How much longer do we have to put up with the "weatherman" red herring. Climate is the long term statistics of weather, if you can't understand that then you are either a troll, willfully ignorant, or simply a wanker without a clue.
No offense but there are people in all cultures who make a big thing of thier wedding. If you want a big wedding then go for it but don't fall into the trap of thinking it is something you need.
My own wedding was at a private home, it cost $200 in 1980, $40 went to the celebrant who felt sorry for us and gave $20 back. We were definitely young and impulsive but we spent 20 (mainly good) years together and I have two grown children that more than make up for the not so good years.
Depends, incompetent at what? The cops already recognise they are not competent enough to analyse what is on the machine so they send it to somebody who is. The same is true for all sorts of evidence that gets sent "to the lab".
To me it seems like competent police work to hand this sort of thing to experts. To those who run TOR it sucks that law enforcement is a blunt instrument, but what choice does a competent cop have other than to "sieze all the computers and let the lab sort em out"?
"I know that the time my grandfather speaks of will never return"
Mainly because it never existed in the first place. Older people (like me) tend to talk of the "good ol' days" because the human mind represses bad memories and enhances good ones. For example, a pack of smokes in the 70's cost $0.50, but by the same token in 1976 I was taking home $60/week.
I do agree with the population thing but how do you stop people breeding without resorting to a totalitarian state?
"You wanna put tobacco inside? Be my guest, unless you're on a publically supported or group medical plan that I pay into, in which case I get to have a word in."
Ummm, I pay into the same fund, ie: I have to support an arsehole like you therefore you have to support an arsehole like me. Do you really think that doctors should not treat drunks, bad drivers, jay walkers, attempted suicides?
"6 joints/yr per capita"
Please cite one recorded death from MJ (executions don't count).
"everyone and their uncle knocking back at least a couple of stubbies a day"
Everyone? I don't drink.
"Nevermind the personal health effects, just add automobile"
Where did I say people should have a right to DUI, deaths from automobiles are counted seperately from alcohol deaths (at least on my pack of smokes). Being off your face and driving should be illegal no matter what the legal status of the substance used.
Like I said, what gives you and your meddling government the right to stop me injecting vegimite sandwiches if I so desire?
""Big Bang", whatever. When one tracks an animal or a person, one typically starts from the last known certainty. "It was here, maybe yesterday.""
The big bang theory started from the observation that all galaxies were "here" yesterday and have moved a bit further away today. It was developed the same way as every other scientific theory...
Observation => new/modified/stronger theory => prediction => observation, rinse and repeat.
"I'm not an advocate of Creationism, but they DO make one point that should sink in... There is no mechanism for maintaining the pedigree of scientific information."
"Pedigrees" mean nothing to science but are sometimes maintained through citation records.
"If I think I've come up with something which defies the laws of physics (like a perpetual motion machine or something), how do I find out which experimental results it would seem to contradict?"
Try the traditional publishing method, others will soon let you know what you have found / misunderstood.
"There is a need for a comprehensive, multilingual database of theories, experimental results, and their interdependencies."
You are free to join the existing "database" by educating yourself as to what science is/isn't.
"By your reasoning, we might go on to say that all narcotics should be legally available, even though the health effects of most of them are significantly worse than alcohol (and, I'd argue, tobacco)."
I am an Australian smoker, the label on my packet of smokes says....
Tobacco: ~20,000 deaths / year
Alcohol: ~1,800 deaths / year
Illicit drugs: ~640 deaths / year
Why should anyone mandate what poisions and herbs I am allowed to use on MY OWN BODY. Prohibition does not benifit anyone except the owners of privately run jails.
Ahhh, yeah...I wasn't trying to imply that what I wrote is how the current law stands, that is why I used quotes. Yes you legally own your morgaged house but it is similar to a frozen asset since you cannot sell it without clearing the morgage.
What I was trying to get across is that in normal circumstances the buyer and seller arrange and complete the transaction using their own lawyer and a bank. People like me try and read all the crap and understand it but in the end we are forced to trust that OUR bank/lawyer knows what they are doing. We should also expect this trust to be honoured in law, say by forcing the "proffesional" to take out insurance.
"Title insurance"
Means that I am covered for someone else's screw-ups, it also means that I first need to be aware I am responsible for someone else's screw-ups.
"how is the bank supposed to know the difference, anyway?"
If a bank/lawyer can't identify someone, then what hope has the customer got? Often the buyer and seller don't even meet each other until after settlement, if at all!
