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First Object Teleported From Earth To Orbit (technologyreview.com)

Researchers in China have teleported a photon from the ground to a satellite orbiting more than 500 kilometers above. From a report: Last year, a Long March 2D rocket took off from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Centre in the Gobi Desert carrying a satellite called Micius, named after an ancient Chinese philosopher who died in 391 B.C. The rocket placed Micius in a Sun-synchronous orbit so that it passes over the same point on Earth at the same time each day. Micius is a highly sensitive photon receiver that can detect the quantum states of single photons fired from the ground. That's important because it should allow scientists to test the technological building blocks for various quantum feats such as entanglement, cryptography, and teleportation. Today, the Micius team announced the results of its first experiments. The team created the first satellite-to-ground quantum network, in the process smashing the record for the longest distance over which entanglement has been measured. And they've used this quantum network to teleport the first object from the ground to orbit. Teleportation has become a standard operation in quantum optics labs around the world. The technique relies on the strange phenomenon of entanglement. This occurs when two quantum objects, such as photons, form at the same instant and point in space and so share the same existence. In technical terms, they are described by the same wave function.

212 comments

  1. A photon is not an "object" by CajunArson · · Score: 5, Informative

    Outside of an arbitrary definition that says a photon is an object because we say so, a photon is most certainly not an "object" using any ordinary definition of the term or even a definition that the vast majority of physicists would use (i.e. than an "object" has mass, which photons most certainly don't have or else they would never be able to travel at light speed).

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    1. Re:A photon is not an "object" by turkeydance · · Score: 5, Funny

      the photon objects.

    2. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Photons object to objectification. The have no objections as to whether or not they are called objects.

    3. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      911 out of 1000000 to boot. Misleading title as usual.

    4. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Part of battleship teleported into space!"

    5. Re:A photon is not an "object" by sinij · · Score: 5, Funny

      the photon objects.

      We looked into that, but couldn't determine where exactly this objection came from.

    6. Re:A photon is not an "object" by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      A photon has mass. It's both a particle and a wave.

      Right, first of all, no, it absolutely does not have mass.

      Secondly, the fact that it's both a particle and a wave (which is an oversimplification) has nothing to do with whether it should have mass or not.

      A photon has mass. It's both a particle and a wave.

      Ditto.

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    7. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      False - otherwise solar sails wouldn't work.

    8. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's more than one type of mass boys. If you're going to argue, be specific!

      A photon has no active gravitational mass

    9. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, first of all, no, it absolutely does not have mass.

      https://cbc-wb01x.chemistry.ohio-state.edu/~woodward/ch121/ch2_atoms.htm

      http://education.jlab.org/qa/particlemass_02.html

      https://www.khanacademy.org/science/chemistry/atomic-structure-and-properties/introduction-to-the-atom/v/atomic-number-mass-number-and-isotopes

      Back to freshman chemistry for you slugger. Protons DO have mass.

      Ill even give you a bit of help:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass–energy_equivalence

      e=mc2
      Energy = (Mass * Speed of light) Squared

      Since Protons have ENERGY they MUST have mass. Otherwise Einstein was wrong. And while appeal to authority is a logical fallacy I trust him WAY more then I trust Wonkey_Monkey especially when we are talking physics.

    10. Re:A photon is not an "object" by ledow · · Score: 1

      Shit, genius.

      Someone should really tell Einstein:

      Photon
      Composition - Elementary particle
      Statistics - Bosonic
      Interactions - Electromagnetic
      Symbol - Î
      Theorized - Albert Einstein
      Mass - 0

      Mass is a very different thing to being a particle.

      And it's NOT a particle either. Or it wouldn't act like a wave. It acts LIKE a particle in some instances, and like a wave in other instances, but DOESN'T have mass. It's called the wave-particle duality, which still isn't fully explained but certainly doesn't require mass to act like a particle does.

      It is affected by gravity, but that's nothing to do with mass either (gravity is a bend in spacetime, spacetime is bent BY mass, the spacetime doesn't BEND the mass).

      If it had ANY significant mass, it would never make it out of the solar system, and you wouldn't be able to see the sun. P.S. NO, black holes don't prove that a photon has mass either. Black holes are so massive THEMSELVES that they warp spacetime such that nothing travelling in it can escape, including light or any number of zero-mass fields (including things like space and time themselves! Does time have a mass?).

      The entirety of your stupid comment falls apart once you LEARN this basic principle of physics for the first time.

      P.S. solar sails do not get "pushed" by mass of a photon, because it has none. But it has a shit-load of energy that can heat up the desert, illuminate the sun, melt ice and blind astronauts. It doesn't mean the photon has any mass, however.

      P.P.S. wanna really blow your mind? Electromagnetic waves have momentum, but no mass. Go learn physics.

    11. Re: A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think everyone is missing the real story. China launched a 2D rocket??!

    12. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you talking about protons?

    13. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A photon absolutely has mass, because it has momentum.

      What it doesn't have is rest mass.

      Learn some physics, twit.

    14. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      I was going to ask the same question, also thinking that a photon does not qualify as an 'object' either; story is nigh-unto clickbait for that reason.

    15. Re:A photon is not an "object" by grumpy-cowboy · · Score: 2

      Yes it is : Photon photon = new Photon();

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    16. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it had ANY significant mass, it would never make it out of the solar system,

      Ha, ha ha ha! What, you think solar escape velocity is greater than c? That we're living in a black hole? What a maroon. I suppose you think neutrinos never make it out of the solar system either -- or don't you think they have mass? (Hint, neutrino oscillation is a thing, so neutrinos don't move at c.)

      Photons don't have rest mass, but they're not at rest, are they? They have momentum. They have equivalent mass. They are affected by gravity, which, if the photon is escaping the solar system, reduces the photon's momentum by lowering its energy (not its speed).

    17. Re: A photon is not an "object" by Paco103 · · Score: 1

      It's not that impressive. I launched them when I was a kid. The 2 stage models were a lot more prone to problems though, so I mostly just played with the smaller C engines which were more common and cheaper.

    18. Re:A photon is not an "object" by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      A photon has no REST mass (mass at velocity = 0). It has mass due to velocity (special relativity), or as you mention, it has momentum, which implies mass. (momentum is mass times velocity, after all).

      Heck, a photon carries energy, which implies mass as well (E=mc^2, energy and mass are the same). And its energy is related to its wavelength...

    19. Re:A photon is not an "object" by profssrfink · · Score: 5, Funny

      I saw it wave from across the room.... Ill see myself out

    20. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Outside your arbitrary definition that says a photon is NOT an object, the term object isn't a technical term so I'm not sure what you complaint is really about. A photon is a particle. Can particles be though of as objects? Yes, they can.

      Photons should not be called `energy’, or `pure energy’, or anything similar. All particles are ripples in fields and have energy; photons are not special in this regard. Photons are stuff; energy is not. ...
      But for the moment, suffice it to say that energy is not itself an object. An atom is an object; energy is not. Energy is something which objects can have, and groups of objects can have — a property of objects that characterizes their behavior and their relationships to one another. ...
      What is meant by “pure energy”? This is almost always used in reference to photons, commonly in the context of an electron and a positron (or some other massive particle and anti-particle) annihilating to make two photons (recall the antiparticle of a photon is also a photon.) But it’s a terrible thing to do. Energy is something that photons have; it is not what photons are. [I have height and weight; that does not mean I am height and weight.]

    21. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least as funny as the other comments, why the "1"?

    22. Re:A photon is not an "object" by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Photon: (waves)

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    23. Re:A photon is not an "object" by r1348 · · Score: 1

      Please, tell me you're just trolling...

