'A good businessman would have found a much better way to hide his income.'
A good businessman doesn't know a damn thing about hiding his income. That is what good accountants do.
'Jobs never set out to make a profit, by default that makes him a poor businessman. Great inventor, creator, motivator, and marketer, but not businessman.'
You don't seem to know much of the history at hand. Or you have confused your Steves. Waz was the inventor who didn't want to make a profit. Jobs is the one who pushed to make kits and market the computers. Waz was the first of many brilliant and creative inventors that Jobs flayed with a whip to make his ambitions unfold.
Jobs didn't invent the iMac, another brilliant employee within Apple invented the iMac. That employee probably made $100,000 that year for the trouble. Steve Jobs filled the role of a good business man and motivated that employee, recognized the profitable product out of the dozens of duds (you mention a couple small duds that failed but nobody has a perfect track record), and made sure that the proper marketing gimicks were used to generate a sensational buzz.
Jobs knows how to hire brilliant people, crack the whip until they produce results and to recognize the right results. He does the same with the inventors, designers, and marketing people. He also knows how to use his cape and wand to great effect and gets a good deal of free marketing from media attention because of it. Sorry, but that is the very definition of a good businessman. You seem to think that the bean counters and suits are the good businessmen, they aren't, they are the droids and anyone can suffer through business classes and learn to show up early and leave late until they become one.
'So what. I'd rather have an SLA than the least talented support guy in my own organization getting around to it on a best effort basis.'
Hey if you want the repair guy who took the two week training course, more power to you. Me, I prefer to have the MOST talented support guy in my own organization getting around to it on a best effort basis. That probably means within a couple hours if not immediately. The support contract tech will be there this week sometime.
Of course you might just be understaff and have incompetent IT people, in which case anyone with skill can't be bothered with your problem because they are so overwhelmed fixing the things management purchasing decisions and the incompetents they work with broke.
I've used all of the above within the last three years. Ubuntu tops the list, hands down. They are all fine distributions and you can use any of them but Ubuntu gives a much smoother experience out of the box. The available documentation for Ubuntu is much more complete, the software base available is beyond compare. With Fedora or Suse you are always hunting for packages because the particular solution for x you've found isn't in the reponsitory. If you enable the additional respositories in Ubuntu you pretty much never have that issue.
Apt + Synaptic is beyond compare for software and package management. Even after adding those to rpm-based distros you never have the sheer volume of readily installable software. You are always missing software or dependencies.
I have never had to do any manual x configuration using Ubuntu to get full functionality from my cards and displays. That includes setting up tv-out and dual displays. I can't say the same of those other distros. They have display configuration utilities but they either aren't feature complete or are buggy and you have to drop back and edit files by hand again.
That is the biggy. Ubuntu finally succeeds where no other distribution has for me as a power user. Using Ubuntu on the desktop, I don't have to edit any conf files, do any package management, or drop to the CLI at all. The others have solutions but they never completely eliminate the need. Ubuntu does for me. On the server I edit everything by hand but even there Ubuntu uses sane defaults and I have to adjust a couple settings instead of me saving confs I've hand written on floppies to use as a base.
I can't imagine what advanced stuff you can't do on Ubuntu. There is nothing you can do on Mandriva that you can't do on Ubuntu. If you want a GUI you can alter until you are blue in the face you might like Kubuntu but I personally don't waste time configuring my desktop to match whatever I learned once upon a time. Instead I learn the way the default environment functions, in two weeks you are equally productive either way and on next release/the next machine I am fully productive on day one where you have hours of tweaking to do.
I have six pc's + a dd-wrt router and no laptops. 2 Servers (1 Ubuntu, 1 Windows 2003 Server), 4 Desktops, two for my wife (she likes to run two WOW accounts) and two for me (I'm a tech so I have an Ubuntu desktop for my personal use and a windows desktop for a testbed).
'For god sake he was fired from the company he started!'
Yeah, the company he led to massive profits. He was fired by VC's and investors who thought a slick oldschool CEO could do better. After nearly going bankrupt and being bailed out by Microsoft of all people they finally brought jobs back. Jobs then led them to the iMac the multi-colored top selling personal computer (to this day as far as I know) and then the IPod and the intel macs.
