The reported numbers are all shipping share, not market share. The number of Android tablets being sold is pretty dramatically less....
Like Apple doesn't report the "shipping share".
No, Apple does not report shipping share for tablets and iPhones because they don't have to. They only recently caught up to demand for the iPad 2 which launched several months ago.
As much as you'd like to pretend Android tablets aren't selling, they are. Just like you said Android phones weren't selling, they did. Now the same is happening with Tablets.
As much as you'd like to pretend that Android tablets are selling, they aren't. Unlike the Android phone market, tablets are not sold subsidized with a voice and data plan so you are going to have to pay full price and go month to month which is why you will not see people buying a "free" android tablet like you saw with Android phones. People buying a tablet have to deliberate want to buy one. You can also buy a Wifi tablet which obviously does not have any data plan associated with it and in that case, people are overwhelmingly choosing the iPad 2.
Now Apple has to compete.
I'm still waiting. Android might be able to flood the market with cheap/free subsidized phones but the same thing will not happen on the tablet side of things and even people who bought an android phone originally are now switching to the iPhone because of the ecosystem of accessories and third party software available for it. Apple also has a cost advantage for components through economies of scale so android tablet makers have to sell at the same price if they want to compete and still make some profit. They cannot undercut Apple on price like they could with phones without losing money on every unit.
Consisting of a large touchscreen display and minimalistic manual interface or control panel (generally only one or two buttons), the typical PADD is used for a variety of functions including logging manifests, compiling duty rosters or diagnostic reports, entering personal data, and/or accessing library computer systems.
In the 24th century, graphical controls housed underneath touch-sensitive clear panels allowed LCARS panels to be quickly reconfigured by users to suit the task at hand, including a tactile interface for visually-impaired officers. (VOY: "Year of Hell") This enabled even complicated tasks to be executed with just a few button presses. LCARS also controlled the retrieval and storage of files in the data banks housed within the ship's computer cores.
That analogy sucks. Jailbreaking your iPad doesn't suddenly give you root on every external server you walk by with it.
The point that you don't seem to be getting is that all access terminals in the trek universe were basically dumb terminals including the padd devices once you tried to go beyond basic data entry and data consumption functions.
Dude. Stop spamming your blog. That is not the same. This an an "app" whereas that is a "theme" and that was done on the iPhone before the colour Nook even existed. Obviously the iPhone was not the first either but you need to stop posting links to your blog here.
Nobody on Star Trek ever had to jailbreak their PADDs.
So I guess "Access Denied" or "Access beyond this point is restricted" or "You are not authorized to access this facility" are not cannon? What about the instances of characters hacking around security protocols and lockouts? Do you not recall the hacking of the deflector disk Magnetic locks on Star Trek: First Contact?
LCARS was more locked down than most modern computer operating systems with multiple levels of permission.
Bullshit. But anyone spending that much on a watch either spending someone else's money or has more money than sense. From a distance, nobody can tell what type of watch you have on.
One of my friends actually got one recently. I've been wanting one too myself for a while now, actually, but no idea where to find them easily.
Go to any large mall and you can find them at the booth in the middle of one of the mall hallways that does engraved gifts and cutting of keys. At least that is how things are in Canada. YMMV.
Allow me, tender age of 31 with a case of old-man-itis, to show the superiority of the wrist watch.
Steps required to tell time on a watch: --Flick wrist.
Steps required to tell time on a cell phone. --Dig through pockets, or worse yet, purse. --Flip, slide, or otherwise turn on screen. --Find clock application or tiny time display. --Put phone back in pocket or purse.
I feel naked without a wristwatch on. As a consequence, I have a garish tan line on my left wrist even in the dead of winter. And I love analog for the sole reason of I think they look cooler.
Wow. You have old-man-itis and I don't even though I'm 7 years older than you.
Steps to tell time on an iPhone:
1. Pull iPhone out of the pocket where headphone wires are coming out of.
2. HIt the home button to wake the screen.
3. There is no step three because the lock screen has the time on it.
A lot of people even have jackets with pockets specifically for cellphones.
Even a cheap arse flip phone should display the time on the main screen when you flip it open.
