He is full of it. First off FAA grants 'Authority' to R/C UAS via voluntary suggestions, not regulations. (AC 91-57)
You are correct AMA has ZERO legal standing or authority. They are at best an insurance company.
The only thing that is now being questioned is whether or not the FAA followed proper administrative procedures when it designated commercial (paid) hobby flight as not covered by AC 91-57. The problem is the can of worms it opens, regardless of the ruling. Someone selling a hobby R/C airplane is engaged is business, are they not? Will the FAA go after all of them? Even though they only sell to non-commercial hobbyists? Not likely.
"UAVs are already regulated under existing rules. For example, the term aircraft [faa-aircra...cation.com] is defined as follows:
A device that is used or intended to be used for flight in the air."
So all paper airplanes made by kids meet that definition. Is that what you are implying?
"(except toys, of course)"
No that is the exact problem. There is no definition for "of course"
The First Person View R/C aircraft I fly every other day is a toy. It is for a hobby. That it somehow magically changes into something else when I fly it for pay is ridiculous. I am just now flying my toy for pay. Maybe my profession is now taxed, but the rules that apply to my toy are no different.
Dad, offers his kid $.50 to make a good paper airplane. New set of rules?
FAA Advisory Circular 91 57, defines "model aircraft", they are not aircraft, nor are they required to operate under aircraft rules.
And in fact, any rules the FAA has regarding model aircraft are merely suggestions; "PURPOSE. This advisory circular outlines, and encourages voluntary
compliance with, safety standards for model aircraft operators."
I'm not saying that takes them off the hook for being operated dangerously, but that is covered by other "intent to cause harm" laws, nothing from the FAA.
Yes, this New York guy was an idiot, and operating with reckless endangerment
The first AND only FAA case against model aircraft, is currently in court, and presently a motion to dismiss has been presented and is being considered.
No, the problem is people that think they understand, when they do not.
First, a telepresence robot you describe is really a remote control camera, not a robot. But yes, a dime a dozen.
Where did you get the idea to use the word behavior? It has absolutely nothing to with what you are describing.
Difference between a black rug and cliff. I don't know maybe a distance sensor for christ sakes. again, stop guessing. The fact that your roomba didn't add a $.35 sonar sensor IS a manufacturing problem just as described. The fact that roomba couldn't be bothered with slam, like Neato did, is a consumer rip-off problem.
You are semi correct that ROS was intended to create libraries (not behaviors) of common useful tasks. Totally wrong as to previous frameworks. But as usual, and here is where I will get into trouble with the open source crowd again, the open source implementations were/is horrible. Microsoft robotics, eventually lead to WCF, and is even being built into the next generation of hardware (multiple processing units attached to multiple storage/sensing units on common bus). ROS lead to... nothing. Maybe someone with some vision will wake up at Microsoft and identify a commercial venue and re-pursue robotics, but until someone with profit as a motive gets involved, robotics is doomed. Will Google save us? Maybe if Apple sells a gold colored robot people will sleep in line for it.
Miley's tit size would generate more discussion on slash dot.
Why is robotics so ignored/boring/avoided, by even a tech community?
I am seriously starting to believe what I said earlier, about war being robotics only chance. Fly a drone remotely, kill people, bam, tons of interests. Let's add walking robots with fully automatics to it and invade, I don't know, pick any middle east country, maybe iraq again. Sorry folks need to die, but progress must be helped along, so we can use robotics to help people.
You may be right. But you are over simplifying it. Robot magazine (or was it servo?) published a series of articles where someone basically built their own robot compatible with PR2. I think it was in the $1000 price range.
It's more like even something like the $500,000 pr2 is still pretty useless for anything but research. Prices need to come down orders of magnitudes more. Chicken or the egg? Until someone can market a $5 million dollar robot for $299, human size, robots will never make it into mainstream.
Frankly our only hope is that such a thing is developed for war.
Given all the conspiracy theories about the NSA lately, at very least these incidents have me dreaming up a new sci-fi novel, if not full out wondering if it was just a coverup for something way more diabolical.
I do believe in souls. Not religion, but souls. But I also believe they are also part of an explainable, repeatable machine, perhaps at a quantum level.