Yeah, Jobs is a terrible businessman who accidently drives massive profits where 'good businessmen' can't seem to make it fly.
You realize that they are going to leave the printer sitting on your desk right? They are going to lease you the printer, then they provide the maintainence, repairs, ink, paper, etc. At the end of the month they charge you based on the number of pages you used.
'I'm in IT, and we measure all costs per page, managed or unmanaged. Most people don't even think of cost over the life of the printer, and choose inkjets because they are 1/5 the price of laser, and spend much more over the life of the printer buying ink.'
True but its an artificial increase. Once upon a time I printed 500-2000 page books on my HP deskjet printers. Not one printer died and the cartridge lasted. Now you'd run out of ink if you printed a 200 page book.
Those are starter cartridges. Some brands like HP try to trick you now. They sell the starter size cartridges (and call them 'normal') in addition to a normal size cartridge they now call 'large'. That way the salesman call tell you they come with a full cartridge and the part number matches. It still has the same amount of ink in it as the starter cartridge of old.
'How long before you see a Lexmark with this exact same technology at work? Do you think they'll go on a services model? Do you think absolutely everyone in the market will? Even the guys in China?'
I think every name brand will. They will all see what HP did and agree that higher profits are in their interest as well. They will try to compete on print quality and other non-price issues first and then finally price per page, leasing, leasing terms, etc.
Capitalism in theory causes these companies to fight each other and the consumer gets the best result. Capitalism in practice causes these companies to collaborate so that THEY achieve the best result.
Why would anyone want to rig a Philippine election? It isn't like we are talking about a real country here. What issues are you going to influence? The banning of brown rice perhaps?
'For all we know, healthy intact telomeres (which were present in the parent organism but not present in cloned copies) are an important part of a healthy balanced diet'
Possible but not probable. There are millions on things you can purchase and consume on the market that haven't undergone extensive testing. There is no reason to single out cloned meat for testing except that the idea freaks you out. That's like saying escargot needs to undergo clinical testing for safety because something as gross as snails could be dangerous. Don't try pulling the natural vs unnatural card either. Something is not more likely to be safe simply because its natural, nature has produced more things that are harmful to man than man has.
This is one of those issues that nobody cares about unless you shove it under their nose. Mandating something like this means more additional expense for the producer than just print on a label. It means they have to have seperate facilities and handle the two seperately. You can no longer send them to a single slaughter house to be butchered and mixed together. Grocery stores would also have to keep and handle the meats seperately. Instead of taking 50 of cut A and grinding it up then splitting it into 1.2lb (they are always intentionally over) packages they will have to handle and process two batches. Thousands of Grocers and processors across the country are suddenly open to liability if they make a mistake in the handling. These expenses will be passed on to EVERYONE whether they care about cloned meat or not.
Like most issues, this is something best left out of the law books. If people are really concerned then they will voice their complaints loudly enough that some vendors will voluntarily tag their meats 'all natural' and pass the premiums on to the consumers who care about the distinction.
I do agree that many will be concerned and that this will occur but I disagree that we should pass laws forcing people to behave the way we'd like each time there is a problem. The best solution in almost every case is to get rid of the existing laws, not to add new ones.
'They get diseases more easily, have shorter life-spans and suffer from all sorts of weird conditions like organs that grow at freakish speeds which results in hideous deformities.'
Yup, but the lifespans are irrelevant since we kill off these animals ahead of time anyway. The diseases we check for, so again, it doesn't matter.
I was born in cow country. All the abnormalities and birth defects occur with normally grown animals as well, they occur more frequently with clones. I could hang around a couple farms for no more than 2 years and show you enough animal deformities and abnormalities to make you swear off the regular stuff (not that the farmers would be inclined to let me document that). More frequent abnormalities occur with inbreeding and how much more inbred can you get than a clone?
I'm with those who are selling the meat. Its all the same thing.
You used a key for 98se? I had a patched copy that literally installed without a keycode. In a tech shop we had to reinstall win98se constantly, as long as we knew the customer owned a valid license we didn't need to get them to find their code.
