But he was asking whether the free flow of edits could be eventually blocked.
The answer is no - any article, even one about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Newton an age old event, may require new edits to note the Einstein Project, references in pop culture, and new advancements.
If we left articles long enough, some of the words they used would become archaic or change meaning, and we would need to correct that for overall clarity.
Rather it's most likely that a bunch of fat rich people will pull up with trucks, take all the food they can carry, and then go to the nearest market and resell it all.
Except that your food supply is unlimited.
The analogy seems pretty accurate to me. The rich people just need to add a few grams of salt (or even "special sauce") and your free service becomes useless.
Have you seen "The Logical Journey of the Zoombinis"? (now called "The Mathematical Journey of the Zoombinis")
It is an excellent introduction to logic, making and testing hypotheses, and more logic and reasoning. It contains 12 puzzles, some of which are highly original. Many of them are challenging and take some time even for adults on the hardest setting.:)
Google Talk, RealPlayer, "GalleryPlayer HD Images", Trillian
You can remove anything you like, but the non-default programs are not on the front page of pack.google.com, so most people will not see them.
Most people have missed the main point: " Notify me about new software
Notify me when updates to my installed software are done" are both ticked by default. Google has a platform for publishing programs to people, many of whom will trust Google blindly and tick all the boxes.
I'm quite surprised that gaim is missing considering their partnership. I suppose that maybe the inclusion of GTK+ tempts them to introduce dependencies.
It is also lacking an archival program, Thunderbird (IMO that should be optional as most home users use webmail now), Folding@home (which may be in Google Toolbar, actually), Winamp, mIRC, SmartFTP, MSN Messenger Plus!, and OpenOffice. That's just from my own list of things to put on Windows on install.
http://fundraising.wikimedia.org/2005q4/ Day-by-day you can see a serious shortfall until the "personal appeal" notice went up. Daniel Mayer (aka mav) wrote on one of the mailing lists that he hoped to raise $500,000.
"Personally, I don't understand how Answers.com makes any money from their adds. Who would go to Answers.com instead of just checking out the latest version on Wikipedia?"
This is not Wikipedia's fault, but whenever I try to access Wikipedia from Anonymouse, it says Wikipedia has blocked access from that very anonymizing gateway... hilarious. I really don't have time applying proxies or go throguh SSH accounts in the West.
I think Wikipedia needs to start distribute its stuff in a decentralized fashion, letting others deliver the stuff through their pipes. And it also should have encryption enabled to circumvent the censorship in the filter regimes.
There are 50 changes a minute at peak times on the English Wikipedia - and peak times are a few hours every day.
Distributing "in a decentralized fashion" would not work. People must have the latest revision, otherwise when they press "edit" they will either get old text (think Lotus Notes) or be confused by a change.
The money is for: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Budget/2005 Hardware (they have dozens of caches, apache servers, and DB slaves) ~$100,000 a year hosting ~$132,000 a year to pay for 2 full-time and 2 part-time employees ~$30,000 a year legal expenses...
Google will donate rackspace and servers (or maybe money) with no strings attached. I don't think that has anything to do with the poor turnout of donations.
Nupedia's problem is that they couldn't convince enough experts to join. I don't think Digital Universe will fare much better.
There's a difference. Nupedia expected these experts to do this stuff for free, while Digital Universe passes money on from "angel investors" to experts.
Well, some of the Linux systems became b0rked because the sysadmins thought they could upgrade libc without messing up the entire system. They had less experience than the Windows sysadmins.
"In math class, I used to go to the end of the book and do problems that I knew we'd never get to in class. Then I'd visit the teacher after class to verify my answers."
Welcome to today. Textbooks are geared for your own year all the way from year 7 (UK) (age 11) to age 18. More money out to textbook companies, plus the little year 7s won't be scared by the year 8 questions which need a bit more knowledge.
Erm, sounds a lot like real life, no? The farmer buys the tractor that decays over time, but during its usable lifetime, he uses it to harvest grain, which he sells to others.
