So your argument is "Don't disturb the mob, don't upset the herd. The collective's right to comfort outweighs your right to artistic expression."
Thinking like that makes me, and most people here, very uncomfortable. You probably need to shut up and stop running around the slash-halls screaming about the second coming of Hitler.
Yeah, that's a Godwin, but on the other hand I'm right.
I haven't seen this pointed out anywhere else in these discussions, so I'll point it out now.
Many "private" security guards are off-duty police. Sworn peace officers with the power of arrest and confiscation. Not at that moment in their official uniform, but nevertheless empowered and obligated to stop the commission of a crime and apprehend suspects, even when off-duty.
So, if there is a law on the books restricting photography in the jurisdiction of the place you are at the moment you click the shutter, and the guard threatens to arrest you and confiscate the camera, he may not be blowin' smoke up your butt. And even if it's just "private-public" property like a mall, and he goes no further than asking you to leave or face trespassing charges, if you decline you may not have to wait for the cops to arrive and bust you.
You're probably Western European to say something like that. 0c is mildly cool. "Cold" is when dry ice starts forming frost on the ground. 8)
No, sorry, at least for those in the northern 2/3 of North America, Fahrenheit works better for day-to-day considerations of human comfort (and perception of environmental "hot" and "cold"). 0 degrees F is painfully cold on exposed flesh. 100 F is dangerously hot (unless you're in one of the freakishly-low-humidity regions and you're hydrated well enough to not die of dehydration trying to sweat off the heat.)
("what will happen to water today?" or "what can fall from the sky today?")
What happens to water today is a factor, too, but that makes only the bottom end of the 0-100 scale relevant to daily experience (unless you experience storms of boiling steam where you live). And whether water falls out of the sky as ice or water is secondary to whether water falls out of the sky at all, which is only indirectly related to temperature (i.e., dew point).
As to the precision issue, you can't dispute that 1 degree Celsius is a broader temperature differential than 1 degree Fahrenheit. So, for as little as it matters on a day-to-day basis, 1/10 degree is more precise in Fahrenheit than Celsius.
The REALLY weird thing is that it goes both ways. There are fervent, creepy, anti-Apple people on here.
Yah, the depth of polarization is weird. It's yin and yang, dark and light, matter and antimatter.
I wish they'd just get together, mutually annihilate, and leave the rest of us to bask in the resulting high-energy ionizing radiation.
obDisclaimer: I dislike Apple's corporate policies (i.e., litigation to enforce "marketing secrets", shutting down leak websites, etc). For that reason, I'll probably not give them any money until they become somewhat more responsible corporate citizens. But hate? Meh. I don't really like wasting emotion on corporate entities.
No, but it is a blanket guarantee to say anything that is true, and that's what's so appalling here.
Not so much. There are a couple of areas in which prior restraint has been held by the Supreme Court as acceptable.
From the Massachusetts Bar Association page on Prior Restraint:
Riqht to a fair trial -- One area where a prior restraint on pure speech may be permissible is where the unfettered exercise of First Amendment protection of speech and the press threaten the right of the criminally accused to a fair trial as guaranteed by the Sixth Amendment. Gag orders imposed on trial participants are favored over restraints imposed on the press itself, but the Supreme Court has not foreclosed the possibility of such restraints.
National security -- A second basis for imposing a prior restraint on news which the courts recognize at least theoretically is national security. The famous "Pentagon Papers" case, New York Times Co. v. United States, demonstrates that the court has been similarly resistant to government efforts to censor speech allegedly jeopardizing national or military security interests. In that case, the court refused to enjoin The New York Times and The Washington Post from publishing the Pentagon Papers, notwithstanding that the papers contained classified information and that the Times' source had obtained them illegally and notwithstanding the government's vigorous contention that publication would gravely and irreparably jeopardize national security.
