no. you infringe copyright. stealing has to do with physical property. the riaa may call it stealing to make it sound more serious than it is, but that has nothing to do with the truth.
I think it's time P2P clients start including easy ways to ban entire IP blocks.
shareaza has an excellent security manager. there is also a periodic release of 'shareaza security updates' which include individual ips or ranges of ip blocks to exclude, such as those belonging to spammers, the riaa and friends, etc.
I bet a huge % of you's, already have the "disable sharing" feature on.
not only do i share 50gb of files, i *like* sharing, and so do all my online friends. many of the better p2p apps, such as emule and direct connect, you can't not share and still participate.
And I also bet, that if you seen what % of bandwidth your ISP is using (and how much they have to pay for this), to support your file swapping, you'd do the same thing.
wrong again. if i were an isp, i would come up with a reasonable pricing schecdule that passes on costs to consumer, such as $x/month + $y/gigabyte, instead of $x/month. this would be much better than imposing arbitrary restrictions as to what kind of apps people can run on their own systems.
Many of you obviously have no idea what it's like to run an ISP or administer a network.
obviously.
P2P uploads absolutely kill bandwidth.
no, it uses bandwidth. that's what we pay for, to have bandwidth to use.
Responsible use, like jumping on do download something specific and upload in the process isn't a bad thing,
translation: 'if you use your net connection like i do, you're "responsible". if you do things differently than me you're "irresponsible".'
but many dolts run uploads 24/7.
IPSs advertise their DSL connections as 'always on'. we purchase the right to use those connections 24/7. if that's a problem, then IPSs need to restructure their pricing schedule.
It doesn't matter what the download speed is when you can't get your responses out because the up-pipe is logjammed.
it's up to ISPs, like all businesses, to provide what their customers need. It used to be that people's use of the net was heavily skewed in favor of downloads, and so broadband tended to be configured for a lot of downloading with little uploading. with the increasing popularity of p2p, the balance is shifting more in favor of uploads, while the ISPs infrastructure has not caught up. that's all this 'logjam' is about.
A local ISP with 6 T1s has had their up-pipe maxed for literally months, when they blocked P2P uploads, the outgoing traffic went from an average of 98% to 25% and the download rates once again became normal.
so then, you're saying that the way for IPSs to make more bandwidth available is by preventing their customers from using it.
If you really want to know what P2P is all about, sit and talk with a technician from your local ISP.
no need. i can tell you right now what p2p is all about: it's about sharing files.
It has very little to do with RIAA, and everything to do with customer satisfaction.
no, it has a lot to do with the riaa. the current state of p2p has been greatly influenced by riaa actions. to claim otherwise is to ignore recent history.
Non-comercial home users sign contracts that say they're not going to run a server, that they're not going to expect same day engineer service etc. If you want a full service web host, you pay a very different amount. What OO are saying is that if you run a set up that is [effectively] a server, they may stop you.
bogus argument. no one who runs p2p apps expects 'same day engineer service', or that their isp should regard them as mission-critical.
They're still going to turn a blind eye to those users whose machines do a small amount of uploading because they're not abusing anything
neither they nor those who run p2p apps 24/7 are abusing anything. ISPs advertise their DSL connections as 'always on'. it's reasonable for people to use their connection 24/7 if they paid for an always on connection.
it's the ones who're using a masively disproportionate amount who're going to get capped to bring them back in to line.
instead of placing restrictions on users, it would be better if they were straightforward about it and came up with a pricing scheme where people who used more bandwidth would pay more. it's like a salad bar with a big sign out front saying "all you can eat buffet" and then disallowing people from getting more than 2 plates of food. it's just dishonest.
It had everything to do with them stopping some users from abusing a business model.
if a business model is capable of being abused, then it is seriously flawed. instead of trying to protect a flawed business model, why not just come up with a good one?