    24. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > a photon is most certainly not an "object" using any ordinary definition of the term

      The ordinary (for some value of ordinary in some culture) definition of the term (redundant) is a frame of reference in a high context language.
      A dream is an quantified experience. It is an object in concept that has no mass. This idea that an object requires mass is not ordinary usage.

      You mean a photon is not an object in physics. e.g. physical object.

      Try again.

    25. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it have a REST interface though?

    26. Re:A photon is not an "object" by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      You probably should have used a factory pattern, that way you could instantiate ALL the massless particles -- neutrinos, gravitons, etc.

    27. Re:A photon is not an "object" by wolfemi1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      the photon objects.

      We looked into that, but couldn't determine where exactly this objection came from.

      ...and then once we figured that out, we forgot how fast it went.

    28. Re:A photon is not an "object" by jandrese · · Score: 2

      Seemed like pretty standard technical reporting from a major news agency. In other words all of the details are wrong and/or overstated.

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    29. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. This was data transmission at best.

    30. Re:A photon is not an "object" by meerling · · Score: 1

      Having energy does not imply mass. Look at the tachyon, it's a massless particle, and it's speed is defined by it's energy, the less it has the faster it goes, so at zero energy it has infinite speed. Please not that the tachyon is still theoretical and has in no way been detected yet, or at least not as far as we know.
      (Sci-fi writers really love playing with things like tachyons, so you can blame the physicists for this one.)

    31. Re:A photon is not an "object" by D.McG. · · Score: 1

      No, no, no. Unless you're suggesting that there are multiple implementations of Photon, then it's not an interface; it's a concrete implementation of Particle.

    32. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Interesting

      About 100 years ago Bertrand Russell pointed out that probability means we can't mathematically differentiate between chance and "free will." If you graph the choices a bunch of humans make, it comes out with the same Gaussian distribution as the photon spread pattern.

      There seem to be many differences between "objects" at the atomic scale, and sub-atomic particles. Rather than being the same as teleportation of an object, this seems to be more the same as teleportation of intent; it has no weight at all. It is a measurable thing, but it is not guaranteed to have substance outside of a narrow context.

    33. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      You mean like how they perpetually misuse the term 'Artificial Intelligence'?

    34. Re:A photon is not an "object" by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Right, first of all, no, it absolutely does not have mass.

      Photons have momentum, they have inertia, they are affected by gravitational fields, and they generate gravitational fields. You could say they have no "rest mass", but since they are never at rest that is meaningless. There are experiments that "stopped" light in a Bose-Einstein condensate, but really the energy was temporarily stored in the excited state of the BEC, and during that time, the mass of the BEC increased.

       

    35. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Aighearach · · Score: 0

      Shit, genius.

      ...

      If it had ANY significant mass, it would never make it out of the solar system, and you wouldn't be able to see the sun.

      ...
        Go learn physics.

      OK cluestick, so your super-genius smartypants physiks understanmajiggin requires us to agree about a fuzzy word like "significant" in order for you to be correct. For some values of significant you're correct, for other values you're full of shit. That means, objectively, your statement is just full of shit.

      Understanding this stuff can't be done by thinking you already understand it. You have to have the mindset that you misunderstand narrow parts of it, and the rest is still in the dark. Then you can actually use what little knowledge humans do have.

    36. Re:A photon is not an "object" by meerling · · Score: 1

      Nope, that's due to the energy, not the mass.

      So with all the arguments and the pulling out of Einstein, has anyone remembered that as particles increase towards lightspeed their apparent mass increases until they at light speed they'd have infinite mass, and thus never actually reach lightspeed?
      Light ALWAYS travels through the vacuum at lightspeed. And if you haven't noticed, nothing is getting smashed around by infinite mass.

      Just because something doesn't have mass, that doesn't mean it can't affect other things.
      Also, don't forget that the Photon is the Force Carrier for the Electromagnetic Field.

      Though lets be honest here, this isn't a science site that argues hard physics, of which I'm only barely qualified to be a spectator, the same as the rest of you. There is some argument over the possibility of the photon having an unbelievably tiny mass when not at rest that may be some kind of error in a test or misunderstanding of how it works. After all, the photon is kind of weird. It's also the only force carrier we can directly sense, since I'm not including the graviton since we haven't found it and it might not even exist (It's existence is a whole different discussion, lets not go there today), and the Higgs which we indirectly experience as mass interaction with gravity and inertia.

      So basically, let's stop swinging the dicks around. The main point is that saying they teleported an object when it was only a photon is far more clickbait and deceptive than saying the IRS Scam ran from India actually helped you with your taxes.

    37. Re:A photon is not an "object" by rgbatduke · · Score: 2

      E = \gamma m_0 c^2 for massive objects, where m_0 is their rest mass. Alternatively, E^2 = m_0^2 c^4 + p^2 c^2. In neither case do electromagnetic waves have mass. Indeed, for electromagnetic waves (or photons) E = pc because m_0 = 0. This does NOT mean that E = \gamma m_0 c^2 = pc = m c^2 with m_0 = 0 and \gamma = infinity (where you effectively have to assert that 0 * infinity = 1) so that you can conclude that p = mc for electromagnetic waves for some meaningful/useful definition of mass. Note well that one cannot just assert that 0*infinity = m (for some specific, varying, value of m!) in the first place as a useful step in algebra, and there is no good way to take limits of m_0 \to 0 and v \to c to define an "asymptotic" massive electromagnetic wave of photon, at least that I've heard of.

      Either way, U(1) symmetry requires the photon to be massless, classical electromagnetic theory requires electromagnetic waves to be massless, experiments have restricted the (rest) mass of photons to be less than 10^{-18} or so kg, and \gamma is not a meaningful construct for objects with zero rest mass that propagate at the speed of light.

      Finally, to rebut the various people who WANT to make m = p/c for a photon or assert that it is not a massless particle, I quote the wikipedia page for massless particles:

      In particle physics, a massless particle is an elementary particle whose invariant mass is zero.

      That is, by definition the invariant mass of a photon is zero -- it is a massless particle. In fact, it is the first example of a massless particle given on this page, along with gluons and gravitons.

      So please, can we stop accusing people who assert that the photon is massless of being ignorant or stupid or not understanding physics. If anything, quite the contrary.

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    38. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      me not drink that pee pee part.

    39. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared.

      Thus, for a photon to have energy, it must have some mass.

      Otherwise E=MC^2 is wrong.

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    40. Re:A photon is not an "object" by nickersonm · · Score: 2

      You could say they have no "rest mass", but since they are never at rest that is meaningless.

      It's not meaningless, it's very useful: it means the m0 in the mass-energy equivalence formula is zero (E^2 = p^2 c^2 + m0^2 c^4). It's a helpful quantity elsewhere in SR and GR as well. Whether one is referring to 'rest mass' or 'relativistic mass' when writing 'mass' varies on context in physics, but is important.

    41. Re:A photon is not an "object" by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Since most people get it wrong on how solar sails work (and I'm not going to explain them here). Instead let me give you an alternative example where force can be irrelevant to mass. Repulsion of magnets is the example I'd use. The mass of the magnet doesn't matter, rather it's the strength of the magnet. If you've played with simple magnetized iron compared to neodymium you know there is a huge difference that doesn't appear related to mass.

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    42. Re:A photon is not an "object" by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      It should not surprise you. Both the words "artificial" and "intelligence" are deep philosophical questions.

