The problem is not that the data set reflects the reality. The problem is not that the AI makes mistakes, but that the particular mistakes the AI makes reflect the bias of the society that programmed it.
I believe that the newer ways of "Deep Learning" methods of teaching AI will address these concerns
Sounds like just faulty programming on that article you referred to...it said this for the training of their AI:
"orthpointeâ(TM)s core product is a set of scores derived from 137 questions that are either answered by defendants or pulled from criminal records. Race is not one of the questions. "
So, it seems...that while the AI got it wrong on race, HOWEVER the AI algorithm wasn't even USING race as a factor....
And Eric Holder?
I hardly hold him in esteem as a neutral observer/actor in any situation involving race.
But for years stop and frisk was in place so black men where constantly being stopped and frisked
But even so...if blacks were being stopped and frisked, and were caught breaking the law, or re-offending, then that's a fact.
If they stopped a bunch of blacks and none of them had contraband and weren't re-offending, they were let go, or are you saying the majority of them were being frisked and framed with cops planting contraband on them?
Social media is all about making connections. Maybe you want to find people who think alike, and you want them to find you too.
I hear this all the time...and frankly I"m stumped.
Like I mentioned, I don't do social media, yet I have NO shortage of friends or ability to find people interested in things I like.
I just go out and MEET them. I like some metal too, I go to shows and meet people when I'm there. I like photography, I found a photography group in town....etc.
I find that friends I meet by doing this tend to be real and stick around, longer than friends I hear people often complaining about that they know on social media...and usually never actually meet and hang with in person.
I've honestly never found not being on FB or other social media to be a social detriment.
Pretty much all intelligent life on this planet has preference and bias that seems to stem from a very base level... Why would AI be any different?
Who wants to explain it to him?
Not a problem.
OP: You are 100% correct.
People look for patterns in everything, including individual and tribal behaviors and trends.
I can't really think of a stereotype that hasn't been or still is based largely on observable facts.
It makes sense that AI that uses deep learning and other methods will likely see trends too.
I mean, it should be simple for it to notice there aren't a lot of white guys on the floor with NBA teams.
I doubt anyone human would refute that.
So, why would it not be natural to observe the types and percentages of violent crimes committed by "X" race/gender categories?
Bias...sure, but based on facts.
So, yes...if intelligence is present (natural or artificial) , it will observe these trends, and base future trends and behavior upon these observational biases.
If you have no biases, you could not operate in this world very well, as that you would wake up to a brand new world every day.
The key is to keep the biases always in a state of adjustment based on changing trends.
I mean, I do believe, that pretty much anything you do outside of work that doesn't directly affect the business...should be off limits.
I also believe that companies should be banned from asking for credentials to log into social media, etc accounts.
However, I'm not sure I have a problem with the business' HR searching through publicly available data a person self publishes for the world.
I mean, if someone is stupid enough to post a bunch of party pictures with him sucking a skull bong in areas where this behavior is still illegal....well, that says more than a persons habit, that they are not smart enough that they should know this should be kept private, a lack of common sense you might say.
I think weed should be legalized in all the US...I don't believe in drug tests....but if you're job depends on not doing that activity, and you self "incriminate" online...well, that says you're kinda stupid and maybe not the type of employee someone would want.
As I've mentioned before, I personally take it even further, in that I have no social media accounts, and have never signed up for any to date.
I've always been concerned about this from decades back that it could impact my bottom line $$...and my livelyhood vs someones cat pics, just isn't worth it to me.
Besides, all the people that I want to converse with, know how to reach me...and we try as often as possible to get together in meatspace. We only use texting/email...and yes, even voice calls to arrange the more important face to face times.
Hmm...I"m wondering, even with liberal use of "eminent domain", it seems that digging, or above ground install and connection of this type of thing, would be quite difficult to do nationwide in the US....and that's just the private property and existing city problems. The wildly varied and often difficult terrain across the US would pose a lot of problems putting together a system like this, that requires what I'm guessing is pretty complex and massive equipment to put tube, and keep power and vacuum on such a system.
While it sounds really cool.....I'm wondering of the practicality of it in becoming anywhere near a mass transit system.
When a person earns money in country X, but has vested interested in country X and Y, there a tax liability decision is made. Normally, a person gets a reprieve for the smaller of the two amounts assessed, IF the larger of the two amounts is paid. The difference between Google (and other large enterprises) and the rest of the plebs, seems to be that Google, et al, can say "not paying in X or Y". If/you/ did that, you'd be in prison for tax evasion -- and rightly so. Google should have to prove it paid tax in Ireland, and if it's less than what it paid in France, it should have to pay France the difference between the two.
Actually it is simpler than that....
A company exists to make money, period.
They want to maximize their profits, so, they work (and hire lawyers to guide them) to pay the absolute least amount of tax they have to within each country they do business in, within the confines of the laws of those nations.
It may be a fine line, but as long as it is within that line of lawful, then there is no problem.
If you dislike the amount of tax a company/person has to pay in a country, you change the laws....simple really.