Instead of laws protecting the consumer against fuckwits and frauds in the financial paper mill, what we have are laws that protect, (ordered by priority), the mill, the fuckwits and the frauds/customers (ya caught me but I'm bankrupt). Sure, "the customer" has to pay for both the shit and the sugar otherwise the mill will collapse. However, shifting blame to an individual customer in a particular fuck-up/fraud and punishing them with a crippling debt or bankruptcy, may be legal, but it is certainly not reasonable.
"Who knows? Maybe at somepoint some whacked law maker will make a twinkie illegal, and those searches that you made so that you could distill your own will be akin to taking a walk on the Dark Side."
An Italian(EU) company uses US laws to shut down a US company's stand at a German(EU) show. Someone is being silly but it's not the Italians!
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"My other reply? This was my only post in this thread...As for whacking my kids with anything...Any more unsubstantiated trolling based on distortion of words left to do today?"
Sorry, I confused you with someone else, however we all make mistakes and I humbly retract that accusation from my post. Speaking of mistakes, you are confusing me with someone who thinks a mild smack is abuse and then building a strawman on top of that confusion.
"...first I'd have to produce some[kids]"
That would explain the "armchair expert" attitude you have. Do yourself a favour and watch a couple of episodes of "super nanny", you may actually learn something that most sucessfull parents already know.
If you eventually do get around to breeding and manage to stick around for the requisite 18+ years, you will experience a mixture of rage and frustration that only your child can inspire. How you handle those situations is what makes you a saint, a monster, or something more mortal between the two extremes.
Should read "are often young ( less than 40 ) and/or dim-witted."
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"You should inform yourself about child abuse and get some perspective."
Umm, look at my other posts and the reply from the OP, you will find my "hunch" about his dads behaviour was correct. Also if you are still whacking your kids with a belt as you indicate in your other reply then it is you who needs to step back for a bit of perspective.
If you took the time to inform rather than defend yourself, you would know there is a world of difference between a "smack on the head" and being "beaten black and blue". OTOH: I do realise, and have met, people who use their parents as scapegoats for their own adult fuck-ups. I have also found people who do that are often young ( "Have you ever been smacked?"
What a moronic question! Do you know anyone that was taught "fire burns" by having their hand held down on a hotplate? No, how about someone bashed into a three month coma because dad ran out of grog? Would you say it's abuse to knock a 12yro's front teeth out because they are scared to swim in the deep end, or was the wimpy little brat "asking for it"?
K.Revees said it best in the movie parenthood:- "You need a license to keep dogs but any butt-reaming arsehole can be a father".
BTW: I had a "happy childhood" and love my dad dearly, my ex-wife was not so fortunate.
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I landed in Oz from the UK as a 5yro in 1964, my youngest brother often brought home venomous snakes and kept them in glass cages, he is now a zoologist who runs NT "safari's" in a 4WD mini-bus.
"Very much so, since I haven't seen him since I was 7, because of the very same temper."
My old man used to smack us on the bare arse with a cane, however I never saw him as a violent man as he rarely hit out in anger/fear, I always knew why I was being punished. Also "the cane/strap" was a "social norm" in the '60s, no different to the one used by the head master at school. OTOH: My ex-wife is now 44 and still hasn't fully overcome the phycological and behavioural damage inflicted by her father.
"However he had a point I suppose. I was, um, swinging it around my head....."
He still failed to explain the point, he should have sat you down and told you to make sure when you swing a stingray around your head that you hold it by the blunt end, you know, like all the other kids do. Maybe even enforced it with something along the lines of, "Now, if I catch you swinging a stingray by the tail again, I will give you a hiding".
"Ever play Jellyfish tennis?"
LOL yes, also jellyfish cricket and a round or two of cane toad golf. A freinds 4yro amazed me on a recent trip to the beach, he "punched out" a 2-3 foot long Port Jackson shark that had "attacked" him.
"Huh? I've been mentioning cases of scientific voting."
Sorry wrong slashdotter, I thought you were the same user that I originally replied to.
"And, of course, facts are not really amenable to democracy."
When the "fact" is an observation, democracy comes into play. Witness "cold fusion in a styrofoam cup", because the observation could not be repeated it was "democraticaly" (and rapidly) rejected by science.
Other "facts" such as 2+2=4 are just the consequences of axioms and rules within a predefined system used for building an idealised model. The axioms and rules can be "democraticaly" changed but the consequenses of applying any given set of axioms and rules is "not really amenable to democracy"
"Often "consensus" is a better term"
Agreed, the term democracy suggests scientists use the same methods as politicians to derive their answers.
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"but you will be hurt by your Dad."