      Given that artificial flavors are often quite distinguishable from the original they are trying to emulate, I am willing to accept that artificial intelligence is not equivalent to human intelligence or even mammalian intelligence. But I still expect there to be some reasonably high bar for what is intelligence even if it is artificial. Systems that employ problem solving and machine learning even if lab-controlled training is reasonable to refer to as A.I. in my opinion.

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    43. Re: A photon is not an "object" by intellitech · · Score: 1

      Photon: Still objecting to being objectified.

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    44. Re:A photon is not an "object" by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Check your fucking quantum privilege!

    45. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      The problem is when the media and the general public conflate 'machine learning' and the other things that are the more technically correct terms for what they're creating right now, with walking, talking, thinking, reasoning, self-aware, fully 'conscious' androids, like something from an Isaac Asimov novel, which is what's going on now. I'm fully convinced that there are is a sizable group of people out there that really believe that their so-called 'self driving car' is going to have full-on conversations with them as it drives them places. Nothing could be further from the truth. We currently have no idea how 'consciousness' or 'self-awareness' works therefore we can't write code for it. What we do have isn't even as smart as a dog.

    46. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared.

      Thus, for a photon to have energy, it must have some mass.

      Otherwise E=MC^2 is wrong.

      M is "rest mass", and photons indeed do have a zero rest mass.
      Special relativity relates space and time and also momentum and energy.
      A photon does not have a zero momentum, and in fact always has the same momentum, specifically "c"

      So not only do photons not travel faster than "c", but they also do not travel slower than "c".

    47. Re:A photon is not an "object" by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      No, a photon does not have mass. Its energy comes solely from its momentum.

      The full formula is

      E^2=(mc^2)^2+(pc)^2

      where p is momentum.

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    48. Re:A photon is not an "object" by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Photon, numb nuts.

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    49. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's bitztream, the autism-hating, custom EpiPen-hating, Musk-hating, Qualcomm-hating Slashdot troll!

    50. Re: A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has no rest mass.

    51. Re:A photon is not an "object" by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      So all this gravitational lensing claimed to agree with general relativity is a fraud?

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    52. Re:A photon is not an "object" by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      A photon has mass.
      It simply had no rest mass (rest means 'resting'). In other words if you could stop it, it had mo mass.
      But it is traveling with the speed of light. It has an impulse/momentum. Impulse/momentum implies mass.
      It is only nitpicking americans with bad school education (and yes in 5 minutes a Phd in Physics with similar bad education tries to contradict me ...)
      Get it: it has momentum, so it has mass. Plain and simple. Photons count as massless in the standard model 'at rest', not while they are traveling.

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    53. Re:A photon is not an "object" by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      All particles, electrons, protons, neutrons etc. p.p. behave like a wave in the right context.
      And yes, photons have mass. They simply have no mass at speed 0.

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    54. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      A photon has no mass, because it travels at the speed of light. Nevertheless, due to energy-mass equivalence, it can exert gravitational effects.

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    55. Re: A photon is not an "object" by fnogxpto · · Score: 1

      Black holes' extreme gravitational forces attract light hence photons should have mass.

    56. Re:A photon is not an "object" by fisted · · Score: 1

      s/theoretical/hypothetical/

    57. Re:A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sound of a large group of chinese scientists master bating together have fallen silent, all because of your observation.

    58. Re:A photon is not an "object" by rgbatduke · · Score: 1

      As I sit here, preparing to teach electricity and magnetism (having corrected a minor error in the electrodynamics book I wrote to help supplement Jackson while teaching graduate electrodynamics, I do find it interesting that you ignore the actual algebra I put into my previous reply and instead attempt to argue using logical fallacies. Most of the Wikipedia articles on physics are, in fact, pretty damn good, and photons are considered "massless" particles in pretty much every physics textbook that considers them, where yes, the term refers to their rest mass but also where there is no real point in considering them to be massive in any other context and some serious inconsistencies to deal with when one tries to treat e.g. h\nu/c^2 as if it is a "mass" as far as gravitation is concerned.

      A nice discussion of the latter is here:

      https://physics.stackexchange....

      And yet another article (containing many links to actual references) on the standard model in which the photon and gluon are indeed massless particles is here:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      again with many references, such as almost any textbook in physics that addresses the issue at all.

      Perhaps you could stop accusing people of ignorance and asserting that WIkipedia is written by idiots and instead provide an actual reference to a textbook or article in a peer-reviewed journal where it is claimed, with evidence, that it makes sense to associate a mass with a photon, even in the context of gravitation (where there is indeed a gravitational interaction with its ENERGY).

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    59. Re:A photon is not an "object" by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      As I said before: in typical text books, the term "mass" in respect to photons is basically always written as "resting mass", in other words, no one talks often about the moving mass.

      Momentum/Impuls is calculated (or defined by) p = h/lambda. The mass is calculate as m = (h*ny)/(c^2).

      And that is in most textbooks clearly written, with an calculation example why m0 (resting mass) is 0.

      So far I only encountered americans that try to claim that every mass (dynamic mass and resting mass) of an photon would be zero, which is clearly wrong.

      So nitpick as much as you want :D If you want tI sent you some german links abut it ...

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    60. Re:A photon is not an "object" by strikethree · · Score: 2

      Wow. That was deep.

      This was not a sarcastic response. The lack of exclamation point after 'wow' indicates that I am deep in thought. There are numerous implications in the words you just wrote. Thank you for sharing (whether or not the future finds your words right or wrong).

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    61. Re: A photon is not an "object" by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Wrong. Gravitational forces curve spacetime. Photons follow geodesics (analagous to straight lines) in spacetime.

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    62. Re:A photon is not an "object" by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      It does not have mass. It has energy only because it has momentum, which does not imply mass as you claim.

      In any case, relativistic mass is an outdated concept. These days rest mass tends to be the only mass.

      (and yes in 5 minutes a Phd in Physics with similar bad education tries to contradict me

      So what are your qualifications?

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    63. Re:A photon is not an "object" by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Depending where your ctrl or caps lock key is you could remap one of them to command, btw. All easy done in the keyboard control panel.

      I have usually deactivated caps lock, or mapped it to ctrl.

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    64. Re:A photon is not an "object" by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Replied to wrong comment.

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    65. Re: A photon is not an "object" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Light does not cause the gravitational lensing, the bending of space-time around a massive object does. The photons will travel in a straight line as normal massless or not.

  2. Did anyone tell them by HyperStasis · · Score: 1

    peekaboo is not teleportation?

    1. Re:Did anyone tell them by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Simultaneous observational cloning?

    2. Re:Did anyone tell them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm finding it hard to believe they put a photon in orbit, teleportation or not.

      But hey, we'll know for sure tomorrow: same place, same time, same photon. Or not. ;)

    3. Re:Did anyone tell them by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Are you claiming you wouldn't be happy if a transportation company claimed instantaneous travel, cloned you, moved the clone then killed the original?

    4. Re:Did anyone tell them by HumanWiki · · Score: 1

      Are you claiming you wouldn't be happy if a transportation company claimed instantaneous travel, cloned you, moved the clone then killed the original?

      Pretty sure there's a book or story about that.. Some teleportation system malfunctions and the original isn't destroyed at the source, but no one knew that's how it actually worked.. That all these people teleporting about were just perfect copies of the one that stepped in and the one that stepped was in effect killed each time.

    5. Re:Did anyone tell them by simplypeachy · · Score: 1

      Sean Williams' Twinmaker universe with its "D-Mat" technology might be what you mean. http://www.twinmakerbooks.com/...

