"I really don't understand why people still insist to use those languages."
Hmmmm....could it have something to do with the fact that there are a gazillion LOCS already in production, or is it because your commercial experience is limited? Virtually the only people who use Ada do so for the military, I tried it in the early 90's, it "flows" in the same way anything else designed by commitee doesn't.
Two AC's, recommending Ada and Smalltalk - stay in your basement fellas while those of us with jobs get on with it.
Wrong for who? They have provided myself and many others a very respectable living for decades. And surely you don't doubt the overall usefullness of their application to society over the same time period?
Comprehensive requirements, good design, elegant code and adequate testing requires: experience, knowlage, patience, and bags of money. And that's just for version 1.0, wait until the users get hold of it and tell you what you "should" have done (often as a response to you pointing to the requirenents and basically saying "we warned you when you asked for it").
Commercial programming is basically a small group of people proscribing a solution for a large group of people, thus the oft quoted 80/20 rule, you get what you pay for (if you are carefull). Time consuming yes, but there is nothing intrinsicly "hard" about programming, other than people.
If Viacom hold out too long they may eventually find they are not that "special", youtube has divided some of the big media players, only a matter of time until it conqueres them.
I think many people see EXM for what they are but don't recognise the individual fud generating components. On the surface the reward sounds like a good idea BUT it is cherry picking based on the biggest purse. For example: A corporation want's approval for large project X in community Y, any independent assesments of the merits of project X would have to rely on "reward" science as background and the biggest pile of that science would have been cherry picked by the biggest purse (ie:corporations). Philosophically it's a "seperation of powers" type issue, rigging jury selection if you like that analogy better, whatever you want to call it, it should be avoided.
Having said that, the practcal implementation of science (ie: technology) benifits greatly from rewards. What is needed now (and for the past 10yrs) is policy and regulation to steer global technology and economic models (ie: the market) towards sustainability. Sustainability must become a central theme in global economics, but it probably won't until the west abruptly runs short of personal comforts, if we wait until we have a crap economy we are definitely screwed, the illusion of "the economy" falls away and we have no "money" to stop everything from turning to a steming pile of shit.
To those who don't support "steering the market", does that include scrapping the reserve bank, the FDA, HAZMAT authorities, ect or is there something fundementally different about coal and to a lesser extent oil?
"I guess I'll go read the new report and see if it says anything new."
Please do, or at least look at the pictures and think agriculture.
"From where I stand though, it looks like both sides are playing fast and loose with the science to date."
Regular readers of RealClimate will have no surprises.
"Jesus Christ, when is "wants" ever apostrophized (apostropheed?)?)"
Only on slasdot are dumb typos apostle-ized.:-0
You isensitive clod, no wonder you chose AC. I am the victim of a short lived "teaching revolution" in late 60's - early 70's, spelling and punctuation were ignored in favour of "raw expressiveness", I think it had something to do with the technology buzz over the space race. Anyhow, I realise it's a dumb typo but unfortunately my brain is now hard-wired in a way that does not see many of it's own typo's. People ten years younger often suffer from poor multiplication skills (the teaching theory was "multiplication is simply route memory for fast addition, therfore it's not maths"). I think that had something to do with the subsequent space race apathy. The best way to educate your kids, is to educate yourself./spiel
Thankfull the email system at work has a spiel chucker on it.
Granted I could have picked a more logical "cause", in fact there isn't really a "cause" to stick to pin it on. It was a chain of events starting with the electorate's apparent desire to force compromise by voting for the same balance of power both before and after the "crisis", the eventual "compromise" was the joint sitting.
The Australian electorate (consiously or otherwise), was saying: we like the social reforms of the left but we want the conservatives to do the bookeeping. The same political worldview is still common today, however it is currently expressed in state vs fedral politics.
"Since the Australia Act (1986), it is unlawful for The Queen of Australia to take advice from any party other than The Queen's Privy Council for Australia"
Thank-you AC, you taught me something I didn't know (or had forgotten after 1986).
