If you're not a US citizen...you should NOT be allowed to vote in US elections.
On a paranoid scale..lets say that anyone in the country could vote. Hmm..let's say country X would really like to sway an US, presidential or senate election. Well, they send over many of their countrymen with them set to vote how they wish.
Do you really want to have foreign countries with that kind of influence on the US?
Heck...I don't even want people from another state coming to flood and have influence on how people in my state want issues voted on... A norther state on the east coast has very different wants/needs that someone in the southern central or southwestern part of the US.
"Secondly, why do you think it's such a big problem? A lot of people who harp on this issue froth at the mouth about 'terror babies' and other inanity of that nature, but really most of the people who have children this law applies to just over here trying to make a better life for themselves, and usually do the jobs that none of the locals want to do anyway (and often get exploited and held in virtual slavery while doing so). Why shouldn't their children have a chance at all the benefits anyone else would have?
Lastly, we're a nation of immigrants. We built our strength on the backs of successive waves of immigration and we're hardly low on space or food. Why should we make it so difficult for new people to have a shot at success in the land of the free?
First, I have no problem with people following the rules and immigrating here legally. I don't believe that if you were just born here tomorrow and neither of your parents are citzens, that you should automatically be a US citizen. If you later want to immigrate, follow the rules.
As Dennis Miller put it something like "I don't mind if you want to come here to be a US citizen, just sign the fucking guest book on the way eh, eh?"
Sure, come to this country...but do it legally. If we need to modify, and I think we do, the the immigration pathway...then lets do so. However, the law of the land is the law of the land and just because it is currently inconvenient to come here legally, that doesn't give anyone the right to break that law.
If that were the case, why mess with anyone stealing money from a store register when no one is looking? It is certainly more convenient to do that than not work for a wage, eh?
One argument precisely in favor of not allowing illegal immigration, and the anchor babies that often help tie illegals to the US...is the virtual slavery you mentioned.
These people are law breakers...and since they are, they are afraid to speak up when mistreated. If they weren't here unlawfully, and weren't getting paid under the table, or using a fake SS#...they'd not be becoming a silent underclass of our society.
As for doing jobs the locals won't do....with today's unemployment?!?!?
I dare say there are plenty of locals for most any job out there right now...and since they wouldn't be illegal and afraid to come to authorities...wages likely would not be quite so depressed for many manual labor (construction jobs I've observed in particular) positions.
We have a right to regulate who and how many of whom comes into this country. It makes sense.
One of the limited, enumerated powers and responsiblities the US Constitutions gives the Federal Govt...is to secure our borders. They aren't doing that very well...are they?
Again, I don't care if you want to immigrate to the US. Just follow the rules. When you come here...don't act like this is your country of origin, you came here for a reason...to get away from there.
So, try to assimilate into the US culture. Learn the English language. Become a productive citizen...and feel free to pursue happiness.
"The standards for being a citizen at birth are set in the Constitution, so good luck changing that law or challenging it."
I know it is based on a Constiutional amendment...basically it was set up for the slaves to be considered citizens.
The intention wasn't for every visiting foreign national that could make it here in time to have a kid, to give that kid automatic citizenship.
I believe challenges to the interpretation of this amemdment are making their way through the courts up to the Supreme Court.
I do hope they interpret the law a bit more strictly that is currently seems to be interpreted.
I don't mind legal immigration...just come in throught he front door, take the test, let us know you're here. But if you just happen to be born here, while your non-citizen mom is here, and the father also is a non-citizen, then no...you should not automatically be a US citizen. You belong to your parents' country of origin. You've welcome to immigrate the legal way when you are of age, etc.
"I cannot believe there is a real requirement for English anymore - it would be divisive and against the overall policy of diversity. "
What policy of diversity are you talking about?
There is no diversity when it comes to being an American. Once a citizen, you are to assimilate into the big melting pot that is America, at least that's how it has been working till about the last few decades.
Sure, bring your cultural gifts and traditions...but make them part of the greater US culture.
Sure, you'll still be diverse in the things about you you cannot change...sex, race...etc. But when you become a US citizen, you really should cease to be a any other -ian. That's the point of becoming a US citizen. So, come here..learn the language, integrate into the society. If you want to stay German and speak only German...why bother coming to the US and going for citizenship? Same for coming from China, or Mexico or anywhere else? If you don't want to join and intergrate itno the larger American society, why fucking bother coming here and becoming a citizen.
