I keep trying to argue with co-workers that a good society is one that has compassion for its weaker members (old, sick, unemployed, etc). most understand the notion of compassion. too bad we can't re-take back our word and give it a positive connotation.
We already did that stuff with SS, medicare/medicaid, and unemployment benefits.
If you're young enough and healthy enough, you should be working out there hard to earn money and support yourself, and save money for routine healthcare like you do for any other need (food, shelter, etc).
But now the govt is forcing money out of my pockets to pay for lazy fucks that can't get out, educate themselves and learn to get a job that pays well and has benefits?
If you're flipping burgers at McD's for a living, you made some serious vocational judgement errors, and I should have to pay for your mistakes. Min. wage jobs are meant for college and HS students that aren't living on their own.....first jobs for kids and all.
Everyone should be allowed to receive health care for free.
Why?
Why should I be forced by the govt to pay for someone elses problems? If they can't be responsible enough to work and save for health care like any other life expense...why should I pay for their laziness/ineptness?
Everywhere in the 1st world that has either nationalized healthcare or health insurance has done much better than the U.S. with costs typically around half and quality meeting or exceeding our standards.
Trouble is...what we got with obamacare fits neither of the models other countries have, and we took what was bad and have now just made it worse, and more $$$$.
Not to mention, in the US, obamacare gives everyones healthcare over to be controlled by the very govt that has never been able to run Medicare/Medicaid under budget, nor have they been able to root out the hugely widespread corruption and fraud in those systems.
I hate going to the DMV to wait for hours for a new license or other change...now, I'll get that same service for my medical needs???
I dunno if it is that so much as, the sentiment is growing against obamacare in the US as more of it is coming to be implemented, and more people are seeing it for the steaming pile that it is....and how much this will cost the people is the bottom line.
I think the Dems/Admin want to keep obamacare implementation out of the news by doing this, so as to not risk their congress critters that may be coming up for election.
The law had some good parts to it...the sections pertaining to pre-existing conditions is good, and I suppose that letting kids stay on their parents insurance till in their 20's "may" be good, although I think most normal "kids" should be well out on their own and supporting themselves by the time they are 20-21.
But obamacare when it comes into full swing, is going to raise the $$$ of healthcare quite a bit on the young and healthy. It penalizes people that previously had really good benefits at work, making them too $$ for the employers to continue to offer.
This is what comes from "we have to pass the law first to see what's in it...".
yeah, and you street smell like piss and vomit , you have low education, high crime, high rate of alcoholism.
Not really....you''re thinking of Bourbon St....and that gets cleaned every morning.
It isn't like that at all rest of the city, we have a huge influx of motivated 30-somethings moving in, and the tech sector is thriving, etc.
Things have changed a LOT post Katrina. That storm washed a lot of the crap out of the city and its being replaced by much better living standards and conditions....and a growing economy.
Yet, we're still free to enjoy life too without that many legal restrictions in many ways.
Practically? In some parts of S. California I could walk outside my front door and not be able to read the commercial signs. You'd never know the official langauge of the country was English.
Sadly, I don't believe we in the US actually have an official language by law.
I know that a proficiency in English is require for new citizenship, but as far as I know, there is no law on the books saying English is the official language.
I think we need to do that....just so we can try to keep English as our official language, and maybe have more folks try to learn it quicker.
Frankly, I wish they would put all official state and federal forms ONLY in English. I mean, when I took French and Spanish classes, after the first day, they only spoke the class language, and that immersion type education really helped you learn the language faster.
Learning the language in the US would help folks assimilate quicker into the broader US culture and community, rather than isolating them selves, they'd be more readily able to contribute to the greater community and culture.
Without knowing more about the case in question, I don't think we can say the threat he made wasn't "credible or direct." But we have to acknowledge that he did make a very serious threat, and even if he made it in jest, that situation needs to be investigated.
It isn't a threat if is isn't directed at a target.