A real geek wouldn't be caught dead with an iPhone or iPad.
Real geeks have "jobs" as geeks and can afford an iPhone and iPad whereas people with too much time on their hands but not enough money would not.
How often do you hear of a plumber wanting to do plumbing on their time off? Plumbers will often have plumbing jobs left undone on their "honeydo" lists. The same thing goes for carpenters.
If you earn enough money to afford iOS products and you work in IT, the last thing you will want to do is tinker when you are off the clock unless if you happen to have asperger's or something.
With an internet service provider, either the company should be liable for absolutely everything that passes through their network, and they should be free to allow and to block whatever they wish or they can claim "common carrier" status and waive liability, however they are required to allow everyone to use their network.
In my opinion the same should apply to financial institutions. Visa and MasterCard should be allowed to block payments if they like, but if they do discriminate then they should be held liable when they do let illegal transactions get processed.
I do not often reveal virtually anything that could possibly tie me to what sector I work in but I can assure you that banks, foreign exchange brokers and payment processors such as Visa and MasterCard are regulated by government agencies which can impose huge fines for sending a payment to any person or organization on the OFAC of FINCEN lists. In some cases, these organizations can be financially ruined if they are blackballed other banks which they have peering relationships with as a result of repeated infractions of government regulations.
The CEO wants to play Angry Birds, so everybody gets iPhones. I've actually seen this happen at a few companies.
Well my point is that RIM is just treading water and going with Android is not a solution nor is trying to compete directly with Apple's iOS and Android. If the CEO wants to play Angry Birds then he can buy his own damn phone or tablet and play on that.
You are as clueless as the RIM CEOs. Angry Birds? The last thing a business platform needs are games. Android is not the solution because the evolution of that platform is in the hands of Google. Google does not have the best interests of its partners at heart. They are as slimy as MSFT.
BB becoming just another Android OEM is as stupid as Nokia becoming an OEM for Windows Phone 7.
RIM needs to concentrate on the business market and come up with a strategy to get their existing app ecosystem over to their new QNX platform.
They need to do that or get into the middleware/app business for other platforms.
I'm not a fan of RIM products but I'd hate to see a Canadian company go the way of Commodore by having incompetent management run it into the ground.
The co-ceos need to be "FIRED" for cause for failing to do their jobs to protect shareholder equity and grow the business. They should not get any golden parachute and should be black balled from getting another CEO jobs in any publicly traded company.
Contrary to other commentaries, I do not believe Android is the answer. They need to work on QNX and develop a bridge API similar to Apple's Carbon to allow developers of BB apps to quickly port/recompile on their QNX platform.
They also need to refocus on their core competency which is corporate users. Get out of the BB for consumers market and focus their app world store on applications applicable to business users including getting apps like gotomeeting, join.me, Citrix receiver, Salesforce.com to work seamlessly on their future "superphones" and their tablets. Speaking of tablets, get a native email, calendaring and contacts client on their tablets. They need to have a "universal" app model for their tablet/superphone platform as well.
Finally, scrap the "Playbook" name. Think of something like "WorkBook", "WorkSlate", "WorkPad", "TaskBook", "TaskPad" , or "LaunchPad" instead. Not everyone is into football which I assume is where the playbook name comes from.
Basically, they have to either do that or sell off their hardware completely and get into the application market with BBM and BB Email clients for Android and iOS to compete with Good Technologies to offer "secure" corporate email on employee's personal smartphones and tablets that is kept encrypted and separate from the personal email. Think of it like a mini VM that just runs the BB stuff securely between the mobile device and the BES servers.
Apple accounts for $7-8 billion of a total of $180-200 billion revenue. Samsung is obviously not going to like losing Apple, but currency fluctuations are more important to their bottom line than is Apple.
That is for all of Samsung http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung dummy. The total revenue for the electronics group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Electronics is unknown but the net income (profit) for 2009 was only 8.33 billion USD for that division and that group includes telecommunications, consumer electronics and semiconductor business.
That means that Apple's contribution to the bottom line of the semiconductor groups is significant and a loss of them as a customer would be devastating to Samsung.