Or...do you as an individual not take EVERY tax deduction and savings you legally can?
It's okay if black people are getting murdered because I'm white. No problem that it's white cops doing it. I love your tribalism.
I was actually talking about two separate NATIONS and how they rule and govern their own peoples.
As for your comment, nope, it is horrible how many black people get killed/shot each year, the majority of which is black on black shootings.
Sad as it is, however, it isn't something that can be legislated out of existence or even moderated by govt.
That has to be something the black community does for itself...it seems to be black culture based and it has to be dealt with and solved from within that community.
If any of Apple's Chinese slaves will be committing suicide this time around. To be fair, a Chinaman's life on the railroad is worth something like two pennies, am I right?
Who cares?
It is their country, THEY need to change it.....
I thought everyone here was getting tired of the US meddling in the affairs of other countries...?
While it is sad to watch from the outside, I don't think it is really our call or our business.
I"ve heard of math, but never that apparent plural form of it....?
I was about to assume it was a typo, but I've seen others use it....is it a common misuse like folks using loose instead of lose, or just a common typo?
I would have liked one to take notes with...as that I type WAAAY faster than I can hand write....not to mention even I cannot read my own handwriting 30 minutes later, it's that bad.
I'd think a computer that is NOT hooked up to wifi or cellular would be good for that....I'd not be good if it was hooked to the internet, as that I'd likely be goofing off like most of the folks in the study.
Can they not block internet connectivity in the classrooms?
And how exactly does one defend themselves against some random asshole on Facebook who reaches out to your family and friends and messages them to accuse you of being a sex offender? Can't exactly get in a fist fight with a guy who lives in Colorado when you live in Texas...
First, you seem to have a big chip on your shoulder. Do you honestly think that white guys have it worse in life than everyone else?
Nope, didn't say that...
Just saying that the category of "white guy" is the only one that people are completely, 101% free to disparage, and attack without impunity these days.
All over sexes, and races are protected classes from attack and disparagement....."the man" is always at fault these days.
The white man is very easy to blame these days for almost any given social ill out there today.
It's also being viewed by a lot of women as a first-class ticket to unlimited media attention and a big fat legal payday.
Yep, this is the new way to make up for the perceived pay-gap women claim they experience.
It's not a good time to be a guy...especially a white guy. Anyone can hang an accusation of racist, mysoginist, xyz-ist....and it will stick and often cost you as that you are guilty till proven innocent.
Sure, some of these cases ARE legit, but there are so many out there that are not.
Guys....you need to be scared of being guys in the workforce.
Best advice is...DO NOT Attempt to date within the work environment, you are only asking for it....
What it means is, that the quantum state from a particle on Site A is transferred to a particle on Site B. This involves an entangled state of two particles in A and B. Depending on the experimental set up the entangled particle in site B may be the object the quantum state is transferred to. The "teleportation" involves a measurement in Site A, and to completely transfer the quantum state to B one needs the (classical) result of this measurement at site B.
Ok, can you put this into layman's terms, and tell me how many years away we are, from being able to have Scotty beam my pants down....?
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Not necessarily....black people DO commit a large proportion of violent crimes than other races in the US, per capita.
They are only about 13-15% of the population, but commit vastly more violent crimes in the US.
Skip to about 1:09 on the video to get to the meat of the presentation.
I believe that the newer ways of "Deep Learning" methods of teaching AI will address these concerns
Sounds like just faulty programming on that article you referred to...it said this for the training of their AI:
"orthpointeâ(TM)s core product is a set of scores derived from 137 questions that are either answered by defendants or pulled from criminal records. Race is not one of the questions. "
So, it seems...that while the AI got it wrong on race, HOWEVER the AI algorithm wasn't even USING race as a factor....
And Eric Holder?
I hardly hold him in esteem as a neutral observer/actor in any situation involving race.
But even so...if blacks were being stopped and frisked, and were caught breaking the law, or re-offending, then that's a fact.
If they stopped a bunch of blacks and none of them had contraband and weren't re-offending, they were let go, or are you saying the majority of them were being frisked and framed with cops planting contraband on them?
I don't really count /. as a social media forum.
Its just a bulletin board you can spout off on....not a place you make connections.
I hear this all the time...and frankly I"m stumped.
Like I mentioned, I don't do social media, yet I have NO shortage of friends or ability to find people interested in things I like.
I just go out and MEET them. I like some metal too, I go to shows and meet people when I'm there. I like photography, I found a photography group in town....etc.
I find that friends I meet by doing this tend to be real and stick around, longer than friends I hear people often complaining about that they know on social media...and usually never actually meet and hang with in person.
I've honestly never found not being on FB or other social media to be a social detriment.
Not a problem.
OP: You are 100% correct.
People look for patterns in everything, including individual and tribal behaviors and trends.
I can't really think of a stereotype that hasn't been or still is based largely on observable facts.
It makes sense that AI that uses deep learning and other methods will likely see trends too.
I mean, it should be simple for it to notice there aren't a lot of white guys on the floor with NBA teams.
