The person, people, or company has the right to do WHATEVER they f*cking want with their systems.
And I will re-iterate that this is not the case. [...] Banks, telecommunications carriers, national airlines, national electricity providers etc are all controlled by legislation that binds them to provide a certain level of service to the community. They are *not* allowed to do whatever they want with their systems, even in the absence of a contract, as they are given the right to operate in that business based upon their guarantee to uphold certain rights of their clients. They are, in a way, public utilities.
Now I'm beginning to think you're an idiot. You either didn't read my comment, or didn't understand it. Of course banks, airlines, etc... can't just do whatever the f*ck they want...because it's a paid, contractual service.
So if your bank changed your pin to say "1234", you wouldn't mind at all?
I know slashdotters usually don't read the articles, but today it seems like everyone failed to read a certain sentence in my post. It's the one that says: "Unless there is money being paid for accessing the systems, or there is an existing policy/agreement in place that says the system owners will not mess with passwords, then it's open season."
So since I pay my bank in the form of fees, and there are existing policies and agreements in place--not to mention legislative requirements, no, I don't believe my bank can or should change my PIN without asking me.
What, you mean like the legislative requirement that banks give depositors access to their funds?
Yeah--exactly like that. Didn't you actually read my comment?
Just because I have no clue what lloyds, barclays, or this stupid 'pants' comment relate to doesn't mean I don't have an understanding of rights and responsibilities.
So let me try again. The person, people, or company has the right to do WHATEVER they f*cking want with their systems. They own them afterall. However, this is predicated on them not being contractually or legally obliged to provide certain services. Being contractually or legally obliged usually means money is changing hands at some point. So yeah, Mr. Didn't-Read-My-Previous-Comment, a Bank would fall under all of that.
Now in this case, the choice of the password might be deemed offensive. However, it seems that there was no clear and consistent policy enforced as to what a voice password could be.
No, the real issue is who owns the systems being accessed. Unless there is money being paid for accessing the systems, or there is an existing policy/agreement in place that says the system owners will not mess with passwords, then it's open season.
The people that own the systems have the right to do what they wish with them.
But it's bad customer service to mess with your users.
And as far as anyone can rate a system the system can also be designed to watch for those people abusing the ratings. Also, over time the system will balance that out.
Awesome. Google will finally have mods and metamods.
No, because he lacked a sense of proportionality. How about "leave it out again, and lose it for a week... and the next time it will be for a month"?
WTF? Are you competing for having the biggest loser dad? Let's see how your argument stacks up against life:
* If you don't clean those grease traps, you're fired. (Damn--your boss should have had a sense of proportionality and just sent you to time-out for a few minutes.)
* If you drive drunk, you go to jail. (Damn--that officer should have had a sense of proportionality and just told you to 'It better not happen again'.
* If you don't pay your rent, you get kicked out. (Damn--your landlord should have had a sense of proportionality and just told you to *think* about your actions instead of throwing you out on your ass
Oh--and nice job trying to drag an argument about politics and the war into an otherwise rational thread about parents and discipline. Maybe the next time your kids get in trouble you can call the UN and have them write a strongly-worded letter and see if they shape up.
I find that the animations in the article are not at all four dimensional
Duh. That's because our screens are two dimensional, and you and I are three dimensional. Certainly you can't fault them for this? (Please tell me that I'm somehow misunderstanding this objection..)
In other words, the method that they have used does not actually visualize a fourth dimension in any mathematical or logical sense
Wow. That makes a lot of sense. You sorta remind me of this other guy...
They also know if they were honest it might prompt Congress to do something about broadband. The problem isn't the model. The problem is their LYING about the model.
Maybe it's different in my Comcast market area, but they say I have an 8 Mb pipe which bursts up to 10 or 12 (can't remember which). If I download from my colo server which is hosted clear across the country, I can usually hit 5 Mb/sec, plus I can still surf as if there were no delay.
Combine that with a VPN link I have between my house and my friends house (a few miles away) over the Comcast network, I get awesome speeds. Usually 9 Mb/sec when loaning him a DVD to watch.
If I want faster speeds that Comcast says they don't mess with, I can get their business-class account for about $100/mo which gives me 16 Mb/sec down, 1 Mb/sec up. (I had it for 3 months as a trial, and it was truly awesome).
