...but struggle mightily with the concept of "no, you don't deserve to eat or sleep unless you can pay for it".
So, you believe that life owes you something for nothing, eh?
Unless you are truly infirmed, or aged where you can no longer provide shelter and food for yourself, then no....no one owes this to you for free. It all takes effort. Why should someone that works to pay to eat and have good shelter, have to work that bit harder to give it to you so you don't have to?
If you pay the homeless directly, the money would just get wasted on buying crack or MD 20/20.....better it goes to some clearer heads that will spend in on food and shelter for them....
I guess most people out there aren't 'responsible' adults then...because what you suggest has very little basis in the reality of people that go out to bars.
I mean, if I'm so plastered, that I can't walk...sure I'll find a way, but if I'm ok to drive..I drive.
Just like everyone else......of course, practice helps, and knowing to take back roads, and make sure you go the speed limit, etc.
Hell, the only time I bother looking at what the speed limit is...is after I've had a few.
Most bars don't have parking lots anywhere near large enough to handle 1 car per patron...
Hmm..I dunno where you live...but down here, bars have large lots, and if not, the streets around them are packed, and often yes, one car per patron. This is the US, remember, people don't carpool here.
And for your other answers, I'm guess you just don't hit bars that often...what you state isn't the case. In bars, I see most people in there consuming WAY beyond what the legal limit is...and they leave there not only to go home, but to 'hop' to other bars, and carry on drinking.
Seriously, people that go to bars and drink...the ones that are really concerned about a designated driver (I've never personally met one), or not driving are a tiny minority. Most people leaving a bar are well over legally intoxicated, and yes...they do drive home.
And no..sitting drinking at home, not fun...MUCH more fun to go out and do it with the large number of other people doing the same thing. Besides, you just don't usually have as easy a time picking up chicks sitting at home drinking alone, as you do going out to a bar, being social and talking to them. And especially with women...alcohol is the perfect "conversation lubrication".
You may not like it...but it is a fact of life. If you have public places server alcohol, then, the main draw of people to that place is drinking...and no, they aren't worried about having one drink per hour. The lines at the bar waiting for more drinks kinda proves that one out.
Man...I'm so tired of something changing in CA, and the rest of the country gets fscking stuck with it. New car emissions, coloring of coke...etc.
They come up with a new rule, and rest of the nation has to adapt to it?
Fuck CA.
Quit selling coke there, or just bottle it there for their needs. I'm tired of all the restrictions on car exhausts and all...that shouldn't not affect me.
Well, Ok, where I live I can get away with modding my car since there is no *sniff* test where I live for an inspection...but still, they make a rule and often it takes the fun out of it for the rest of the states because manufacturers don't want to make multiple versions.....grrrrrr
I'm sure there are other good examples, but those are the ones that hit me off the top of my head...
If a grown man is dangerously-close to the legal limit, he needs to hand the keys over to someone more responsible.
LOL...and exactly who would that be exactly?? Pretty much everyone is gassed up the same amount, and besides, they all have their own cars they have to somehow get home too...I mean, you don't wanna leave it in the parking lot to get broken into at night, do you?
If you pick up a girl...you gotta get her home with ya...another consideration.
Hey...you got to get your car home for work the next day somehow.
It isn't like a magic fairy will drive it home for you overnight.
If they didn't mean for you to drink and drive, I'd have to think there would not be public places, with LARGE parking lots, to allow people to drive to said establishment, and partake of the beverages they are offering for sale.
I mean, you can't possibly think even a significant minority of people leaving bars, getting into their cars and leaving are anywhere near the legal limit do you?
I sure don't ever see many cars left in the parking lot after a bar closes....
If I get pulled over (and this does vary by state)...and I know I'm toast, on his advice, I won't say a thing, won't answer a question, I will NOT take any roadside tests (that's just letting them gather evidence against you on camera) and refuse breath or blood tests.
I'll politely hold my hands out for them to put the cuffs on me, and quietly go with them...and call my atty when I get to the police station.
The main thing to do...is NOT give them any evidence....or as little as possible.