Nobody is complaining about the RIAA busting a large scale music pirating operation.
not true. i am complaining. i think everyone should infringe the riaa's copyrights as much as possible, and drive them out of business as soon as possible.
i don't agree that people who infringe copyright 'need' to be prosecuted. what is needed is for the riaa to be driven out of business. they are leeches and useless middlemen that produce nothing, minimizing the amount they pay artists while maximizing the amount they extract from consumers, without a care as to how their actions harm society. i, for one, applaud those who reduce the flow of money going to the music mafia, it would be great to see them driven out of business.
Most 'cheap' PCs don't. That has to be bought seperate. The monitor is going to double your cost tho.
not. you can find pleny of decent used 17" monitors (and that's probably overkill for an email/websurfing system) for $20-$80. I even came across someone selling 21" sun monitors for $50 each last week.
According to the screenshots, you have 600+ music files shared along with 200+ movie files.
According to the statistics from the ISP, your connection has rutinely been used to send an amount of data that corrosponds with one of the shared files size.
Neither may be direct evidence, but they'd be pretty convincing circumstatial evidence to me.
well, then you haven't thought this through thoroughly enough. you can't tell just by a file name and file size that a given file is a copyrighted work or a derivation thereof. 'star wars.avi' could be the copyrighted movie, or it could be a home video parody i made of star wars.
This is an obscure trade board with little or no policy making power that is likely to do little more that waste some more money.
are you guessing, or do you know for a fact what this board does? link, please?
Also, the fact the you'd go looking for GWB connections with this rather screams your conspiracy theorist paranoia, eh?
the fact that he found what he was looking for so quickly screams that he was on the mark, eh?
Now, if I was in Russia I might be concerned that this guy is going to push a bunch of mutant corn down my throat but, in Niceville, USA he's not going to have much impact.
depends on that the board does. it would be naive to assume that bush appointed him to this board to do nothing.
Of course, if genetically engineered food escapes into the wild, even on another continent, it will eventually come back to haunt us.
Many mainstream Israeli politicians and senior military figures support the ethnic cleansing, and in some cases liquidation of the Palestinians. Sounds awfully like Nazi policies towards Jews, gypsies and Slavs to me.
there are people who advocate hatred in every society. the nazis rounded up millions of civilians and slaughtered them. israelis have not. for you to equate the israelis with the nazis is ignorant.
Israel is a state which justifies its existence on religious/political tracts from over 2000 years ago.
no, it justifies its existence on the fact that every people deserves a homeland of their own where they are not persecuted and killed. every people deserves this at the very minimum, whether they be jews, kurds, or croatians.
Israel ignores UN resolutions and invades neighbouring states. Think the League of Nations and the appeasement of Hitler over Czechoslovakia.
israel invades neighbors defensively, in response to attacks, such as missiles and mortar fire coming from across the border in lebanon. the only times israel has captured and kept land *was when they were attacked by neighbors*! for you to equate them with hitler, who was the aggressor and started a war to take over other countries, just shows you are either completely ignorant of the facts, or, more likely, making a feeble attempt at misrepresenting them to forward your own jew-bashing agenda.
try educating yourself about the facts if you want to post about such issues. most likely you're just being a troll, though, i don't know why i waste my time responding to you.
you are correct, the us presence in saudi arabia is the main reason for the attack, afaict.
however, it should be noted that the saudi regime is a very corrupt one, it is a monarchy that does not represent the interests of the saudi people, and it exists in large part because of us support.
You give me something that will effectively block or limit all P2P traffic with 100% accuracy.
good. you shouldn't be trying to block p2p traffic. putting limits on how much bandwidth each person uses is reasonable, however.
I don't buy your sense of altruism here.
what's not to buy? i'm just stating a fact.
What friggin pie in the sky idealism. Benefit society? By sharing music? Are you real? Get off your high horse man.
you have a narrow view of p2p. sure i share some music, but other useful things as well - books on philosohpy, programming manuals, star office (which sun no longer has for free on its website), adobe acrobat (which other poor students can't afford to dish out $500 for), just to name a few.
high horse? i dont think so. i'm not claiming to be better than anyone else - i'm just happy to be able to do something to help other people.