Only if he catches you!!! Since the GP "didn't know why" it follows that "dad" did not impart any survival knowlage other than how to avoid a smack in the head from "dad", ( ie: "don't get caught by dad" instead of "stingrays are dangerous" ). Communicating with your kids via the "do as I say or I will bash you again" method only teaches them to fear and avoid you. Why do you think kids run away from violent homes as soon as they reach puberty?
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"I didn't know why"
No offence but it's a pity your dad thought you were too stupid to understand a less violent means of communication.
The first fish I caught as a child in Oz was a "toadie", I wanted to take it home and cook it until I was told it was poisionous. I was also stung (in the leg) by a small ray when I accidently stepped on one at the beach, hurt like hell but I didn't get sick. I can only figure the one that got Steve must have been the size of a dinning room table.
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Bindi's are painfull little bastards that stick to your feet, an excellent descrpition of a small child.
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"Speaking of which, who was watching the kids anyway?"
Who do you think feeds the crocs when Steve & Terri are not home?
"As for the purchaser, it is up to him to do his due diligence by investigating the chain of title and the identity of the seller."
Unless this was all done with cash then it is the buyers bank who "owns" the house and the sellers bank who "owned" it before it was sold (if you don't belive me then miss a few morgage payments and see what happens). If anyone is to be punished for ignoring "due dilligence" then it should be the banks. However as the summary states the law favours banks, so joe-homeowner becomes the victim even if he was dilligent in seeking settlement via a property lawyer and finance via a bank.
In other words the two victims (owner and buyer) are banks, however they are sheilded from loss by laws that allow them to pass the "due dilligence" buck to their customers.
Had I belived there was one dfinition I would have wrote "The scientific method".
Funny thing is I also have a BSc in computer science, however after 20yrs in the industry I don't think of it as being "silly". Anyway, to paraphrase "cool hand luke", what we have here today are two "scientists" arguing about "what is science".
Do you still think that "Science is not a democracy" and that "Facts, definitions and terms are not up for a vote." or was that just a troll?
BTW: History is an arts degree, archeology is a science degree.
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"Actually, a blanket cannot warm you just as a gas cannot warm you."
So we can all save a fortune next winter by throwing away our gas heaters and electric blankets?
Disclaimer: The above statement is just as silly as your attempt to nit-pick.
How much longer do we have to put up with the "weatherman" red herring. Climate is the long term statistics of weather, if you can't understand that then you are either a troll, willfully ignorant, or simply a wanker without a clue.
No offense but there are people in all cultures who make a big thing of thier wedding. If you want a big wedding then go for it but don't fall into the trap of thinking it is something you need.
My own wedding was at a private home, it cost $200 in 1980, $40 went to the celebrant who felt sorry for us and gave $20 back. We were definitely young and impulsive but we spent 20 (mainly good) years together and I have two grown children that more than make up for the not so good years.
Glad someone here can talk sense.
Depends, incompetent at what? The cops already recognise they are not competent enough to analyse what is on the machine so they send it to somebody who is. The same is true for all sorts of evidence that gets sent "to the lab".
To me it seems like competent police work to hand this sort of thing to experts. To those who run TOR it sucks that law enforcement is a blunt instrument, but what choice does a competent cop have other than to "sieze all the computers and let the lab sort em out"?
"I know that the time my grandfather speaks of will never return"
Mainly because it never existed in the first place. Older people (like me) tend to talk of the "good ol' days" because the human mind represses bad memories and enhances good ones. For example, a pack of smokes in the 70's cost $0.50, but by the same token in 1976 I was taking home $60/week.
I do agree with the population thing but how do you stop people breeding without resorting to a totalitarian state?
"You wanna put tobacco inside? Be my guest, unless you're on a publically supported or group medical plan that I pay into, in which case I get to have a word in."
Ummm, I pay into the same fund, ie: I have to support an arsehole like you therefore you have to support an arsehole like me. Do you really think that doctors should not treat drunks, bad drivers, jay walkers, attempted suicides?
"6 joints/yr per capita"
Please cite one recorded death from MJ (executions don't count).
"everyone and their uncle knocking back at least a couple of stubbies a day"
Everyone? I don't drink.
"Nevermind the personal health effects, just add automobile"
Where did I say people should have a right to DUI, deaths from automobiles are counted seperately from alcohol deaths (at least on my pack of smokes). Being off your face and driving should be illegal no matter what the legal status of the substance used.
Like I said, what gives you and your meddling government the right to stop me injecting vegimite sandwiches if I so desire?
""Big Bang", whatever. When one tracks an animal or a person, one typically starts from the last known certainty. "It was here, maybe yesterday.""