If we did find the code, it takes 20 seconds to put it in the registry. A good way to get around the restrictions on OEM copies as well. Most of those restrictions are technical, not legal.
Okay, but we are prematurely killing these animals anyway and we check them for diseases just like any other animal. Genetically identical or not, it is still genetically no less of a 'insert animal type here' than the original.
'LOL... you are the one who apparently doesn't understand the concept of a "mountain". (Hint: they are three dimensional!)'
huh huh huh, dude you're like... so smart. Yes, they are three dimensional, a range of three dimensional mountains follows A LINE. I realize you have trouble thinking on the scope of entire states and nations but while a mountain range is wide and tall, it isn't very big compared to the US or the stretch of the US from Chicago to Portland. A three dimensional mountain to your left is still to your left and if you don't have a window on the left you won't see it.
I don't have a map with a proper scale but in the northern part of the state that the train runs through the mountains fill about 1/5 of the state. In other words, the end (or the beginning if you are coming from the other direction). For 4/5 of the state there is nothing. The mountains could represent 2-3hrs but it is a 2 DAY train ride, that isn't all in Montana but 4/5 of the route is barren so 4 times 3 hours is 12hrs of nothing with a brief 2-3hrs of mountains and foothills marking the end.
'And you didn't see them. You're either legally blind or patently retarded.'
huh huh huh, he said retarded. Kewl. What are you, twelve? I didn't claim there were no mountains or that I never saw mountains, I agreed that there are mountains and that the mountains are at the end of the trip and mark your departure from Montana. Thank you for presenting a bad map of Montana that illustrates what I said.
Trolls, I don't know why I bother. Yes, it is a mountain range that runs North and South and in the case of Montana it pretty well marks the western border of the state. Throughout the majority of a train ride that is pretty much due west through Montana you don't see that mountain range and when you do finally see it, that is an indicator that you are leaving Montana. The Montanan in the thread was quick to concur.
'The next time you feel the need to voice your little ignorant fucking opinion on things you are completely disassociated with, go to wikipedia.'
Having taken said train ride multiple times and having actually seen the view I'd say I am as much of an authority on that view as one can be. If Wikipedia disagrees then I'd say Wikipedia is wrong. Since you apparently have not taken the ride or seen the view and really don't seem to understand the concepts involved it would probably be best if you kept your ignorant fucking opinion to yourself.
'And it's easier for air to flow around two small, narrow cables than around one wide, flat cable, especially if the wide, flat cable has to be stretched across the entire front of the case to fit both a hard drive an an optical drive.'
Yes, but what are you obstructing airflow to? The only thing that gets poor air circulation due to an ide cable is the HDD/optical/floppy drives and those don't present much of a heat problem (contrary to what cooling solutions marketers want you to believe).
Unless you have 3 or 4 high speed hard drives in your case then an IDE cable allows plenty of air flow to the drives. My argument is supported by the fact that no drive that wasn't wedged between two others ever failed because of a heat problem. Optical drives don't really get that hot and hard drives fail due to mechanical problems before a little heat becomes a problem. Your heat is primarily generated by your video card and cpu and an IDE cable isn't going to interfere with routing that heat out of your case. When the air is expelled out of the top of the rear of your case then fresh cool air will be pulled (without needing a fan there) from the BOTTOM front of your case where there are vents. The IDE cables are in the top front of the case so they don't obstruct airflow there either.
People go overboard with cooling these days. A stock fan, power supply with fan, and a rear mount case fan is enough for anyone who isn't overclocking or using a raid and/or server tower. In most server towers you would need to install an additional fan in the lower front of the case and that will be more than adequate.
Lets see, you are in a train traveling west so you can look out the window and see a horizon to the north and the south. Nope, no continental divide there unless you're the engineer.
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You aren't canceling your card? Lets see, is that the same user id you use for valve? *searches for that id in his printout*
'A good businessman would have found a much better way to hide his income.'
A good businessman doesn't know a damn thing about hiding his income. That is what good accountants do.
'Jobs never set out to make a profit, by default that makes him a poor businessman. Great inventor, creator, motivator, and marketer, but not businessman.'
