The username had not been registered yet, and as such, before the fizzer task force got it, no one had it. It was hardcoded into the worm as the URL it would use to get updates.
What they attempted to do (and aren't actually attempting right now, until they figure out more about the worm) is put up a file that would cause any worm getting updates to uninstall itself. So, the update does not spread, but just kills the worms that look for it.
Ok.. i don't know much about Fizzer.. but if its keeping itself alive by self updating off of a geocities site, AND WE KNEW THIS. Why the hell didn't geocities just take the site off?
I mean I can't even link a picture from geocities to another site.. but Geocities lets this worm update itself from something on the webpage?
Even past that i saw something mentioned about bandwidth.. if Fizzer is that bad wouldn't its constant updating overload the free bandwidth from the geocities site?
Educate me please.. I'm kinda confused here.
Prepare to be educated.
The site was not set up until a member of the Fizzer task force got ahold of it. So - the worm was not updating itself from the website in order to keep itself alive - it was kept alive (should we get into the debate of living-non-living? naw... I think its dead, but let's roll with this euphamism.) by the *electricity* in the computers it had infected. Very much like tradiational computer virii.
I would rather have majored in Glass Chewing than Linear Algebra.
If only... how cool would that be? "Yeah, I have a B.S. in Glass Chewing from Cal State Hayward. They have a very competative program, so I was lucky to get in. I graduated at the top of my class in the end." "How many years experience do you have in the workfield?" "I haven't had a formal glass chewing job yet. I did some side projects where I got to chew glass when I worked at the Oakland Waste Management facilities on Davis Street. Other than that, I have done it as a hobby for many years now, basically since I was twelve."
PHhb. All I got was a "Computer Science" degree. Most employers aren't even sure what I can do - "Are you looking to be a programmer or a network administrator or a crackaddict?" "Okay, so I suck. I just like computers, and I want to program games, but I can't afford to live the rock star lifestyle, so I'm applying for your tedious IT job... thankyouverymuch."
Apples to oranges. Intellectual property is not the same as physical property, and you shouldn't try to make that comparison. Of course your scenario is absurd, because your premise is wrong.
To protect myself and others who have worked to acquire property, I will not simply take out of your home what belongs to me, I will do my best to make sure that you learn to respect the value of property that does not belong to you."
Riiight. That's akin to "You copied my painting, and added to it, but I'm gonna punish you, cause you shouldn't be able to copy my painting."
Art students have been able to copy the artwork of masters for years. How is it different from copying the real world? One more level of interpretation. Similarly, unless someone in the Linux codebase purposely copied System V code directly, there's no comparison to property theft, it's like reintrepreting a previous painting. And if they did copy code directly, SCO should confront that - what they are doing now is like telling the police "Someone stole something from our house, so help us, and once in court, we'll reveal what it is..." Hogwash.
In the meantime, I suggest that the best recourse for a receiver of this letter is to repond, indicating that the entity known as "Linux" is actually composed of thousands of parts, each independently produced, and that SCO needs to provide information indicating which component is infringing.
Or just ignore their f'ing letter.
Actually, it may be worth the effort just to write them, in order to help them understand that vendors aren't just going to take this, and also, it would be a nice little drain on their mail room if everyone started sending responses. DDoS.
You do realize you look like a moron when you correct someone's spelling, and they were right all along, don't you?
Do you realize that YOU look like a moron when you think that I was trying to correct someone's spelling when I was actually talking about the price? My mispelling of optimistic had nothing to do with my point that it is quite easy to get a new computer for $500.
No offense, just try to get the point before you make a big deal of it...
Well, I'm not sure how the integrated audio on a Dell Dimension 2350 compares to the IIGS, but if it matters that much, you can just buy a Soundblaster Audigy for $66 bucks and put it in yourself, or buy a Dimension 4550 for $900 with a Soundblaster Live! 5.1 or $1000 with a Soundblaster Audigy, either of which are lightyears beyond 1986 Apple audio technology.
OR - you can pay (lets be optimistic) $500 for a relatively nice Dell computer nowadays ($499 to be exact, so I don't know how you were being *optomistic*) that requires hours of setup time (just entering in personal information),
Okay. What ARE YOU doing?! It takes what, 10 minutes to set up windows when you start it up, and, what, like 5 minutes tops to set up your dailup/ethernet/broadband and email? Then, transfer files from old computer - I don't know, but transferring 20 Gb of porn is not "standard setup". Most people here at/. could set up a dell out of box in under 30 minutes - 1 hour tops. Back to you, Sean
most likely months to get as used to the original software, and the issue of having to update windows on a regular basis.
