However you seem to have missed the part of TFS that says he put keyloggers on other people's computers and stole their id/password. That's illegal and a jail-able offense. Or do you believe somebody putting a keylogger trojan on your computer should be legal?
College isn't the real world, this did no real world harm.
No, I don't see this essentially college prank, warranting punishment of federal prison, and record to follow him through life.
I'm not much concerned about what Tesla himself would think...
However, I'd be VERY interested if they could somehow start making the Tesla Roadster again, but this time at a price-point nearer that of a Corvette. I'd be ALL over that....a performance electric car that isn't fugly.
I wonder how difficult it would be to *ahem*....de-activate this tech on the plate?
I mean, maybe the power/battery accidently gets disconnected? Maybe a rock or hammer accidentally smashes some critical part of the plate system? What if the plate accidentally passed in front of some random, activated HERF gun...?
They were even featured on one of those "reality" TV shows a few months back, as I vaguely recall. A private towing company installed it in a vehicle, loaded up a database of deadbeats, then trolled public parking lots and shopping center lots looking for cars to repossess. When they found one, they quickly dragged it away and claimed a bounty.
Hmm...I guess I'll start backing into my parking spots at the mall and all...just to make it more difficult for them to read my plates.
I can understand him getting kicked out of school, but freaking federal prison for a year for just messing with a STUDENT school election?!?!
Geez, we're getting out of hand here...I've been hearing of small school children getting kicked out of school and having the cops called just for playing in the school play ground using their hands and fingers as 'guns' yelling bang bang at each other.
This is a freaking school election...not a federal / city/state election..it is college, it means NOTHING....
I can see them being punished by the school, but WTF...Federal Prison?!?!?
Of course, that all assumes the whole project doesn't include the standard "the HOA considers solar panels ugly, and demands you water your exactly-2in-grass even in a drought" clause in every deed. It amazes me people still fall for those things. Funny, really, how many people who want to control what their neighbors do, don't realize that it works both ways.
That's why I'd never willingly move somewhere that had those stupid HOA's.
Glad I live in New Orleans, where you are free to paint your house purple if you want....freedom!!!
To paraphrase an old saying..."the US sucks, but it still sucks WAY less than everywhere else in the world".
I disagree vehemently with the NSA and other govt snooping actions of the US, but I fear it would be much worse and a huge clusterfuck if given over to the UN.
Besides, it isn't like anyone really believes the UN has true authority over anything or could manage anything like this correctly. I fear it would get worse than it is in so many ways.
And...who could possibly imagine that some Koreans would be upset and try to dispute news, stories and theories that put them and their culture into a bad light???
Well, these days, job hopping is pretty much required if you want to advance your salary...the days of one job for life have been over for a looooong time.
Especially when young, you need to be jumping jobs at about 3yr intervals at least.
You generally start out with a pretty high salary right out of college, and then in just a few years, you quickly top out and can't seem to earn much more.
People *do* work to make money as a bottom line, and this kind of thing hurts a career choice.
And, I'm curious as to how you justify claiming that somebody else smoking doesn't affect the cost of providing coverage to the entire pool. Because that's how insurance pools work, a few people that refuse to behave responsibly make things expensive for the other people in the pool.
I'm just saying, why pick on ONE bad habit...as mentioned before, the bad dietary habits and obesity are posing the single largest health problem right now and going into the future. That problem will dwarf smokers in terms of cost very soon, if not already.
Besides, smokers kill themselves off early on, so they don't have quite the drag on the pools system that the obese type II diabetes folks have.
And no...what is 3rd hand smoke? That's a new one on me.
You talk as if the government is some kind of external entity with which you have no connection. The government is (supposed to be) society's instrument. It can only deprive you of money or freedom based on the rules which society has agreed. If you don't want to live in society then yes, you have to leave, but you are a part of it and have some influence over it.
You are going with the assumption that govt is LISTENING to the public....from past few years, I'm convinced we the people have little to nothing to do with their decisions and lawmaking. For instance polls showing the majority of the US not wanting what we got for obamacare in the form it was passed...were 100% ignored. It seems to be that way for so many issues, not just healthcare.
Unless you have corp. level money and influence, you do not get a voice in our country any longer. I firmly believe that 100%.
I used to smoke, don't care if you do, but ideally everyone would quit. It is a nasty habit and a shitty way to consume nicotine.
Nothing..I recently quit myself...and it helps me keep off them if not around smokers and smoking.
However, I don't feel it is the place of the govt. to tell me or direct me or try to influence my decision what legal, adult activities I wish to participate in.
I agree, horrible habit. Everyone should try to quit, but only if THEY want to, not because a govt. entity mandates it or tries to use its power to take away your $$ or freedom (which they may do if you don't pay your medical fines/taxes) to mold your behavior.
Smoking also causes illness in other people that things like, say being overweight, don't.
Not unless you hang out in close proximity to smokers. No one holds a gun to your head to patronize a bar that allows smoking...freedom of choice and all.
And really..the tax/penalty isn't against second hand smoke...it is on the individual doing the unhealthy action, so this argument really isn't a valid one...you know?