Our code signing machine is locked in a cage and powered up only for purposes of code signing. Executables to be signed are written to a previously wiped USB drive which is attached to the signing machine only when packages are to be signed. The signing machine has not been connected to a network since before the keys were generated. The private key only exists on that machine and in a single separately encrypted backup.
Meh!
Well my code signing machine is more secure. We don't put USB sticks directly into the signing machine. We copy the package to a USB stick and then to the 'transfer' machine. The code signing machine is then 'connected' to the transfer machine by infared link which is unblocked by lifting a large steel slab out of the way. The transfer happens via zmodem, and it scanned on both the transfer machine and the code signing machine. Finally we sign the package and transfer it back just before the poor intern's strength gives out and the steel slab slams back down, killing the connection and the intern...(just in case he saw me type in the 42-character passphrase to the private key).
Fuck you. I want all my traffic to be treated equally by the isp. NO MATTER WHAT THE FUCK I AM DOING!
If i need traffic managment. I'll do it my damm self.
Moron.
That's what T1s, T3s, Frame Relay, and the various grades of OC connections are for. You get guaranteed bandwidth, service-level agreements, and the ability to QOS your own data.
If places like Comcast, Qwest, etc... weren't overselling their lines, you would be required to pay full-price regardless of your actual use of the line.
It costs money for the ISPs to guarantee X Mb/sec bandwidth to you.
You can either join the 'collective' pool that Comcast has available for your neighborhood for a cheap price--because not everyone is using their full 15 Mb/sec, or you can pay for a dedicated connection that you don't have to share.
*insert whiny argument that you cant actually expect to get what you actually pay for*
Just because you do an end-runaround by saying that any argument I provide is going to be whiny or BS doesn't make it so. You're just plain wrong.
Seriously--go buy a 10 Mb/sec line to your house--then go resell it to your neighbors. And when you sign up 2 people at 5 Mb/sec hopefully you can cover the cost. If not, toss three people on the line and hope they don't all end up using it at the same time, otherwise they will bitch like you. Then when they complain about their Vonage not working, try implementing QoS to prioritize VoIP. Then listen to them bitch like you. I can't wait for you to become the most unsuccessful ISP in the history of the world.
...it should be *taken* away from them by law, call it eminent domain for the common good, and turned back to the pool for people to purchase
Sounds like socialism. I can't wait for the government to take money from me, my friends, my family, and the working portion of Slashdot for the 'common good' and give my neighbor free healthcare...I mean seriously--why should he have a job when he can get free welfare, free insurance, free food, etc... Shit--my neighbors purchased a new car with money taken for the 'common good'. It's better than what I can afford while being responsible with my money.
Just about anything that is done for the 'common good' is socialism wrapped in pretty wrapping paper with an elitist bow.
If you own something, no one has a right to take it from you. If a company 'owns' a block of IP addresses, you can't take it from them. Your only hope is that ICANN leases it to them and has the power to take it back.
If people could actually get IPv6 service from their providers instead of having to route everything through congested tunnels, THAT would help.
Agreed. At one point, just to learn about how IPv6 worked, I decided to try and convert my home network to be IPv6-only. I started with my firewall and tried to run it through sixxs. The part that was a major pain in the ass was that sixxis had some stupid 'points' system where you received just enough points initially to setup your tunnel to one of their brokers. About an hour after I setup my tunnel and exhausted my points, the tunnel broker went down....and it stayed down for over a month. Finally I said 'screw it' and totally failed to even get an IPv6 address assigned to a single computer on my network.
I suppose at some point if Comcast starts making noise about offering it as a trial to adventurous customers I'll start thinking about it again.
Even hardcore Windows fans have long considered Windows ME a failure.
...and hardcore Windows fans consider Vista a huge embarrassing failure too.
* Just for the record, I'm not a Microsoft fan. I've been using linux for about 7 years now--5 of that being exclusive. The only time I've ever looked back to Windows was the occasional longing for a game of Starcraft, or Microsoft Money--but it's all worth it.
Yeah--if you're in the enterprise licensing program. But if you're not, you can't 're-use' licenses. XP OEM is licensed per-machine. If you buy a PC with XP pre-installed or buy an OEM copy of XP and install it on a PC--and then that PC dies, you can't go install that copy of XP anywhere else. (If the machine is still under warranty, you can get a replacement, with a replacement copy of XP and a new serial number...)
Well, for starters, you can put out military contracts worth billions of dollars out to competitive bids, rather than just awarding no-bid contracts to your buddies.