However, as these quotes indicate, even these explicit "enablers" of prior restraint are loaded with conditions and should be considered last resorts:
Regarding pre-trial publicity:
In Nebraska Press Assn. v. Stuart, Chief Justice Warren Burger articulated criteria for imposition of a ban on pre-trial publicity: the court must find that the nature and extent of pre-trial publicity would impair the defendant's right to a fair trial, that there are no alternative measures which could mitigate the effects of pre-trial publicity and that a prior restraint on publication would effectively prevent the threatened danger to the defendant's right to a fair trial.
Notwithstanding the theoretical possibility that a situation may someday call for a prior restraint to prevent pre-trial prejudice to a criminal defendant, most courts and commentators have interpreted Nebraska Press as virtually barring gag orders on the press not to report on criminal trials.
Regarding national security:
The court ruled that the government had failed to carry its "heavy burden of showing justification for the imposition of such a restraint." A majority of the court agreed that release of the paper harmful to the nation and suggested that prosecution for espionage might be warranted. Justice Stewart stated in that case that no prior restraint may be ordered unless it is proven that publication "will surely result in direct, immediate and irreparable damage to our nation or its people."
Sadly, neither condition seems to apply in the case being discussed now. And that's what's truly appalling.
We're free to drop our weapons whenever we like, but there are plenty of adversaries that wouldn't hesitate to (meteorically) walk up to us and shoot us where we stand, provoked or not.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
I'm guessing you meant "rhetorically" or perhaps "figuratively", but your choice of word is at least intruiging.
And I can write bletcherous spaghetti code in Java if I wanted to*.
Hate the playahs, not the playin' field.
*In the interests of full disclosure, I have to admit that I have to try extra hard to not write bletcherous spaghetti code in any language. It just hurts more in Java.
Well the difference between spoofing a MAC address and spoofing an IP address is that MAC address information is stored in the hardware where IP address exists only in software
Oversimplification. Not all hardware has a hard-coded MAC address, and in most hardware the MAC address stored in ROM or firmware is advisory: it's not enforced in the hardware to use that MAC address, it simply advises the operating system network stack what the hardware's default MAC address should be. Formulating the address portion of the Ethernet (or equivalent) packet is still the responsiblity of the operating system, and it can use whatever MAC address it's configured for.
There would be more I.T. security (contract) jobs; someone has to implement the new restrictions.
And in fascist police states, selling jackboots to jackboot-less thugs is a growth sector. The jingle in the pocket doesn't make the boot stamping on a face forever any more palatable.
And, oddly enough, we'd probably still outsource bootmaking. Cuz, you know, face-stomping has to be cost-effective to maximize shareholder value.
First they're beating us at chess, then at air hockey... pretty soon they're rolling around yelling "EX..TER..MI..NATE", disintegrating us, and avoiding staircases.
This is how the human race ends, mark my words.
(Yeah, I know, the Daleks are supposed to be cyborgs. Roll with it, it's supposed to be a joke.)
Diesel is a petroleum derivative. A diesel-burning truck is still petroleum-fueled. So, the question (and skepticism) about non-petroleum-using trucks stands.
There's a huge difference between deliberate, targeted harassment and someone's paranoia.
Yup. One of perspective.
Or, more to the point, I think this is one of those cases where you and others of your mindset are sayin' "She did something awful, she hounded that poor child to death, she needs to be help criminally liable somehow. Any pretext will do."
Just remember, the amazingly shallow pretext used against Lori Drew can be used against you. All it takes is enough animosity and righteous zeal on the part of the prosecution.
I edit code like $DIETY intended: with vi. When I insert a tab, then BY $DIETY I expect 0x09 to be inserted into my ASCII-only, 7-bit-safe, mostly-human-readable text file.
Heh. That sounds like a crotchety-old-programmer joke, and it is, except it's not entirely a joke. I really do use vi as my primary coding editor. I guess I just like the pain; it reminds me I'm alive.
And the crotchety old programmer bit? That's not a joke either. Now get off my lawn, you emacs-using kids!
Language/geeks defend their pet languages with a fervor and violence usually reserved by wild animal mamas for the defense of their young. There's plenty of flamage to go 'round, so expect to catch some if you say anything that can be construed (even by the most twisted and hallucinogenic reading) to support one faction or the other.