Please read a little bit before posting nonsense. Yes, Apple will be big with 7-8 billion worth of revenue for Samsung. Samsung yearly revenue is somewhere in the $180-$200 billion. In other words, Apple is 3-7%. Currency fluctuations account for more variability than does winning or losing Apple.
Samsung is a large conglomerate of companies you dumb ass. You are comparing Samsung revenue to what Apple is buying from their flash and other chip OEM business. That part of Samsung cannot afford to lose Apple as a client. Also, revenue is not the same thing as profit. Guess which one is more important to investors? A shitload of revenue with a negative profit is worse than having less revenue and some profit.
Apple's such a huge player in the chip business, they can really distort the market if they wanted to
Being the largest doesn't actually mean that you are large. From the numbers posted in this thread it appears that Apple, at best, buys in the higher single digit number of OEM hardware. That is not big enough to distort the market.
You are simply not getting it at all. Apple is such a big player in the flash market that companies like RIM and Acer are having trouble sourcing enough flash memory for their tablets.
Don't forget that not only does Apple use flash memory in iPhones but they also sell even more iPod Touches and they are selling a lot of iPads. They also sell quite a few macbook airs which all have large SSDs in them.
Now if you compare the average size of onboard storage in android devices on the low end with iOS devices, you start to see that a big difference. Android would have to be selling 10X what Apple sells to make up the difference of what Apple consumes from the flash market and just iOS devices alone outsell all android devices combined even if you include those cheap chinese devices sold as CVS. If you count the amount of flash chips then it is even more one sided.
Uh... wait... So Apple wins if you compare phones AND mp3 players AND tablets? Seems a bit of a stretch, especially when the story is about... well.. phones. This ignores the fact that Android has absolutely nothing to do with the story, nor does the respective market shares of devices, or, sillier still, mobile OSs.
We were talking about Samsung still being able to sell memory to devices makers if this ban happens. Last I checked flash memory didn't care if it was in an Apple branded device or anything else, much less what arbitrary flavor of OS said device is running. The reasoning goes; if Apple can't sell iPhones in the US, then people will still need devices, those devices will also have (probably) Samsung memory, regardless of what OS they run.
Further, who cares? Oh no, iOS has more installs! Should I care? Is that, magically, a measure of quality now? If so, then we all know Windows is the best OS, and IE is the best browser. Apple always has been that way, they control the hardware and software, so comparing them to the rest of the ecosystem isn't very useful.
Also, is there any proof to your claim that iOS "wins" when you take in account IPod Touch and iPads? Does this ignore the various flavors of Nook, and all of the various (albeit flawed) Android tablets, including the cheap Chinese ones? What happens if I expand "Android" into "mobile devices running modified Linux kernels, since it is pretty much nothing more than a modified kernel with some skinning and tweaks.
Dude, stop it with the linux fanboyism. We are talking about how much Samsung flash capacity is used by Apple products. Apple is the largest consumer of flash memory in the world. That is a fact. They also sell most of their products quickly without having a lot of inventory sitting in the channel at any one time. They have been trying to catch up with demand for the iPad 2 for months since it was released this spring.
IPod Touches, iPhones and iPads all use flash memory and they all run iOS. Please do try to keep up. So if you compare the amount of flash memory in all iOS devices with the amount in all Android devices sold on any given day, there is more on the iOS side of things. If you just compare device numbers sold iOS wins again by a significant margin.
In a nutshell, not only are there more iOS devices sold per day but they contain more flash memory on average than Android devices. Those chinese devices that you mentioned not only do not sell very many because of their low quality but they usually have very little onboard storage.
Explain how Samsung makes money on the installed base.
This thread is about the sale of new devices and what an import ban would do to Apple. Installed base means nothing in that context.
Try to stay on topics. If you want to start a my phone is bigger than your phone jihad take it somewhere else. It's been done to death.
Install base does not make Samsung money now but neither do those activations of android phones because a lot of them have been sitting in the channel for months until the carrier ran a BOGO promotion. But what it does represent is the strength of the platform to third party developers and if you have a critical mass of devs which in turn leads to more applications, that makes the platform more attractive to people buying the devices.