You don't seem to know much of the history at hand. Or you have confused your Steves. Waz was the inventor who didn't want to make a profit. Jobs is the one who pushed to make kits and market the computers. Waz was the first of many brilliant and creative inventors that Jobs flayed with a whip to make his ambitions unfold.
Jobs didn't invent the iMac, another brilliant employee within Apple invented the iMac. That employee probably made $100,000 that year for the trouble. Steve Jobs filled the role of a good business man and motivated that employee, recognized the profitable product out of the dozens of duds (you mention a couple small duds that failed but nobody has a perfect track record), and made sure that the proper marketing gimicks were used to generate a sensational buzz.
Jobs knows how to hire brilliant people, crack the whip until they produce results and to recognize the right results. He does the same with the inventors, designers, and marketing people. He also knows how to use his cape and wand to great effect and gets a good deal of free marketing from media attention because of it. Sorry, but that is the very definition of a good businessman. You seem to think that the bean counters and suits are the good businessmen, they aren't, they are the droids and anyone can suffer through business classes and learn to show up early and leave late until they become one.
'So what. I'd rather have an SLA than the least talented support guy in my own organization getting around to it on a best effort basis.'
Hey if you want the repair guy who took the two week training course, more power to you. Me, I prefer to have the MOST talented support guy in my own organization getting around to it on a best effort basis. That probably means within a couple hours if not immediately. The support contract tech will be there this week sometime.
Of course you might just be understaff and have incompetent IT people, in which case anyone with skill can't be bothered with your problem because they are so overwhelmed fixing the things management purchasing decisions and the incompetents they work with broke.
'Mandriva, Suses, Fedora, and Ubuntu'
I've used all of the above within the last three years. Ubuntu tops the list, hands down. They are all fine distributions and you can use any of them but Ubuntu gives a much smoother experience out of the box. The available documentation for Ubuntu is much more complete, the software base available is beyond compare. With Fedora or Suse you are always hunting for packages because the particular solution for x you've found isn't in the reponsitory. If you enable the additional respositories in Ubuntu you pretty much never have that issue.
Apt + Synaptic is beyond compare for software and package management. Even after adding those to rpm-based distros you never have the sheer volume of readily installable software. You are always missing software or dependencies.
I have never had to do any manual x configuration using Ubuntu to get full functionality from my cards and displays. That includes setting up tv-out and dual displays. I can't say the same of those other distros. They have display configuration utilities but they either aren't feature complete or are buggy and you have to drop back and edit files by hand again.
That is the biggy. Ubuntu finally succeeds where no other distribution has for me as a power user. Using Ubuntu on the desktop, I don't have to edit any conf files, do any package management, or drop to the CLI at all. The others have solutions but they never completely eliminate the need. Ubuntu does for me. On the server I edit everything by hand but even there Ubuntu uses sane defaults and I have to adjust a couple settings instead of me saving confs I've hand written on floppies to use as a base.
I can't imagine what advanced stuff you can't do on Ubuntu. There is nothing you can do on Mandriva that you can't do on Ubuntu. If you want a GUI you can alter until you are blue in the face you might like Kubuntu but I personally don't waste time configuring my desktop to match whatever I learned once upon a time. Instead I learn the way the default environment functions, in two weeks you are equally productive either way and on next release/the next machine I am fully productive on day one where you have hours of tweaking to do.
Compared with Ubuntu, Linspire sucks.
I have six pc's + a dd-wrt router and no laptops. 2 Servers (1 Ubuntu, 1 Windows 2003 Server), 4 Desktops, two for my wife (she likes to run two WOW accounts) and two for me (I'm a tech so I have an Ubuntu desktop for my personal use and a windows desktop for a testbed).
'So I don't think it is really ready yet for mass consumer sales of Linux on desktop.'
I hope he isn't talking to Dell. Those are precisely the kind of sales Linux needs.
'For god sake he was fired from the company he started!'
Yeah, the company he led to massive profits. He was fired by VC's and investors who thought a slick oldschool CEO could do better. After nearly going bankrupt and being bailed out by Microsoft of all people they finally brought jobs back. Jobs then led them to the iMac the multi-colored top selling personal computer (to this day as far as I know) and then the IPod and the intel macs.
Yeah, Jobs is a terrible businessman who accidently drives massive profits where 'good businessmen' can't seem to make it fly.