In many states, at worst on first offense, refusing any tests might get you license yanked for 6mos up to a year, but with good atty, you can get temp license to drive to/from work and for food, etc.
A PITA, of course, but much better than getting a DWI on your record...which can then keep you out of jobs, kills your insurance rates...and cost $$$$.
Ever since they lowered the BAC to the ridiculously low 0.08....a grown man, having 2 drinks with a meal, can be dangerously close to the so called legal limit.
So, it pays to know what to do....the govt these days seem to be into any kind of traffic stop mostly for revenue these days...safety is usually second place.
No, they can't. They can make rules about what goes on within their premises, but any sane country should be putting in force strict regulations, with heavy penalties, that say private companies have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER over the actions of their staff in their private lives. This is ethics, pure and simple.
Can you name any 'sane' countries with any such laws in place presently?
In my early 20's I was in college....working summers to pay for a chunk of it....my parents paid the rest (I was lucky...never took out a student loan).
After that..I spent years bartending, waiting tables, selling clothes...etc....for a LONG time, before I got my foot in the door so to speak, and got a real job.
so, no, I didn't expect a job with anything to do with my degree (biochemistry) right out of school.
I guess people's parents don't save for their kids college these days, hence all the huge school loans?
So who the fuck is cayenne8 if it isn't you, and why is he posting your thoughts on this social website?
Hmm...I think that is a stretch calling this a 'social' website.
:)
But seriously, yeah, I guess technically it is...I've always thought of it more as a simple forum for posting thoughts, etc....not in the social website by todays standards. I was thinking of/. in terms of old school internet....didn't really consider thinking of it as a social one.
I find it almost impossible to believe that someone asking this question isn't going to use the information gathered from it, even if it's your refusal to answer, in their decision. The idea that it's ok to ask is a stupid one.
The thing is...it is VERY difficult to prove this was the reason they didn't hire you.
There is no such thing as having to fill out a "why you did or did not hire someone" form after each interview. Heck, after the interview, there is no compelling reason for the company to even contact the interviewee to say they didn't hire them, much less tell them why they did not hire them.
Why shouldn't someone 'give you any shit about you don't have to work for that company'?
Why not go out and start your own company/business?
I'm not saying I agree with said policy, I think it sucks...but it is a privately owned company, and they can make their own rules. What give you, an outsider with no skin in that company's game...to tell them how to operate?
Again, I think it is a horrible rule...but they are free to do it, it isn't illegal....and no one is holding a gun to anyone's head to go work there.
How is it "entitlement" to actually believe that employees have rights too?
Well, of course they have rights...once they are actually hired. But, they don't have an inherent right to BE hired at any one job or pay scale, that is merited by experience, and lets face it...often, it take people skills. People skills and bullshit can get you further than just pure skills some times. Fair? Maybe not, but it is fact of life.
I'm saying the entitlement generation isn't cognizant or they are at least shocked when the facts of life in the real world hit them.
And yet, here you are arguing that it is the employer's right to have everything they want. Double Standard much?
Well, it is the "Golden Rule"....he who has the most gold, makes the rules. Fair? No...see my reply above....in most areas of life, this is a fact of life. Learn it, and use it to your advantage rather than do nothing but sit and bitch about it. Life isn't fair, it never has been. Earlier generations knew this a bit better coming out into the world, than current generations....the world is cruel, you have to fight for your part of it.
Not everyone even has the courtesy of an illusion of choice. For many it's either take this job, or starve.
Gotta call bullshit on this one. There ARE jobs out there, I know...I've interviiewed and had a hard time finding qualified people. There are jobs to be had, providing YOU are skilled, have worked to be skilled, or can con your way in basically, and once you get in, you bust your ass to learn and perform.
You might have to:
1. Be very willing to move to where the jobs are, they might not be in your current preferred area. But move to another part of the country, and you can get a job. This is a fact of life in the current state of the US.
2. Be flexible...you might not get your first choice, or the pay level you want...see rule #1 if you are hungry enough for work and pay rate you want.
But again, there are jobs out there,but you have to want to work to get them...you also have to be qualified for them...if you're really not, then suck it up, take something lesser..and study and work to get skilled at what you want. Sometimes you have to to take 2x steps back, and make one back forward in the new direction.