      I first came across Williams in the sci-fi anthology "Meeting Infinity" with the short story "All The Wrong Places", which is one of the best stories I've ever read. Very moving.

    6. Re:Did anyone tell them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The story is "Think Like a Dinosaur". "Rogue Moon" (a short novel) also plays with the concept.

    7. Re:Did anyone tell them by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Are you claiming you wouldn't be happy if a transportation company claimed instantaneous travel, cloned you, moved the clone then killed the original?

      Not if he's the clone.

    8. Re:Did anyone tell them by Stele · · Score: 1

      Check out Peter Clines' "The Fold", and Blake Crouch's "Dark Matter" for interesting takes on the whole teleportation thing.

    9. Re:Did anyone tell them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always thought that "Bones" McCoy wasn't just being eccentric when it came to transporting.
      I mean, think about it. If the "you" that steps off the platform on the other end is really not the "you" that stepped on at the starting point, how would "you" or anyone else know or be able to prove it?

    10. Re:Did anyone tell them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure there's a lot more than just a book or story about that. Probably enough to fill a goodly sized bookshelf. (To say nothing of all the Star Trek episodes featuring transporter malfunctions.)

      The Prestige was a particularly interesting take on that, with a teleportation system invented by Tesla used as part of a magic act.

    11. Re: Did anyone tell them by bjamesv · · Score: 1

      Frederick Pohl did a nice treatment of this in his 1996 The Other End of Time, (likely inspired by Rogue Moon)
      http://www.frederikpohl.com/th...

    12. Re:Did anyone tell them by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Pretty sure there's a book or story about that..

      There is a short story: Fat Farm, although that may just be ordinary biological cloning. I read it a long time ago.

      It is also part of the plot of the movie The Prestige. The basic premise of this movie is that it you could teleport and create copies of yourself, rather than using that ability to acquire vast wealth and power, you would use it in a medicore magic show to duplicate what another act does using identical twins. That movie should win a Golden Raspberry for "most ridiculous premise".

  3. Too many words, mismash by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 0

    Florid descriptions are for Rolling Stone types with no word limits. This should be a summary. Half of those words are useless.

    1. Re:Too many words, mismash by Bill+Hayden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Funny, I was thinking that this was one of the better summaries that I've seen on Slashdot lately. No click-bait, all the pertinent facts, and covers a subject that's actually news for nerds. The summary is plenty good enough to not have to RTFA, which should be the top criterion for all good Slashdotters!

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    2. Re:Too many words, mismash by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      Except for that whole 'teleported' word.

    3. Re:Too many words, mismash by Bill+Hayden · · Score: 1, Informative

      Technically, teleported is the correct word. We're talking teleportation in the scientific sense, not Star Trek teleportation -- not that the unwashed masses know the difference.

      I'd actually say that "object" is the wrong word. I'm not sure I'd call a photon an object. "Particle" would be 1000% better, and much less confusing.

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    4. Re:Too many words, mismash by penandpaper · · Score: 4, Informative

      No not technically. Did particle A starting in position X end up at position Y? Was any information transferred or able to be transferred? Is faster than light communication possible? The answer to all these are no. Describing entanglement with teleportation is dumb.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    5. Re:Too many words, mismash by lgw · · Score: 1

      The problem is, elementary "particles" aren't particles in any meaningful way - the term just lingers in the vocabulary for lack of something better. For decades now it's been clear that QFT is right, and everything is a wave. There's no "duality", really, just waves that have some properties somewhat like what we might naively guess particles would have, if there were any particles. Heck, this whole "quantum teleportation" effect relies on the fact that "particle" isn't really correct.

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    6. Re:Too many words, mismash by slew · · Score: 4, Informative

      No not technically. Did particle A starting in position X end up at position Y? Was any information transferred or able to be transferred? Is faster than light communication possible? The answer to all these are no. Describing entanglement with teleportation is dumb.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Actually, quantum information was transferred. Of course there wasn't faster than light communication as quantum teleportation relies on entanglement *and* a classical communication channel.

      For each qubit of information that wants to be sent, one of a pair of entangled photons needs to be conveyed to the destination (which can be done at nearly lightspeed for photons in free-space). After this is conveyance is done, then anytime later, a qubit from a third photon can be "teleported" to the destination by use of a conventional communication channel (which obviously isn't faster than light speed).

      The way this works is you jointly measure the 3rd photon and your local singleton of the previously entangled photon which yields one of 4 joint states. This doesn't tell you the original state of the 3rd photon, only the joint state relative to the entangled photon, (but in the process collapses the state of these photons).

      You then send this description of the measurement (basically two bits of information) across a classical channel to the destination (at whatever speed you want).

      To replicate the quantum state at the destination, you manipulate the phase of the previously conveyed/entangled photon (without measuring it) according to on the results of the relative (2-bit) state description. After this manipulation, this previously conveyed entangled-photon has a non-collapsed replicated quantum state of the original 3rd photon, but the state was transmitted/teleported to its destination over a classical channel.

      You can read the details from their paper paper. Over 32 days, they managed 911 four-photon events and achieved an estimated accuracy of about 80% of conveying the quantum state (the theoretical limit accuracy of a conventional channel was about 66% w/o using information obtained using measurements of previously conveyed entangled photons).

      Remember you can't simply pre-measure a quantum state w/o collapsing it to determine the accuracy rate, so accuracy was determined statistically using two entangled pairs (which is why they needed to create a four-photon-event and for which it was hard to create a process for).

      Baby steps.

    7. Re:Too many words, mismash by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

      Somebody upvote here. If I'm not mistaken, I just learned something very cool! Thank you.

  4. Scotty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... beam me up!

    1. Re:Scotty... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Well, you have to admit that "Qian, beam me up!" doesn't sound nearly as good.

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  5. Stock Traders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Won't be long now until stock traders are using this for High Speed Trades.

    1. Re:Stock Traders by CSMoran · · Score: 3, Informative

      Entanglement does not transfer information.

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    2. Re:Stock Traders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No-Communication Theorem

      In physics, the no-communication theorem is a no-go theorem from quantum information theory which states that, during measurement of an entangled quantum state, it is not possible for one observer, by making a measurement of a subsystem of the total state, to communicate information to another observer. The theorem is important because, in quantum mechanics, quantum entanglement is an effect by which certain widely separated events can be correlated in ways that suggest the possibility of instantaneous communication. The no-communication theorem gives conditions under which such transfer of information between two observers is impossible. These results can be applied to understand the so-called paradoxes in quantum mechanics, such as the EPR paradox, or violations of local realism obtained in tests of Bell's theorem. In these experiments, the no-communication theorem shows that failure of local realism does not lead to what could be referred to as "spooky communication at a distance" (in analogy with Einstein's labeling of quantum entanglement as "spooky action at a distance").

    3. Re:Stock Traders by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      The business of high speed trades is finding the shortest distance between the trader's server and the stock exchange server, as detailed in "Flash Boys: A Wall Street Revolt" by Michael Lewis. Beaming packets of data into the stock exchange server is probably no faster than having your server 1U above/below the stock exchange server in the rack.

    4. Re:Stock Traders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmm i ment in the way of replacing something like this

      https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/private-microwave-networks-financial-hft/

    5. Re:Stock Traders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But... But... Mass Effect said so.... :-(

    6. Re:Stock Traders by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      hmm i ment in the way of replacing something like this

      Teleporting over long distances would still have to be faster than having a server in the same rack as the stock exchange server.

    7. Re:Stock Traders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because financial services companies regularly lease out rack space in their data centers to any random fucktard who wants it.

      And the entire market is run by a single fucking 1U server.