Unlike with iOS, those activations are not really growing the install base very much because they many of them might be replacements and because handset makers are dragging their feet on upgrading Android on existing handsets, their resale value is almost nil so the phones being replaced are likely being recycled instead of going into the used market.
Yes, we are supposed to be looking at sale of new devices and it not only concerns phones but all devices that use Samsung chips. The facts remain that Apple is not only Samsung's largest flash chip customer but their consumption is greater than all Android phones combined and Apple products tend to not stay in the channel long which is why you do not see sales except just before a hardware refresh.
Well while Apple might activate about half that number of iPhones right now, they are growing into new markets and if you add in iPod Touches and the iPad which can be either 3G+Wifi or Wifi only then iOS comes out way ahead. If you look at install base then Android is not even close to touching iOS even if you ignored the heavy fragmentation of Android versions available for specific handsets.
How could you even get a patent on "viewing digital documents using a touch-sensitive display"? It is a passive activity of the "user", not the system and there is no description on the system responding in any way to the "viewing".
It should have been rejected unless if they at least rewrote it as "displaying digital documents using a touch sensitive display" because that is something that the device actual does.
Also with Android devices outselling Apple devices the claim would't be true even if it was limited to the mobile platform arena. There are 500,000 activation of android devices every day, and most of them contain some Samsung parts, with emphases on the flash ram.
What Samsung would lose in iPhone sales blocked in the US they would easily recover from their own phones sold in the US, as well as HTC, LG, Motorola, and twenty other brands all using Samsung memory.
I've seen this claim posted before, but when you check out the facts its either dated information or simply applied to a specific type of flash memory of a specific size.
Every single day? Really? I doubt that very much. First of all Sunday, in many parts of the world have closed shops on that day and other parts of the world close down shops on Fridays early. Even without closed shops, certain weekdays are bound to have lower traffic. Second, Apple does not just sell iPhones but they also sell iPods, iPod Touches and iPads, none of which require activation with a carrier contract. They also sell laptops and Apple TVs with flash memory which is most likely source from Samsung.
Apple is the largest OEM semiconductor buyer in the world and the largest consumer of flash memory chips.
I'm afraid that your blind love for all things google is causing you to not see the truth. Android is still outsold by iOS devices and some of those activations are for devices that were sold at a discount after sitting on the shelf for a couple of months.
Certain iOS devices on the other hand are selling almost faster than they make them even months after a new model introduction.
You might want to read links that you google more carefully. That story was posted on the 21st of this money which is 3 days ago from today or 2 day from the date you posted the link. The implication is that support was coming. What that means is that while the new build may support additional languages, there is no way of knowing if existing WP7 applications will be localized. Since MSFT did not have localization built in from the start, developers will probably have to rewrite their applications now to support other markets whereas I have applications from Japanese and German developer on my iPhone and iPad which work in english out of the box and it is easy enough to localize in any language supported by iOS if you have the resource files translated into that language. iOS had localization support from the very beginning. For all we know, MSFT might have an "ASIAN" edition with different layouts with or without hubs.
Another problem I just thought of with the hub strategy and specifically with their Xbox centric strategy is that it might not function in some countries at all.
What a trollish post and you even got a +5 "Interesting" for it.... If there's something flashy that reminds the 90's is Android and don't let me start with the icon grid that both Android and iOS shares.
Metro is actually a great interface, much more relevant that the other two. But you have to use it, of course, instead of pursuing your bashing agenda...
How is it a great interface? Do you really think a widgets based UI is better? Is the square superior to the arbitrary shape? Do you really think a tiny square is going to give anyone enough information about their "facebook" friends? Do you really think people asked for "hubs"?
I think MSFT should have concentrated on touch controls, copy and paste and other basic functionality while keeping the icon grid for the launcher. Are you one of those people who insist of changing something even if it is not broken? Unix has been chugging along for decades just fine without a need for "refactoring" just to the lulz. WIndows Phone 7 should have stayed in the MSFT research lab. Much like the Star Trek LCARS UI in the movies and TV, it was interesting to look at but completely impractical as an actual interface and the same can be said for Metro on a small screen device like a phone.
Metro places too much focus on the hubs with the big title and the busy background. The user should be free to create their own groupings instead.