Except that this is completely rigged so that you will almost always lose. There is the occasional win (i.e. earning back your money) but this is compensated by other people's losses so that ultimately, MindArk are the only winners.
The tractor will break down soon. In PE:
You will keep having to buy new, expensive ammo to keep your gun usable. You even need to repair your gun sometimes. You can also buy bombs to mine precious metals. Your bombs will not find enough precious metals to make them worth buying.
Project Entropia tax your money going out with a flat fare + a percentage fee. I doubt the Inland Revenue/tax collectors will tax this until more than one person is able to make a profit.
"You know, I agree with your point about continuous burn. The reason we need this uninterupted distratction-free time is because there are a heck of a lot of juggling balls that we have to keep in the air all at once. As soon as the phone rings or a boss comes in or an email needs to be read balls start dropping. And that frustrates us because we were on a roll and now we've got to figure out where we were and get ramped back up again."
These sound like the kind of questions an advertiser would ask in order to make more effective (intrusive) ads.
The results of this "survey" are that for ads to be more effective (interested clicks per copy of ad sent out) they need to be less intrusive -- which anybody with half a brain could work out.
- Do anyone know how much spam you get with this service? You don't get spam from them. The spam filter has been excellent for me so far - and I've used it for a long time.
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But he was asking whether the free flow of edits could be eventually blocked.
The answer is no - any article, even one about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Newton an age old event, may require new edits to note the Einstein Project, references in pop culture, and new advancements.
If we left articles long enough, some of the words they used would become archaic or change meaning, and we would need to correct that for overall clarity.
Yeah, I could have been one of those kids, but I don't have the people skills to handle J. Average-s who think too much of themselves.
The analogy seems pretty accurate to me. The rich people just need to add a few grams of salt (or even "special sauce") and your free service becomes useless.
Have you seen "The Logical Journey of the Zoombinis"? (now called "The Mathematical Journey of the Zoombinis")
:)
It is an excellent introduction to logic, making and testing hypotheses, and more logic and reasoning. It contains 12 puzzles, some of which are highly original. Many of them are challenging and take some time even for adults on the hardest setting.
To be more precise, by default there is:
Google: Earth, Desktop, IE Toolbar, Picasa, Google Pack Screensaver
Third-party: Firefox (with Google Toolbar), Ad-Aware Personal, Norton AntiVirus w/ 6 months, Adobe Reader 7
And you can also add:
Google Talk, RealPlayer, "GalleryPlayer HD Images", Trillian
You can remove anything you like, but the non-default programs are not on the front page of pack.google.com, so most people will not see them.
Most people have missed the main point: " Notify me about new software
Notify me when updates to my installed software are done" are both ticked by default. Google has a platform for publishing programs to people, many of whom will trust Google blindly and tick all the boxes.
I'm quite surprised that gaim is missing considering their partnership. I suppose that maybe the inclusion of GTK+ tempts them to introduce dependencies.
It is also lacking an archival program, Thunderbird (IMO that should be optional as most home users use webmail now), Folding@home (which may be in Google Toolbar, actually), Winamp, mIRC, SmartFTP, MSN Messenger Plus!, and OpenOffice. That's just from my own list of things to put on Windows on install.
Me, log out of Wikipedia? Blasphemy!
http://fundraising.wikimedia.org/2005q4/ Day-by-day you can see a serious shortfall until the "personal appeal" notice went up. Daniel Mayer (aka mav) wrote on one of the mailing lists that he hoped to raise $500,000.
"Personally, I don't understand how Answers.com makes any money from their adds. Who would go to Answers.com instead of just checking out the latest version on Wikipedia?"
Answers.com is faster.
There are 50 changes a minute at peak times on the English Wikipedia - and peak times are a few hours every day.
Distributing "in a decentralized fashion" would not work. People must have the latest revision, otherwise when they press "edit" they will either get old text (think Lotus Notes) or be confused by a change.