Hey--I'm betting I can beat the Haliburton contracts too. I'll make guns for the military and it'll only cost $5.00 per gun....of course I wouldn't rely on it personally to defend anything. No-bin contracts seem suspicious if you are basing your purchasing requirements entirely off price and forget about quality or the solution to your problem. Haliburton may (I don't know) have a better solution that anyone.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be investigated for fraud--just that I'm not going to jump on the "hate Bush" bandwagon until there's some real evidence.
Secondly, you can stop putting pressure onto the new Iraqi government to allow US oil companies complete & free access to Iraqi oil fields.
Why shouldn't we ask for oil. How much money have we dumped into liberating their country? It would be nice if they would help us our financially. Of course it's their oil and their right to do what they want with it. If they sold it to us at a slight discount, we could help them rebuild their country by purchasing oil from them.
Thirdly, you could actually supply the military what it needs, instead of putting troops into the field with inadequate body armour.
I know nothing about that topic--I'll google around, but I totally agree. Give our troops the necessary equipment. It'd be nice if every single one could come home safe and sound. The better the training and equipment, the closer we can get to that goal.
And even if no elected official made a single cent out of Iraq, there's no disputing the fact that several of Bush's key supporters and fundraisers did make a heck of a lot of money out of Iraq over the last 5 years.
I think you're on to something. Now all we need is to find a way for a company like Smith and Wesson or Boeing to build equipment the military needs WITHOUT ANY FUCKING MONEY! That way, it won't lookDAMN YOUR(sic) SMART!
The person on the cell phone or yelling about his latest adventures isn't worried about ruining anyone experience. You said you are/were.
I'm not saying your family is bad or anything, we are talking about the hypothetical situation presented.
lol--I know this is one of the fwe times someone on slashdot has been worried about upsetting someone else--but you're worried about upsetting my hypothetical family.;)
You might do well in the diplomatic corps.
Nothing get the apatite going like a good dose of corporal punishment performed by strangers on strangers right in front of you.
rotfl! If that's not quote-worthy, I don't know what is. I haven't laughed so hard reading slashdot since the dumb seagull/concrete ocean post.
Your plan of action sound completely admirable. It is most likely something I would do except I probably would skip the spanking and just leave because I don't really like eating out in the first place.
I'm fairly anti-social. As a kid, I turned down a trip to disneyland so I could stay home and play with the new wcCODE package I just got for my Wildcat BBS. I'd rather stay home and enjoy a good home-cooked meal than some restaurant slop.
Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill but I find it wrong to be willing to put others out knowingly because you are concerned about someone sitting at your table. It has to be bothering them too (just as much as us strangers).
True. All I was trying to get across is that people need to teach their children better. It's not going to make the whole dining-out-whiny-kid issue go away, but it would help if parents today would discipline and take responsibility for their children.
two girls accused their father of sexual abuse and had him incarcerated only to later recant, revealing that the mother-in-law coerced them into that claim to get custody. Wouldn't have happened if there was such a thing as due process in this country when it comes to molestation or rape charges.
I think the crux of the issue is one of age and maturity.
In this situation you had two people saying they were eye-witnesses to the abuse. That it happened to them. That's pretty damning evidence. (Think about a murder case where someone testifies they saw person x kill person y--that'll send you to jail.)
The issue is probably the age or maturity of the witnesses. Of course how to you test for that in court? And if the mother is telling them what to say, well--you're probably pretty much screwed. Sometimes when you have a few bad people working against you, you're in deep trouble.
The real question I have is why are you so concerned about the other people when other diners not at your table have to have their evening spoiled by you yelling at your kid, your kid misbehaving in the first place, and crying or sniffling after crying because we all knew what your attitude adjustment was when the kid came back to the table whimpering.
Why should I have to put up with listening to the guy at the table next to me talk on his cell phone, or the people across the aisle chat about a recent adventure loudly. I'm in public. When I go OUT to eat, I expect that I'll have to put up with disturbances from other human beings.
To be blunt, when you are out in "public", eating on the private property of the restaurant, you can't have an expectation of a peaceful, silent dinner unless the restaurant is willing to kick people out for making too much noise, or they refuse kids, or families, etc... In other words, if I want a peaceful meal, I don't make reservations at McDonalds.
So, even though no one has a right to a peaceful meal when they are out of their home, I do try and impart on my kids that they must be respectful. If they are disturbing others, I am going to put a stop to it. First by telling them to behave, second a spanking, and third they go home and skip their next meal for being inconsiderate to others trying to eat. (Once again, not appropriate for a 2-year-old, but probably an 8-year-old.)