I also defend all the other people on my network that are using their bandwidth for better reasons than grabbing their newest favorite artist's album.
speaking of high horse...
so you think that you're more important than other people, or that your use of the network is more justified than other people (which you've made a blanket assumption about what they are all using their bandwidth for)? perhaps while you're at it, you should rant about how other people shouldn't be allowed to use the phone lines unless what they're using the phone for is at least as important as what you're using it for. isps are called common carriers for a reason - they don't engage in narrowminded judgemental notions about who is using the network for what. everyone should have equal access to the network, to the phone lines, to drive on the highway, etc., without any consideration about what they're using it for.
As a sysadmin its a major headache to try and deal out bandwidth fairly.
so, what you're saying is, you're lazy and don't want to do your job right.
I don't care what you do with "your" bandwidth, as long as it doesn't effect mine.
it's affect, not effect.
i don't care that you breathe oxygen, as long as it doesn't decrease the amount of oxygen left in the world for me to breathe.
All you P2P advocates people are selfish and greedy.
really? i upload about 100x as much as i download. how is that greedy? it actually costs me money for the electricity to leave my pc running all the time, but i do it anyways, even though i'm hardly ever downloading anything. i do it to help other people, and to benefit society by (hopefully) depriving the riaa of income. so, are you still going to claim i'm greedy?
i think the truth is quite obvious - you're just mad that this use of bandwidth isn't going to be helping out *you*.
How much more responsive would the net be without P2P?
how much more responsive would the net be if we could get rid of all women/blacks/hispanics/old people/insert any other group you can think of here ?
It's simply not fair that I can't run a small personal website simply because a lot of horny P2P need more material
life's not fair. and you know, i really don't feel sorry for you at all.
also, your assumption, like the rest of your post, is false. i don't download or share porn.
God think about other people for once.
i think about other people all the time - when i share files, when i check them for correct filenames and to test that they work, and when i hash them and enter them into the bitzi.com database.
i guess what you really mean is, 'think about ME for once'.
Due to computer illiterates in my area leaving programs such as kazaa and the likes running
grow up. just because someone leaves a p2p app running all the time doesn't make them computer illiterate. you can insult people all you want, but it doesn't make your statements true.
i leave my p2p app running pretty much all the time. i do this not to benefit myself (i don't often download), but to benefit others, with the added side benefit of depriving the riaa of revenue.
-downloading tv shows (futurama, the simpsons, south park, etc.), which is no different than recording the shows on my vcr, except has the advantage of being more easily organized and no commercials.
-downloading copyrighted works that i already own on another media such as cassette tape or vhs that i want in digital format.
-i'm sharing a lot of public domain works that i've downloaded from project gutenberg (plato, aristotle, descartes, thoreau, etc).
-downloading/sharing star office 5.2, which sun no longer offers for free on their web site.
there's probably other uses that don't come to mind at the moment...
i'm sharing 1701 on gnutella, as are many people. that's the fastest way to download it if you already have a client that understands magnet links: magnet:?xt=urn:sha1:QQB67YHOQV5BSLCFS7JYV6 2QAPLWCF RB&dn=Shareaza1701.exe
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Sure, I steal music/movies.
no. you infringe copyright. stealing has to do with physical property. the riaa may call it stealing to make it sound more serious than it is, but that has nothing to do with the truth.
I think it's time P2P clients start including easy ways to ban entire IP blocks.
shareaza has an excellent security manager. there is also a periodic release of 'shareaza security updates' which include individual ips or ranges of ip blocks to exclude, such as those belonging to spammers, the riaa and friends, etc.
You can't (illegally) send ppl files over P2P.
wrong. you can. and many people do so.
I bet a huge % of you's, already have the "disable sharing" feature on.
not only do i share 50gb of files, i *like* sharing, and so do all my online friends. many of the better p2p apps, such as emule and direct connect, you can't not share and still participate.