Slashdot Mirror
The reported numbers are all shipping share, not market share. The number of Android tablets being sold is pretty dramatically less....
Like Apple doesn't report the "shipping share".
No, Apple does not report shipping share for tablets and iPhones because they don't have to. They only recently caught up to demand for the iPad 2 which launched several months ago.
As much as you'd like to pretend Android tablets aren't selling, they are. Just like you said Android phones weren't selling, they did. Now the same is happening with Tablets.
As much as you'd like to pretend that Android tablets are selling, they aren't. Unlike the Android phone market, tablets are not sold subsidized with a voice and data plan so you are going to have to pay full price and go month to month which is why you will not see people buying a "free" android tablet like you saw with Android phones. People buying a tablet have to deliberate want to buy one. You can also buy a Wifi tablet which obviously does not have any data plan associated with it and in that case, people are overwhelmingly choosing the iPad 2.
Now Apple has to compete.
I'm still waiting. Android might be able to flood the market with cheap/free subsidized phones but the same thing will not happen on the tablet side of things and even people who bought an android phone originally are now switching to the iPhone because of the ecosystem of accessories and third party software available for it. Apple also has a cost advantage for components through economies of scale so android tablet makers have to sell at the same price if they want to compete and still make some profit. They cannot undercut Apple on price like they could with phones without losing money on every unit.
[citation needed]
PADD stands for Personal Access Display Device.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/PADD
You can do similar things with an iPad.
LCARS
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/LCARS
Sounds a lot like the iPad to me.
That analogy sucks. Jailbreaking your iPad doesn't suddenly give you root on every external server you walk by with it.
The point that you don't seem to be getting is that all access terminals in the trek universe were basically dumb terminals including the padd devices once you tried to go beyond basic data entry and data consumption functions.
Copyright infringements?
CBS owns the copyrights and CBS sanctioned this app.
Dude. Stop spamming your blog. That is not the same. This an an "app" whereas that is a "theme" and that was done on the iPhone before the colour Nook even existed. Obviously the iPhone was not the first either but you need to stop posting links to your blog here.
Nobody on Star Trek ever had to jailbreak their PADDs.
So I guess "Access Denied" or "Access beyond this point is restricted" or "You are not authorized to access this facility" are not cannon? What about the instances of characters hacking around security protocols and lockouts? Do you not recall the hacking of the deflector disk Magnetic locks on Star Trek: First Contact?
LCARS was more locked down than most modern computer operating systems with multiple levels of permission.
Bullshit. But anyone spending that much on a watch either spending someone else's money or has more money than sense. From a distance, nobody can tell what type of watch you have on.
One of my friends actually got one recently. I've been wanting one too myself for a while now, actually, but no idea where to find them easily.
Go to any large mall and you can find them at the booth in the middle of one of the mall hallways that does engraved gifts and cutting of keys. At least that is how things are in Canada. YMMV.
Allow me, tender age of 31 with a case of old-man-itis, to show the superiority of the wrist watch.
Steps required to tell time on a watch:
--Flick wrist.
Steps required to tell time on a cell phone.
--Dig through pockets, or worse yet, purse.
--Flip, slide, or otherwise turn on screen.
--Find clock application or tiny time display.
--Put phone back in pocket or purse.
I feel naked without a wristwatch on. As a consequence, I have a garish tan line on my left wrist even in the dead of winter. And I love analog for the sole reason of I think they look cooler.
Wow. You have old-man-itis and I don't even though I'm 7 years older than you.
Steps to tell time on an iPhone:
1. Pull iPhone out of the pocket where headphone wires are coming out of.
2. HIt the home button to wake the screen.
3. There is no step three because the lock screen has the time on it.
A lot of people even have jackets with pockets specifically for cellphones.
Even a cheap arse flip phone should display the time on the main screen when you flip it open.
A real geek wouldn't be caught dead with an iPhone or iPad.
Real geeks have "jobs" as geeks and can afford an iPhone and iPad whereas people with too much time on their hands but not enough money would not.
How often do you hear of a plumber wanting to do plumbing on their time off? Plumbers will often have plumbing jobs left undone on their "honeydo" lists. The same thing goes for carpenters.