      Do you even think, creimer?

      These networks exist because the financial companies do NOT rent out rack space to the highest bidder. In fact, they have their own secure data centers which are dedicated to ONLY their gear. You CAN get a private network link into their datacenter. You CANNOT just slap your server into one of their racks.

    8. Re:Stock Traders by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Do you even think, creimer?

      Can you educate yourself or do you need a box of crayons?

      On a physical, financial exchange level, generally when you're talking about high-frequency trading you're talking about high-end servers such as HPG8s sitting in a rack, collocated at exchanges with a physical cross connect from the exchange into your rack. With that physical cross connect you can "order from a menu," Lauer says. "If you want a gigabit Ethernet, it costs you X. If you want 10-gigabit Ethernet, it costs you Y. A lot of these venues now offer 10-gigabit Ethernet; it'll go directly into your 10-gigabit Arista Switch ($13,000), which is just a cut-through switch that can route that packet in nanoseconds into your server, which has a kernel bypass mechanism right into memory, and you're looking at it within a handful of microseconds."

      http://uk.pcmag.com/internet-products/12815/feature/inside-wall-streets-high-frequency-trading-technology-arms-r

    9. Re:Stock Traders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh that's amazing. You think that "collocated at exchanges with a physical cross connect" means they're in the same rack.

      They're in separate secured cages in a datacenter, with a fucking fiber link running from one cage's network gear to the other cage's network gear. That is it. They are not "1U above or below" the "single financial market server," in the same rack.

      Seriously - all you read was "servers sitting in a rack," and you thought you knew how HFT worked.

      Fucking buffoon.

    10. Re:Stock Traders by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      I personally like to educate myself with a box of crayons. Check mate atheists.

    11. Re:Stock Traders by Rich_Lather · · Score: 1

      Are you assuming an isotropic inertial frame of reference? If you could use Bell's theorem to communicate, you could use 2 different inertial frames of reference to receive data before you sent it.

    12. Re:Stock Traders by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You've got some derp on your chin. No, other side.

    13. Re: Stock Traders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you just confirmed the previous poster and refuted your own claims. Good job, jackass.

    14. Re: Stock Traders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So then how will creimer be able to transfer his deviled egg recipe to Goldman Sachs' chef in the fastest possible time?

  6. Very Funny, Scotty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...now, beam down my clothes.

  7. Feel like I need to go back to school by H3lldr0p · · Score: 3, Insightful

    in order to understand everything that was going on with the experiment. I wish the traditional media good luck in trying to translate all of that into an article for mass consumption.

    1. Re:Feel like I need to go back to school by bazorg · · Score: 1

      OH don't worry, they'll use some Star Trek clips and a car analogy and then move on to some other subject :)

    2. Re:Feel like I need to go back to school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      translate all of that into an article for mass consumption.

      Ancient Chinese Philosopher Targetted In Space! Click here to find out why.

    3. Re:Feel like I need to go back to school by yodleboy · · Score: 1

      keep an eye on ArsTechnica. They may cover this as well, and they do a pretty good job making this stuff comprehensible to the average Joe.

  8. most disrespectful story I've seen on /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Christ's keys - what they've done is amazing - can we NOT bullshit it up by then pretending it's teleportation? show some bloody respect.

    1. Re:most disrespectful story I've seen on /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Charles Fort is not wowed.

  9. "First Object Teleported"? by Maritz · · Score: 0

    Fuck off.

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    1. Re:"First Object Teleported"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The comment in totality "Fuck off." is "4, insightful"?
      WTF?

    2. Re:"First Object Teleported"? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Because this is NOT teleportation. EVERY FUCKING TIME THEY DO THIS SAME SHIT AND CALL IT TELEPORTATION.
      It's fucking NOT teleportation! And we're fucking sick of seeing the pop-sci HORSESHIT!

    3. Re:"First Object Teleported"? by Maritz · · Score: 1

      It's insightful and you know it. ;)

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  10. Also did faster than light communication! by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you are going to hype like this, why aim so low? Might as well tack on cure for cancer and solving world hunger.

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    1. Re:Also did faster than light communication! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are going to hype like this, why aim so low? Might as well tack on cure for cancer and solving world hunger, or that Trump actually accomplished something.

      All fixed.

    2. Re:Also did faster than light communication! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Treason is something and it's looking more and more like he accomplished that.

  11. Obvious Question: by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    How do they know it's the same photon?

    1. Re:Obvious Question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      All photons of the Chinese government are bar-coded for inventory control reasons.

    2. Re:Obvious Question: by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Same photon/different photon with exactly the same properties (of which a photon has a limited and fixed number)... it's somewhat arbitrary and philosophical as to whether that makes it the same photon.

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    3. Re:Obvious Question: by HumanWiki · · Score: 1

      All photons of the Chinese government are bar-coded for inventory control reasons.

      They're also limited to one photon per communication system.

    4. Re:Obvious Question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      arbitrary and philosophical

      Somewhat the antithesis of scientific I should think.

    5. Re:Obvious Question: by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      In quantum mechanics, photons are indistinguishable. They are all excitations of the the same quantum field, so it isn't meaningful to assign individuality to each photon. Mathematically, if you interchange two photons, you have done nothing to the state of the photonic quantum field.

    6. Re:Obvious Question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is only one photon. ... In the entire universe.

      Because the photon moves at the speed of light (duh), it experiences zero time. Therefore it can bounce around all over the universe, appearing everywhere at once (subject to local conditions causing shadows, reflection, etc).

      So they know it's the same because There Can Be Only One.

      (This poster cannot be held responsible for your grades if you use this answer on a physics test.)

    7. Re:Obvious Question: by Gunfighter · · Score: 1

      They asked it.

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    8. Re:Obvious Question: by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Properties of a photon also include its location in space. There are plenty of photos with identical properties save for their location in space.

    9. Re:Obvious Question: by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Nice try, but if that were true c would be infinite, gravitational lensing wouldn't be a thing, etc.

      Time dilation of a traveler fartin' around the universe at (or near) c affects the traveler. That's the crux of "time is relative, the speed of light is constant". We're used to thinking of time as a fixed march of the universe and speed/velocity being relative, when in fact the opposite is true.

  12. Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by gotan · · Score: 5, Informative

    What it means is, that the quantum state from a particle on Site A is transferred to a particle on Site B. This involves an entangled state of two particles in A and B. Depending on the experimental set up the entangled particle in site B may be the object the quantum state is transferred to. The "teleportation" involves a measurement in Site A, and to completely transfer the quantum state to B one needs the (classical) result of this measurement at site B.

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    1. Re:Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      What it means is, that the quantum state from a particle on Site A is transferred to a particle on Site B. This involves an entangled state of two particles in A and B. Depending on the experimental set up the entangled particle in site B may be the object the quantum state is transferred to. The "teleportation" involves a measurement in Site A, and to completely transfer the quantum state to B one needs the (classical) result of this measurement at site B.

      Ok, can you put this into layman's terms, and tell me how many years away we are, from being able to have Scotty beam my pants down....?

      ;)

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    2. Re:Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ok, can you put this into layman's terms, and tell me how many years away we are, from being able to have Scotty beam my pants down....?

      The best estimate is that you will be a looong way past having a use for pants by then.

    3. Re:Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      The end result is physically and fundamentally impossible to distinguish from "real", sci-fi teleportation though.

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    4. Re:Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for the part where no matter is moved between the two points, so kind of not like sci-fi teleportation at all, kind of more like sci-fi walkie talkies.