I doubt anyone human would refute that.
So, why would it not be natural to observe the types and percentages of violent crimes committed by "X" race/gender categories?
Bias...sure, but based on facts.
So, yes...if intelligence is present (natural or artificial) , it will observe these trends, and base future trends and behavior upon these observational biases.
If you have no biases, you could not operate in this world very well, as that you would wake up to a brand new world every day.
The key is to keep the biases always in a state of adjustment based on changing trends.
Really?
Why?
Do people not know some people value privacy still these days?
I know it isn't a problem when applying for jobs that require a clearance......it is actually a big PLUS.
Really?
I seem to recall on job applications there being a place to fill in your marital status, and your DOB....?
It's been awhile since I last filled one out (I'm self employed 1099 contractor now)....but I know I've seen this on applications in the past...?
The DOB for sure.
I mean, I do believe, that pretty much anything you do outside of work that doesn't directly affect the business...should be off limits.
I also believe that companies should be banned from asking for credentials to log into social media, etc accounts.
However, I'm not sure I have a problem with the business' HR searching through publicly available data a person self publishes for the world.
I mean, if someone is stupid enough to post a bunch of party pictures with him sucking a skull bong in areas where this behavior is still illegal....well, that says more than a persons habit, that they are not smart enough that they should know this should be kept private, a lack of common sense you might say.
I think weed should be legalized in all the US...I don't believe in drug tests....but if you're job depends on not doing that activity, and you self "incriminate" online...well, that says you're kinda stupid and maybe not the type of employee someone would want.
As I've mentioned before, I personally take it even further, in that I have no social media accounts, and have never signed up for any to date.
I've always been concerned about this from decades back that it could impact my bottom line $$...and my livelyhood vs someones cat pics, just isn't worth it to me.
Besides, all the people that I want to converse with, know how to reach me...and we try as often as possible to get together in meatspace. We only use texting/email...and yes, even voice calls to arrange the more important face to face times.
While it sounds really cool.....I'm wondering of the practicality of it in becoming anywhere near a mass transit system.
You're right, I probably should have said "...while I'm still around....
You know they say only two things will survive a nuclear holocaust.....
Cockroaches and Keith Richards...
I'd rather have a few drinks with Keith Richards....while we still have him.
Actually it is simpler than that....
A company exists to make money, period.
They want to maximize their profits, so, they work (and hire lawyers to guide them) to pay the absolute least amount of tax they have to within each country they do business in, within the confines of the laws of those nations.
It may be a fine line, but as long as it is within that line of lawful, then there is no problem.
If you dislike the amount of tax a company/person has to pay in a country, you change the laws....simple really.
Or...do you as an individual not take EVERY tax deduction and savings you legally can?
I was actually talking about two separate NATIONS and how they rule and govern their own peoples.
As for your comment, nope, it is horrible how many black people get killed/shot each year, the majority of which is black on black shootings.
Sad as it is, however, it isn't something that can be legislated out of existence or even moderated by govt.
That has to be something the black community does for itself...it seems to be black culture based and it has to be dealt with and solved from within that community.
That's easy...he said "football" not "soccer".
This is a US centric site you know....should be easy to figure out.
Who cares?
It is their country, THEY need to change it.....
I thought everyone here was getting tired of the US meddling in the affairs of other countries...?
While it is sad to watch from the outside, I don't think it is really our call or our business.
What is maths?
I"ve heard of math, but never that apparent plural form of it....?
I was about to assume it was a typo, but I've seen others use it....is it a common misuse like folks using loose instead of lose, or just a common typo?
I'd think a computer that is NOT hooked up to wifi or cellular would be good for that....I'd not be good if it was hooked to the internet, as that I'd likely be goofing off like most of the folks in the study.
Can they not block internet connectivity in the classrooms?
Yet ANOTHER reason not to be on Facebook...
SS amps *have* come a long way these days...but you really gotta find a good one.
And a lot of this is subjective. To my ear, nothing beats a quality tube amp running through some large, horn loaded speakers (Klipschorns).
Nope, didn't say that...
Just saying that the category of "white guy" is the only one that people are completely, 101% free to disparage, and attack without impunity these days.
All over sexes, and races are protected classes from attack and disparagement....."the man" is always at fault these days.
The white man is very easy to blame these days for almost any given social ill out there today.
ALL amps distort...the trick is to get one that distorts that is in a manner pleasing to the ear, with proper harmonics, etc...
Yep, this is the new way to make up for the perceived pay-gap women claim they experience.
It's not a good time to be a guy...especially a white guy. Anyone can hang an accusation of racist, mysoginist, xyz-ist....and it will stick and often cost you as that you are guilty till proven innocent.
Sure, some of these cases ARE legit, but there are so many out there that are not.
Guys....you need to be scared of being guys in the workforce.
Best advice is...DO NOT Attempt to date within the work environment, you are only asking for it....
Ok, can you put this into layman's terms, and tell me how many years away we are, from being able to have Scotty beam my pants down....?
Yep...the BEST stereos still glow...