Why are you feeling you are 'entitled' to a certain job in a certain area? Just because you WANT it? It just doesn't work that way....fame and fortune are generally not handed to you....pay your dues, struggle.....win.
It is up to YOU to do things...life, your neighbors your country really owe you nothing. It is up to YOU to do what it takes to succeed. If you fail, you have to pick yourself up, and do whatever it takes to try again to succeed.
Not having an FB account already sets you apart as not a team player. Being older than average means you're not a team player.
Are you inferring that I'm old because I don't have a FB account?
As for team player...well, I think my past work has more than shown that...so, experience does count a lot. Actually....it counts a LOT out there from what I've seen.
Yes, I'm getting a bit older, but I certainly haven't seen it as a disadvantage, in fact...it has been quite an advantage when looking for new contract gigs. I've had to help interview, and we've had a hard time finding experience people, as that we want to hire skills....not pay to train for them.
I think you misunderstand my definition of entitlement generation.
It has nothing to do with a generation working to have its kids have a better life, or anything like that.
That sentiment is common...HOWEVER, past generations, even though they had it a bit easier than the previous ones..didn't expect to not have to work to attain success. They didn't expect things to be given to them just because they were good and well...just plain existed.
We've had a generation or two of kids growing up, in an environment somewhat free of competition (everyone gets a trophy because you tried), and worry about Bobby/Suzie's self esteem. We've had soccer moms and dads, running kids everywhere about town for organized games, and activies...rather than have kids somehow make their own fun playing outdoors, entertaining themselves, rather than having parents run and helicopter around them every waking moment...or, alternatively, plant them in front of the TV with an XBOX and a bag of potato chips.
The past generations, have been shielded largely from the concept of winners and losers....and they all expect (or feel entitled) to always get that 'trophy', just because they showed up to the contest.
but it does give them access to your health information, to your sexual information, to your marriage status, to your religion.. look, in most cases it's illegal for the potential employer to sniff around the facebook profile even if it was public(no shitting! but guess how many do that? actually applies to most western countries).
Actually..I believe the only things they can be accused of discriminating against are: race, sex, religion, or national origin.
As another poster wrote...it isn't against the law even to ask you about these topics...it is just that they can't use them to not give you a job, but just asking questis about these isn't illegal.
Health and marriage questions...those are fair game, and as far as I know...they could use them not to hire you.
Even with all that...they never have to write down or give you a reason why they don't hire you..so, how would you prove otherwise, unless they told you, I'm not hiring you because you are an Indian, homosexual, transvestite devil worshiper....?
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So, you believe that life owes you something for nothing, eh?
Unless you are truly infirmed, or aged where you can no longer provide shelter and food for yourself, then no....no one owes this to you for free. It all takes effort. Why should someone that works to pay to eat and have good shelter, have to work that bit harder to give it to you so you don't have to?
If you pay the homeless directly, the money would just get wasted on buying crack or MD 20/20.....better it goes to some clearer heads that will spend in on food and shelter for them....
Why don't we just go to DST, like we just did...and fucking leave it there from now on??
I hate the jumping back and forth....if DST is so much better, let's just leave it there....why can't we do that?
Cool cars....easy choice.
Thankfully, most states still do....
And they should, it is a perfectly legal activity....
I mean, if I'm so plastered, that I can't walk...sure I'll find a way, but if I'm ok to drive..I drive.
Just like everyone else......of course, practice helps, and knowing to take back roads, and make sure you go the speed limit, etc.
Hell, the only time I bother looking at what the speed limit is...is after I've had a few.
Hmm..I dunno where you live...but down here, bars have large lots, and if not, the streets around them are packed, and often yes, one car per patron. This is the US, remember, people don't carpool here.
And for your other answers, I'm guess you just don't hit bars that often...what you state isn't the case. In bars, I see most people in there consuming WAY beyond what the legal limit is...and they leave there not only to go home, but to 'hop' to other bars, and carry on drinking.
Seriously, people that go to bars and drink...the ones that are really concerned about a designated driver (I've never personally met one), or not driving are a tiny minority. Most people leaving a bar are well over legally intoxicated, and yes...they do drive home.