The big bang theory started from the observation that all galaxies were "here" yesterday and have moved a bit further away today. It was developed the same way as every other scientific theory...
Observation => new/modified/stronger theory => prediction => observation, rinse and repeat.
"I'm not an advocate of Creationism, but they DO make one point that should sink in... There is no mechanism for maintaining the pedigree of scientific information."
"Pedigrees" mean nothing to science but are sometimes maintained through citation records.
"If I think I've come up with something which defies the laws of physics (like a perpetual motion machine or something), how do I find out which experimental results it would seem to contradict?"
Try the traditional publishing method, others will soon let you know what you have found / misunderstood.
"There is a need for a comprehensive, multilingual database of theories, experimental results, and their interdependencies."
You are free to join the existing "database" by educating yourself as to what science is/isn't.
"By your reasoning, we might go on to say that all narcotics should be legally available, even though the health effects of most of them are significantly worse than alcohol (and, I'd argue, tobacco)."
I am an Australian smoker, the label on my packet of smokes says....
Tobacco: ~20,000 deaths / year
Alcohol: ~1,800 deaths / year
Illicit drugs: ~640 deaths / year
Why should anyone mandate what poisions and herbs I am allowed to use on MY OWN BODY. Prohibition does not benifit anyone except the owners of privately run jails.
Ahhh, yeah...I wasn't trying to imply that what I wrote is how the current law stands, that is why I used quotes. Yes you legally own your morgaged house but it is similar to a frozen asset since you cannot sell it without clearing the morgage.
What I was trying to get across is that in normal circumstances the buyer and seller arrange and complete the transaction using their own lawyer and a bank. People like me try and read all the crap and understand it but in the end we are forced to trust that OUR bank/lawyer knows what they are doing. We should also expect this trust to be honoured in law, say by forcing the "proffesional" to take out insurance.
"Title insurance"
Means that I am covered for someone else's screw-ups, it also means that I first need to be aware I am responsible for someone else's screw-ups.
"how is the bank supposed to know the difference, anyway?"
If a bank/lawyer can't identify someone, then what hope has the customer got? Often the buyer and seller don't even meet each other until after settlement, if at all!
Instead of laws protecting the consumer against fuckwits and frauds in the financial paper mill, what we have are laws that protect, (ordered by priority), the mill, the fuckwits and the frauds/customers (ya caught me but I'm bankrupt). Sure, "the customer" has to pay for both the shit and the sugar otherwise the mill will collapse. However, shifting blame to an individual customer in a particular fuck-up/fraud and punishing them with a crippling debt or bankruptcy, may be legal, but it is certainly not reasonable.
His artificial voice also appeared on the Pink Floyd track "Keep Talking"....
"For millions of years mankind lived just like animals. Then something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination. We learned to talk."
Not as funny as the simpsons but far more ironic.
"A method of doing integrals via computer software is still a mathematical method"
A method of doing ANYTHING via computer software is still a mathematical method.
"Who knows? Maybe at somepoint some whacked law maker will make a twinkie illegal, and those searches that you made so that you could distill your own will be akin to taking a walk on the Dark Side."
Ease up on the distilled twinkies and RTFA.
"silly companies"
An Italian(EU) company uses US laws to shut down a US company's stand at a German(EU) show. Someone is being silly but it's not the Italians!
"My other reply? This was my only post in this thread...As for whacking my kids with anything...Any more unsubstantiated trolling based on distortion of words left to do today?"
Sorry, I confused you with someone else, however we all make mistakes and I humbly retract that accusation from my post. Speaking of mistakes, you are confusing me with someone who thinks a mild smack is abuse and then building a strawman on top of that confusion.
"...first I'd have to produce some[kids]"
That would explain the "armchair expert" attitude you have. Do yourself a favour and watch a couple of episodes of "super nanny", you may actually learn something that most sucessfull parents already know.
If you eventually do get around to breeding and manage to stick around for the requisite 18+ years, you will experience a mixture of rage and frustration that only your child can inspire. How you handle those situations is what makes you a saint, a monster, or something more mortal between the two extremes.
"are often young ("
Should read "are often young ( less than 40 ) and/or dim-witted."
"You should inform yourself about child abuse and get some perspective."
Umm, look at my other posts and the reply from the OP, you will find my "hunch" about his dads behaviour was correct. Also if you are still whacking your kids with a belt as you indicate in your other reply then it is you who needs to step back for a bit of perspective.
If you took the time to inform rather than defend yourself, you would know there is a world of difference between a "smack on the head" and being "beaten black and blue". OTOH: I do realise, and have met, people who use their parents as scapegoats for their own adult fuck-ups. I have also found people who do that are often young (
"Have you ever been smacked?"