You realize that they are going to leave the printer sitting on your desk right? They are going to lease you the printer, then they provide the maintainence, repairs, ink, paper, etc. At the end of the month they charge you based on the number of pages you used.
'I'm in IT, and we measure all costs per page, managed or unmanaged. Most people don't even think of cost over the life of the printer, and choose inkjets because they are 1/5 the price of laser, and spend much more over the life of the printer buying ink.'
True but its an artificial increase. Once upon a time I printed 500-2000 page books on my HP deskjet printers. Not one printer died and the cartridge lasted. Now you'd run out of ink if you printed a 200 page book.
'Beats the hell out of device support on my dime every time something goes wrong with these fragile mechanical devices.'
If it actually beat paying for the device support they wouldn't be doing it. Trust me, they are profiting at your expense when all is said and done.
Those are starter cartridges. Some brands like HP try to trick you now. They sell the starter size cartridges (and call them 'normal') in addition to a normal size cartridge they now call 'large'. That way the salesman call tell you they come with a full cartridge and the part number matches. It still has the same amount of ink in it as the starter cartridge of old.
'How long before you see a Lexmark with this exact same technology at work? Do you think they'll go on a services model? Do you think absolutely everyone in the market will? Even the guys in China?'
I think every name brand will. They will all see what HP did and agree that higher profits are in their interest as well. They will try to compete on print quality and other non-price issues first and then finally price per page, leasing, leasing terms, etc.
Capitalism in theory causes these companies to fight each other and the consumer gets the best result. Capitalism in practice causes these companies to collaborate so that THEY achieve the best result.
'True, it would be stupid to stop selling printers anyway. A printer in which I don't get a print in less than a few minutes isn't very useful to me.'
You do still get the print right away. The printer is physically present in your business but you pay a lease and pay for each page you print.
'Philippine government'
Why would anyone want to rig a Philippine election? It isn't like we are talking about a real country here. What issues are you going to influence? The banning of brown rice perhaps?
'For all we know, healthy intact telomeres (which were present in the parent organism but not present in cloned copies) are an important part of a healthy balanced diet'
Possible but not probable. There are millions on things you can purchase and consume on the market that haven't undergone extensive testing. There is no reason to single out cloned meat for testing except that the idea freaks you out. That's like saying escargot needs to undergo clinical testing for safety because something as gross as snails could be dangerous. Don't try pulling the natural vs unnatural card either. Something is not more likely to be safe simply because its natural, nature has produced more things that are harmful to man than man has.
This is one of those issues that nobody cares about unless you shove it under their nose. Mandating something like this means more additional expense for the producer than just print on a label. It means they have to have seperate facilities and handle the two seperately. You can no longer send them to a single slaughter house to be butchered and mixed together. Grocery stores would also have to keep and handle the meats seperately. Instead of taking 50 of cut A and grinding it up then splitting it into 1.2lb (they are always intentionally over) packages they will have to handle and process two batches. Thousands of Grocers and processors across the country are suddenly open to liability if they make a mistake in the handling. These expenses will be passed on to EVERYONE whether they care about cloned meat or not.
Like most issues, this is something best left out of the law books. If people are really concerned then they will voice their complaints loudly enough that some vendors will voluntarily tag their meats 'all natural' and pass the premiums on to the consumers who care about the distinction.
I do agree that many will be concerned and that this will occur but I disagree that we should pass laws forcing people to behave the way we'd like each time there is a problem. The best solution in almost every case is to get rid of the existing laws, not to add new ones.
'They get diseases more easily, have shorter life-spans and suffer from all sorts of weird conditions like organs that grow at freakish speeds which results in hideous deformities.'
Yup, but the lifespans are irrelevant since we kill off these animals ahead of time anyway. The diseases we check for, so again, it doesn't matter.
I was born in cow country. All the abnormalities and birth defects occur with normally grown animals as well, they occur more frequently with clones. I could hang around a couple farms for no more than 2 years and show you enough animal deformities and abnormalities to make you swear off the regular stuff (not that the farmers would be inclined to let me document that). More frequent abnormalities occur with inbreeding and how much more inbred can you get than a clone?