Wow, and I know your IIGS was just as functional as a $500 Dell, and that old word processor can do *everything* wordperfect can.
There's something to be said for taking the dive and upgrading occasionally. Most people *are* satisfied with what they currently have until they find out exactly how much better what they *can* have actually is.
Hmm. I *may* have *overused* the *asterix* in this post. I'll work on that.
because there is no competition!
It it were a truly open market, then these increases in efficiency would be passed on to the consumer as lower prices.
Methinks that if it were truly an open market, one of the big 5 record labels would have forcibly bought out the other four, and then used strongarm tactics to prevent stores from selling anything but their music, and we would be *oh so happy* to be part of the wonderful free market.
All I'm saying is that capitalism needs extensive government control to prevent monopolies, and when the government keeps it's hands off, the (invisible) hand of the market fails dramatically. Just look at the Oil, Steel, and Railroad monopolies in the early 1900s.
However, since the recording industry has done everything possible to insure that there is little or no competition, it just results in higher profits.
Somehow, I just never can imagine a profit oriented company seeking to allow others to take part of their market share...
This is the danger inherent in monopolies and oligopolies.
Ok, so they're caught in the crossfire. An innocent bystander if you wish, but by not buying into spam, I make a strong personal statement.
You can post your anti-spam sentiment to slashdot all you want, but it won't change anything in the real world. Only statements like mine will have a real effect.
You have GOT to be a troll. "Strong personal statement"?! What are you really saying "Hormel should fight junk emails, and until they eliminate them, I will punish Hormel."
"An innocent bystander" is putting it lightly. I don't think I've ever recieved a junk mail for Spam, a product related to Spam, or anything to enhance the Spam that I have, let alone any other Hormel product.
And, by the by, what "real effect" will statements like yours have? A $5 chunk out of Hormel's profits this year? I doubt they care about you and your misguided crusade.
...........
Actually, I'm sorry. I take it all back. Seriously. I think you're right. You should boycott all food companies and all food, just to prove your point. Then, when you die of starvation, you can become the first anti-spam martyr. That'll definately show those evil pig-processing non-emailing punks not to allow their product name to be smeared.
print "Are they running their web server on " + strSubject + " ? Already slashdotted....";//watch the karma pour in
sleep(10);//wait for new article
SlashdotHeadlines = funcGetSlashdotHeadlines;
}
}
Just imagine the possiblities!!!!
(oooh, and I get karma for posting code)...
Yes but will they keep you from burning your unit ?
No, they'll help it happen faster... No slow heat up of the bottom of the laptop - This heat pump is up to 6 times as efficient as the heat pipe. It'll just get the heat away from the cpu faster, no help in keeping it away from your unit.
Dude, you have a 110hp car that can hit 120mph? I am really curious what car that is? I am actually serious, not a troll. I don't think that my 180hp car could hit much over 120mph.
Well, maybe I mispoke... The fastest I've gotten it is 110, but I've never gotten to a serious straightway that I could just keep it floored at. It definately isn't a quick accellerator over 85, but it keeps climbing. Anyhow, it's a 1986 Accord SE-i 5 speed. Definately not a performance car. Your car though, I don't know. With 180 HP on mine, I'm sure I would be in the 130's... You got to count in weight and wind resistance, which may keep your 180bhp beast under 130. What kind of car is your's?
Welll, my car cost about $2400 back in 1997... I can get a PIV 3.06GHz for $473.74.
Turbo: cheapest I could find was a GReddy Turbo Kit for a honda civic that I would need to modify for my '86 accord. It cost $1,685.95 - shipped. To install it - a couple saturdays.
Fan, Artic silver: $50 (or more of less, depending on your weapon of choice).
Overclocking a CPU you purchased is no different than putting a turbo on your 4-cylinder and making it go faster than the v6.
Yeah it is... a Turbo costs me $(some about that I don't have) while the supplies I need to overclock (Fan, Artic Silver, etc...) are pretty cheap. I wish putting a turbo in my 4-cylinder was as easy as overclocking... I could take my 110hp 120mph top speed beast and make it a super duper highway demon in one afternoon for less than a hundred bucks...