What makes this any different? The "j/k" at the end? No, because you can threaten in person to shoot me and eat my still-beating heart, and then follow it immediately with a "just kidding," but if I have reasonable cause to believe you're not "just kidding"... I can still have you arrested.
Thing is...he didn't threaten any SPECIFIC person or institution. It was said in general, and not targeted at any particular target, hence, it wasn't a threat to anyone or anything.
Freedom of speech does not absolve one from responsibility for the consequences of the speech in question.
Absolutely correct!!
However in this case...what grounds does the govt. have to take this kind of action and arrest him, and deprive him of his freedom?
What law did he break exactly? Is shooting your mouth off, saying something vile now against the law?
He didn't make any type of credible direct threat against anyone or anything that I can tell.
Consequences of the public to rail against him or shame him, sure...but there shouldn't be the consequence of the govt depriving you of your freedom and imprisoning you.
Exactly what law on the books did he break? I'm pretty much more people have at one time or another said things in this same vein....when did it become illegal ?
Freedom of speech doesn't allow incitement to crime, fighting words, true threats, child pornography, etc... Also, what he wrote might be funny to you, not to parents of kids going to school in his neighborhood.
While it wasn't the best thing to say, I don't see what he said as fitting any of those criteria you mentioned.
He didn't incite anyone else to harmful action.
No child pr0n.
He didn't threaten any specific person or institution, he just made a statement...and expression said at time time of stress over the argument apparently, but again...no credible threat against anyone.
I'm not sure what law they even charged him with. I've not heard of any 'fighting words' laws out there.
I'm not saying what he said was really a nice thing...but illegal? I think not.
What a cretin you are. Since when is there a competition between natural rights? You leftists are just the kind who pick and choose which rights are acceptable. FWIW, if he is convicted of a felony, he won't be allowed to own a gun.
I must have missed it...I'm curious as to what 'crime' he made by expressing himself this way. I don't think he directly threatened anyone or any specific institution.
Can we take them away just because he is a teenager?
Well, at 18yrs, in the US, he's legally an adult.
I agree on the drinking thing....if you're old enough to join the military or be tried as an adult, you should be perfectly old enough to buy and consume alcohol legally.
I will wish the states would revolt against crap like this from the Feds.
If I recall, my state, LA, was one of the last holdouts. They figured they'd lose more in alcohol tax revenue than from Fed highway funds being withheld...but the oil crunch of the 80's hit, and they caved in.
I'm bitten far more by the "can't buy alcohol before noon" on sunday blue law.
Move to New Orleans...no such laws here, you can buy booze 24/7.
Heck, we even have drive through Daiquiri shops here (and they DO put booze in their drinks)...and when in a bar, you can take your drinks to go.
I love asking for a "to-go" cup in restaurants and bars....and get so disappointed when I go visit somewhere and realize they don't have the freedoms in other cities that we have here.
Case in point... my girlfriend has 3 children that are not mine. 2 of them are pre-teen. The 2 pre-teen children have found out that being lazy in school has no bad effect. Her youngest daughter passed 1 class this year. There are 7 classes a semester and 3 semesters. 21 classes a year and she passed 1. Her son passed 5 or 6, I don't know the exact figure.
Seriously, I'd be running away from that hornets nest of a situation SO quickly, I'd leave skid marks on the doorstep?!?!?
There's plenty of women out there without baggage like THAT hanging around their necks....just waiting to add it to YOUR neck too!!!
You know, you could just get as much output or more out of an LS4 or something like that. It would cost you more, but you'd be able to pass a gas station.
Yeah, but there's something to be said about nostaltic. And I always wanted one as a teen like a friend had.....
I'd thought about getting a high end camaro, but while you do get performance, they all look so alike, and everyone and their goat has a new camaro.
And old '75-'76 TA 455 4-speed is a bit of a head turner. And with a few mods, the suspension can be modernized, and with only freeing up that air flow in them, a slightly more aggressive cam...you can get up in the 500 HP range on them.