I remember one time driving through the Indian part of town in the UK with my American girlfriend and saying something about how they drive like they're still in Bombay as a car on the wrong side of the road barely missed us. Any local would have agreed since it was completely true, but she was absolutely shocked by my EVIL RACISM.
Interesting...what part of the US was she from?
I find different parts of the country will tolerate different levels of that type speech against different ethnicities, etc...with different levels of offense.
When not around said groups of people, I often hear the terms spic, chink, nigger, wop, (insert non-PC racial/ethnic/sexist term here) in the course of conversation and jokes, and no one gets upset or offended at it.
In different parts of the country, some of those will raise the ire of some not in those groups, but more often than not, publicly everyone is agast at such language, but in private, I find most people aren't that offended and regularly use such language in a very natural manner.
Then perhaps before someone can be a pilot, during the examinations we need to screen to see if the person in question would defer to hierarchy over saving multiple lives.
If you don't choose the lives of your passengers, then you are immediately disqualified from being a pilot, regardless of race or gender.
That this should be a qualifying attribute should be a no-brainer.
I think that's ONLY if he is also a White Guy saying that.
He only said he was American, so we can't be sure if he is racist in saying that unless we can also verify HIS race and sex as being the appropriate one to be called a racist.
This isn't unique to the government. When I was at my previous fortune-100 employer, they penalized smokers as well (actually what they did was raise the rates for everyone, but gave non-smokers a "discount"). It's not that uncommon. Additionally some places will hand out "fitness incentives" (i.e. penalize overweight people).
But there is a huge difference between a private company's policy on this (I dislike those too, but they have that right). When a company does this, you are free to leave and find a less onerous place to work.
When the govt does this, it COSTS you money, all with full force of the govt behind one. An entity that can deprive you of your money, your freedom and in some cases your life.
You can't change that shy of leaving your own country which is something wrong.
I'm about to start thumbing through my US constitution, can someone give me a head start by suggesting where I read in the constitution about the federal govt being empowered to mold its citizens behavior through forced fines and taxes? I could swear I've never seen it there before, but I might have overlooked it.....
Hmm...what stands out to me, that I didn't know was, that the obamacare laws specifically target one bad health activity for extra $$$?
I'd not heard about the new smoking thing, forcing smokers to pay an extra penalty.
Why was smoking specifically targeted? Hell, with the ongoing climb in obesity, the increasing incidents of type II diabetes and related complications will soon FAR outweigh problems we have with smokers.
Are we going to penalize (by monetary means) those that have the wrong BMI (not a good scale I know, since it looks really bad for those that are super fit)?
Are we going to tie the IRS and healthcare into the grocery store customer tracking system to see you're buying fattening, high calorie low nutrient foods?
Will they trace how much booze, beer and wine you buy at the grocery store (or wherever you buy it in your state)?
Where do we stop having the govt STOP trying to tell you how to live, and fining you for your CHOICE in lifestyle?
I guess maybe it is easy to pick on the smokers first, but seriously, what about when they start also charging for more common behaviors that are really driving up health costs for the future? How will that go over?
Is this really something the government should be doing at all? Doesn't sound like freedom to me, if the govt is trying to drive human behavior with govt. enforced sanctions.
I don't think that many people are upset over us spying on OTHER countries, what has the majority pissed off, is the US intelligence spying on US citizens, especially within our borders.
THAT is something different...even with Echelon, it was thought the our intelligence folks still at least had to get warrants to use it on citizens within the country...
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College isn't the real world, this did no real world harm.
No, I don't see this essentially college prank, warranting punishment of federal prison, and record to follow him through life.
The punishment is way overblown for the crime.
Geez, if they had zero tolerance when I was growing up a kid, I guess I'd have been branded a terrorist long, long ago.
This doesn't deserve a federal prison sentence....and record.
College isn't the real world.
However, I'd be VERY interested if they could somehow start making the Tesla Roadster again, but this time at a price-point nearer that of a Corvette. I'd be ALL over that....a performance electric car that isn't fugly.
Only if it was a hoodie...er...convertable.
Wait?? Did I just hear something backfire.?
I mean, maybe the power/battery accidently gets disconnected? Maybe a rock or hammer accidentally smashes some critical part of the plate system? What if the plate accidentally passed in front of some random, activated HERF gun...?
"I wish I hadn't said that." - Oscar Wilde.
Hmm...I guess I'll start backing into my parking spots at the mall and all...just to make it more difficult for them to read my plates.
I can understand him getting kicked out of school, but freaking federal prison for a year for just messing with a STUDENT school election?!?!
Geez, we're getting out of hand here...I've been hearing of small school children getting kicked out of school and having the cops called just for playing in the school play ground using their hands and fingers as 'guns' yelling bang bang at each other.
This is a freaking school election...not a federal / city/state election..it is college, it means NOTHING....
I can see them being punished by the school, but WTF...Federal Prison?!?!?
That's why I'd never willingly move somewhere that had those stupid HOA's.
Glad I live in New Orleans, where you are free to paint your house purple if you want....freedom!!!
To paraphrase an old saying..."the US sucks, but it still sucks WAY less than everywhere else in the world".