What a moronic question! Do you know anyone that was taught "fire burns" by having their hand held down on a hotplate? No, how about someone bashed into a three month coma because dad ran out of grog? Would you say it's abuse to knock a 12yro's front teeth out because they are scared to swim in the deep end, or was the wimpy little brat "asking for it"?
K.Revees said it best in the movie parenthood:- "You need a license to keep dogs but any butt-reaming arsehole can be a father".
BTW: I had a "happy childhood" and love my dad dearly, my ex-wife was not so fortunate.
I landed in Oz from the UK as a 5yro in 1964, my youngest brother often brought home venomous snakes and kept them in glass cages, he is now a zoologist who runs NT "safari's" in a 4WD mini-bus.
"Very much so, since I haven't seen him since I was 7, because of the very same temper."
My old man used to smack us on the bare arse with a cane, however I never saw him as a violent man as he rarely hit out in anger/fear, I always knew why I was being punished. Also "the cane/strap" was a "social norm" in the '60s, no different to the one used by the head master at school. OTOH: My ex-wife is now 44 and still hasn't fully overcome the phycological and behavioural damage inflicted by her father.
"However he had a point I suppose. I was, um, swinging it around my head....."
He still failed to explain the point, he should have sat you down and told you to make sure when you swing a stingray around your head that you hold it by the blunt end, you know, like all the other kids do. Maybe even enforced it with something along the lines of, "Now, if I catch you swinging a stingray by the tail again, I will give you a hiding".
"Ever play Jellyfish tennis?"
LOL yes, also jellyfish cricket and a round or two of cane toad golf. A freinds 4yro amazed me on a recent trip to the beach, he "punched out" a 2-3 foot long Port Jackson shark that had "attacked" him.
"Huh? I've been mentioning cases of scientific voting."
Sorry wrong slashdotter, I thought you were the same user that I originally replied to.
"And, of course, facts are not really amenable to democracy."
When the "fact" is an observation, democracy comes into play. Witness "cold fusion in a styrofoam cup", because the observation could not be repeated it was "democraticaly" (and rapidly) rejected by science.
Other "facts" such as 2+2=4 are just the consequences of axioms and rules within a predefined system used for building an idealised model. The axioms and rules can be "democraticaly" changed but the consequenses of applying any given set of axioms and rules is "not really amenable to democracy"
"Often "consensus" is a better term"
Agreed, the term democracy suggests scientists use the same methods as politicians to derive their answers.
"but you will be hurt by your Dad."
Only if he catches you!!! Since the GP "didn't know why" it follows that "dad" did not impart any survival knowlage other than how to avoid a smack in the head from "dad", ( ie: "don't get caught by dad" instead of "stingrays are dangerous" ). Communicating with your kids via the "do as I say or I will bash you again" method only teaches them to fear and avoid you. Why do you think kids run away from violent homes as soon as they reach puberty?
"I didn't know why"
No offence but it's a pity your dad thought you were too stupid to understand a less violent means of communication.
The first fish I caught as a child in Oz was a "toadie", I wanted to take it home and cook it until I was told it was poisionous. I was also stung (in the leg) by a small ray when I accidently stepped on one at the beach, hurt like hell but I didn't get sick. I can only figure the one that got Steve must have been the size of a dinning room table.
Bindi's are painfull little bastards that stick to your feet, an excellent descrpition of a small child.
"Speaking of which, who was watching the kids anyway?"
Who do you think feeds the crocs when Steve & Terri are not home?
"As for the purchaser, it is up to him to do his due diligence by investigating the chain of title and the identity of the seller."
Unless this was all done with cash then it is the buyers bank who "owns" the house and the sellers bank who "owned" it before it was sold (if you don't belive me then miss a few morgage payments and see what happens). If anyone is to be punished for ignoring "due dilligence" then it should be the banks. However as the summary states the law favours banks, so joe-homeowner becomes the victim even if he was dilligent in seeking settlement via a property lawyer and finance via a bank.
In other words the two victims (owner and buyer) are banks, however they are sheilded from loss by laws that allow them to pass the "due dilligence" buck to their customers.
Had I belived there was one dfinition I would have wrote "The scientific method".
Funny thing is I also have a BSc in computer science, however after 20yrs in the industry I don't think of it as being "silly". Anyway, to paraphrase "cool hand luke", what we have here today are two "scientists" arguing about "what is science".
Do you still think that "Science is not a democracy" and that "Facts, definitions and terms are not up for a vote." or was that just a troll?
BTW: History is an arts degree, archeology is a science degree.