I think you are confusing choice with consious choice. But even if we define choice as a consious choice, philosophically speaking you cannot show that a highly intergrated colonoy of bacteria do not posses some kind of "mind" unless you make one of two assumptions...
1) Mind does not emerge from the physical process of the brain
OR
2) Only brains can produce a mind.
BTW: The French almost claimed Australia, Jean de Surville arrived at virtually the same place and time as Cook. Surville looked at the land and basically farted in it's general direction. Cook looked at it and basically said - maybe it will look better if we go around that big rock over there.
"Generally speaking, children are not puppies that can be trained solely by relying on rewards for good behavior."
Puppy's master - sees puppy digging the flower bed - "Bad puppy, come here".
Puppy thinks - "Maybe I'll get a treat if I obey but it's not as good as the smell of blood and bone, I'll igonre him".
Puppy's master - "Bad puppy, come here".
Puppy still ignoring master, thinks - "Go screw yourself you're too slow to get me from where you're standing"...WHACK..."holy shit, puppy didn't think master would throw things".
Puppy's master - "Puppy come here"
Puppy - "Yes master, I suppose a treat is out of the question".
Puppy's master - "Good puppy, here's a little treat".
Actually the bailouts were "socialisim" for the middle class since without it their savings would have gone straight to the bit bucket, the rich would still be rich with or without the bailout. Lack of accountability for the problem would be a better example of your point.
I think your missing the point because you are putting words into the GP's mouth that are simply not there. - "not my fault" may be true but the urge to blame comes up with "it's the vaccines" rather than random bad luck/genes/whatever. You demonstrated this nicely by projecting your own urge to blame onto the GP and came up with "he is blaming the parents".
My own urge to blame says the "rise in autisim" is more likely a statistical artifact atributable to better diagnosis of the people that doctors diagnosed as "retards" in the not to distant past.
The water had no choice, gravity decided for it. Besides the human brian is basically a colony of single celled automata that communicate via chemical messages and perform a sophisticated decision making process (well sometimes anyway).
Yes, the "life" part was a metaphor. The basic point was that simple rules can result in highly complex behaviour. Classical examples from nature are the "hive minds" of bees and ants.
As for wether it is usefull, Conway's article in SciAm was what piqued my interest in computers and lead me to buying a second hand AppleII in the early 80's. It may not be as usefull to mankind as the Principa but on a personal level it was the start of a journey that lead me out of what American's call a "trailer park" and into my current $500K home by the seaside.
The data was not homogonized with the other stations. If it was homogenised in the way you subtley suggest then it would be a flat line. Again, stop wasting my time.
Your mention of the 70's ice age is enough to tell me where you are coming from. Did you look up the follow up paper I mentioned or did you just grep the testimony for "Mann" and then post what you thought were the juicy bits?
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Playboy are into softporn not software.
Sigh, he said it would be fair and implied it was impossible. Go check under your bed if you're looking for evil socialists.
"To assert that ones actions are about "fair" when filing a corporate IP litigation lawsuit is patently absurd and frankly laughable."
Great post, but I have to warn you I already have a patent on the absurd.
I know it's MS and all that but if it was as simple as swapping out a server I think they would have done it by now.
I agree, the autisim/vaccine link isn't a link at all, it's yet another band of whack jobs who have zero understanding of the world around them.
It's a pity the mods seem to have missed your genuinely insightfull post.
"They have no mechanism that can choose.
And yet they clearly do.
I think you are confusing choice with consious choice. But even if we define choice as a consious choice, philosophically speaking you cannot show that a highly intergrated colonoy of bacteria do not posses some kind of "mind" unless you make one of two assumptions...
1) Mind does not emerge from the physical process of the brain
OR
2) Only brains can produce a mind.
By "not too distant past" I was thinking pre-1960's, diagnosis of virtually all medical conditions except death have improved since then.
Fair point, I agree it's more "stating the obvious" than "displaying ignorance".
"I think the GP pretty clearly suggests it is the parents fault when he calls them out for saying 'not my fault' as being wrong."
I read it as the vaccine conclusion was wrong not the assumption of "not my fault".
Aussie here, and yes I'm familiar with it.
BTW: The French almost claimed Australia, Jean de Surville arrived at virtually the same place and time as Cook. Surville looked at the land and basically farted in it's general direction. Cook looked at it and basically said - maybe it will look better if we go around that big rock over there.
"trying to harden something that's very soft to start with"
French women have exceptional skills in that department.
"Generally speaking, children are not puppies that can be trained solely by relying on rewards for good behavior."
Puppy's master - sees puppy digging the flower bed - "Bad puppy, come here".
Puppy thinks - "Maybe I'll get a treat if I obey but it's not as good as the smell of blood and bone, I'll igonre him".
Puppy's master - "Bad puppy, come here".
Puppy still ignoring master, thinks - "Go screw yourself you're too slow to get me from where you're standing"...WHACK..."holy shit, puppy didn't think master would throw things".
Puppy's master - "Puppy come here"
Puppy - "Yes master, I suppose a treat is out of the question".
Puppy's master - "Good puppy, here's a little treat".
"I've never seen someone use "correlation isn't causation" who understood what that means."
Quite right, it's a sound bite used by those who want to appear to be educated in statistics but fail to realise it demonstrates the opposite.
Actually the bailouts were "socialisim" for the middle class since without it their savings would have gone straight to the bit bucket, the rich would still be rich with or without the bailout. Lack of accountability for the problem would be a better example of your point.
I think your missing the point because you are putting words into the GP's mouth that are simply not there. - "not my fault" may be true but the urge to blame comes up with "it's the vaccines" rather than random bad luck/genes/whatever. You demonstrated this nicely by projecting your own urge to blame onto the GP and came up with "he is blaming the parents".
My own urge to blame says the "rise in autisim" is more likely a statistical artifact atributable to better diagnosis of the people that doctors diagnosed as "retards" in the not to distant past.
Congrats, after 10yrs on slashdot you are the first person I have tagged as a foe.
Please explain how the chemical process in your head do not lead to your decision that there is no decision.
The water had no choice, gravity decided for it. Besides the human brian is basically a colony of single celled automata that communicate via chemical messages and perform a sophisticated decision making process (well sometimes anyway).
Yes, the "life" part was a metaphor. The basic point was that simple rules can result in highly complex behaviour. Classical examples from nature are the "hive minds" of bees and ants.
As for wether it is usefull, Conway's article in SciAm was what piqued my interest in computers and lead me to buying a second hand AppleII in the early 80's. It may not be as usefull to mankind as the Principa but on a personal level it was the start of a journey that lead me out of what American's call a "trailer park" and into my current $500K home by the seaside.
The data was not homogonized with the other stations. If it was homogenised in the way you subtley suggest then it would be a flat line. Again, stop wasting my time.
You will never find proof in science, my advice is to look for evidence or run the numbers yourself.
Your mention of the 70's ice age is enough to tell me where you are coming from. Did you look up the follow up paper I mentioned or did you just grep the testimony for "Mann" and then post what you thought were the juicy bits?
"because anything earlier was deemed by NAS to be less reliable than the stated confidence level
Fixed that for ya. Look up the follow up paper for the corrections and extentions.
No, my past experience tells me you enjoy wasting my time.