Besides which, the database http://download.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/ is 13.1GiB, and that's compressed. And that's just the English Wikipedia, and without images.
Good luck distributing that. Add the encryption and... owch.
The money is for:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Budget/2005
Hardware (they have dozens of caches, apache servers, and DB slaves)
~$100,000 a year hosting
~$132,000 a year to pay for 2 full-time and 2 part-time employees
~$30,000 a year legal expenses...
There's some serious money needs.
Google will donate rackspace and servers (or maybe money) with no strings attached. I don't think that has anything to do with the poor turnout of donations.
Because anonymous users do contribute to Wikipedia.
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Because many of the editors started anonymously, and liked it.
Because the idea of being able to click, click, correct, click and have your change there is immediately attractive, and signing up is not.
See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Anonymous_use
and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pu
There's a difference. Nupedia expected these experts to do this stuff for free, while Digital Universe passes money on from "angel investors" to experts.
You just needed to right-click on them in the buddy list to set an alias. :)
The pun! It hurts!
Well, some of the Linux systems became b0rked because the sysadmins thought they could upgrade libc without messing up the entire system. They had less experience than the Windows sysadmins.
"In math class, I used to go to the end of the book and do problems that I knew we'd never get to in class. Then I'd visit the teacher after class to verify my answers."
Welcome to today. Textbooks are geared for your own year all the way from year 7 (UK) (age 11) to age 18. More money out to textbook companies, plus the little year 7s won't be scared by the year 8 questions which need a bit more knowledge.
Except that this is completely rigged so that you will almost always lose. There is the occasional win (i.e. earning back your money) but this is compensated by other people's losses so that ultimately, MindArk are the only winners.
The tractor will break down soon. In PE:
You will keep having to buy new, expensive ammo to keep your gun usable. You even need to repair your gun sometimes. You can also buy bombs to mine precious metals. Your bombs will not find enough precious metals to make them worth buying.
(...etc...)
Project Entropia tax your money going out with a flat fare + a percentage fee. I doubt the Inland Revenue/tax collectors will tax this until more than one person is able to make a profit.
"You know, I agree with your point about continuous burn. The reason we need this uninterupted distratction-free time is because there are a heck of a lot of juggling balls that we have to keep in the air all at once. As soon as the phone rings or a boss comes in or an email needs to be read balls start dropping. And that frustrates us because we were on a roll and now we've got to figure out where we were and get ramped back up again."
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Or as Joel explains in a way which the managers can understand (or at least, trust):
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000
Yes, the book will be free to schools. It will hitch a ride on other charities' deliveries.
You, and the grandparent, have missed a point.
These sound like the kind of questions an advertiser would ask in order to make more effective (intrusive) ads.
The results of this "survey" are that for ads to be more effective (interested clicks per copy of ad sent out) they need to be less intrusive -- which anybody with half a brain could work out.
- Do anyone know how much spam you get with this service?
e r=8770&query=attachments&topic=0&type=f&ctx=en:sea rch
You don't get spam from them. The spam filter has been excellent for me so far - and I've used it for a long time.
- How does it handle attachements and their sizes?
An e-mail can be up to 10 MB once encoded, including the message body and attachments. http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answ
- How fast does mail travel through their servers?
Who cares? It probably doesn't take very long.
- How high uptime do their servers have?
24 hours a day most days, but sometimes there are a fwe hours of unreliable service.
- Customizable mail filters to manage mail?
Yes.
- Multiple labels per mail, set by filters?
Yes.
- POP3 forwarding/servers?
Yes.
- Address books?
A basic one.
- Antivirus checks?
No (but viruses probably enter the spam box).
- Do they backup?
Dunno. Don't really care much, either. Google are good at storing data.
It's a little difficult to encrypt every important outgoing mail but allowing the recipient to read it. Not everybody has PGP.
It's rather more difficult to encrypt every *incoming* mail on a webmail service.
They could look through the code for e.g. a form which allows SQL injection.
They could try to "break" any text-transforming code i.e. get bad text past it.