If you earn enough money to afford iOS products and you work in IT, the last thing you will want to do is tinker when you are off the clock unless if you happen to have asperger's or something.
With an internet service provider, either the company should be liable for absolutely everything that passes through their network, and they should be free to allow and to block whatever they wish or they can claim "common carrier" status and waive liability, however they are required to allow everyone to use their network.
In my opinion the same should apply to financial institutions. Visa and MasterCard should be allowed to block payments if they like, but if they do discriminate then they should be held liable when they do let illegal transactions get processed.
I do not often reveal virtually anything that could possibly tie me to what sector I work in but I can assure you that banks, foreign exchange brokers and payment processors such as Visa and MasterCard are regulated by government agencies which can impose huge fines for sending a payment to any person or organization on the OFAC of FINCEN lists. In some cases, these organizations can be financially ruined if they are blackballed other banks which they have peering relationships with as a result of repeated infractions of government regulations.
I think it is you that misses the point.
The CEO wants to play Angry Birds, so everybody gets iPhones. I've actually seen this happen at a few companies.
Well my point is that RIM is just treading water and going with Android is not a solution nor is trying to compete directly with Apple's iOS and Android. If the CEO wants to play Angry Birds then he can buy his own damn phone or tablet and play on that.
You are as clueless as the RIM CEOs. Angry Birds? The last thing a business platform needs are games. Android is not the solution because the evolution of that platform is in the hands of Google. Google does not have the best interests of its partners at heart. They are as slimy as MSFT.
BB becoming just another Android OEM is as stupid as Nokia becoming an OEM for Windows Phone 7.
RIM needs to concentrate on the business market and come up with a strategy to get their existing app ecosystem over to their new QNX platform.
They need to do that or get into the middleware/app business for other platforms.
I'm not a fan of RIM products but I'd hate to see a Canadian company go the way of Commodore by having incompetent management run it into the ground.
The co-ceos need to be "FIRED" for cause for failing to do their jobs to protect shareholder equity and grow the business. They should not get any golden parachute and should be black balled from getting another CEO jobs in any publicly traded company.
Contrary to other commentaries, I do not believe Android is the answer. They need to work on QNX and develop a bridge API similar to Apple's Carbon to allow developers of BB apps to quickly port/recompile on their QNX platform.
They also need to refocus on their core competency which is corporate users. Get out of the BB for consumers market and focus their app world store on applications applicable to business users including getting apps like gotomeeting, join.me, Citrix receiver, Salesforce.com to work seamlessly on their future "superphones" and their tablets. Speaking of tablets, get a native email, calendaring and contacts client on their tablets. They need to have a "universal" app model for their tablet/superphone platform as well.
Finally, scrap the "Playbook" name. Think of something like "WorkBook", "WorkSlate", "WorkPad", "TaskBook", "TaskPad" , or "LaunchPad" instead. Not everyone is into football which I assume is where the playbook name comes from.
Basically, they have to either do that or sell off their hardware completely and get into the application market with BBM and BB Email clients for Android and iOS to compete with Good Technologies to offer "secure" corporate email on employee's personal smartphones and tablets that is kept encrypted and separate from the personal email. Think of it like a mini VM that just runs the BB stuff securely between the mobile device and the BES servers.
Apple accounts for $7-8 billion of a total of $180-200 billion revenue. Samsung is obviously not going to like losing Apple, but currency fluctuations are more important to their bottom line than is Apple.
That is for all of Samsung http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung dummy. The total revenue for the electronics group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Electronics is unknown but the net income (profit) for 2009 was only 8.33 billion USD for that division and that group includes telecommunications, consumer electronics and semiconductor business.
That means that Apple's contribution to the bottom line of the semiconductor groups is significant and a loss of them as a customer would be devastating to Samsung.
Please read a little bit before posting nonsense. Yes, Apple will be big with 7-8 billion worth of revenue for Samsung. Samsung yearly revenue is somewhere in the $180-$200 billion. In other words, Apple is 3-7%. Currency fluctuations account for more variability than does winning or losing Apple.