    5. Re:Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      So i understand that in order to "fully reconstruct" the state of the qubit you need a "side channel" to transmit the classical data about the original state. This supposedly means that superluminal communication is impossible.

      However can you not even tell that quantum teleportation has taken place at all until the classical information arrives and tells you it happened? If you can't observe that anything has changed at all until someone else tells you it happened it seems to be a bit of a sham.

      However if you _can_ tell that something happened, even if you can't be sure what exactly happened, why can't they send up two different stacks of entangled particles and just watch to see where the next teleportation happens? If it happens in stack A, then it's a 0, if it happens in stack B, it's a 1. You now have a binary communication channel and can just throw away the classical measurement.

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    6. Re:Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous PhD physicist here, and this is one of the better descriptions of this phenomenon I've read. It's important to note that nothing is being transported other than information - the first photon is not the second photon, but they are identical and in a quantum sense track the state of the other. In comparison to a Star Trek transporter, this would be like completely scanning an object, and transmitting that information to a second location where a perfect 3D printer duplicates the object. If this object happened to be a human (presuming we have 3D technology capable of that one day), you'd either have to destroy the first one to complete the teleportation (like in the Prestige - good movie if you've never seen it) or end up with two objects (I'll leave the bit about the "soul" out for those of you religiously minded). The key quirk of quantum entanglement is that the information seems to be transmitted instantaneously (my personal belief is that while entanglement violates the speed of light, it's speed is not infinite). I'll also add that thus far this effect is limited to photons, which themselves are pretty spooky particles in a quantum mechanical sense, doing all kinds of things that ordinary particles can't do. When the grand unified theory comes along, I suspect the wave/particle duality of light will collapse, resulting in something like "all matter is a manifestation of a superposition of standing wave fields", and we'll be back at Maxwell, but with a third, as yet unidentified, field structure.

    7. Re:Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      I think I can speak for everyone when I say "not soon enough".

      Somebody get this guy some pants! It's horrifying.

    8. Re: Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol gay

    9. Re:Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by nickersonm · · Score: 4, Informative

      You cannot tell that anything has happened by just looking at one of the entangled particles, no.

      On a very brief and undetailed level, entanglement just says that measurements of particles A & B are correlated. What happens in an entangled measurement is vaguely like this:

      1. Particles A & B are two-state systems: when measured in a certain way, they can either be a 1 or a 0. Before being measured, they are some combination of 1 and 0 and thus have a probability of being measured 1 or 0, but are not either.
      2. Particles A & B are now entangled and in a state such that each individually has a 50% chance of being either 1 or 0.
      3. Without being measured, B is moved to a long distance away.
      4. A is measured.
      5. When B is measured, it will be !A (100% of the time if the entanglement is perfect).
      6. The important part is that the people measuring B don't know what A was until someone tells them via a classical channel.
      7. If one makes continuous measurements of a stream of Bs (B1, B2, ...), they see a random pattern of 1s and 0s.
      8. The people measuring a stream of As see a random pattern of 1s and 0s, but the interesting part is the A1...An is exactly !(B1...Bn) (anticorrelated)! You can't use this to send a signal, since each measurement is itself random, but if team A sent classical messages of their results, team B could predict the measurements of B.

      Using further methods like mixing A with C and also B with D before measuring and other stuff, then telling each other what measurements of A&C resulted, it's possible to say that D4 == C4 exactly, 'teleporting' particle C4 (i.e. just reproducing the exact quantum state), but this requires measuring D1, D2, and D3 and thus destroying their state. It's more complicated than this, but resembles a logic puzzle.

    10. Re:Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not really. The problem is that we didn't take a photon in the lab, and create an identical photon in space. We took a photon in the lab, created a photon in space, then made the photon in space identical to the photon in the lab. That's a bit like taking a block of marble and carving it into *exactly* the same shape as, say, Michelangelo's David, then claiming we "teleported" the statue. Even if the final product is molecule for molecule identical, few people would call it "teleportation". Teleportation would involve taking the particles from one location and transferring them to the other, in some kind of stream or through a wormhole or something. Note that this is probably impossible.

      The key to quantum "teleportation" is that particles are indistinguishable except for a couple of quantum numbers, so if we take a particle and force it to have the same numbers as another particle, we've "teleported" it. Except that we can also distinguish particles based on position. Yes, it's true that you can take two electrons in two hydrogen atoms, exchange them, and you'd never know the difference. But we can still say the electron in that hydrogen atom over there is not the same electron as the electron in this hydrogen atom a million miles away. This isn't just a philosophical distinction: the two electrons really are different (i.e. have different quantum wavefunctions), at a physics level.

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    11. Re:Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Based on our current understanding of how the universe works, with "real" teleportation (or how we expect it to work based on our models of quantum physics) matter isn't moved between the two points either. Whatever you teleport gets reassembled at the other end from particles that weren't a part of the original and whatever was sent is now a rearranged mess. This implies that the person being beamed somewhere else dies, but the new version of them assembled at the other end has their same state so just goes on thinking they're still the original person.

    12. Re:Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Anonymous PhD physicist here, and this is one of the better descriptions of this phenomenon I've read. It's important to note that nothing is being transported other than information - the first photon is not the second photon, but they are identical and in a quantum sense track the state of the other. In comparison to a Star Trek transporter, this would be like completely scanning an object, and transmitting that information to a second location where a perfect 3D printer duplicates the object. If this object happened to be a human (presuming we have 3D technology capable of that one day), you'd either have to destroy the first one to complete the teleportation (like in the Prestige - good movie if you've never seen it) or end up with two objects (I'll leave the bit about the "soul" out for those of you religiously minded). The key quirk of quantum entanglement is that the information seems to be transmitted instantaneously (my personal belief is that while entanglement violates the speed of light, it's speed is not infinite). I'll also add that thus far this effect is limited to photons, which themselves are pretty spooky particles in a quantum mechanical sense, doing all kinds of things that ordinary particles can't do. When the grand unified theory comes along, I suspect the wave/particle duality of light will collapse, resulting in something like "all matter is a manifestation of a superposition of standing wave fields", and we'll be back at Maxwell, but with a third, as yet unidentified, field structure.

      Quantum entanglement does NOT result in information transfer. Not even if you call it "quantum teleportation". Information transfer happens as it does, at classical, non-causality-fucking speeds.

      Claiming that "quantum teleportation" results in instantaneous or faster-than-light information transfer is wrong. It's like saying flipping a coin and seeing that it landed heads up results in instantaneous or faster-than-light information transfer regarding the bottom side of the coin. Even if the coin were a lightyear thick this wouldn't be the case. The information of what the coin was was transferred to you at classical speeds before hand. Or consider 2 Schrodinger's cats in 2 boxes, one of which will be killed and one of which will just be pissed off at you for locking it in a box. Separate the boxes at classical speed, then open one box to find out what you've got. You instantly know the state of the other box, but no information was transferred in that moment. The complexity of the object being observed and the amount of time between the setup and the reveal reduce your confidence in the result (because maybe both cats die, or you fucked up your entanglement, or The Noid ruined your pizza, or whatever else).

      Hit the books.

    13. Re:Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by hord · · Score: 1

      The information is transferred at the time of entanglement and is carried with each party as a perfectly correlated unit. To say information is not transferred with entanglement is simply wrong. Otherwise there would be nothing to measure. It's true that measurements of entangled particles do not result in further communication implicitly but information about the entangled state is transferred into the measuring device. And that comes from a causal relationship at an event in the past which didn't travel faster than light.

    14. Re:Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for taking the time to post a lucid and easy to follow explanation.