I really don't understand why my post has attracted such negative attention. The GG did sack the govt of the day in "the Queen's name", and I made it perfectly clear that I was speculating "she" would have the same powers in the UK. I agree with another proposition than someone made about the royals basically being a tourist attraction but they also weild a fair bit of influence on the international stage.
Personally I belive Whitlam wanted the sack so as to further his "vision" of a republic. By time the election was held, the issue was too nebulous for most of the electorate, who, (as the opposition slogan went), "were getting their say" anyway. To most people the election "solved" the problem, they were then "free" to listen to the only other message ie: the opposition claimed his social reforms were communisim by stealth and would bankrupt the country - checkmate.
The "constitutional crisis" of the 70's was the quinessentail "storm in a tea cup" of Australian politics.
BTW: As a "tourist attraction", the Queen did the exact opposite to me when I recently visited the UK. I chose to see St Pauls rather than the guy's with the fuzzy hats. I get to St Pauls at 9:30 am only to find the Queen has it booked ALL DAY for one of her numerous 80th birthday bashes. All the coffee shops were full of people in top hats and tails, it looked surreal seeing hoards of people in formal attire coming up the stairs from the tube. OTOH: The "bobby" who told us the bad news was an excellent "tourist attraction", very entertaining, had us laughing about the situation within 2min. We spent a whole day at the British Museam instead of the planned half day, awsome building and contents but I'm still pissed off about St Pauls!
"Most of these kids you'll teach probably wont have a mastery of algebra, let alone have the mental concept of complex systems like robotics."
I disagree (not with the algebra bit), they are teenagers and will see leggo as a kids toy (what teenager want's to be mentally defeated by a "toy", better to just ridicule it from day one). A well designed project that results in a simple robot that reacts to light and/or sound will encourage some of them to find out more by themselves. That's what HS is supposed to be about, giving you a basic education and a taste of things that might interest you later.
As an example when one of my kids was in HS he came home from his first computer class with one sheet of paper and said to me "they reckon this is a years worth of work". I read the project he had been given, it was basically the requirements for a simple database with each stage of the project adding more complexity. I gave it back and said that if he could do that in a year and pass he could claim to know something about programming and databases. He did a great job and at the same time he setup and ran his own BB on an old PC (circa-1995). My youngest kids HS maths teacher used a spreadsheet to teach basic algebra (when a lot of teachers were still avoiding the new fangled "computer room"). Both were fucking brilliant ideas for teaching the subject at hand and the kids were actually interested in what they were doing.
As for TFA, I won't say anything about electronic because I know just enough to get laughed at on slashdot, however as some other posters have suggested, use a popular language, maybe "template" the source and let them fill in the blanks to flatten the learning curve a bit.
Not sure what the budjet is, but perhaps each kid could build a simple "robotic cricket" and let them all loose in the gym at the end of the course.
PS: The reason Gough diliberately clogged up the works? - A big part of his government's "agenda" was to change Australia into a Republic with an Australian head of state, his sacking was the result of an ill-concived plan to force the "issue" to a climax.
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Just had to try it, 6.03M results for both links.
"I really don't understand why people still insist to use those languages."
Hmmmm....could it have something to do with the fact that there are a gazillion LOCS already in production, or is it because your commercial experience is limited? Virtually the only people who use Ada do so for the military, I tried it in the early 90's, it "flows" in the same way anything else designed by commitee doesn't.
Two AC's, recommending Ada and Smalltalk - stay in your basement fellas while those of us with jobs get on with it.
Wrong for who? They have provided myself and many others a very respectable living for decades. And surely you don't doubt the overall usefullness of their application to society over the same time period?
Comprehensive requirements, good design, elegant code and adequate testing requires: experience, knowlage, patience, and bags of money. And that's just for version 1.0, wait until the users get hold of it and tell you what you "should" have done (often as a response to you pointing to the requirenents and basically saying "we warned you when you asked for it").