Samsung is a large conglomerate of companies you dumb ass. You are comparing Samsung revenue to what Apple is buying from their flash and other chip OEM business. That part of Samsung cannot afford to lose Apple as a client. Also, revenue is not the same thing as profit. Guess which one is more important to investors? A shitload of revenue with a negative profit is worse than having less revenue and some profit.
Apple's such a huge player in the chip business, they can really distort the market if they wanted to
Being the largest doesn't actually mean that you are large. From the numbers posted in this thread it appears that Apple, at best, buys in the higher single digit number of OEM hardware. That is not big enough to distort the market.
You are simply not getting it at all. Apple is such a big player in the flash market that companies like RIM and Acer are having trouble sourcing enough flash memory for their tablets.
Don't forget that not only does Apple use flash memory in iPhones but they also sell even more iPod Touches and they are selling a lot of iPads. They also sell quite a few macbook airs which all have large SSDs in them.
Now if you compare the average size of onboard storage in android devices on the low end with iOS devices, you start to see that a big difference. Android would have to be selling 10X what Apple sells to make up the difference of what Apple consumes from the flash market and just iOS devices alone outsell all android devices combined even if you include those cheap chinese devices sold as CVS. If you count the amount of flash chips then it is even more one sided.
Uh... wait... So Apple wins if you compare phones AND mp3 players AND tablets? Seems a bit of a stretch, especially when the story is about... well.. phones. This ignores the fact that Android has absolutely nothing to do with the story, nor does the respective market shares of devices, or, sillier still, mobile OSs.
We were talking about Samsung still being able to sell memory to devices makers if this ban happens. Last I checked flash memory didn't care if it was in an Apple branded device or anything else, much less what arbitrary flavor of OS said device is running. The reasoning goes; if Apple can't sell iPhones in the US, then people will still need devices, those devices will also have (probably) Samsung memory, regardless of what OS they run.
Further, who cares? Oh no, iOS has more installs! Should I care? Is that, magically, a measure of quality now? If so, then we all know Windows is the best OS, and IE is the best browser. Apple always has been that way, they control the hardware and software, so comparing them to the rest of the ecosystem isn't very useful.
Also, is there any proof to your claim that iOS "wins" when you take in account IPod Touch and iPads? Does this ignore the various flavors of Nook, and all of the various (albeit flawed) Android tablets, including the cheap Chinese ones? What happens if I expand "Android" into "mobile devices running modified Linux kernels, since it is pretty much nothing more than a modified kernel with some skinning and tweaks.
Dude, stop it with the linux fanboyism. We are talking about how much Samsung flash capacity is used by Apple products. Apple is the largest consumer of flash memory in the world. That is a fact. They also sell most of their products quickly without having a lot of inventory sitting in the channel at any one time. They have been trying to catch up with demand for the iPad 2 for months since it was released this spring.
IPod Touches, iPhones and iPads all use flash memory and they all run iOS. Please do try to keep up. So if you compare the amount of flash memory in all iOS devices with the amount in all Android devices sold on any given day, there is more on the iOS side of things. If you just compare device numbers sold iOS wins again by a significant margin.
In a nutshell, not only are there more iOS devices sold per day but they contain more flash memory on average than Android devices. Those chinese devices that you mentioned not only do not sell very many because of their low quality but they usually have very little onboard storage.
Explain how Samsung makes money on the installed base.
This thread is about the sale of new devices and what an import ban would do to Apple. Installed base means nothing in that context.
Try to stay on topics. If you want to start a my phone is bigger than your phone jihad take it somewhere else. It's been done to death.
Install base does not make Samsung money now but neither do those activations of android phones because a lot of them have been sitting in the channel for months until the carrier ran a BOGO promotion. But what it does represent is the strength of the platform to third party developers and if you have a critical mass of devs which in turn leads to more applications, that makes the platform more attractive to people buying the devices.
Unlike with iOS, those activations are not really growing the install base very much because they many of them might be replacements and because handset makers are dragging their feet on upgrading Android on existing handsets, their resale value is almost nil so the phones being replaced are likely being recycled instead of going into the used market.