And I also bet, that if you seen what % of bandwidth your ISP is using (and how much they have to pay for this), to support your file swapping, you'd do the same thing.
wrong again. if i were an isp, i would come up with a reasonable pricing schecdule that passes on costs to consumer, such as $x/month + $y/gigabyte, instead of $x/month. this would be much better than imposing arbitrary restrictions as to what kind of apps people can run on their own systems.
Many of you obviously have no idea what it's like to run an ISP or administer a network.
obviously.
P2P uploads absolutely kill bandwidth.
no, it uses bandwidth. that's what we pay for, to have bandwidth to use.
Responsible use, like jumping on do download something specific and upload in the process isn't a bad thing,
translation: 'if you use your net connection like i do, you're "responsible". if you do things differently than me you're "irresponsible".'
but many dolts run uploads 24/7.
IPSs advertise their DSL connections as 'always on'. we purchase the right to use those connections 24/7. if that's a problem, then IPSs need to restructure their pricing schedule.
It doesn't matter what the download speed is when you can't get your responses out because the up-pipe is logjammed.
it's up to ISPs, like all businesses, to provide what their customers need. It used to be that people's use of the net was heavily skewed in favor of downloads, and so broadband tended to be configured for a lot of downloading with little uploading. with the increasing popularity of p2p, the balance is shifting more in favor of uploads, while the ISPs infrastructure has not caught up. that's all this 'logjam' is about.
A local ISP with 6 T1s has had their up-pipe maxed for literally months, when they blocked P2P uploads, the outgoing traffic went from an average of 98% to 25% and the download rates once again became normal.
so then, you're saying that the way for IPSs to make more bandwidth available is by preventing their customers from using it.
If you really want to know what P2P is all about, sit and talk with a technician from your local ISP.
no need. i can tell you right now what p2p is all about: it's about sharing files.
It has very little to do with RIAA, and everything to do with customer satisfaction.
no, it has a lot to do with the riaa. the current state of p2p has been greatly influenced by riaa actions. to claim otherwise is to ignore recent history.
Non-comercial home users sign contracts that say they're not going to run a server, that they're not going to expect same day engineer service etc. If you want a full service web host, you pay a very different amount. What OO are saying is that if you run a set up that is [effectively] a server, they may stop you.
bogus argument. no one who runs p2p apps expects 'same day engineer service', or that their isp should regard them as mission-critical.
They're still going to turn a blind eye to those users whose machines do a small amount of uploading because they're not abusing anything
neither they nor those who run p2p apps 24/7 are abusing anything. ISPs advertise their DSL connections as 'always on'. it's reasonable for people to use their connection 24/7 if they paid for an always on connection.
it's the ones who're using a masively disproportionate amount who're going to get capped to bring them back in to line.
instead of placing restrictions on users, it would be better if they were straightforward about it and came up with a pricing scheme where people who used more bandwidth would pay more. it's like a salad bar with a big sign out front saying "all you can eat buffet" and then disallowing people from getting more than 2 plates of food. it's just dishonest.
It had everything to do with them stopping some users from abusing a business model.
if a business model is capable of being abused, then it is seriously flawed. instead of trying to protect a flawed business model, why not just come up with a good one?
no, you're jumping to conclusions again.
anyhow, you're just bickering for the sake of bickering, get a life, please. this conversation is going nowhere so i'm ending it.
If you think the RIAA comes up with bullshit like this because they're too stupid to know better, then you are the one who is thinking sloppily.
:-P
make false claims about what the person you're debating with thinks to try to discredit them is pointless. whom are you trying to fool?
I see, so it's my fault that you aren't funny. I'll make a note of that.
see to it that you do.
that you're demonstrating sloppy verbage to go along with your sloppy thinking?
:P
and that you lack a sense of humor?