    15. Re:Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      In every day life, you also lose all of your original particles and are reassembled in a similar pattern from new particles, and go on thinking you're the same person. Teleportation only speeds the process.

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    16. Re:Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basically, the information about the photon at Site A is "teleported" to the photon at Site B. So, information was teleported.

    17. Re:Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't that mean that photons are always "teleporting" by random chance by being identical to another photon somewhere else in the vast universe?

      Would it be possible to do a "multi - way teleport" in that case? Make 5 identical photons in different locations, and we have "multi - way teleport"?

    18. Re:Quantum "teleportation" is badly misnamed by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The difference is that we can measure all the properties of a marble statue that we're concerned with, but we can't do that with a photon. We can test its polarization, but we get a binary value that's the result of a probability function that we don't know. (We know how it works, just not what the values are.)

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  13. Should I short sell transportation companies? by Gabest · · Score: 1

    That's how the can do free shipping on everything!

  14. Make Up Your Mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Title: "From Earth To Orbit"
    Article: "first satellite-to-ground quantum network"

  15. Criminal Terminology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Whoever invented the term "quantum teleportation" should be sentenced to prison life. Photons are NOT "teleported", what is "teleported" is the state of the physical system they represent (and this happens through classical communication, so no faster-than-light effects, EVER).

    This is a big misunderstanding in popular science regarding the effects of quantum entanglement. You cannot use quantum entanglement to "teleport" information, nor matter.

    At most, what could be *very hypothetically* conceivable is a scenario like:
    1) you create on Earth two identical vats containing a large mass of "entangled matter", whatever it means
    2) you move one of the vats on Mars, this has be done CLASSICALLY (i.e., rockets or similar)
    3) then, on Earth, you enter a ridiculously complex chamber device, which annihilates simultaneously you and the vat, producing a large stream of data
    4) this data is transmitted (i.e., antenna link) on Mars, where it is received by another, even more ridiculously complex device
    5) this device acts on the vat on Mars, the vat is destroyed but not before you emerge from the vat.

    This is as much realistic science-fiction can go. Source: I am a quantum information scientist.

    I decline every responsibility in the case that it is not really *you* emerging from the Martian vat, but another cosmically malignant entity.

    1. Re:Criminal Terminology by Bengie · · Score: 1

      The photon gets there no sooner than c, but the sender is allowed to defer transmitting the state until the last second. A photon is nothing more than its state. Creating a photon with the same state is effectively creating the same photon. The notion of physical particles is flawed. From the perspective of the sender, the photon takes 1,000 light years to get to the target 1,000 light-years away, but the state change may have occurred 999 years after the photon was sent. You cant send faster than c, but you can send something from your future to someone else's present.

      Actually, it's nearly impossible to ever get the same photon that you sent, only its state. During the time that the photon travels, it will have taken an infinite number of paths and converted back and forth between particle pairs and a photon and infinite number of times.

  16. TL;DR Summery: by wisnoskij · · Score: 4, Funny

    They pointed a flashlight at some satellite.

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  17. Nuke the chinks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This proves beyond a doubt that we must genocide all of them. I am a proud Roman Catholic, and I believe that anyone that possesses knowledge beyond what the Church says they should have... must be tortured and killed.

    That being said, I'm OK with priests raping prepubescent children, and having drug fueled homosexual parties, because I support NAMBLA and LGBT.

    1. Re:Nuke the chinks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This proves beyond a doubt that we must genocide all of them. I am a proud Roman Catholic, and I believe that anyone that possesses knowledge beyond what the Church says they should have... must be tortured and killed.

      That being said, I'm OK with priests raping prepubescent children, and having drug fueled homosexual parties, because I support NAMBLA and LGBT.

      You are one sick motherfucker. Knowledge should be given freely to all that desire it. Wisdom, however, can only be obtained on an individual basis, if at all.

      I'm not sure why you got downvoted for supporting LGBT, though. There must be some bigots on slashdot.

  18. Ansible by Sperbels · · Score: 1

    Great. Now I'm going to have to listen to my elderly father go on (again) about how we've invented the Ansible.

    1. Re:Ansible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ansible is a really stupid invention anyway. If you think the collision detection/resolution problem is bad on e.g. Ethernet over coax, imagine the problem when any two (or more!) ansible owners in the whole frickin' universe are trying to talk at once.

      No range limit. No communication delay. No equivalent to a telephone switchboard. No channels.

      That's the real reason nobody has invented the ansible. It's useless.

  19. Teleporter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But can we do time travel with it yet?

    Great scott.

    1. Re:Teleporter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not without a flux capacitor. Duh.

    2. Re:Teleporter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I would like to know is how the time machine continued to exist in BTTF 2 when Doc was sent to a mental institution before he could create it. Also, if Biff stole the time machine in the future, went back in time WITHOUT Doc and Marty, and changed history, shouldn't they have disappeared? Shouldn't the time machine itself have disappeared? It boggles the mind.

  20. Obligatory xkcd by Shimbo · · Score: 2
  21. nothing was 'teleported' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    technically, what happened was a state change was transmitted via entanglement, but don't let facts get in the way of sensationalist journalism.

  22. Star Trek is REAL. by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    As documented in the historical documents, PANTS will be OBSOLETE in the 24th century.

    yow, that sounds like an absolute Zippyism
    also, someone please quote me on that in their .sig...

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  23. americant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we'd rather build a wall...

  24. Great job on whoever named this teleportation by Headw1nd · · Score: 3, Informative

    Scientists: laypeople are twisting our words and making hyperbolic claims based on their misunderstanding of our research.

    Other Scientists: Hey let's name this phenomenon after a fantastical and thematically similar yet completely unrelated concept in popular culture.

    1. Re:Great job on whoever named this teleportation by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      The truth is that scientists want people to be intrigued by what they do. They want to accurately explain what they do, but need a hook to get people to listen. IAAS

    2. Re:Great job on whoever named this teleportation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The truth is that scientists need to go back to school and take a few classes in humanities to learn some humility and how to communicate.

    3. Re:Great job on whoever named this teleportation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except pop culture twisted teleportation after the term was coined. Nice try.

    4. Re:Great job on whoever named this teleportation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Close,
      Other Scientists: Hey let's name this phenomenon after a fantastical and thematically similar yet completely unrelated concept in popular culture so we can get grant money.

    5. Re:Great job on whoever named this teleportation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scientists: laypeople are twisting our words and making hyperbolic claims based on their misunderstanding of our research.

      Other Scientists: Hey let's name this phenomenon after a fantastical and thematically similar yet completely unrelated concept in popular culture.

      I thought it is really CP violation. Not "teleportation"

  25. Whats next by Sla$hPot · · Score: 0

    When can they teleport planet earth into orbit? Is a photon an object?

  26. Why orbiting? by Dan+East · · Score: 1

    What is the purpose of this experiment running from orbit, or from some greater distance than it had been done before? Was there some speculation that entanglement would no longer manifest due to distance or difference in velocity or within the vacuum of space or something?

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    1. Re:Why orbiting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the point is that with this and other associated technology satellites will be able to form quantum encrypted communications links with earthbound locations. Apparently it is pretty easy to do on the ground with fiber-optics but it is quite a bit more difficult with satellites.

    2. Re:Why orbiting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. There is speculation about just about everything when it comes to quantum mechanics and relativity and how they relate.

    3. Re:Why orbiting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Entanglement in fibre is limited to about 200km, so for long-distance quantum-secured communications that's a problem requiring repeaters, and every repeater is a thing that can be attacked. Lasers in space get around that challenge: a quantum comsat in GEO could cover a large area.