Yes, we are supposed to be looking at sale of new devices and it not only concerns phones but all devices that use Samsung chips. The facts remain that Apple is not only Samsung's largest flash chip customer but their consumption is greater than all Android phones combined and Apple products tend to not stay in the channel long which is why you do not see sales except just before a hardware refresh.
Well while Apple might activate about half that number of iPhones right now, they are growing into new markets and if you add in iPod Touches and the iPad which can be either 3G+Wifi or Wifi only then iOS comes out way ahead. If you look at install base then Android is not even close to touching iOS even if you ignored the heavy fragmentation of Android versions available for specific handsets.
So, now, if I put Ubuntu on my iPad, I can still print via AirPrint?
Why would you want to do that? If you really wanted more "unix" then you could jailbreak iOS. Installing Ubuntu makes no sense.
How could you even get a patent on "viewing digital documents using a touch-sensitive display"? It is a passive activity of the "user", not the system and there is no description on the system responding in any way to the "viewing".
It should have been rejected unless if they at least rewrote it as "displaying digital documents using a touch sensitive display" because that is something that the device actual does.
Exactly!
Also with Android devices outselling Apple devices the claim would't be true even if it was limited
to the mobile platform arena. There are 500,000 activation of android devices every day, and most
of them contain some Samsung parts, with emphases on the flash ram.
What Samsung would lose in iPhone sales blocked in the US they would easily recover
from their own phones sold in the US, as well as HTC, LG, Motorola, and twenty other
brands all using Samsung memory.
I've seen this claim posted before, but when you check out the facts its either dated
information or simply applied to a specific type of flash memory of a specific size.
Every single day? Really? I doubt that very much. First of all Sunday, in many parts of the world have closed shops on that day and other parts of the world close down shops on Fridays early. Even without closed shops, certain weekdays are bound to have lower traffic. Second, Apple does not just sell iPhones but they also sell iPods, iPod Touches and iPads, none of which require activation with a carrier contract. They also sell laptops and Apple TVs with flash memory which is most likely source from Samsung.
Apple is the largest OEM semiconductor buyer in the world and the largest consumer of flash memory chips.
I'm afraid that your blind love for all things google is causing you to not see the truth. Android is still outsold by iOS devices and some of those activations are for devices that were sold at a discount after sitting on the shelf for a couple of months.
Certain iOS devices on the other hand are selling almost faster than they make them even months after a new model introduction.
clueless.
You might want to read links that you google more carefully. That story was posted on the 21st of this money which is 3 days ago from today or 2 day from the date you posted the link. The implication is that support was coming. What that means is that while the new build may support additional languages, there is no way of knowing if existing WP7 applications will be localized. Since MSFT did not have localization built in from the start, developers will probably have to rewrite their applications now to support other markets whereas I have applications from Japanese and German developer on my iPhone and iPad which work in english out of the box and it is easy enough to localize in any language supported by iOS if you have the resource files translated into that language. iOS had localization support from the very beginning. For all we know, MSFT might have an "ASIAN" edition with different layouts with or without hubs.
Another problem I just thought of with the hub strategy and specifically with their Xbox centric strategy is that it might not function in some countries at all.
What a trollish post and you even got a +5 "Interesting" for it....
If there's something flashy that reminds the 90's is Android and don't let me start with the icon grid that both Android and iOS shares.
Metro is actually a great interface, much more relevant that the other two. But you have to use it, of course, instead of pursuing your bashing agenda...
How is it a great interface? Do you really think a widgets based UI is better? Is the square superior to the arbitrary shape? Do you really think a tiny square is going to give anyone enough information about their "facebook" friends? Do you really think people asked for "hubs"?
I think MSFT should have concentrated on touch controls, copy and paste and other basic functionality while keeping the icon grid for the launcher. Are you one of those people who insist of changing something even if it is not broken? Unix has been chugging along for decades just fine without a need for "refactoring" just to the lulz. WIndows Phone 7 should have stayed in the MSFT research lab. Much like the Star Trek LCARS UI in the movies and TV, it was interesting to look at but completely impractical as an actual interface and the same can be said for Metro on a small screen device like a phone.
Metro places too much focus on the hubs with the big title and the busy background. The user should be free to create their own groupings instead.