Commercial programming is basically a small group of people proscribing a solution for a large group of people, thus the oft quoted 80/20 rule, you get what you pay for (if you are carefull). Time consuming yes, but there is nothing intrinsicly "hard" about programming, other than people.
It will also put a damper on the dammed sattelites the "greenies" keep throwing up there. /sarcasm
If Viacom hold out too long they may eventually find they are not that "special", youtube has divided some of the big media players, only a matter of time until it conqueres them.
Just voted for your story submission "Global warming deniers speak out" in the "firehose" section. Took me a second, but very funny!
Reminds me of the time when Virgin airlines lost out on gate allocations at Sydney airport. The bussiness headline read "Virgin get screwed".
I think many people see EXM for what they are but don't recognise the individual fud generating components. On the surface the reward sounds like a good idea BUT it is cherry picking based on the biggest purse. For example: A corporation want's approval for large project X in community Y, any independent assesments of the merits of project X would have to rely on "reward" science as background and the biggest pile of that science would have been cherry picked by the biggest purse (ie:corporations). Philosophically it's a "seperation of powers" type issue, rigging jury selection if you like that analogy better, whatever you want to call it, it should be avoided.
Having said that, the practcal implementation of science (ie: technology) benifits greatly from rewards. What is needed now (and for the past 10yrs) is policy and regulation to steer global technology and economic models (ie: the market) towards sustainability. Sustainability must become a central theme in global economics, but it probably won't until the west abruptly runs short of personal comforts, if we wait until we have a crap economy we are definitely screwed, the illusion of "the economy" falls away and we have no "money" to stop everything from turning to a steming pile of shit.
To those who don't support "steering the market", does that include scrapping the reserve bank, the FDA, HAZMAT authorities, ect or is there something fundementally different about coal and to a lesser extent oil?
"I guess I'll go read the new report and see if it says anything new."
Please do, or at least look at the pictures and think agriculture.
"From where I stand though, it looks like both sides are playing fast and loose with the science to date."
Regular readers of RealClimate will have no surprises.
"Jesus Christ, when is "wants" ever apostrophized (apostropheed?)?)"
:-0
/spiel
Only on slasdot are dumb typos apostle-ized.
You isensitive clod, no wonder you chose AC. I am the victim of a short lived "teaching revolution" in late 60's - early 70's, spelling and punctuation were ignored in favour of "raw expressiveness", I think it had something to do with the technology buzz over the space race. Anyhow, I realise it's a dumb typo but unfortunately my brain is now hard-wired in a way that does not see many of it's own typo's. People ten years younger often suffer from poor multiplication skills (the teaching theory was "multiplication is simply route memory for fast addition, therfore it's not maths"). I think that had something to do with the subsequent space race apathy. The best way to educate your kids, is to educate yourself.
Thankfull the email system at work has a spiel chucker on it.
Granted I could have picked a more logical "cause", in fact there isn't really a "cause" to stick to pin it on. It was a chain of events starting with the electorate's apparent desire to force compromise by voting for the same balance of power both before and after the "crisis", the eventual "compromise" was the joint sitting.
The Australian electorate (consiously or otherwise), was saying: we like the social reforms of the left but we want the conservatives to do the bookeeping. The same political worldview is still common today, however it is currently expressed in state vs fedral politics.
"Since the Australia Act (1986), it is unlawful for The Queen of Australia to take advice from any party other than The Queen's Privy Council for Australia"
Thank-you AC, you taught me something I didn't know (or had forgotten after 1986).
I really don't understand why my post has attracted such negative attention. The GG did sack the govt of the day in "the Queen's name", and I made it perfectly clear that I was speculating "she" would have the same powers in the UK. I agree with another proposition than someone made about the royals basically being a tourist attraction but they also weild a fair bit of influence on the international stage.