It's fun, really, and proves that true fans (as in, fanatics) haven't changed in more than a millennium and a half.
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So your argument is "Don't disturb the mob, don't upset the herd. The collective's right to comfort outweighs your right to artistic expression."
Thinking like that makes me, and most people here, very uncomfortable. You probably need to shut up and stop running around the slash-halls screaming about the second coming of Hitler.
Yeah, that's a Godwin, but on the other hand I'm right.
Sexual harassment may be illegal, but taking a wide-angle photograph of a public lobby isn't sexual harassment.
Do you think I got this good karma by swinging tripods around?
Maybe, if you had managed to kill or intimidate anyone who may have down-modded you.
I haven't seen this pointed out anywhere else in these discussions, so I'll point it out now.
Many "private" security guards are off-duty police. Sworn peace officers with the power of arrest and confiscation. Not at that moment in their official uniform, but nevertheless empowered and obligated to stop the commission of a crime and apprehend suspects, even when off-duty.
So, if there is a law on the books restricting photography in the jurisdiction of the place you are at the moment you click the shutter, and the guard threatens to arrest you and confiscate the camera, he may not be blowin' smoke up your butt. And even if it's just "private-public" property like a mall, and he goes no further than asking you to leave or face trespassing charges, if you decline you may not have to wait for the cops to arrive and bust you.
In Celsius 0 is also very cold
You're probably Western European to say something like that. 0c is mildly cool. "Cold" is when dry ice starts forming frost on the ground. 8)
No, sorry, at least for those in the northern 2/3 of North America, Fahrenheit works better for day-to-day considerations of human comfort (and perception of environmental "hot" and "cold"). 0 degrees F is painfully cold on exposed flesh. 100 F is dangerously hot (unless you're in one of the freakishly-low-humidity regions and you're hydrated well enough to not die of dehydration trying to sweat off the heat.)
("what will happen to water today?" or "what can fall from the sky today?")
What happens to water today is a factor, too, but that makes only the bottom end of the 0-100 scale relevant to daily experience (unless you experience storms of boiling steam where you live). And whether water falls out of the sky as ice or water is secondary to whether water falls out of the sky at all, which is only indirectly related to temperature (i.e., dew point).
As to the precision issue, you can't dispute that 1 degree Celsius is a broader temperature differential than 1 degree Fahrenheit. So, for as little as it matters on a day-to-day basis, 1/10 degree is more precise in Fahrenheit than Celsius.
demonstration of Aerospace Dominance, followed closely by a search for WMD*.
*Water of Moist Dampening
True. It's a trivially small step from organized gang activity to terrorism.
The REALLY weird thing is that it goes both ways. There are fervent, creepy, anti-Apple people on here.
Yah, the depth of polarization is weird. It's yin and yang, dark and light, matter and antimatter.
I wish they'd just get together, mutually annihilate, and leave the rest of us to bask in the resulting high-energy ionizing radiation.
obDisclaimer: I dislike Apple's corporate policies (i.e., litigation to enforce "marketing secrets", shutting down leak websites, etc). For that reason, I'll probably not give them any money until they become somewhat more responsible corporate citizens. But hate? Meh. I don't really like wasting emotion on corporate entities.
Or tried to foist some %DEITY%-awful POS file system on the community or something...
No, but it is a blanket guarantee to say anything that is true, and that's what's so appalling here.
Not so much. There are a couple of areas in which prior restraint has been held by the Supreme Court as acceptable.
From the Massachusetts Bar Association page on Prior Restraint:
However, as these quotes indicate, even these explicit "enablers" of prior restraint are loaded with conditions and should be considered last resorts:
Regarding pre-trial publicity:
Regarding national security:
Sadly, neither condition seems to apply in the case being discussed now. And that's what's truly appalling.