I'm with those who are selling the meat. Its all the same thing.
You used a key for 98se? I had a patched copy that literally installed without a keycode. In a tech shop we had to reinstall win98se constantly, as long as we knew the customer owned a valid license we didn't need to get them to find their code.
If we did find the code, it takes 20 seconds to put it in the registry. A good way to get around the restrictions on OEM copies as well. Most of those restrictions are technical, not legal.
You missed the fine print, no proof of purchase required up to $100
Okay, but we are prematurely killing these animals anyway and we check them for diseases just like any other animal. Genetically identical or not, it is still genetically no less of a 'insert animal type here' than the original.
We were supposed to wait to have the beer? Damn I always get that part mixed up.
'LOL... you are the one who apparently doesn't understand the concept of a "mountain". (Hint: they are three dimensional!)'
huh huh huh, dude you're like... so smart. Yes, they are three dimensional, a range of three dimensional mountains follows A LINE. I realize you have trouble thinking on the scope of entire states and nations but while a mountain range is wide and tall, it isn't very big compared to the US or the stretch of the US from Chicago to Portland. A three dimensional mountain to your left is still to your left and if you don't have a window on the left you won't see it.
I don't have a map with a proper scale but in the northern part of the state that the train runs through the mountains fill about 1/5 of the state. In other words, the end (or the beginning if you are coming from the other direction). For 4/5 of the state there is nothing. The mountains could represent 2-3hrs but it is a 2 DAY train ride, that isn't all in Montana but 4/5 of the route is barren so 4 times 3 hours is 12hrs of nothing with a brief 2-3hrs of mountains and foothills marking the end.
'And you didn't see them. You're either legally blind or patently retarded.'
huh huh huh, he said retarded. Kewl. What are you, twelve? I didn't claim there were no mountains or that I never saw mountains, I agreed that there are mountains and that the mountains are at the end of the trip and mark your departure from Montana. Thank you for presenting a bad map of Montana that illustrates what I said.
'Christ, it is called a mountain range.'
Trolls, I don't know why I bother. Yes, it is a mountain range that runs North and South and in the case of Montana it pretty well marks the western border of the state. Throughout the majority of a train ride that is pretty much due west through Montana you don't see that mountain range and when you do finally see it, that is an indicator that you are leaving Montana. The Montanan in the thread was quick to concur.
'The next time you feel the need to voice your little ignorant fucking opinion on things you are completely disassociated with, go to wikipedia.'
Having taken said train ride multiple times and having actually seen the view I'd say I am as much of an authority on that view as one can be. If Wikipedia disagrees then I'd say Wikipedia is wrong. Since you apparently have not taken the ride or seen the view and really don't seem to understand the concepts involved it would probably be best if you kept your ignorant fucking opinion to yourself.
'And it's easier for air to flow around two small, narrow cables than around one wide, flat cable, especially if the wide, flat cable has to be stretched across the entire front of the case to fit both a hard drive an an optical drive.'
/floppy drives and those don't present much of a heat problem (contrary to what cooling solutions marketers want you to believe).
Yes, but what are you obstructing airflow to? The only thing that gets poor air circulation due to an ide cable is the HDD/optical
Unless you have 3 or 4 high speed hard drives in your case then an IDE cable allows plenty of air flow to the drives. My argument is supported by the fact that no drive that wasn't wedged between two others ever failed because of a heat problem. Optical drives don't really get that hot and hard drives fail due to mechanical problems before a little heat becomes a problem. Your heat is primarily generated by your video card and cpu and an IDE cable isn't going to interfere with routing that heat out of your case. When the air is expelled out of the top of the rear of your case then fresh cool air will be pulled (without needing a fan there) from the BOTTOM front of your case where there are vents. The IDE cables are in the top front of the case so they don't obstruct airflow there either.
People go overboard with cooling these days. A stock fan, power supply with fan, and a rear mount case fan is enough for anyone who isn't overclocking or using a raid and/or server tower. In most server towers you would need to install an additional fan in the lower front of the case and that will be more than adequate.
Lets see, you are in a train traveling west so you can look out the window and see a horizon to the north and the south. Nope, no continental divide there unless you're the engineer.