If from wherever you came from was so great...why not stay there? Why try to change the US into YOUR country?
When I go to another country, I certainly don't expect to vote...and I don't expect them to make everything accessible in English. No, if I visit over there, I try to learn as much of the language as I can.
I've noticed that other countries don't bend over as backwards as we're trying to do of late...and I wonder why we are changing? I don't think they should...and I don't think WE should either.
"The one case that I can see non-English voting being valid: anchor-babies"
Hopefully someone will have the balls to change this law, or at least clarify the definition of it.
Isn't a challenge or two to this making its way through the court system right now?
I don't know of any other country that allows you to be ready to drop a kid out of the womb, and if you make it to home base in time, if the kid lands on your soil, it automatically becomes a citizen.
"Unfortunately no-one would get the Hispanic vote if they didnt cater to them by having Spanish translations. "
Would this NOT give extra incentive to learn the language of the land, and assimilate into the greater US culture, as past generations of immigrants did?
We are supposed to be ONE great nation, built upon the cultures and influences brought into this country by people that come here to be citizens. This model has worked pretty well until the past couple of decades. When you come to this country, to be a citizen, you become and American, and are no longer a XYZ-ian.
If you want to come here and become a US citizen...then love the country, wave the US flag, learn the language, assimilate into the culture and bring whatever gifts you have to it.
"You can be born in the USA and be a Citizen and yet not speak a word of English.
your comment exudes a latent racism..."
Excuse me?
Where exactly did I mention anything that exuded racism??
I merely stated that to become a naturalized US citizen of the US, on the tests, you must pass (with only a couple of limited exceptions) showing a proficiency in English.
Generally speaking, hard to imagine being born and raised in the US without knowing to speak English...is kind of needed to really succeed and operate in this country.
I know I'm a bit older, but this wasn't something unusual very many years ago...if you move here, live here and want to be a citizen and be productive here...you speak the language.
I'd not go to France and expect them to let me vote, or have everything labeled in English, what is the difference in that type thinking here?
I've been to Mexico more than a few times...I've noticed they don't often have everything with 2 signs, one for Spanish and one for English. Why do we make such (often expensive) concessions here in the US these days? It isn't racist to expect visitors to this country to follow the "when in Rome" type thinking, is it?
"The US does not have an official language at the Federal level. If a state only wants to issue ballots in English, I believe they can, but they are also allowed to issue them in other languages if they want to. If Nevada wanted to they could provide you with options for every single written language in the world."
You might want to check in Immigration.
If you are foreign born, and want to pass the tests to become a naturalized US citizen, you most certainly do have to show by test a proficiency in English.
"English proficiency is not required for citizenship, only that you pass a test, or were born here. There is no federal requirement that those born in the US speak english."
Actually, if you were NOT born a citizen of the US, and you become one...on the test there IS a requirement to show a proficiency in English.
And even if this where the case...why only a choice of English or Spanish? That doesn't seem quite fair to Chinese, French, Swahili, Russian...etc speakers does it?
Come to think of it...other countries have an official language, why have we in the US not even officially passed laws declaring English as our official language.
Heck, imagine how much money the Fed govt. alone could save if we only had to print stuff in one language...English.
Wait... force their students to buy a new version of a book they wrote, by submitting a revision to obsolete the old version?
Sounds like a conflict of interest, and unjust enrichment scam... IMO the prof. should be fired by the university if this sort of thing is ever discovered. "
Err...this is actually quite common!! And no...there is no rule or law against it.
"One other thing: be sure to listen to it with headphones! It's been mixed with that intention...you can use "regular" speakers, but a lot of the dynamics are lost."
This just struck me as kind of curious. Why would you mix for headphones primarily?
Is it because more people today don't invest a decent amount of money for a good home system with quality amps and speakers? Is the majority of the audience (granted, I'm a bit older) only listening to things on cheap earbuds on iPods? I prefer to get as good a copy as I can for the home system, then move to a lossy format for transportability for listening to the iPods which are only for poor listening environments like the gym, the car, or on the streetcar..etc.
Just curious as to why you specifically mix for headphones. Would a good stereo mix for good home system not sound as good on quality headphones or earbuds?
"But what happens when an Iranian nuke is "lost" and ends up in the hands of an organization that has no public ties to the Iranian government? If said organization managed to nuke New York would the US be free to nuke Tehran? What if they couldn't link the nuke to Iran and just assumed that was where it originated?"
