were planing to develop for NT. (Stuff required for developing for NT is much more then 15 hunderd dollars a work station).
It's pretty reasonable. Of course for shareware developers, or low-cost program developers they can always use GTK+, as did SheepShaver.
That's excellent. (although gtk+ pixmap themes are slower then slow, even on accelortated X / fairly fast machine).
Personally, I agree theme engines are the future, since they are flexable and fast. In GNOME I reguluarly use Ice Theme or the GTKstep theme, just because these theme engines are fast.
Speed and snappiness (looks nice), is a important aspect to get new users to fall in love with Linux.
I am extermely excitied about Qt 2.0, just because the technology is cool and, Qt has reputation of being a solid good toolkit.
And, I am also looking at GTK 2.0, that should have some great improvements too.
Qt really has a strong and brigth future, with commerical developers helping to pay for it's improvements, and free (freedom, not price) developers, who make wonderful applications like KDE or KOffice.
That wouldn't surpise me. I think it's catchy marketing, since many more people know what Linux is, then what GNU is.
GNU is the set of basic tools that can work with any operating system, as long as you release the source of your tools if you make modifications.
Speaking of that, doesn't BeOS use some GNU tools with it's core distrobution? I believe GNU bash is included for example. And yes I know the source code of many sample BeOS apps is their, as is many of the headers to the BeOS (but obviously no source).
20 seconds is still quite a bit of time to boot. Even my old LinuxPPC machine (PowerMac 4400/200 603ev), can get to Linux Single Mode in like 7 or 8 seconds.
I can get full services started up in like 18-20 seconds, and get to the log in prompt (of course not using gnome desktop login thingy maginy (great technical language)).
Then again this machine takes like a minute and a half to boot the Mac OS 8.6, mainly because I have a hell of alot of extentions, and because this machine is like 2 years old.
That idea caught on in the Macintosh Platform a few years ago when Microsoft Word 6.0 for Macintosh was released. This version of Microsoft Word 6.0, on hardware that was only a year old, could take up to 5 minutes to startup. (This was also true on some of the 386's I ran Word 6 on).
Anyways, people started to realize the Word wasn't the 'bomb' of all word processors, the realized that you didn't need a thing that takes 5 minutes to startup to write a quick letter.
That's when little tiny word processors became populuar (shareware), and gained quite a bit of popularity. Hell, Apple's ClarisWorks, a smaller but fairly flexablity program killed Microsoft Works on the Macintosh because it was faster and more stable.
Of course, you got to release that was a few years ago, and that the Macintosh community is much smaller and flexable. Also most Macintosh users were still creative professionals, that were thoughful resourceful people that were smart enought to choose something different then Microsoft Office for basic tasks.
AbiWord is getting their.... but it defintly needs some polish. KWord is pretty nice, but with it's wiz-bang features, I find it's going to be attractive replacement for Word for Windows and Adobe PageMaker not a smaller simple thing.
The use the right tools for the right job.
Don't be a wise ass who uses vim to write your master thesis. Their are far better tools on Linux for that.
I personally still use Adlus PageMaker 4.0 for Macintosh for all of my Desktop Publishing needs, since all newer versions just add unneccessary bloat to DTP (a DTP program is just that, no need for a intergrated editor for things like rectangles with gradients (that's what a draw programs are for), or that text bending stuff (again a drawing program).
I disagree.
Their are some people that use Linux because they hate Gates, but the majority really use Linux for useful stuff (like FTP, WWW etc. servers).
Linux is also become pretty useful on the desktop, stablity and reliablity is a big bonus.
Configuration is getting easier all the time, tools like Linuxconf make Linux pretty easy to configure.
I agree it's stupid to install Linux because you hate Microsoft. Users like that are not really welcomed into the Linux community, since they tend to be the same ones the flame the f*ck out of people with opinions (such as some of those 'radical' gnomites or 'radical' kdeites.