Just remember there's a difference between laws and courtesy. There's no law that my kids must silent during dinner so as not to disturb you at the next table. However, I require them to be courteous.
The parent should: (1) tell the child once that if they don't settle down, they'll pay the bill and leave immediately, food or no food and then (2) do it.
...and if I'm trying to have a nice family dinner at a restaurant with my wife and kids and one is misbehaving? I should really disappoint everyone because of one person's behavior? I think instead I'll give my kid a slightly different set of options: (1) tell the child their behavior is rude and unacceptable and that they need to stop. (2) excuse myself and the child, go to the car, and paddle their bottom. (3) If that fails, leave and they can skip their next meal for ruining everyone else.
Of course that is all dependent on age. That wouldn't be appropriate with a 1-year-old, but it would with most 8-year-olds.
Why do you suppose many children won't report parental abuse? In their minds, the acceptance and attention of these people far outweighs the pain of the abuse. The thought of losing a family structure--even one as dysfunctional as that--is much more frightening to them than their daily existence.
So are you saying that some children have a psychological issue with reporting abuse, and then when one child does report abuse (truthfully or falsely) we should presume the parents guilty?
Seriously--if some chick walked up to a police officer right now and said I raped her, I'd go to jail until such time as I post bail, or go to trial and she can't prove rape. Even then, the burden is somewhat on me to say that I've never seen her before, or that she asked me for something (like selling Cigarettes to her and she's under 18) and I refused--so she called 'rape'. It's ridiculous.
Now on the flip-side, I think punishment for those crimes if you are truly guilty should be swift and severe.
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And I will re-iterate that this is not the case. [...] Banks, telecommunications carriers, national airlines, national electricity providers etc are all controlled by legislation that binds them to provide a certain level of service to the community. They are *not* allowed to do whatever they want with their systems, even in the absence of a contract, as they are given the right to operate in that business based upon their guarantee to uphold certain rights of their clients. They are, in a way, public utilities.
Now I'm beginning to think you're an idiot. You either didn't read my comment, or didn't understand it. Of course banks, airlines, etc... can't just do whatever the f*ck they want...because it's a paid, contractual service.
...you know--like I said in the last 2 comments.
So if your bank changed your pin to say "1234", you wouldn't mind at all?
I know slashdotters usually don't read the articles, but today it seems like everyone failed to read a certain sentence in my post. It's the one that says: "Unless there is money being paid for accessing the systems, or there is an existing policy/agreement in place that says the system owners will not mess with passwords, then it's open season."
So since I pay my bank in the form of fees, and there are existing policies and agreements in place--not to mention legislative requirements, no, I don't believe my bank can or should change my PIN without asking me.
What, you mean like bank fees?
Yeah--exactly like bank fees.
What, you mean like the legislative requirement that banks give depositors access to their funds?
Yeah--exactly like that. Didn't you actually read my comment?
Just because I have no clue what lloyds, barclays, or this stupid 'pants' comment relate to doesn't mean I don't have an understanding of rights and responsibilities.
So let me try again. The person, people, or company has the right to do WHATEVER they f*cking want with their systems. They own them afterall. However, this is predicated on them not being contractually or legally obliged to provide certain services. Being contractually or legally obliged usually means money is changing hands at some point. So yeah, Mr. Didn't-Read-My-Previous-Comment, a Bank would fall under all of that.
Now in this case, the choice of the password might be deemed offensive. However, it seems that there was no clear and consistent policy enforced as to what a voice password could be.
No, the real issue is who owns the systems being accessed. Unless there is money being paid for accessing the systems, or there is an existing policy/agreement in place that says the system owners will not mess with passwords, then it's open season.
The people that own the systems have the right to do what they wish with them.
But it's bad customer service to mess with your users.
And as far as anyone can rate a system the system can also be designed to watch for those people abusing the ratings. Also, over time the system will balance that out.
Awesome. Google will finally have mods and metamods.
Finally my website can be rated -1 TROLL
No, because he lacked a sense of proportionality. How about "leave it out again, and lose it for a week... and the next time it will be for a month"?
WTF? Are you competing for having the biggest loser dad? Let's see how your argument stacks up against life:
* If you don't clean those grease traps, you're fired. (Damn--your boss should have had a sense of proportionality and just sent you to time-out for a few minutes.)