Nobody is complaining about the RIAA busting a large scale music pirating operation.
not true. i am complaining. i think everyone should infringe the riaa's copyrights as much as possible, and drive them out of business as soon as possible.
i think you mean prosecute, not persecute.
i don't agree that people who infringe copyright 'need' to be prosecuted. what is needed is for the riaa to be driven out of business. they are leeches and useless middlemen that produce nothing, minimizing the amount they pay artists while maximizing the amount they extract from consumers, without a care as to how their actions harm society. i, for one, applaud those who reduce the flow of money going to the music mafia, it would be great to see them driven out of business.
go download a bunch of illegal music
what does illegal music sound like? i'm not familiar with that particular genre...
That's a terrible position to be in, having to choose between your ethics and the law.
not at all. ethics wins every time, as far as im concerned.
The law says it's stealing, but your ethics say it's better than paying up.
no, not stealing. perhaps copyright infringement.
I don't know what I would do if I was stuck in that kind of paradox! My life is pretty simple by comparison.
that's really the best way to live. just avoid crooked people, corporations, and governments as much as possible.
Do you feel bad proving them right?
i'm not the poster, but if it were me, i would feel much worse about giving microsoft money than proving them right.
Most 'cheap' PCs don't. That has to be bought seperate. The monitor is going to double your cost tho.
not. you can find pleny of decent used 17" monitors (and that's probably overkill for an email/websurfing system) for $20-$80. I even came across someone selling 21" sun monitors for $50 each last week.
According to the screenshots, you have 600+ music files shared along with 200+ movie files.
According to the statistics from the ISP, your connection has rutinely been used to send an amount of data that corrosponds with one of the shared files size.
Neither may be direct evidence, but they'd be pretty convincing circumstatial evidence to me.
well, then you haven't thought this through thoroughly enough. you can't tell just by a file name and file size that a given file is a copyrighted work or a derivation thereof. 'star wars.avi' could be the copyrighted movie, or it could be a home video parody i made of star wars.
This is an obscure trade board with little or no policy making power that is likely to do little more that waste some more money.
are you guessing, or do you know for a fact what this board does? link, please?
Also, the fact the you'd go looking for GWB connections with this rather screams your conspiracy theorist paranoia, eh?
the fact that he found what he was looking for so quickly screams that he was on the mark, eh?
Now, if I was in Russia I might be concerned that this guy is going to push a bunch of mutant corn down my throat but, in Niceville, USA he's not going to have much impact.
depends on that the board does. it would be naive to assume that bush appointed him to this board to do nothing.
Of course, if genetically engineered food escapes into the wild, even on another continent, it will eventually come back to haunt us.
"if"
how about option #4, showing some fucking self-restraint and not breeding like rabbits!
Many mainstream Israeli politicians and senior military figures support the ethnic cleansing, and in some cases liquidation of the Palestinians. Sounds awfully like Nazi policies towards Jews, gypsies and Slavs to me.
there are people who advocate hatred in every society. the nazis rounded up millions of civilians and slaughtered them. israelis have not. for you to equate the israelis with the nazis is ignorant.
Israel is a state which justifies its existence on religious/political tracts from over 2000 years ago.
no, it justifies its existence on the fact that every people deserves a homeland of their own where they are not persecuted and killed. every people deserves this at the very minimum, whether they be jews, kurds, or croatians.
Israel ignores UN resolutions and invades neighbouring states. Think the League of Nations and the appeasement of Hitler over Czechoslovakia.
israel invades neighbors defensively, in response to attacks, such as missiles and mortar fire coming from across the border in lebanon. the only times israel has captured and kept land *was when they were attacked by neighbors*! for you to equate them with hitler, who was the aggressor and started a war to take over other countries, just shows you are either completely ignorant of the facts, or, more likely, making a feeble attempt at misrepresenting them to forward your own jew-bashing agenda.
try educating yourself about the facts if you want to post about such issues. most likely you're just being a troll, though, i don't know why i waste my time responding to you.
you are correct, the us presence in saudi arabia is the main reason for the attack, afaict.
however, it should be noted that the saudi regime is a very corrupt one, it is a monarchy that does not represent the interests of the saudi people, and it exists in large part because of us support.