KDE and GNOME are both great desktop enviroments, and it great to see them grow in different ways. Radicals are hurting and insulting both developers. Same thing with radical Linux users. Your only insulting your self flaming windows people-- sending e-mail to Metcalfe saying "fuck you, you fucking bitch" leaves Metcalfe thinking that all Linux users are jurks. PLEASE, PLEASE don't do that.
Install Linux if you have a reason. Otherwise be just another boring Windoze/Makz user.
"As for closed source development, let's just look at the facts and say that since software companies charge for their software and (in some cases) deriving profit from the sale of that software, they are capitalists. Simple, no? They are the ones exploiting their software programmers of their labor-power, to put it in Marxian terms."
.00001%. If people can't afford software, they would just go to warez, since hotline servers are so convient and easy to use, after all in reality, Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 is a free (in price not freedom) download (it's free to download from a hotline server) and it's a quick one if you own a T1, ASDL or cable modem.
I disagree. Your looking at traditional commuism, not something like Mao or Stalin Commmuist. Both leaders exploited all the people to improve the lives of the elite class (the ones that stole ideas to impress the govermet) by exploiting the vast majority of peasents.
Isn't Gates exploiting the majority of us, by requiring us to pay him?
The main difference about exploitation of societies, is Commuist countries exploit all but the highest people (ie. Bill Gates and rich investors) unlike Captiliast societies that exploit just the lowest classes (Middle Class people in a modern captilist society live a good life, with technology, many freedoms and safe housing and enough good stuff to survive on.
Some people are involved with free software because of the money is cheap, but that is a SMALL group less
Most are involved for many other reasons, free software is better quality, you have more rigths, and if you a smart investor / company you can make big $$$ with free software.
The facts are "Freedom rules. Freedom Rocks. We love freedom, and are willing to pay for it!"
Historically speaking, Commuism creates a scheme like Microsoft, two distinct classes. It's the rich 'people who exploited other ideas and presented them to the population' (Commuist 'Enlightened' People) and the peasents that did the real invadation and made the country to work (face it without peason class to do the agriculturual work, the enlightened people would die of startvation).
In communism, you typically end up with this class of truely rich people (think Bill Gates and 120 billion $$$), and the normal people (making 20-50 thousand $ a year).
You can't be fair.
At least Free Software (freedom not price), allows people to fix and debug software. We are only killing our selfs with secrets, ask your self this would the cold war have existed if both the USA and Russia shared military secrets and ideas. Of course not. We could have avoided both the Korean and Vietamn Wars, saving many peoples lives.
Being open and free (freedom) is the future, closed totaliran ideas die to freedom. (What happened to Loius XIV, the Absolute Monarchies of Britian or the USA?) They all went to opener policies.
The future is freedom of *.
(In case your not a geek * is a wildcard, meaning anything you want).
Face it, Mp3's will not kill records and CD's. Nobody puts Mp3's on for critical listening or for listening to clasics (like Oldies or Classical Music).
Mp3 are great for disposal music, like the lastest 'craze' song like 'Millienuim' (robbie williams) or 'Get A Job'(offspring). Songs like those die quickly, and you never want to here them again.
But then again, you can listen to songs like 'Yesterday' (beatles) or 'I'll be Back'.
I don't plan on replacing my records or CD's with mp3's, that's silly. Mp3's don't dent my CD purchases at all. Mp3 are fun to play for non-critical listing, but just don't compare in value to Records or Mp3s.
And NO, I don't own tapes. Tapes are evil, records (Lp, Ep, 72s) and Compact Discs rule!
I disagree with that. By not building widgits directly into the X Windowing System, you get the most flexablity posible (you choose what widgits you want to use!)
Bloat is one thing you get with flexablity. Flexablity is a good thing. X Windowing System, is not much more bloated then Windows, so with all of the flexablity it provides it's worth it.
"t is a worm a very well know/common one. How ever it infected a cdrom it can't get out of. When they mastered the CDROM they turned off the autorun flag which is aparently part of the mechanism of infection."