* If you drive drunk, you go to jail. (Damn--that officer should have had a sense of proportionality and just told you to 'It better not happen again'.
* If you don't pay your rent, you get kicked out. (Damn--your landlord should have had a sense of proportionality and just told you to *think* about your actions instead of throwing you out on your ass
Oh--and nice job trying to drag an argument about politics and the war into an otherwise rational thread about parents and discipline. Maybe the next time your kids get in trouble you can call the UN and have them write a strongly-worded letter and see if they shape up.
I find that the animations in the article are not at all four dimensional
Duh. That's because our screens are two dimensional, and you and I are three dimensional. Certainly you can't fault them for this? (Please tell me that I'm somehow misunderstanding this objection..)
In other words, the method that they have used does not actually visualize a fourth dimension in any mathematical or logical sense
Wow. That makes a lot of sense. You sorta remind me of this other guy...
They also know if they were honest it might prompt Congress to do something about broadband. The problem isn't the model. The problem is their LYING about the model.
Maybe it's different in my Comcast market area, but they say I have an 8 Mb pipe which bursts up to 10 or 12 (can't remember which). If I download from my colo server which is hosted clear across the country, I can usually hit 5 Mb/sec, plus I can still surf as if there were no delay.
Combine that with a VPN link I have between my house and my friends house (a few miles away) over the Comcast network, I get awesome speeds. Usually 9 Mb/sec when loaning him a DVD to watch.
If I want faster speeds that Comcast says they don't mess with, I can get their business-class account for about $100/mo which gives me 16 Mb/sec down, 1 Mb/sec up. (I had it for 3 months as a trial, and it was truly awesome).
Our code signing machine is locked in a cage and powered up only for purposes of code signing. Executables to be signed are written to a previously wiped USB drive which is attached to the signing machine only when packages are to be signed. The signing machine has not been connected to a network since before the keys were generated. The private key only exists on that machine and in a single separately encrypted backup.
Meh!
Well my code signing machine is more secure. We don't put USB sticks directly into the signing machine. We copy the package to a USB stick and then to the 'transfer' machine. The code signing machine is then 'connected' to the transfer machine by infared link which is unblocked by lifting a large steel slab out of the way. The transfer happens via zmodem, and it scanned on both the transfer machine and the code signing machine. Finally we sign the package and transfer it back just before the poor intern's strength gives out and the steel slab slams back down, killing the connection and the intern...(just in case he saw me type in the 42-character passphrase to the private key).
Beat that security...
Fuck you. I want all my traffic to be treated equally by the isp. NO MATTER WHAT THE FUCK I AM DOING!
If i need traffic managment. I'll do it my damm self.
Moron.
That's what T1s, T3s, Frame Relay, and the various grades of OC connections are for. You get guaranteed bandwidth, service-level agreements, and the ability to QOS your own data.
If places like Comcast, Qwest, etc... weren't overselling their lines, you would be required to pay full-price regardless of your actual use of the line.
It costs money for the ISPs to guarantee X Mb/sec bandwidth to you.
You can either join the 'collective' pool that Comcast has available for your neighborhood for a cheap price--because not everyone is using their full 15 Mb/sec, or you can pay for a dedicated connection that you don't have to share.
*insert whiny argument that you cant actually expect to get what you actually pay for*
Just because you do an end-runaround by saying that any argument I provide is going to be whiny or BS doesn't make it so. You're just plain wrong.
Seriously--go buy a 10 Mb/sec line to your house--then go resell it to your neighbors. And when you sign up 2 people at 5 Mb/sec hopefully you can cover the cost. If not, toss three people on the line and hope they don't all end up using it at the same time, otherwise they will bitch like you. Then when they complain about their Vonage not working, try implementing QoS to prioritize VoIP. Then listen to them bitch like you. I can't wait for you to become the most unsuccessful ISP in the history of the world.
How do you multicast when each household can decide to start, pause, stop, fast-forward and rewind the video whenever they want?
To quote my father: It uses this really cool new technology called "FM".
...the "M" stands for Magic.
...it should be *taken* away from them by law, call it eminent domain for the common good, and turned back to the pool for people to purchase
Sounds like socialism. I can't wait for the government to take money from me, my friends, my family, and the working portion of Slashdot for the 'common good' and give my neighbor free healthcare...I mean seriously--why should he have a job when he can get free welfare, free insurance, free food, etc... Shit--my neighbors purchased a new car with money taken for the 'common good'. It's better than what I can afford while being responsible with my money.