From what I've read..and this is alluded to in other threads on this discussion, the US and other countries can basically 'fingerprint' nuclear material. If one goes off, supposedly, it won't take very long at all to know the origin.
If something nuclear comes out of Iran, and whether by accident or not it goes off in the US, I'd lay heavy money that a pretty much instant retaliation will happen to Tehran, and surrounding areas.
"Perhaps rolling a cigar using the nuclear codes as paper would make one feel a very big man and Lewinsky one very happy lady. After all, how many ladies have been helped with a cigar rolled from nuclear launch codes for thousands of really big missiles?"
Let's not forget..Monica was a pretty BIG and hefty girl.
If you were playing hide the launch code with her...well, it could easily get lost...even if you did later use a bag of flour, if you know what I mean.
I asked because I was wanting to experiment with VM's at home. At work, all the SA's have our servers all running Xen on RHEL5.
Now...everything I touch that is a VM, is linux...so, not sure if they do any Windows stuff on Xen or not. At home, I'd like VM's for Windows and even some old DOS stuff..so, perhaps I should look into VirtualBox....
"I can't even tell you how many nightmares of synching I have had with iPhones + iTunes. Heck, nearly 2 weeks ago, iTunes removed 1/2 my contacts from my phone. I have still not been able to get them to sync back up."
Interesting. Honestly, you're the first person I've heard of with an iPhone with this type of bad problems....all anecdotal I know, but none of my friends/relatives with iPhones have ever had problems like this before...
Just curious...are you using iTunes on a Mac or Windows? I'm not familiar with trying to run iTunes on Windows, wondering if that might be causing the problems?
"Social Networking: Look at pages on facebook and myspace(about the only thing still there), lots of bands have pages on there and you can find plenty of interesting stuff that way. One good strategy is too look at a friend's (one who you know has good taste) likes and check out any bands you find there."
Alas....I avoid the social networking thing due to privacy concerns, however, thank you for the other excellent suggestions, I'll look at the last.fm thing.
I live in New Orleans as I mentioned...I did find the Drive By Truckers at Jazzfest a couple years ago...just went to Bluesfest..last couple years at that I discovered Tinsley Ellis and Guitar Shorty (fantastic old guy, was Jimi Hendrix's BIL).
I'll keep looking...I guess it is still hard for me to get out of the mindset of listening and finding new good rocking music on the regular FM radio when driving around. It did work that way when I was growing up...
:)
Again..thanks for the suggestions...I'll keep trying to look, and try to stay up at least Fri or Sat nights and try to find some local venues here and stay up late enough to hear some local bands.
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If you're not a US citizen...you should NOT be allowed to vote in US elections.
On a paranoid scale..lets say that anyone in the country could vote. Hmm..let's say country X would really like to sway an US, presidential or senate election. Well, they send over many of their countrymen with them set to vote how they wish.
Do you really want to have foreign countries with that kind of influence on the US?
Heck...I don't even want people from another state coming to flood and have influence on how people in my state want issues voted on... A norther state on the east coast has very different wants/needs that someone in the southern central or southwestern part of the US.
I live in southern LA.
There is very little French/Cajun spoken down here.
And there are even fewer people here that ONLY speak that...and not English too, chere!!
Lastly, we're a nation of immigrants. We built our strength on the backs of successive waves of immigration and we're hardly low on space or food. Why should we make it so difficult for new people to have a shot at success in the land of the free?
First, I have no problem with people following the rules and immigrating here legally. I don't believe that if you were just born here tomorrow and neither of your parents are citzens, that you should automatically be a US citizen. If you later want to immigrate, follow the rules.
As Dennis Miller put it something like "I don't mind if you want to come here to be a US citizen, just sign the fucking guest book on the way eh, eh?"
Sure, come to this country...but do it legally. If we need to modify, and I think we do, the the immigration pathway...then lets do so. However, the law of the land is the law of the land and just because it is currently inconvenient to come here legally, that doesn't give anyone the right to break that law.
If that were the case, why mess with anyone stealing money from a store register when no one is looking? It is certainly more convenient to do that than not work for a wage, eh?
One argument precisely in favor of not allowing illegal immigration, and the anchor babies that often help tie illegals to the US...is the virtual slavery you mentioned.