Okay, so according to the article, we pay $25/box for the 2.5 gallon boxes, or $10 per gallon of syrup, and a gallon of syrup yields 66 12oz drinks. This ($10/66) is 15 and 5/33rds cents per drink. (ignoring costs of water and CO2)
I pay an average of $0.70 for a two liter soda at Safeway, Walmart, etc... - 2 liter = 67.628044 ounce [US, liquid], or 5.6... drinks, at a cost of less than $0.13 per drink.
So, I figure it would take me and my wife, at 4 drinks a day, negative 23,239.492 days to recoup our costs... that's negative 63.6698... years, or, in other words, Not Worth It. Why would I pay more to get the joy of cleaning and maintaining a soda fountain when my fridge and local store work just fine...
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I think it's because, like Heinlen said, "we laugh because it hurts...". Cheers.:)
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* Networking/modem/multiplayer at all.
Actually, I understand that they got networking operational, but they have turned it off for now until they can put in support for the new "evil bit" standard...
They're going to use it to identify the people that changed the source code to cheat...
A nice feature for authors of documentation (such as myself) is the ability to take screenshots during the installation via SHIFT+PrntScrn. The images are placed in/root/anaconda- screenshots/. Previously large hoops had to be jumped through to get screenshots of the installation process.
Is it just me, or does this seem like a hole waiting for a compromiser? Does anyone know of if there a way to turn this off?
I'm sorry, I maybe just don't get it, but what *possible* hole does this create? Some hacker coming in and hitting "Shift+PrntScrn" to get a look at what packages you're installing?! Please, let me know if I'm wrong...
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The username had not been registered yet, and as such, before the fizzer task force got it, no one had it. It was hardcoded into the worm as the URL it would use to get updates.
What they attempted to do (and aren't actually attempting right now, until they figure out more about the worm) is put up a file that would cause any worm getting updates to uninstall itself. So, the update does not spread, but just kills the worms that look for it.
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Not really, considering I'll be 149 miles out into the Atlantic ocean.
But you'll be doing it on the world's fastest commuter train! A little water is a small price to pay for flying low.Ok .. i don't know much about Fizzer.. but if its keeping itself alive by self updating off of a geocities site, AND WE KNEW THIS. Why the hell didn't geocities just take the site off?
I mean I can't even link a picture from geocities to another site.. but Geocities lets this worm update itself from something on the webpage?
Even past that i saw something mentioned about bandwidth.. if Fizzer is that bad wouldn't its constant updating overload the free bandwidth from the geocities site?
Educate me please.. I'm kinda confused here.
Prepare to be educated.
The site was not set up until a member of the Fizzer task force got ahold of it. So - the worm was not updating itself from the website in order to keep itself alive - it was kept alive (should we get into the debate of living-non-living? naw... I think its dead, but let's roll with this euphamism.) by the *electricity* in the computers it had infected. Very much like tradiational computer virii.
Thou hast been learned...
I would rather have majored in Glass Chewing than Linear Algebra.
If only... how cool would that be? "Yeah, I have a B.S. in Glass Chewing from Cal State Hayward. They have a very competative program, so I was lucky to get in. I graduated at the top of my class in the end."
"How many years experience do you have in the workfield?"
"I haven't had a formal glass chewing job yet. I did some side projects where I got to chew glass when I worked at the Oakland Waste Management facilities on Davis Street. Other than that, I have done it as a hobby for many years now, basically since I was twelve."
PHhb. All I got was a "Computer Science" degree. Most employers aren't even sure what I can do - "Are you looking to be a programmer or a network administrator or a crackaddict?"
"Okay, so I suck. I just like computers, and I want to program games, but I can't afford to live the rock star lifestyle, so I'm applying for your tedious IT job... thankyouverymuch."
And then you realize that performance isn't quite up to snuff and you need to install some ram. So much for 0% downtime.
Apples to oranges. Intellectual property is not the same as physical property, and you shouldn't try to make that comparison. Of course your scenario is absurd, because your premise is wrong.
To protect myself and others who have worked to acquire property, I will not simply take out of your home what belongs to me, I will do my best to make sure that you learn to respect the value of property that does not belong to you."
Riiight. That's akin to "You copied my painting, and added to it, but I'm gonna punish you, cause you shouldn't be able to copy my painting."
Art students have been able to copy the artwork of masters for years. How is it different from copying the real world? One more level of interpretation. Similarly, unless someone in the Linux codebase purposely copied System V code directly, there's no comparison to property theft, it's like reintrepreting a previous painting. And if they did copy code directly, SCO should confront that - what they are doing now is like telling the police "Someone stole something from our house, so help us, and once in court, we'll reveal what it is..." Hogwash.