Man will, at some point be able to reproduce Man's Intelligence, and beyond that even personality/soul. I've always felt it will take a different direction in hardware, but it will happen. There is nothing that spectacular about humans.
yeah, they can arrest him, that is obvious.The law still allows stupid people to do stupid things, like make arrests for ridiculous reasons.
but in most cases (but not all) you are still entitled to a trial by your peers, for the exact reason of preventing stupidness from becoming final.
go to trial, with a jury, and tell the panzy ass teachers, administration, and poor excuse for a parent on the other side to lick your balls (metaphorically). If they then find you guilty, you will then realize you are living in a country where jail is the better place
Bicycle helmet laws anyone? As far as I am concerned we overprotect already, and as much as I would like to claim that I switched from republican to democrat, stuff like this keeps me from committing to the party of overbearing regulation.
good point, accepted. I'm not the most tactful writer, and people who read here are not my drinking buddies, I care less what they think, fuck em.
It's just when you're labeled a troll because someone doesn't like your point, that it twerks me a little. I generally think of trolls as people who make shit up just to argue. Labeling them trolls is like calling them liars, to me. I guess I need to read up on what the slashdot moderator definition of trolling is next time I have points.
What better way to "protect" people, than through analytics? Or is the tradeoff that we don't want the best (or at least better protection) if it means ATT will be able market to us?
Every technology advancement comes with potential for abuse, hell I think they tried to teach that lesson in the first Star Treks. I have seen nothing that shows the data is being abused in any way. I know of lot's of cases, mostly unknown to the public, where the data has stopped events like the Boston marathon. That one got through, sure, but have you thought about how many don't?
Yeah, and a sample license plate tracker comes with openCV these days. Takes about 20 minutes to put together a tracker that observes all visitors to the adult movie booth place down the street, and another hour or two in front of the government offices to associate license plates with bureaucrats. You know what they say, "information is power."
I'm still pissed I was labeled a troll when I mentioned that there was no privacy in the US. And since then 1/4 of all news stories have been about how we have so much less privacy than anyone thought.
Want to discuss wireless tire pressure gauges in your tires, how 4 somewhat constant numbers (or at least predictable changes) can be read from sensors in the road, and have been on cars for 10+ years? I know, another conspiracy theory.
For every 4 surveillance things you know about, there are 100 others you don't, half of which have been used somewhere sometime.
So give up on the privacy whining. You don't have and will never get it back. And the biggest point, WTF do you care for? You think anyone cares you are butt fucking your same sex roommate? Society doesn't care anymore. The poeple who will use that info against you will find out some other way. The only dumbasses who care about privacy are the ones doing something they know to be illegal, immoral or otherwise dangerous. I bet Castro was a privacy advocate.
Of course there is more than one person working at NSA. For each who works to make sure encryption is uncrackable, there is another who knows exactly how to crack it.
They walk a fine line, making/trying to insure only they can break it. And yes, things do leak out. A few posts ago mentioned backdoors in hardware, and how it was never covered in the news. But it is. I specifically remember a certain chip being found out about, and blam, the story disappeared. To many, NSA does a good job, they know how to manipulate public information - threats in the right place at the right time, also first hand knowledge.
Simple question; If the encryption you think you (the generic you) know so much about is secure, why does the US military use something else?
Yep, The US with an army 10 times larger than the next 20 combined (or somthing like that) has a majority of FUCKING IDIOTS.
And the chief idiot party is doing all it can to seize control.
If the rest of the world isn't already scared, they should be.
Don't think the government will hand out permits to destroy government property? You haven't lived in one of these Conservative cities where the chief judge dies from a cocaine overdose on a golf course during working (paid) hours (Rogersville, TN). They make idiots look like pHDs there.
why the fuck does putting a corporate logo on something make it better than a government label?
And you do realize the government intercepts and uses all the face tags on facebook right? It is why the government lets them pay 0 taxes. You've been voluntarily working for them (the government) giving/classifying information for years.
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He is full of it. First off FAA grants 'Authority' to R/C UAS via voluntary suggestions, not regulations. (AC 91-57)
You are correct AMA has ZERO legal standing or authority. They are at best an insurance company.
The only thing that is now being questioned is whether or not the FAA followed proper administrative procedures when it designated commercial (paid) hobby flight as not covered by AC 91-57. The problem is the can of worms it opens, regardless of the ruling. Someone selling a hobby R/C airplane is engaged is business, are they not? Will the FAA go after all of them? Even though they only sell to non-commercial hobbyists? Not likely.
"UAVs are already regulated under existing rules. For example, the term aircraft [faa-aircra...cation.com] is defined as follows:
A device that is used or intended to be used for flight in the air."
So all paper airplanes made by kids meet that definition. Is that what you are implying?