They didn't purposely turn off the flag, it is off by default under Linux when burning a MkHybrid CD.
The worm failed to turn on the Autorun flag, since it doesn't run on Linux, since it is a Mac OS binary.
"how can it be a worm if it cant spread?"
It normally spreads from disk to disk via. CD-ROM burned under the Mac OS, which the worm.
But the worm program, didn't expect for it to burned under LinuxPPC, (using a program that does MkHybrid and PreP boot blocks). This automatically disabled it, because J. Carr didn't enable the autostart part of the virus.
Since the worm in an invisable part of the Mac OS (you can not see/copy it from the Finder, and it contains a Resource Fork,so copying from Linux won't work), their is no way even possible that it could be enabled.
"If this is the same autostart worm we got on all of our macs about 6 months ago. It is a pain to clean up. It propagates using quicktime. I slows macs down alot and crashes them."
Depends on the strain. From the reports so far, it's the Autostart Worm type "A", the least harmful of them, compared to F, which could over write the Desktop Database, making the disks unusable.
"It also just about killed our nt sever with macintosh shares.(at the time we did not have a any linux server). I would cause a pause on all the macs in the plant every 10 minutes or so. If you watched the little lights on the nt server they would be hammered and it would bsod more that usual."
Yes, it can cause excess network access.
Forently, this *can not* happen on the version included with LinuxPPC R5, since the CD has Autostart completely disabled (they disabled autostart when burning the CD in LinuxPPC).
IF you are paranoid, turn off Quicktime Control Panel -> Autostart CD-ROM (The option does little on Macs, besides work for worms).
"Seriously, though; I think it speaks to the power
/mnt/cdrom; that would have shown the autostart virus with 2 files called this (the worm):
of open source software that this was caught before it spread to badly..."
Umm... I don't think it was caught too soon. This worm has literally been on the CD image since Memorial Day Weekend (when the master was made with the worm). They had completely shipped it, and a user discovered this when they blunked the CD in their drive and Virex presented this warning: "Warning: This CD is infected with the AutoStart Virus". Some of the people at LinuxPPC had been using this CD for weeks (Jason claims to have had it mounted in the Mac OS for 3 or so weeks).
Anyways the CD was burned in Linux, so that made the virus unspreadable (luckly!). Linux doesn't understand virus when it was being written, so it didn't install the autostart part of the worm. That basically ended the worm's sexuality, it could not spread anymore (take away the antostart part of autostart virus, and you just have two extra files on the disk). No real biggy.
I can not believe nobody did a ls on the CD in Linux, at
DB
Desktop Spooler
I guess nobody really thought about it before sending out the CDs.
Anyways, it's nothing to worry about. The worm is broken due to the Linux CD writing program, so it will not spread.
"It took them so long to get R5 working, and they ship it with a worm? That's gotta hurt."
I think it helped the Yellow Dog People, but...
"Anyway, I hope it was caught before too many people were exposed (although it appears to be dormant)."
It's nothing to lose sleep over. It *can not*, I repeat, *can not* spread or cause problems, since the activator flag on the CD-ROM wasn't activated. (The flag is -autostart=DB, the worm only works if the CD was burned on a Mac OS based machine, since it was burned under LinuxPPC, the autostart flag was off).
The worst thing this worm (on the CD) can do is set off antivirus software (all 3 mac users that own anti-virus software).
If you are parnianoid, turn of "Quicktime CD-ROM AutoStart". *Very* few CD's use this feature, and since the Autostart Virus for the Mac OS came out last year, it has been common advice for *all* Mac Users to disable this.
I won't comment on CD's not already shipped, where they will be repressed or not, according to MacFixit, with request they will send you a new CD. (For those really parnoid people, the same group that continues to work on bomb shelters or are building humgous store houses of 2yk supplies).
It is 01:30 UTC June 14, 1999.
Malda,
Please fix the link. We have been waiting a long time for you to fix it.
See you at slashNET tonight.
No!
We like slashNET the way it is, and don't want to join another network. The small network makes it easy to chat at easy and it's easy to get to know others.