These people are law breakers...and since they are, they are afraid to speak up when mistreated. If they weren't here unlawfully, and weren't getting paid under the table, or using a fake SS#...they'd not be becoming a silent underclass of our society.
As for doing jobs the locals won't do....with today's unemployment?!?!?
I dare say there are plenty of locals for most any job out there right now...and since they wouldn't be illegal and afraid to come to authorities...wages likely would not be quite so depressed for many manual labor (construction jobs I've observed in particular) positions.
We have a right to regulate who and how many of whom comes into this country. It makes sense.
One of the limited, enumerated powers and responsiblities the US Constitutions gives the Federal Govt...is to secure our borders. They aren't doing that very well...are they?
Again, I don't care if you want to immigrate to the US. Just follow the rules. When you come here...don't act like this is your country of origin, you came here for a reason...to get away from there.
So, try to assimilate into the US culture. Learn the English language. Become a productive citizen...and feel free to pursue happiness.
But sign the fucking guest book on the way in...
I know it is based on a Constiutional amendment...basically it was set up for the slaves to be considered citizens.
The intention wasn't for every visiting foreign national that could make it here in time to have a kid, to give that kid automatic citizenship.
I believe challenges to the interpretation of this amemdment are making their way through the courts up to the Supreme Court.
I do hope they interpret the law a bit more strictly that is currently seems to be interpreted.
I don't mind legal immigration...just come in throught he front door, take the test, let us know you're here. But if you just happen to be born here, while your non-citizen mom is here, and the father also is a non-citizen, then no...you should not automatically be a US citizen. You belong to your parents' country of origin. You've welcome to immigrate the legal way when you are of age, etc.
What policy of diversity are you talking about?
There is no diversity when it comes to being an American. Once a citizen, you are to assimilate into the big melting pot that is America, at least that's how it has been working till about the last few decades.
Sure, bring your cultural gifts and traditions...but make them part of the greater US culture.
Sure, you'll still be diverse in the things about you you cannot change...sex, race...etc. But when you become a US citizen, you really should cease to be a any other -ian. That's the point of becoming a US citizen. So, come here..learn the language, integrate into the society. If you want to stay German and speak only German...why bother coming to the US and going for citizenship? Same for coming from China, or Mexico or anywhere else? If you don't want to join and intergrate itno the larger American society, why fucking bother coming here and becoming a citizen.
If from wherever you came from was so great...why not stay there? Why try to change the US into YOUR country?
When I go to another country, I certainly don't expect to vote...and I don't expect them to make everything accessible in English. No, if I visit over there, I try to learn as much of the language as I can.
I've noticed that other countries don't bend over as backwards as we're trying to do of late...and I wonder why we are changing? I don't think they should...and I don't think WE should either.
Hopefully someone will have the balls to change this law, or at least clarify the definition of it.
Isn't a challenge or two to this making its way through the court system right now?
I don't know of any other country that allows you to be ready to drop a kid out of the womb, and if you make it to home base in time, if the kid lands on your soil, it automatically becomes a citizen.
It shouldn't be that way here either...
Would this NOT give extra incentive to learn the language of the land, and assimilate into the greater US culture, as past generations of immigrants did?
We are supposed to be ONE great nation, built upon the cultures and influences brought into this country by people that come here to be citizens. This model has worked pretty well until the past couple of decades. When you come to this country, to be a citizen, you become and American, and are no longer a XYZ-ian.
If you want to come here and become a US citizen...then love the country, wave the US flag, learn the language, assimilate into the culture and bring whatever gifts you have to it.
Excuse me?
Where exactly did I mention anything that exuded racism??
I merely stated that to become a naturalized US citizen of the US, on the tests, you must pass (with only a couple of limited exceptions) showing a proficiency in English.
Generally speaking, hard to imagine being born and raised in the US without knowing to speak English...is kind of needed to really succeed and operate in this country.
I know I'm a bit older, but this wasn't something unusual very many years ago...if you move here, live here and want to be a citizen and be productive here...you speak the language.
I'd not go to France and expect them to let me vote, or have everything labeled in English, what is the difference in that type thinking here?
I've been to Mexico more than a few times...I've noticed they don't often have everything with 2 signs, one for Spanish and one for English. Why do we make such (often expensive) concessions here in the US these days? It isn't racist to expect visitors to this country to follow the "when in Rome" type thinking, is it?