Just about anything that is done for the 'common good' is socialism wrapped in pretty wrapping paper with an elitist bow.
If you own something, no one has a right to take it from you. If a company 'owns' a block of IP addresses, you can't take it from them. Your only hope is that ICANN leases it to them and has the power to take it back.
If people could actually get IPv6 service from their providers instead of having to route everything through congested tunnels, THAT would help.
Agreed. At one point, just to learn about how IPv6 worked, I decided to try and convert my home network to be IPv6-only. I started with my firewall and tried to run it through sixxs. The part that was a major pain in the ass was that sixxis had some stupid 'points' system where you received just enough points initially to setup your tunnel to one of their brokers. About an hour after I setup my tunnel and exhausted my points, the tunnel broker went down. ...and it stayed down for over a month. Finally I said 'screw it' and totally failed to even get an IPv6 address assigned to a single computer on my network.
I suppose at some point if Comcast starts making noise about offering it as a trial to adventurous customers I'll start thinking about it again.
Screw the tunnel brokers.
...nothing's as frustrating as trying to analyze a log that came in from the field where there's just no information about what went wrong.
[ 56.529336] WARNING: A-fib detected /dev/paddles
[ 56.568802] INFO: charging defib
[ 56.741096] INFO: charging ccomplete
[ 57.218803] ALERT: shocking!
[ 58.061815] Buffer I/O error on
[ 58.163210] zapper[22402]: segfault at 000000c4 eip b321bf5f esp b320a870 error 6
BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual adress 00000000
printing eip: c013186b *pde = 00000000
Oops: 0000 [#1] SMP
Modules linked in: battery ipv6 paddles ac button battery cardiac_monitor thermal processor zapper fan
Man, I'd feel bad after that output...
I'm almost tempted to try to log into your slashdot account with lando-calrissian
Damnit!
*click* *tap* *click* *type*
C H E W B A C C A
*click*
*whew* Safe again.
No one will ever guess that I just pick a question at random and give all the same answers.
Mother's Maiden Name: lando-calrissian
Favorite pet: lando-calrissian
Year you were born: lando-calrissian
Best friend: lando-calrissian
Guess that, suckers.
Even hardcore Windows fans have long considered Windows ME a failure.
* Just for the record, I'm not a Microsoft fan. I've been using linux for about 7 years now--5 of that being exclusive. The only time I've ever looked back to Windows was the occasional longing for a game of Starcraft, or Microsoft Money--but it's all worth it.
Keeping XP on the old machines, reusing licenses
Yeah--if you're in the enterprise licensing program. But if you're not, you can't 're-use' licenses. XP OEM is licensed per-machine. If you buy a PC with XP pre-installed or buy an OEM copy of XP and install it on a PC--and then that PC dies, you can't go install that copy of XP anywhere else. (If the machine is still under warranty, you can get a replacement, with a replacement copy of XP and a new serial number...)
Well, for starters, you can put out military contracts worth billions of dollars out to competitive bids, rather than just awarding no-bid contracts to your buddies.
Hey--I'm betting I can beat the Haliburton contracts too. I'll make guns for the military and it'll only cost $5.00 per gun. ...of course I wouldn't rely on it personally to defend anything. No-bin contracts seem suspicious if you are basing your purchasing requirements entirely off price and forget about quality or the solution to your problem. Haliburton may (I don't know) have a better solution that anyone.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be investigated for fraud--just that I'm not going to jump on the "hate Bush" bandwagon until there's some real evidence.
Secondly, you can stop putting pressure onto the new Iraqi government to allow US oil companies complete & free access to Iraqi oil fields.
Why shouldn't we ask for oil. How much money have we dumped into liberating their country? It would be nice if they would help us our financially. Of course it's their oil and their right to do what they want with it. If they sold it to us at a slight discount, we could help them rebuild their country by purchasing oil from them.
Thirdly, you could actually supply the military what it needs, instead of putting troops into the field with inadequate body armour.
I know nothing about that topic--I'll google around, but I totally agree. Give our troops the necessary equipment. It'd be nice if every single one could come home safe and sound. The better the training and equipment, the closer we can get to that goal.
And even if no elected official made a single cent out of Iraq, there's no disputing the fact that several of Bush's key supporters and fundraisers did make a heck of a lot of money out of Iraq over the last 5 years.