In the meantime, I suggest that the best recourse for a receiver of this letter is to repond, indicating that the entity known as "Linux" is actually composed of thousands of parts, each independently produced, and that SCO needs to provide information indicating which component is infringing.
Or just ignore their f'ing letter.
Actually, it may be worth the effort just to write them, in order to help them understand that vendors aren't just going to take this, and also, it would be a nice little drain on their mail room if everyone started sending responses. DDoS.
I was just saying that a $500 dell was reality, not optimism. Optimistic would be a $400 dell or something. Hence the asterix.
You do realize you look like a moron when you correct someone's spelling, and they were right all along, don't you?
Do you realize that YOU look like a moron when you think that I was trying to correct someone's spelling when I was actually talking about the price? My mispelling of optimistic had nothing to do with my point that it is quite easy to get a new computer for $500.
No offense, just try to get the point before you make a big deal of it...
Well, I'm not sure how the integrated audio on a Dell Dimension 2350 compares to the IIGS, but if it matters that much, you can just buy a Soundblaster Audigy for $66 bucks and put it in yourself, or buy a Dimension 4550 for $900 with a Soundblaster Live! 5.1 or $1000 with a Soundblaster Audigy, either of which are lightyears beyond 1986 Apple audio technology.
Cheers.
OR - you can pay (lets be optimistic) $500 for a relatively nice Dell computer nowadays ($499 to be exact, so I don't know how you were being *optomistic*) that requires hours of setup time (just entering in personal information),
/. could set up a dell out of box in under 30 minutes - 1 hour tops. Back to you, Sean
Okay. What ARE YOU doing?! It takes what, 10 minutes to set up windows when you start it up, and, what, like 5 minutes tops to set up your dailup/ethernet/broadband and email? Then, transfer files from old computer - I don't know, but transferring 20 Gb of porn is not "standard setup". Most people here at
most likely months to get as used to the original software, and the issue of having to update windows on a regular basis.
Wow, and I know your IIGS was just as functional as a $500 Dell, and that old word processor can do *everything* wordperfect can.
There's something to be said for taking the dive and upgrading occasionally. Most people *are* satisfied with what they currently have until they find out exactly how much better what they *can* have actually is.
Hmm. I *may* have *overused* the *asterix* in this post. I'll work on that.
because there is no competition!
It it were a truly open market, then these increases in efficiency would be passed on to the consumer as lower prices.
Methinks that if it were truly an open market, one of the big 5 record labels would have forcibly bought out the other four, and then used strongarm tactics to prevent stores from selling anything but their music, and we would be *oh so happy* to be part of the wonderful free market.
All I'm saying is that capitalism needs extensive government control to prevent monopolies, and when the government keeps it's hands off, the (invisible) hand of the market fails dramatically. Just look at the Oil, Steel, and Railroad monopolies in the early 1900s.
However, since the recording industry has done everything possible to insure that there is little or no competition, it just results in higher profits.
Somehow, I just never can imagine a profit oriented company seeking to allow others to take part of their market share...
This is the danger inherent in monopolies and oligopolies.
Sounds like the danger of a free market to me...
Ok, so they're caught in the crossfire. An innocent bystander if you wish, but by not buying into spam, I make a strong personal statement.
You can post your anti-spam sentiment to slashdot all you want, but it won't change anything in the real world. Only statements like mine will have a real effect.
You have GOT to be a troll. "Strong personal statement"?! What are you really saying "Hormel should fight junk emails, and until they eliminate them, I will punish Hormel."
"An innocent bystander" is putting it lightly. I don't think I've ever recieved a junk mail for Spam, a product related to Spam, or anything to enhance the Spam that I have, let alone any other Hormel product.
And, by the by, what "real effect" will statements like yours have? A $5 chunk out of Hormel's profits this year? I doubt they care about you and your misguided crusade.
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Actually, I'm sorry. I take it all back. Seriously. I think you're right. You should boycott all food companies and all food, just to prove your point. Then, when you die of starvation, you can become the first anti-spam martyr. That'll definately show those evil pig-processing non-emailing punks not to allow their product name to be smeared.
Fight for Your RightS!!!!
1 - it's against US federal law.
Which federal law is this? Thanks.
I know, I know!
I'll write some kool kode to get modded funny on Slashdot!