You might want to check in Immigration.
If you are foreign born, and want to pass the tests to become a naturalized US citizen, you most certainly do have to show by test a proficiency in English.
Actually, if you were NOT born a citizen of the US, and you become one...on the test there IS a requirement to show a proficiency in English.
And even if this where the case...why only a choice of English or Spanish? That doesn't seem quite fair to Chinese, French, Swahili, Russian...etc speakers does it?
Come to think of it...other countries have an official language, why have we in the US not even officially passed laws declaring English as our official language.
Heck, imagine how much money the Fed govt. alone could save if we only had to print stuff in one language...English.
I mean...is it not a requirement for those coming to this country, to attain citizenship to show on the exams, a proficiency in English??
And you do have to be a citizen of the US in order to vote, don't you?
Wait... force their students to buy a new version of a book they wrote, by submitting a revision to obsolete the old version?
Sounds like a conflict of interest, and unjust enrichment scam... IMO the prof. should be fired by the university if this sort of thing is ever discovered. "
Err...this is actually quite common!! And no...there is no rule or law against it.
I'm surprised you've not run into this before...
So, just to make sure...VirtualBox will take advantage of and use multiple cores on a box?
This just struck me as kind of curious. Why would you mix for headphones primarily?
Is it because more people today don't invest a decent amount of money for a good home system with quality amps and speakers? Is the majority of the audience (granted, I'm a bit older) only listening to things on cheap earbuds on iPods? I prefer to get as good a copy as I can for the home system, then move to a lossy format for transportability for listening to the iPods which are only for poor listening environments like the gym, the car, or on the streetcar..etc.
Just curious as to why you specifically mix for headphones. Would a good stereo mix for good home system not sound as good on quality headphones or earbuds?
From what I've read..and this is alluded to in other threads on this discussion, the US and other countries can basically 'fingerprint' nuclear material. If one goes off, supposedly, it won't take very long at all to know the origin.
If something nuclear comes out of Iran, and whether by accident or not it goes off in the US, I'd lay heavy money that a pretty much instant retaliation will happen to Tehran, and surrounding areas.
Do what I did...go to your preferences, and with some tweaking..you can set it to act just like it used to in classic fashion.
I hate the new crap too...
Let's not forget..Monica was a pretty BIG and hefty girl.
If you were playing hide the launch code with her...well, it could easily get lost...even if you did later use a bag of flour, if you know what I mean.
Wasn't there some significance to this code..they chose it in the movie for some reason?
I've been googling, but I can't seem to find what the deal was with this....
Anyone?
Anyone?
Bueller?
MR. POTATO Head!!!
I asked because I was wanting to experiment with VM's at home. At work, all the SA's have our servers all running Xen on RHEL5.
Now...everything I touch that is a VM, is linux...so, not sure if they do any Windows stuff on Xen or not. At home, I'd like VM's for Windows and even some old DOS stuff..so, perhaps I should look into VirtualBox....
Any other feedback out there on Xen vs VB?
Is Virtualbox better than Xen? What are the pluses and minuses of each?
My threads aren't working anymore...they are folded up...looks like less than 4 they are rolled up..I used to read to 0....
Geez...I wish they'd quit fsking with the site!!!
And what is with this new screwy reply to screen ???
Forcing me to preview??!!?
Who needs voter fraud, when you can have Voter Intimidation?
Interesting. Honestly, you're the first person I've heard of with an iPhone with this type of bad problems....all anecdotal I know, but none of my friends/relatives with iPhones have ever had problems like this before...
Just curious...are you using iTunes on a Mac or Windows? I'm not familiar with trying to run iTunes on Windows, wondering if that might be causing the problems?
Alas....I avoid the social networking thing due to privacy concerns, however, thank you for the other excellent suggestions, I'll look at the last.fm thing.
I live in New Orleans as I mentioned...I did find the Drive By Truckers at Jazzfest a couple years ago...just went to Bluesfest..last couple years at that I discovered Tinsley Ellis and Guitar Shorty (fantastic old guy, was Jimi Hendrix's BIL).
I'll keep looking...I guess it is still hard for me to get out of the mindset of listening and finding new good rocking music on the regular FM radio when driving around. It did work that way when I was growing up...
Again..thanks for the suggestions...I'll keep trying to look, and try to stay up at least Fri or Sat nights and try to find some local venues here and stay up late enough to hear some local bands.