You give me something that will effectively block or limit all P2P traffic with 100% accuracy.
good. you shouldn't be trying to block p2p traffic. putting limits on how much bandwidth each person uses is reasonable, however.
I don't buy your sense of altruism here.
what's not to buy? i'm just stating a fact.
What friggin pie in the sky idealism. Benefit society? By sharing music? Are you real? Get off your high horse man.
you have a narrow view of p2p. sure i share some music, but other useful things as well - books on philosohpy, programming manuals, star office (which sun no longer has for free on its website), adobe acrobat (which other poor students can't afford to dish out $500 for), just to name a few.
high horse? i dont think so. i'm not claiming to be better than anyone else - i'm just happy to be able to do something to help other people.
I also defend all the other people on my network that are using their bandwidth for better reasons than grabbing their newest favorite artist's album.
speaking of high horse...
so you think that you're more important than other people, or that your use of the network is more justified than other people (which you've made a blanket assumption about what they are all using their bandwidth for)? perhaps while you're at it, you should rant about how other people shouldn't be allowed to use the phone lines unless what they're using the phone for is at least as important as what you're using it for. isps are called common carriers for a reason - they don't engage in narrowminded judgemental notions about who is using the network for what. everyone should have equal access to the network, to the phone lines, to drive on the highway, etc., without any consideration about what they're using it for.
As a sysadmin its a major headache to try and deal out bandwidth fairly.
so, what you're saying is, you're lazy and don't want to do your job right.
I don't care what you do with "your" bandwidth, as long as it doesn't effect mine.
it's affect, not effect.
i don't care that you breathe oxygen, as long as it doesn't decrease the amount of oxygen left in the world for me to breathe.
All you P2P advocates people are selfish and greedy.
really? i upload about 100x as much as i download. how is that greedy? it actually costs me money for the electricity to leave my pc running all the time, but i do it anyways, even though i'm hardly ever downloading anything. i do it to help other people, and to benefit society by (hopefully) depriving the riaa of income. so, are you still going to claim i'm greedy?
i think the truth is quite obvious - you're just mad that this use of bandwidth isn't going to be helping out *you*.
How much more responsive would the net be without P2P?
how much more responsive would the net be if we could get rid of all women/blacks/hispanics/old people/insert any other group you can think of here ?
It's simply not fair that I can't run a small personal website simply because a lot of horny P2P need more material
life's not fair. and you know, i really don't feel sorry for you at all.
also, your assumption, like the rest of your post, is false. i don't download or share porn.
God think about other people for once.
i think about other people all the time - when i share files, when i check them for correct filenames and to test that they work, and when i hash them and enter them into the bitzi.com database.
i guess what you really mean is, 'think about ME for once'.
Due to computer illiterates in my area leaving programs such as kazaa and the likes running
grow up. just because someone leaves a p2p app running all the time doesn't make them computer illiterate. you can insult people all you want, but it doesn't make your statements true.
i leave my p2p app running pretty much all the time. i do this not to benefit myself (i don't often download), but to benefit others, with the added side benefit of depriving the riaa of revenue.
yes, lots of legit uses. here are some:
-downloading tv shows (futurama, the simpsons, south park, etc.), which is no different than recording the shows on my vcr, except has the advantage of being more easily organized and no commercials.
-downloading copyrighted works that i already own on another media such as cassette tape or vhs that i want in digital format.
-i'm sharing a lot of public domain works that i've downloaded from project gutenberg (plato, aristotle, descartes, thoreau, etc).
-downloading/sharing star office 5.2, which sun no longer offers for free on their web site.
there's probably other uses that don't come to mind at the moment...
take out the space between the wcf and the rb&.
for some reason slashdot inserts a space when i post a magnet link.
i'm sharing 1701 on gnutella, as are many people. that's the fastest way to download it if you already have a client that understands magnet links:6 2QAPLWCF RB&dn=Shareaza1701.exe
magnet:?xt=urn:sha1:QQB67YHOQV5BSLCFS7JYV