"(except toys, of course)"
No that is the exact problem. There is no definition for "of course"
The First Person View R/C aircraft I fly every other day is a toy. It is for a hobby. That it somehow magically changes into something else when I fly it for pay is ridiculous. I am just now flying my toy for pay. Maybe my profession is now taxed, but the rules that apply to my toy are no different.
Dad, offers his kid $.50 to make a good paper airplane. New set of rules?
show it.
You are making that up, or heard from someone who did.
You can start with FAA Advisory circular 91-57, note that it is voluntary and not regulation, and go from there.
Sorry, you missed it entirely.
FAA Advisory Circular 91 57, defines "model aircraft", they are not aircraft, nor are they required to operate under aircraft rules.
And in fact, any rules the FAA has regarding model aircraft are merely suggestions; "PURPOSE. This advisory circular outlines, and encourages voluntary compliance with, safety standards for model aircraft operators."
I'm not saying that takes them off the hook for being operated dangerously, but that is covered by other "intent to cause harm" laws, nothing from the FAA.
Yes, this New York guy was an idiot, and operating with reckless endangerment
The first AND only FAA case against model aircraft, is currently in court, and presently a motion to dismiss has been presented and is being considered.
No, the problem is people that think they understand, when they do not.
... nothing. Maybe someone with some vision will wake up at Microsoft and identify a commercial venue and re-pursue robotics, but until someone with profit as a motive gets involved, robotics is doomed. Will Google save us? Maybe if Apple sells a gold colored robot people will sleep in line for it.
First, a telepresence robot you describe is really a remote control camera, not a robot. But yes, a dime a dozen.
Where did you get the idea to use the word behavior? It has absolutely nothing to with what you are describing.
Difference between a black rug and cliff. I don't know maybe a distance sensor for christ sakes. again, stop guessing. The fact that your roomba didn't add a $.35 sonar sensor IS a manufacturing problem just as described. The fact that roomba couldn't be bothered with slam, like Neato did, is a consumer rip-off problem.
You are semi correct that ROS was intended to create libraries (not behaviors) of common useful tasks. Totally wrong as to previous frameworks. But as usual, and here is where I will get into trouble with the open source crowd again, the open source implementations were/is horrible. Microsoft robotics, eventually lead to WCF, and is even being built into the next generation of hardware (multiple processing units attached to multiple storage/sensing units on common bus). ROS lead to
That pretty much explains it, right there.
Miley's tit size would generate more discussion on slash dot.
Why is robotics so ignored/boring/avoided, by even a tech community?
I am seriously starting to believe what I said earlier, about war being robotics only chance. Fly a drone remotely, kill people, bam, tons of interests. Let's add walking robots with fully automatics to it and invade, I don't know, pick any middle east country, maybe iraq again. Sorry folks need to die, but progress must be helped along, so we can use robotics to help people.
You may be right. But you are over simplifying it. Robot magazine (or was it servo?) published a series of articles where someone basically built their own robot compatible with PR2. I think it was in the $1000 price range.
It's more like even something like the $500,000 pr2 is still pretty useless for anything but research. Prices need to come down orders of magnitudes more. Chicken or the egg? Until someone can market a $5 million dollar robot for $299, human size, robots will never make it into mainstream.
Frankly our only hope is that such a thing is developed for war.
So Microsoft abandoned robotics.
Open source (Willow Garage) is abandoning robotics.
Who is going to fulfill my lifelong fantasy started as a child of robots in real life? Google?
I do not understand how something so pivotal in humanities history, can become so hopeless.
Then again, I remember how completely let down and disgusted I was when 2001 came. It was nothing like the movie.
Turns out I have had false hope about mankind all along.
Given all the conspiracy theories about the NSA lately, at very least these incidents have me dreaming up a new sci-fi novel, if not full out wondering if it was just a coverup for something way more diabolical.
yeah, I mean like no one has ever considered it before
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mind
And even though I carefully chose the wording "perhaps" your reading comprehension level could not understand it's context.
speaking of ignorance.....
I do believe in souls. Not religion, but souls. But I also believe they are also part of an explainable, repeatable machine, perhaps at a quantum level.
Man will, at some point be able to reproduce Man's Intelligence, and beyond that even personality/soul. I've always felt it will take a different direction in hardware, but it will happen. There is nothing that spectacular about humans.
yeah, they can arrest him, that is obvious.The law still allows stupid people to do stupid things, like make arrests for ridiculous reasons.
but in most cases (but not all) you are still entitled to a trial by your peers, for the exact reason of preventing stupidness from becoming final.
go to trial, with a jury, and tell the panzy ass teachers, administration, and poor excuse for a parent on the other side to lick your balls (metaphorically). If they then find you guilty, you will then realize you are living in a country where jail is the better place
Bicycle helmet laws anyone? As far as I am concerned we overprotect already, and as much as I would like to claim that I switched from republican to democrat, stuff like this keeps me from committing to the party of overbearing regulation.