I think you're on to something. Now all we need is to find a way for a company like Smith and Wesson or Boeing to build equipment the military needs WITHOUT ANY FUCKING MONEY! That way, it won't lookDAMN YOUR(sic) SMART!
The person on the cell phone or yelling about his latest adventures isn't worried about ruining anyone experience. You said you are/were.
I'm not saying your family is bad or anything, we are talking about the hypothetical situation presented.
lol--I know this is one of the fwe times someone on slashdot has been worried about upsetting someone else--but you're worried about upsetting my hypothetical family. ;)
You might do well in the diplomatic corps.
Nothing get the apatite going like a good dose of corporal punishment performed by strangers on strangers right in front of you.
rotfl! If that's not quote-worthy, I don't know what is. I haven't laughed so hard reading slashdot since the dumb seagull/concrete ocean post.
Your plan of action sound completely admirable. It is most likely something I would do except I probably would skip the spanking and just leave because I don't really like eating out in the first place.
I'm fairly anti-social. As a kid, I turned down a trip to disneyland so I could stay home and play with the new wcCODE package I just got for my Wildcat BBS. I'd rather stay home and enjoy a good home-cooked meal than some restaurant slop.
Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill but I find it wrong to be willing to put others out knowingly because you are concerned about someone sitting at your table. It has to be bothering them too (just as much as us strangers).
True. All I was trying to get across is that people need to teach their children better. It's not going to make the whole dining-out-whiny-kid issue go away, but it would help if parents today would discipline and take responsibility for their children.
two girls accused their father of sexual abuse and had him incarcerated only to later recant, revealing that the mother-in-law coerced them into that claim to get custody. Wouldn't have happened if there was such a thing as due process in this country when it comes to molestation or rape charges.
I think the crux of the issue is one of age and maturity.
In this situation you had two people saying they were eye-witnesses to the abuse. That it happened to them. That's pretty damning evidence. (Think about a murder case where someone testifies they saw person x kill person y--that'll send you to jail.)
The issue is probably the age or maturity of the witnesses. Of course how to you test for that in court? And if the mother is telling them what to say, well--you're probably pretty much screwed. Sometimes when you have a few bad people working against you, you're in deep trouble.
The real question I have is why are you so concerned about the other people when other diners not at your table have to have their evening spoiled by you yelling at your kid, your kid misbehaving in the first place, and crying or sniffling after crying because we all knew what your attitude adjustment was when the kid came back to the table whimpering.
Why should I have to put up with listening to the guy at the table next to me talk on his cell phone, or the people across the aisle chat about a recent adventure loudly. I'm in public. When I go OUT to eat, I expect that I'll have to put up with disturbances from other human beings.
To be blunt, when you are out in "public", eating on the private property of the restaurant, you can't have an expectation of a peaceful, silent dinner unless the restaurant is willing to kick people out for making too much noise, or they refuse kids, or families, etc... In other words, if I want a peaceful meal, I don't make reservations at McDonalds.
So, even though no one has a right to a peaceful meal when they are out of their home, I do try and impart on my kids that they must be respectful. If they are disturbing others, I am going to put a stop to it. First by telling them to behave, second a spanking, and third they go home and skip their next meal for being inconsiderate to others trying to eat. (Once again, not appropriate for a 2-year-old, but probably an 8-year-old.)
Just remember there's a difference between laws and courtesy. There's no law that my kids must silent during dinner so as not to disturb you at the next table. However, I require them to be courteous.
The parent should: (1) tell the child once that if they don't settle down, they'll pay the bill and leave immediately, food or no food and then (2) do it.
Of course that is all dependent on age. That wouldn't be appropriate with a 1-year-old, but it would with most 8-year-olds.
Why do you suppose many children won't report parental abuse? In their minds, the acceptance and attention of these people far outweighs the pain of the abuse. The thought of losing a family structure--even one as dysfunctional as that--is much more frightening to them than their daily existence.
So are you saying that some children have a psychological issue with reporting abuse, and then when one child does report abuse (truthfully or falsely) we should presume the parents guilty?
Seriously--if some chick walked up to a police officer right now and said I raped her, I'd go to jail until such time as I post bail, or go to trial and she can't prove rape. Even then, the burden is somewhat on me to say that I've never seen her before, or that she asked me for something (like selling Cigarettes to her and she's under 18) and I refused--so she called 'rape'. It's ridiculous.
Now on the flip-side, I think punishment for those crimes if you are truly guilty should be swift and severe.