And no..sitting drinking at home, not fun...MUCH more fun to go out and do it with the large number of other people doing the same thing. Besides, you just don't usually have as easy a time picking up chicks sitting at home drinking alone, as you do going out to a bar, being social and talking to them. And especially with women...alcohol is the perfect "conversation lubrication".
You may not like it...but it is a fact of life. If you have public places server alcohol, then, the main draw of people to that place is drinking...and no, they aren't worried about having one drink per hour. The lines at the bar waiting for more drinks kinda proves that one out.
They come up with a new rule, and rest of the nation has to adapt to it?
Fuck CA.
Quit selling coke there, or just bottle it there for their needs. I'm tired of all the restrictions on car exhausts and all...that shouldn't not affect me.
Well, Ok, where I live I can get away with modding my car since there is no *sniff* test where I live for an inspection...but still, they make a rule and often it takes the fun out of it for the rest of the states because manufacturers don't want to make multiple versions.....grrrrrr
I'm sure there are other good examples, but those are the ones that hit me off the top of my head...
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It is always best to know the laws in your state.
LOL...and exactly who would that be exactly?? Pretty much everyone is gassed up the same amount, and besides, they all have their own cars they have to somehow get home too...I mean, you don't wanna leave it in the parking lot to get broken into at night, do you?
If you pick up a girl...you gotta get her home with ya...another consideration.
It isn't like a magic fairy will drive it home for you overnight.
If they didn't mean for you to drink and drive, I'd have to think there would not be public places, with LARGE parking lots, to allow people to drive to said establishment, and partake of the beverages they are offering for sale.
I mean, you can't possibly think even a significant minority of people leaving bars, getting into their cars and leaving are anywhere near the legal limit do you?
I sure don't ever see many cars left in the parking lot after a bar closes....
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'Til they got a hold of me.
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I got no friends 'cause they read the papers.
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And I'm feeling mean.
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I got no friends 'cause they read the papers.
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No more Mister Nice Guy
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Yep...Alice had this going on a LONG time ago...
If I get pulled over (and this does vary by state)...and I know I'm toast, on his advice, I won't say a thing, won't answer a question, I will NOT take any roadside tests (that's just letting them gather evidence against you on camera) and refuse breath or blood tests.
I'll politely hold my hands out for them to put the cuffs on me, and quietly go with them...and call my atty when I get to the police station.
The main thing to do...is NOT give them any evidence....or as little as possible.
In many states, at worst on first offense, refusing any tests might get you license yanked for 6mos up to a year, but with good atty, you can get temp license to drive to/from work and for food, etc.
A PITA, of course, but much better than getting a DWI on your record...which can then keep you out of jobs, kills your insurance rates...and cost $$$$.
Ever since they lowered the BAC to the ridiculously low 0.08....a grown man, having 2 drinks with a meal, can be dangerously close to the so called legal limit.
So, it pays to know what to do....the govt these days seem to be into any kind of traffic stop mostly for revenue these days...safety is usually second place.
I'll be officials are scared shitless they'll have to refund all that fine money they took in from these folks!!!
Geez, this could be a significant loss of revenue!!!
At least, that's likely the first thoughts going through their heads....
Can you name any 'sane' countries with any such laws in place presently?
After that..I spent years bartending, waiting tables, selling clothes...etc....for a LONG time, before I got my foot in the door so to speak, and got a real job.
so, no, I didn't expect a job with anything to do with my degree (biochemistry) right out of school.
I guess people's parents don't save for their kids college these days, hence all the huge school loans?
Hmm...I think that is a stretch calling this a 'social' website.
But seriously, yeah, I guess technically it is...I've always thought of it more as a simple forum for posting thoughts, etc....not in the social website by todays standards. I was thinking of /. in terms of old school internet....didn't really consider thinking of it as a social one.
The thing is...it is VERY difficult to prove this was the reason they didn't hire you.
There is no such thing as having to fill out a "why you did or did not hire someone" form after each interview. Heck, after the interview, there is no compelling reason for the company to even contact the interviewee to say they didn't hire them, much less tell them why they did not hire them.