We're free to drop our weapons whenever we like, but there are plenty of adversaries that wouldn't hesitate to (meteorically) walk up to us and shoot us where we stand, provoked or not.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
I'm guessing you meant "rhetorically" or perhaps "figuratively", but your choice of word is at least intruiging.
But "stop killing people" is really a good idea, isn't it?
But sometimes it's not the best idea. For instance, when the alternative is "Die".
Really, what everyone means without ever admitting it is "Stop killing people for reasons I disapprove of."
And I can write bletcherous spaghetti code in Java if I wanted to*.
Hate the playahs, not the playin' field.
*In the interests of full disclosure, I have to admit that I have to try extra hard to not write bletcherous spaghetti code in any language. It just hurts more in Java.
Well the difference between spoofing a MAC address and spoofing an IP address is that MAC address information is stored in the hardware where IP address exists only in software
Oversimplification. Not all hardware has a hard-coded MAC address, and in most hardware the MAC address stored in ROM or firmware is advisory: it's not enforced in the hardware to use that MAC address, it simply advises the operating system network stack what the hardware's default MAC address should be. Formulating the address portion of the Ethernet (or equivalent) packet is still the responsiblity of the operating system, and it can use whatever MAC address it's configured for.
and MMORPGs.
Apparently, Olympic medal award will be based on DKP bidding.
I guess it's always been this way, with hardcore Olympic raiding guilds like China running around in Tier 6 gear all the time.
There would be more I.T. security (contract) jobs; someone has to implement the new restrictions.
And in fascist police states, selling jackboots to jackboot-less thugs is a growth sector. The jingle in the pocket doesn't make the boot stamping on a face forever any more palatable.
And, oddly enough, we'd probably still outsource bootmaking. Cuz, you know, face-stomping has to be cost-effective to maximize shareholder value.
Or how about the mind-bogglingly "meh" collection of licensed computer gaming titles
I have wasted actual dollars of money and minutes of my time on that dretch that I will never ever get back.
Why yes, I am bitter much. Why do you ask?
True. You can't say "Acute lead poisoning" without "cute".
the revert wars between evolutionists and creationists.
"Ha ha, edit these articles and we can PROVE common ancestry between apes and humans!"
"WTF, I've been reverted for vandalism!??!"
First they're beating us at chess, then at air hockey... pretty soon they're rolling around yelling "EX..TER..MI..NATE", disintegrating us, and avoiding staircases.
This is how the human race ends, mark my words.
(Yeah, I know, the Daleks are supposed to be cyborgs. Roll with it, it's supposed to be a joke.)
"Petrol" != "Petroleum"
Diesel is a petroleum derivative. A diesel-burning truck is still petroleum-fueled. So, the question (and skepticism) about non-petroleum-using trucks stands.
There's a huge difference between deliberate, targeted harassment and someone's paranoia.
Yup. One of perspective.
Or, more to the point, I think this is one of those cases where you and others of your mindset are sayin' "She did something awful, she hounded that poor child to death, she needs to be help criminally liable somehow. Any pretext will do."
Just remember, the amazingly shallow pretext used against Lori Drew can be used against you. All it takes is enough animosity and righteous zeal on the part of the prosecution.
A programmer who needs his designer to save him from implementation constraints ain't a programmer, just a code grinder.
I edit code like $DIETY intended: with vi. When I insert a tab, then BY $DIETY I expect 0x09 to be inserted into my ASCII-only, 7-bit-safe, mostly-human-readable text file.
Heh. That sounds like a crotchety-old-programmer joke, and it is, except it's not entirely a joke. I really do use vi as my primary coding editor. I guess I just like the pain; it reminds me I'm alive.
And the crotchety old programmer bit? That's not a joke either. Now get off my lawn, you emacs-using kids!
Language /geeks defend their pet languages with a fervor and violence usually reserved by wild animal mamas for the defense of their young. There's plenty of flamage to go 'round, so expect to catch some if you say anything that can be construed (even by the most twisted and hallucinogenic reading) to support one faction or the other.
It's fun, really, and proves that true fans (as in, fanatics) haven't changed in more than a millennium and a half.