OpenProjects can go their own way, and slashNET can continue kicking OpenProject.net's asses.
Hell Yes. Netscape seemed to port the PowerPC-Linux version of Netscape 4.6 to glibc 2.1.1 in about 5 months. Why it took so long, we may never know.
Well, it's not all a Mac installer. But it's not a RedHat installer. The install process consists of like 5 different installers. The standard one uses a Aladin Stuffit Installer to install Mac OS files in the right place (such as BootX extention, Kernel, Ram-Disk. Then you use BootX to boot into Linux. (That step is skipped if you are using OpenFirmware)
From their you get a perl script that finds a LinuxPPC-1999-Live-Install image on your disk which boots you into a gtk+/X11 based point and click installer. If you don't have the Live-Install image / with OpenFirmware, you just get the old RedHat-type Installer 6.0. Of course if you hate both Live-installer with X/gtk or RedHat-type installer you can always use a command-line perl script installer via. typeing control-z.
The install process is pretty easy to use, although the installer system is pretty big (almost 30 megabytes), not including any RPMS.
The installers (guides) make it definatly more usable.
GNOME seems to work great in LinuxPPC R5, the speed in much improved over LinuxPPC R4 GNOME and Yellow Dog Linux's GNOME.
It's been tweeked and ready to install on your machine now!
A better example would be a Arrét (stop) sign behind a bush and not being able to see it and you ran it and got a ticket.
Of Course that charge would not stand up in court, since you had no way of knowing this rule, it was hidden behind the bush, the same with many license agreements in a box
I got to agree with that, Warez is obsolete with the event of OpenSource/FSF software. I was burned by warez a few years ago (some how Adobe Streamline for Macintosh corrupted my hard drive some how).
Finally, I found warez is 90% of the time a waste of Hard Disk space (how often do you really need that warezed copy of Adobe Streamline or that Warezed copy of [whatever] software. Not really that often.
OpenSource is the ultimate weapon against piracy, it encourages resources of students, and adults to spend energy improving software and not downloading from your favorite hotline / ftp / www server.
I am not completely against warez either but not for it either. I do not like most warez culture, most warez servers have system admins that act like 20 year old kiddies, that are stupid and ignorant. The TyPe ThIngZ lIk3 tHiZ which just looks stupid.
Come on society grow up, try out Linux and realize what you are missing!
Thanks,
Andrew B. Arthur aka AArthur
mailto:arthur99@global2000.net
ehh... He's probaly hacking right now. ;-)
Actually 'hack' means a shakey patch or bolting on of a patch. Examples of this is Microsoft Word 98 for Macintosh Platium Look (kind of just added to Win Word 97). Another hack would be kind of quickly bolting Internet Exploiter to Windows 98 just to force users to use Internet Exploiter.
Hacking Towers are towers built for Eagle Nesting, build out of cheap wood, quickly nailed or hacked together.
Hacking has a cheap sound to it, but I still like Hacker, since Hacker is a respected name, and is well understood by Computer-savvy people over 40.
Crackers == Script-Kiddies/l33t wAr3Z3rZ
"The waffling about Open Source between their "real" products and their Linux efforts kinda disturbs me, though. Porting applications to Linux generally means an almost complete rewrite, so I do not see where a little extra investment wouldn't be worth making their products Open Source. Furthermore, I think CorelDraw is at least 90% Corel's own code (I used to work for a company that has beta tested CorelDraw from time to time)...the other stuff has to do with things like color matching standards that most Linux users really won't care about (unless they happen to be professional graphic designers, that is...) "
I disagree on this. While I do see opensource as a good thing in general, releasing the source code to these projects seems a little bit exterme. The GPL is great of *nix-native projects, but I am not sure if they need / want the competition.
If you want a OpenSource Word Processing Solution look no farther then KOffice. If you want a expensive commerical solution look at the Corel series of Commerical Linux Solutions such as Word Perfect.
I hope you see where I am comming from.