      Interestingly, microgravity-made optical fibre may also get around the challenge - it's crazy pure, has an order of magnitude greater transmissivity - and Made In Space are actively researching it on the ISS.

  27. NO, nothing got 'teleported' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ugh, I despise 'teleport' in this context.

    No, the farking photon didn't jump from China up to the satellite.

    The satellite made a really good copy. That's not the same damn thing.

  28. Chinese Are Laughing by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    The Chinese people are on the slope to dominate orbital, and therefore international realtime communications.

    Westerners on Slashdot spend their time bitching about the accuracy of a title of a paper.

    This is how you lose.

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    1. Re:Chinese Are Laughing by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      That is pretty racist.

    2. Re:Chinese Are Laughing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GP's post contains no racism, so the only racism present is yours.
      IMO you misspelled nationalist.

  29. I'll be impressed by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    when they can teleport electrons, protons, and neutrons. Preferably a 200 pound mass of them that happens to be in the shape of a man. Until then, yawn.

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    1. Re:I'll be impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Teleport all 350 pounds of creimer into orbit and let him burn on reentry so we don't have to read any more of his affiliate link spam.

    2. Re:I'll be impressed by meglon · · Score: 1

      Pfft. If they can't teleport it, get it to turn inside out, AND explode... then there's nothing really to see here.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  30. correcting a programming joke, IR AWESOME. by Thud457 · · Score: 2

    surely you mean:
    Photon new_photon = new Photon(old_photon);

    after all, we're trying to duplicate the properties.

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  31. man, that is some dark shit. by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    ^This.


    The key unexamined aspect of Star Trek is that _EVERYBODY_ already knows all this, and they just doesn't care. They've been brainwashed by Starfleet to step into to the suicide booth without a second thought. Which gives you a pretty damning characterization of the pro-transporter lobby.

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    1. Re:man, that is some dark shit. by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      Especially, when there were examples when the uh, suicide booth failed and the "clone" survived. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      I would have my reservations too knowing that and having real examples of what could go wrong. "Safer than a shuttle", yea? For who.

  32. Pass the bullets and Bibles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And here in Amerika we think collage is baaad. Yeee Haw! Pass the bullets and Bibles!

  33. When can this be scaled up ... by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    to the point that we can teleport all politicians up there ... and then quickly destroy the machine before they figure out what we did and try to get back again.

  34. Until Scotty finds Archer's dog by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    All bets are off!

  35. Re:Mention facts, get modded -1 by meerling · · Score: 1

    Not at all, he's just being objective...

  36. Me, too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My cellular telephone has gadget next to the camera lens on the back that teleports a whole shit-ton of photons whenever I try to take a picture.

  37. Oh, pleeeeese! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you ever seen a photon? Neither did I! Please call us when they have "teleported" a tangible object, like a sheet of paper of a smartphone. Until then, please stop wasting our time.

    1. Re:Oh, pleeeeese! by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Uh, I see photons all the time. I would have trouble seeing without photons.

      Photons are quantum objects, but not physical objects. This is because the latter consists of matter and therefor has mass.
      "Tangible object" is less rigidly defined, and one could probably make a case either way for photons being tangible.

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  38. How does know it was the same photon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can a photon have any distinguishing characteristics that make it unique from other photons? A racing stripe, a mustache, maybe a hooked end, etc? How does one know it was the same photon "teleported" or just a different stray one?

    1. Re:How does know it was the same photon? by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

      Can a photon have any distinguishing characteristics that make it unique from other photons? A racing stripe, a mustache, maybe a hooked end, etc?

      They are distinguished by energy and polarization.

      Other than that, all photons are rigorously identical-- they are bosons, which means that they are indistinguishable (and the indistinguishability has consequences: Bose-Einstein statistics.)

      How does one know it was the same photon "teleported" or just a different stray one?

      What was teleported was actually the polarization state. The word "the same photon" technically has no meaning, since there's no way, even in principle, to tell whether it's "the same" or not, other than asking looking at whether it has the same quantum state (like polarization).

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  39. Not teleportation by erapert · · Score: 1

    It's a copy of data.
    Also, a scifi short story.

  40. less mass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If ya can't teleport mass
    you're a horses ass
    Less photon's a glowton
    I'll take a pass.

  41. Entanglement by bothorsen · · Score: 0

    Ooooh, entanglement. /me goes and gets the crowbar.

  42. It is not a teleportation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can not teleportate a photon because a photon is not an object else is a particle or wave.

    "two quantum objects, such as photons" <- photons are not objects.

    When there is a signal suppression as the presence of Sun or clouds then the message is lost and it will sound a fatality.

  43. This stuff makes me laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, before I say why I laugh, let me say that all this quantum stuff is interesting and can lead to some really great stuff - I'm NOT denying the observations or the usefulness of the various phenomena associated.

    With that said, here's what I find so funny:

    NOBODY even knows exactly what a photon is. There's the old wave/particle argument, but it's actually deeper than that: What is the precise physical/energy makeup of a single photon? For this sort of experiment to be valid, you need to know the precise details of the thing you are claiming to have teleported. If you are given two containers which each contain a single photon, can you tell one from the other? If I were to teleport one of two people, let's call them Bob and Susan, then I would recognize and know the one that arrived at the destination - and would know I had failed if somebody named Fred arrived instead. Having a scheme that cause a bunch of Freds, or other random people, to arrive at the destination might be useful, but it would not be teleportation of Bob or Susan. If you observe quantum entanglement you are certainly seeing something interesting and potentially useful, BUT how do you KNOW with absolute certainty that you are seeing the exact two photons you think? How do you know you are not seeing some third thing behaving as you hoped/expected would be the second? Not knowing this, how can you claim to have teleported the thing you cannot tell apart from any similar thing? Small amounts of uncertainty and conjecture, heaped into a massive pile do not become certainty.

    In summary, I think the quantum entanglement experiments are very interesting and I have hopes they will lead to things like faster interplanetary communications eventually (where an unknown but useful phenomenon can be USED even if not yet understood) but that's a far cry from the claim that a very specific individual thing has been teleported.

  44. Non-affiliate link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  45. Score:-5, Pwned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
  46. How's life in the hypocrite lane?

  47. Teleported a quantum state by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    a photon is most certainly not an "object" using any ordinary definition of the term or even a definition that the vast majority of physicists would use

    Absolutely right.

    And furthermore, a photon was not even what was "teleported". What was "teleported" was the polarization state of the photon. That is even less an "object".

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  48. Mass has several meanings by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    A photon has no mass, because it travels at the speed of light. Nevertheless, due to energy-mass equivalence, it can exert gravitational effects.

    A photon has no rest mass. It has gravitational mass: m = E/c^2

    Physicists mostly use the term "mass" as shorthand to mean "rest mass". Mostly. But the word "mass" can have several possible meanings in physics, so if you want to be clear, you should specify which mass.

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  49. A photon has no rest mass by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    that was obviously a typo by the AC: he meant photons, not protons.

    Again: the word "mass" can have several meanings in physics. When physicists are talking with each other, it is almost always clear from context which definition of mass is being used. But if there is any ambiguity in which use of the term is being intended, you must specify which. A photon has zero rest mass. (Because it can never be at rest. When you stop a photon, it ceases to exist as a photon.)

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  50. Tachyons are imaginary by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    Tachyons, if they existed, have a rest mass that is an imaginary number.

    (A difficulty with tachyons is that the theory only works in one dimension. With three spatial dimensions, tachyons become ill defined, because you can't be faster than light in all directions at the same time.)

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