Personally I belive Whitlam wanted the sack so as to further his "vision" of a republic. By time the election was held, the issue was too nebulous for most of the electorate, who, (as the opposition slogan went), "were getting their say" anyway. To most people the election "solved" the problem, they were then "free" to listen to the only other message ie: the opposition claimed his social reforms were communisim by stealth and would bankrupt the country - checkmate.
The "constitutional crisis" of the 70's was the quinessentail "storm in a tea cup" of Australian politics.
BTW: As a "tourist attraction", the Queen did the exact opposite to me when I recently visited the UK. I chose to see St Pauls rather than the guy's with the fuzzy hats. I get to St Pauls at 9:30 am only to find the Queen has it booked ALL DAY for one of her numerous 80th birthday bashes. All the coffee shops were full of people in top hats and tails, it looked surreal seeing hoards of people in formal attire coming up the stairs from the tube. OTOH: The "bobby" who told us the bad news was an excellent "tourist attraction", very entertaining, had us laughing about the situation within 2min. We spent a whole day at the British Museam instead of the planned half day, awsome building and contents but I'm still pissed off about St Pauls!
Well said, and a link to the report. Best first post, eva!
"What failures (colossal or otherwise) have you been involved in that could be attributed to Executive Hubris?""
Depends on the definition of "failure", these two are high on my "colossal" list: The industrial revolution, The global economy.
Yes, and so does Sudan, what's your point?
Hmmmm...what about: "And we'll have fun fun fun when the Dick puts the shotgun away".
Judging by the way the mods are going up and down, I think I struck a raw nerve with some ancient history.
This is slashdot, I absolutely refuse to RTFA. :)
Besides, $43M spread over a billion people amounts to $0.43 per head, hardly enough to buy everyone a fly-swatter.
"Africans are poor and poor people suck!"
I didn't know Paris Hilton posted on slashdot.
I'm not Batman, I don't do riddles.
"Most of these kids you'll teach probably wont have a mastery of algebra, let alone have the mental concept of complex systems like robotics."
I disagree (not with the algebra bit), they are teenagers and will see leggo as a kids toy (what teenager want's to be mentally defeated by a "toy", better to just ridicule it from day one). A well designed project that results in a simple robot that reacts to light and/or sound will encourage some of them to find out more by themselves. That's what HS is supposed to be about, giving you a basic education and a taste of things that might interest you later.
As an example when one of my kids was in HS he came home from his first computer class with one sheet of paper and said to me "they reckon this is a years worth of work". I read the project he had been given, it was basically the requirements for a simple database with each stage of the project adding more complexity. I gave it back and said that if he could do that in a year and pass he could claim to know something about programming and databases. He did a great job and at the same time he setup and ran his own BB on an old PC (circa-1995). My youngest kids HS maths teacher used a spreadsheet to teach basic algebra (when a lot of teachers were still avoiding the new fangled "computer room"). Both were fucking brilliant ideas for teaching the subject at hand and the kids were actually interested in what they were doing.
As for TFA, I won't say anything about electronic because I know just enough to get laughed at on slashdot, however as some other posters have suggested, use a popular language, maybe "template" the source and let them fill in the blanks to flatten the learning curve a bit.
Not sure what the budjet is, but perhaps each kid could build a simple "robotic cricket" and let them all loose in the gym at the end of the course.
Okayyyy....I will drop back a gear or two and eleaborate my request for you to eleborate. :)
Who are "they" and what "$43M"?
"specialize in the obvious [US] jokes as I do"
Relax, I'm not trying to steal your jokes. Many people in my country wouldn't know who Cheney was, even if he shot them!
PS: The reason Gough diliberately clogged up the works? - A big part of his government's "agenda" was to change Australia into a Republic with an Australian head of state, his sacking was the result of an ill-concived plan to force the "issue" to a climax.
Elaborate?
Yep!
:)
Considering his current popularity the line "Run away, run-run-awayeyeyey, from the vice, pressss-ident" turned out to be quite prophetic