Why not go out and start your own company/business?
I'm not saying I agree with said policy, I think it sucks...but it is a privately owned company, and they can make their own rules. What give you, an outsider with no skin in that company's game...to tell them how to operate?
Again, I think it is a horrible rule...but they are free to do it, it isn't illegal....and no one is holding a gun to anyone's head to go work there.
Well, of course they have rights...once they are actually hired. But, they don't have an inherent right to BE hired at any one job or pay scale, that is merited by experience, and lets face it...often, it take people skills. People skills and bullshit can get you further than just pure skills some times. Fair? Maybe not, but it is fact of life.
I'm saying the entitlement generation isn't cognizant or they are at least shocked when the facts of life in the real world hit them.
Well, it is the "Golden Rule"....he who has the most gold, makes the rules. Fair? No...see my reply above....in most areas of life, this is a fact of life. Learn it, and use it to your advantage rather than do nothing but sit and bitch about it. Life isn't fair, it never has been. Earlier generations knew this a bit better coming out into the world, than current generations....the world is cruel, you have to fight for your part of it.
Gotta call bullshit on this one. There ARE jobs out there, I know...I've interviiewed and had a hard time finding qualified people. There are jobs to be had, providing YOU are skilled, have worked to be skilled, or can con your way in basically, and once you get in, you bust your ass to learn and perform.
You might have to:
1. Be very willing to move to where the jobs are, they might not be in your current preferred area. But move to another part of the country, and you can get a job. This is a fact of life in the current state of the US.
2. Be flexible...you might not get your first choice, or the pay level you want...see rule #1 if you are hungry enough for work and pay rate you want.
But again, there are jobs out there,but you have to want to work to get them...you also have to be qualified for them...if you're really not, then suck it up, take something lesser..and study and work to get skilled at what you want. Sometimes you have to to take 2x steps back, and make one back forward in the new direction.
Why are you feeling you are 'entitled' to a certain job in a certain area? Just because you WANT it? It just doesn't work that way....fame and fortune are generally not handed to you....pay your dues, struggle.....win.
It is up to YOU to do things...life, your neighbors your country really owe you nothing. It is up to YOU to do what it takes to succeed. If you fail, you have to pick yourself up, and do whatever it takes to try again to succeed.
Are you inferring that I'm old because I don't have a FB account?
As for team player...well, I think my past work has more than shown that...so, experience does count a lot. Actually....it counts a LOT out there from what I've seen.
Yes, I'm getting a bit older, but I certainly haven't seen it as a disadvantage, in fact...it has been quite an advantage when looking for new contract gigs. I've had to help interview, and we've had a hard time finding experience people, as that we want to hire skills....not pay to train for them.
It has nothing to do with a generation working to have its kids have a better life, or anything like that.
That sentiment is common...HOWEVER, past generations, even though they had it a bit easier than the previous ones..didn't expect to not have to work to attain success. They didn't expect things to be given to them just because they were good and well...just plain existed.
We've had a generation or two of kids growing up, in an environment somewhat free of competition (everyone gets a trophy because you tried), and worry about Bobby/Suzie's self esteem. We've had soccer moms and dads, running kids everywhere about town for organized games, and activies...rather than have kids somehow make their own fun playing outdoors, entertaining themselves, rather than having parents run and helicopter around them every waking moment...or, alternatively, plant them in front of the TV with an XBOX and a bag of potato chips.
The past generations, have been shielded largely from the concept of winners and losers....and they all expect (or feel entitled) to always get that 'trophy', just because they showed up to the contest.
Actually..I believe the only things they can be accused of discriminating against are: race, sex, religion, or national origin.
As another poster wrote...it isn't against the law even to ask you about these topics...it is just that they can't use them to not give you a job, but just asking questis about these isn't illegal.
Health and marriage questions...those are fair game, and as far as I know...they could use them not to hire you.
Even with all that...they never have to write down or give you a reason why they don't hire you..so, how would you prove otherwise, unless they told you, I'm not hiring you because you are an Indian, homosexual, transvestite devil worshiper....?