I only live a short distance from work, so wouldn't be cost prohibitive to be a daily driver, and fun!!!
Life's too short not to indulge from time to time.
Why don't we just get the govt (state and feds) OUT of the marriage business?
Marriage is a religious thing...if someone wants to get married, let them find a church to do it.
If any 2 (or more I suppose) people want to join into some type of civil agreement/contract, then the state and feds can help with that.
The civil union/contract should allow for wills, property sharing, etc.
That should solve the problems, no?
And IMHO, why should someone get a tax break if they are married or in some type of civil union?
And please don't get into the "it encourages marriage and kids" thing. People are gonna pair bond without govt subsidies...people like to fuck, they will and that will result in kids (at least for hetero couples).
I doubt anyone was on the brink of deciding to pledge their life to someone, or fuck without protection, and were persuaded by "You'll get a tax break for that".
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I hate to break this to you Sparky...but even under obamacare, we won't have 100% coverage on the whole population either.
Even under obamacare...we STILL won't have 100% coverage for everyone.
We already did that stuff with SS, medicare/medicaid, and unemployment benefits.
If you're young enough and healthy enough, you should be working out there hard to earn money and support yourself, and save money for routine healthcare like you do for any other need (food, shelter, etc).
But now the govt is forcing money out of my pockets to pay for lazy fucks that can't get out, educate themselves and learn to get a job that pays well and has benefits?
If you're flipping burgers at McD's for a living, you made some serious vocational judgement errors, and I should have to pay for your mistakes. Min. wage jobs are meant for college and HS students that aren't living on their own.....first jobs for kids and all.
Why?
Why should I be forced by the govt to pay for someone elses problems? If they can't be responsible enough to work and save for health care like any other life expense...why should I pay for their laziness/ineptness?
Trouble is...what we got with obamacare fits neither of the models other countries have, and we took what was bad and have now just made it worse, and more $$$$.
I hate going to the DMV to wait for hours for a new license or other change...now, I'll get that same service for my medical needs???
However, pertaining to his immediate future...isn't he bound to current laws dealing with lying under oath to Congress?
Should he not be getting a "Go To Jail" card, and bypass Go"?
I think the Dems/Admin want to keep obamacare implementation out of the news by doing this, so as to not risk their congress critters that may be coming up for election.
The law had some good parts to it...the sections pertaining to pre-existing conditions is good, and I suppose that letting kids stay on their parents insurance till in their 20's "may" be good, although I think most normal "kids" should be well out on their own and supporting themselves by the time they are 20-21.
But obamacare when it comes into full swing, is going to raise the $$$ of healthcare quite a bit on the young and healthy. It penalizes people that previously had really good benefits at work, making them too $$ for the employers to continue to offer.
This is what comes from "we have to pass the law first to see what's in it...".
Not really....you''re thinking of Bourbon St....and that gets cleaned every morning.
It isn't like that at all rest of the city, we have a huge influx of motivated 30-somethings moving in, and the tech sector is thriving, etc.
Things have changed a LOT post Katrina. That storm washed a lot of the crap out of the city and its being replaced by much better living standards and conditions....and a growing economy.
Yet, we're still free to enjoy life too without that many legal restrictions in many ways.
Sadly, I don't believe we in the US actually have an official language by law.
I know that a proficiency in English is require for new citizenship, but as far as I know, there is no law on the books saying English is the official language.
I think we need to do that....just so we can try to keep English as our official language, and maybe have more folks try to learn it quicker.
Frankly, I wish they would put all official state and federal forms ONLY in English. I mean, when I took French and Spanish classes, after the first day, they only spoke the class language, and that immersion type education really helped you learn the language faster.
Learning the language in the US would help folks assimilate quicker into the broader US culture and community, rather than isolating them selves, they'd be more readily able to contribute to the greater community and culture.
It isn't a threat if is isn't directed at a target.