BTW,
"BTW, does the bridge you live under have EZ-Pass?"
http://www.pbase.com/mikep/image/152069058
That is one of my newest neighbors. 3 of them WITHIN 1 block. You think I think I have privacy?
good point, accepted. I'm not the most tactful writer, and people who read here are not my drinking buddies, I care less what they think, fuck em.
It's just when you're labeled a troll because someone doesn't like your point, that it twerks me a little. I generally think of trolls as people who make shit up just to argue. Labeling them trolls is like calling them liars, to me. I guess I need to read up on what the slashdot moderator definition of trolling is next time I have points.
What better way to "protect" people, than through analytics? Or is the tradeoff that we don't want the best (or at least better protection) if it means ATT will be able market to us?
Every technology advancement comes with potential for abuse, hell I think they tried to teach that lesson in the first Star Treks. I have seen nothing that shows the data is being abused in any way. I know of lot's of cases, mostly unknown to the public, where the data has stopped events like the Boston marathon. That one got through, sure, but have you thought about how many don't?
Yeah, and a sample license plate tracker comes with openCV these days. Takes about 20 minutes to put together a tracker that observes all visitors to the adult movie booth place down the street, and another hour or two in front of the government offices to associate license plates with bureaucrats. You know what they say, "information is power."
I'm still pissed I was labeled a troll when I mentioned that there was no privacy in the US. And since then 1/4 of all news stories have been about how we have so much less privacy than anyone thought.
Want to discuss wireless tire pressure gauges in your tires, how 4 somewhat constant numbers (or at least predictable changes) can be read from sensors in the road, and have been on cars for 10+ years? I know, another conspiracy theory.
For every 4 surveillance things you know about, there are 100 others you don't, half of which have been used somewhere sometime.
So give up on the privacy whining. You don't have and will never get it back. And the biggest point, WTF do you care for? You think anyone cares you are butt fucking your same sex roommate? Society doesn't care anymore. The poeple who will use that info against you will find out some other way. The only dumbasses who care about privacy are the ones doing something they know to be illegal, immoral or otherwise dangerous. I bet Castro was a privacy advocate.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
It only racist when someone assumes there is a race factor associated with being a ghetto.
I've lived in Washington DC, and East Tennessee, Seattle - I've seen ghettos composed of every race there is.
So what does being a ghetto have to do with being racist?
We're talking about Tennessee here, right?
Of course there is more than one person working at NSA. For each who works to make sure encryption is uncrackable, there is another who knows exactly how to crack it.
They walk a fine line, making/trying to insure only they can break it. And yes, things do leak out. A few posts ago mentioned backdoors in hardware, and how it was never covered in the news. But it is. I specifically remember a certain chip being found out about, and blam, the story disappeared. To many, NSA does a good job, they know how to manipulate public information - threats in the right place at the right time, also first hand knowledge.
Simple question; If the encryption you think you (the generic you) know so much about is secure, why does the US military use something else?
Man, I so wish there was a clueless moderation..
It is people like you, naive about reality, that has the US in the predicament it is today.
.... good luck.
Try suing the NSA, good luck.
Hell, try suing the IRS or even ATT for that matter, and for pretty much anything
And blame it on the president? WTF? Are you a silver spoon fed child?
Yep, The US with an army 10 times larger than the next 20 combined (or somthing like that) has a majority of FUCKING IDIOTS.
And the chief idiot party is doing all it can to seize control.
If the rest of the world isn't already scared, they should be.
Don't think the government will hand out permits to destroy government property? You haven't lived in one of these Conservative cities where the chief judge dies from a cocaine overdose on a golf course during working (paid) hours (Rogersville, TN). They make idiots look like pHDs there.
You mean google glasses from an iPhone, right?
why the fuck does putting a corporate logo on something make it better than a government label?
And you do realize the government intercepts and uses all the face tags on facebook right? It is why the government lets them pay 0 taxes. You've been voluntarily working for them (the government) giving/classifying information for years.
"HOW FUCKING STUPID HAS THE GENERAL PUBLIC BECOME? "
The head of the science committee in congress, an elected person, does not believe in dinosaurs and climate change.
WTF does that tell you about America at least?