Here goes:
funcTiredJoke(string SlashdotHeadlines){
- While(SlashdotNewArticle==TRUE){
}- strSubject = funcGetSystemorHardwareorDevice(strArticleSubject
) ; //watch the karma pour in //wait for new article
}print "Are they running their web server on " + strSubject + " ? Already slashdotted....";
sleep(10);
SlashdotHeadlines = funcGetSlashdotHeadlines;
Just imagine the possiblities!!!! (oooh, and I get karma for posting code)...
Yes but will they keep you from burning your unit ?
No, they'll help it happen faster... No slow heat up of the bottom of the laptop - This heat pump is up to 6 times as efficient as the heat pipe. It'll just get the heat away from the cpu faster, no help in keeping it away from your unit.
To recap - No nude laptopping. It is not allowed.
Dude, you have a 110hp car that can hit 120mph? I am really curious what car that is? I am actually serious, not a troll. I don't think that my 180hp car could hit much over 120mph.
Well, maybe I mispoke... The fastest I've gotten it is 110, but I've never gotten to a serious straightway that I could just keep it floored at. It definately isn't a quick accellerator over 85, but it keeps climbing. Anyhow, it's a 1986 Accord SE-i 5 speed. Definately not a performance car. Your car though, I don't know. With 180 HP on mine, I'm sure I would be in the 130's... You got to count in weight and wind resistance, which may keep your 180bhp beast under 130. What kind of car is your's?
Welll, my car cost about $2400 back in 1997... I can get a PIV 3.06GHz for $473.74.
Turbo: cheapest I could find was a GReddy Turbo Kit for a honda civic that I would need to modify for my '86 accord. It cost $1,685.95 - shipped. To install it - a couple saturdays.
Fan, Artic silver: $50 (or more of less, depending on your weapon of choice).
Bottom line: Relative costs -
Turbo/car - %70
Fan + paster/cpu - 10.5%
Overclocking a CPU you purchased is no different than putting a turbo on your 4-cylinder and making it go faster than the v6.
Yeah it is... a Turbo costs me $(some about that I don't have) while the supplies I need to overclock (Fan, Artic Silver, etc...) are pretty cheap. I wish putting a turbo in my 4-cylinder was as easy as overclocking... I could take my 110hp 120mph top speed beast and make it a super duper highway demon in one afternoon for less than a hundred bucks...
Not to nitpick or anything
Allan Snavely... hmmm, sounds fishy to me - does he have good credentials?
Ok, hompage, Paper on scheduling threads on one processor, Write-up on speech about aforementioned paper... he sounds legit, but that name? Snavely is like sly (S nave ly) and knave (minus the "k") mushed together... I don't know if we can trust his recommendation.
And vacuume[sic]s are sooo hard to maintain...
Why, last week I spent four hours pumping all the air out of my lightbulbs...
Okay, so according to the article, we pay $25/box for the 2.5 gallon boxes, or $10 per gallon of syrup, and a gallon of syrup yields 66 12oz drinks. This ($10/66) is 15 and 5/33rds cents per drink. (ignoring costs of water and CO2)
I pay an average of $0.70 for a two liter soda at Safeway, Walmart, etc... - 2 liter = 67.628044 ounce [US, liquid], or 5.6... drinks, at a cost of less than $0.13 per drink.
So, I figure it would take me and my wife, at 4 drinks a day, negative 23,239.492 days to recoup our costs... that's negative 63.6698... years, or, in other words, Not Worth It.
Why would I pay more to get the joy of cleaning and maintaining a soda fountain when my fridge and local store work just fine...
I think it's because, like Heinlen said, "we laugh because it hurts...". Cheers. :)
* Networking/modem/multiplayer at all.
Actually, I understand that they got networking operational, but they have turned it off for now until they can put in support for the new "evil bit" standard...
They're going to use it to identify the people that changed the source code to cheat...
A nice feature for authors of documentation (such as myself) is the ability to take screenshots during the installation via SHIFT+PrntScrn. The images are placed in /root/anaconda- screenshots/. Previously large hoops had to be jumped through to get screenshots of the installation process.
Is it just me, or does this seem like a hole waiting for a compromiser? Does anyone know of if there a way to turn this off?
I'm sorry, I maybe just don't get it, but what *possible* hole does this create? Some hacker coming in and hitting "Shift+PrntScrn" to get a look at what packages you're installing?!
Please, let me know if I'm wrong...
(Or is this just a troll that I got taken on?)