I disagree vehemently with the NSA and other govt snooping actions of the US, but I fear it would be much worse and a huge clusterfuck if given over to the UN.
Besides, it isn't like anyone really believes the UN has true authority over anything or could manage anything like this correctly. I fear it would get worse than it is in so many ways.
And...who could possibly imagine that some Koreans would be upset and try to dispute news, stories and theories that put them and their culture into a bad light???
Seems to be the going paradigm for those high up in the current administration.
I kinda long for the past days of where it was just the #1 guy getting a hummer outside the Oval office. At least that didn't hurt US citizens' lives.
Spoken like a young person new to the market.
A lot of it depends on the field you're in tho....
Well, these days, job hopping is pretty much required if you want to advance your salary...the days of one job for life have been over for a looooong time.
Especially when young, you need to be jumping jobs at about 3yr intervals at least.
You generally start out with a pretty high salary right out of college, and then in just a few years, you quickly top out and can't seem to earn much more.
People *do* work to make money as a bottom line, and this kind of thing hurts a career choice.
I'm just saying, why pick on ONE bad habit...as mentioned before, the bad dietary habits and obesity are posing the single largest health problem right now and going into the future. That problem will dwarf smokers in terms of cost very soon, if not already.
Besides, smokers kill themselves off early on, so they don't have quite the drag on the pools system that the obese type II diabetes folks have.
And no...what is 3rd hand smoke? That's a new one on me.
You are going with the assumption that govt is LISTENING to the public....from past few years, I'm convinced we the people have little to nothing to do with their decisions and lawmaking. For instance polls showing the majority of the US not wanting what we got for obamacare in the form it was passed...were 100% ignored. It seems to be that way for so many issues, not just healthcare.
Unless you have corp. level money and influence, you do not get a voice in our country any longer. I firmly believe that 100%.
I'm not the only one thinking this way.
Nothing..I recently quit myself...and it helps me keep off them if not around smokers and smoking.
However, I don't feel it is the place of the govt. to tell me or direct me or try to influence my decision what legal, adult activities I wish to participate in.
I agree, horrible habit. Everyone should try to quit, but only if THEY want to, not because a govt. entity mandates it or tries to use its power to take away your $$ or freedom (which they may do if you don't pay your medical fines/taxes) to mold your behavior.
Not unless you hang out in close proximity to smokers. No one holds a gun to your head to patronize a bar that allows smoking...freedom of choice and all.
And really..the tax/penalty isn't against second hand smoke...it is on the individual doing the unhealthy action, so this argument really isn't a valid one...you know?
Interesting...what part of the US was she from?
I find different parts of the country will tolerate different levels of that type speech against different ethnicities, etc...with different levels of offense.
When not around said groups of people, I often hear the terms spic, chink, nigger, wop, (insert non-PC racial/ethnic/sexist term here) in the course of conversation and jokes, and no one gets upset or offended at it.
In different parts of the country, some of those will raise the ire of some not in those groups, but more often than not, publicly everyone is agast at such language, but in private, I find most people aren't that offended and regularly use such language in a very natural manner.
If you don't choose the lives of your passengers, then you are immediately disqualified from being a pilot, regardless of race or gender.
That this should be a qualifying attribute should be a no-brainer.
I think that's ONLY if he is also a White Guy saying that.
He only said he was American, so we can't be sure if he is racist in saying that unless we can also verify HIS race and sex as being the appropriate one to be called a racist.
Let us not jump to premature conclusions!!
But there is a huge difference between a private company's policy on this (I dislike those too, but they have that right). When a company does this, you are free to leave and find a less onerous place to work.
When the govt does this, it COSTS you money, all with full force of the govt behind one. An entity that can deprive you of your money, your freedom and in some cases your life.
You can't change that shy of leaving your own country which is something wrong.
I'm about to start thumbing through my US constitution, can someone give me a head start by suggesting where I read in the constitution about the federal govt being empowered to mold its citizens behavior through forced fines and taxes? I could swear I've never seen it there before, but I might have overlooked it.....
I'd not heard about the new smoking thing, forcing smokers to pay an extra penalty.
Why was smoking specifically targeted? Hell, with the ongoing climb in obesity, the increasing incidents of type II diabetes and related complications will soon FAR outweigh problems we have with smokers.
Are we going to penalize (by monetary means) those that have the wrong BMI (not a good scale I know, since it looks really bad for those that are super fit)?
Are we going to tie the IRS and healthcare into the grocery store customer tracking system to see you're buying fattening, high calorie low nutrient foods?
Will they trace how much booze, beer and wine you buy at the grocery store (or wherever you buy it in your state)?
Where do we stop having the govt STOP trying to tell you how to live, and fining you for your CHOICE in lifestyle?
I guess maybe it is easy to pick on the smokers first, but seriously, what about when they start also charging for more common behaviors that are really driving up health costs for the future? How will that go over?
Is this really something the government should be doing at all? Doesn't sound like freedom to me, if the govt is trying to drive human behavior with govt. enforced sanctions.
THAT is something different...even with Echelon, it was thought the our intelligence folks still at least had to get warrants to use it on citizens within the country...