Thing is...he didn't threaten any SPECIFIC person or institution. It was said in general, and not targeted at any particular target, hence, it wasn't a threat to anyone or anything.
I think a lot of it has to do with her being from the South.
Absolutely correct!!
However in this case...what grounds does the govt. have to take this kind of action and arrest him, and deprive him of his freedom?
What law did he break exactly? Is shooting your mouth off, saying something vile now against the law?
He didn't make any type of credible direct threat against anyone or anything that I can tell.
Consequences of the public to rail against him or shame him, sure...but there shouldn't be the consequence of the govt depriving you of your freedom and imprisoning you.
Exactly what law on the books did he break? I'm pretty much more people have at one time or another said things in this same vein....when did it become illegal ?
While it wasn't the best thing to say, I don't see what he said as fitting any of those criteria you mentioned.
He didn't incite anyone else to harmful action.
No child pr0n.
He didn't threaten any specific person or institution, he just made a statement...and expression said at time time of stress over the argument apparently, but again...no credible threat against anyone.
I'm not sure what law they even charged him with. I've not heard of any 'fighting words' laws out there.
I'm not saying what he said was really a nice thing...but illegal? I think not.
I must have missed it...I'm curious as to what 'crime' he made by expressing himself this way. I don't think he directly threatened anyone or any specific institution.
Well, at 18yrs, in the US, he's legally an adult.
I agree on the drinking thing....if you're old enough to join the military or be tried as an adult, you should be perfectly old enough to buy and consume alcohol legally.
I will wish the states would revolt against crap like this from the Feds.
If I recall, my state, LA, was one of the last holdouts. They figured they'd lose more in alcohol tax revenue than from Fed highway funds being withheld...but the oil crunch of the 80's hit, and they caved in.
He wasn't actually making a direct threat at any place or thing...just shooting off his mouth.
Sad that you can be arrested for just a general saying of something.
Move to New Orleans...no such laws here, you can buy booze 24/7.
Heck, we even have drive through Daiquiri shops here (and they DO put booze in their drinks)...and when in a bar, you can take your drinks to go.
I love asking for a "to-go" cup in restaurants and bars....and get so disappointed when I go visit somewhere and realize they don't have the freedoms in other cities that we have here.
Seriously, I'd be running away from that hornets nest of a situation SO quickly, I'd leave skid marks on the doorstep?!?!?
There's plenty of women out there without baggage like THAT hanging around their necks....just waiting to add it to YOUR neck too!!!
Political correctness, is killing all the fun things in life for straight guys.
Would the high intensity infrared LEDs around the plate not do the trick?
I've seen them blind cameras before, and be un-noticed by the human eye.
Yeah, but there's something to be said about nostaltic. And I always wanted one as a teen like a friend had.....
I'd thought about getting a high end camaro, but while you do get performance, they all look so alike, and everyone and their goat has a new camaro.
And old '75-'76 TA 455 4-speed is a bit of a head turner. And with a few mods, the suspension can be modernized, and with only freeing up that air flow in them, a slightly more aggressive cam...you can get up in the 500 HP range on them.
I only live a short distance from work, so wouldn't be cost prohibitive to be a daily driver, and fun!!!
Life's too short not to indulge from time to time.
I've got a decent job and can afford the gas. So many people seem to forget that cars should also be FUN too....
Marriage is a religious thing...if someone wants to get married, let them find a church to do it.
If any 2 (or more I suppose) people want to join into some type of civil agreement/contract, then the state and feds can help with that.
The civil union/contract should allow for wills, property sharing, etc.
That should solve the problems, no?
And IMHO, why should someone get a tax break if they are married or in some type of civil union?
And please don't get into the "it encourages marriage and kids" thing. People are gonna pair bond without govt subsidies...people like to fuck, they will and that will result in kids (at least for hetero couples).
I doubt anyone was on the brink of deciding to pledge their life to someone, or fuck without protection, and were persuaded by "You'll get a tax break for that".