I didn't say I dealt with 20 windows systems, I said 20 is about the number at which you start to see the problems.
Actually I deal with significantly more than 300 servers and 700 desktops. But 20 is enough to start getting a better idea of whether or not something works consistantly.
"it worked on mine machine" is meaningless in the windows world.
Tell me, on your 700 desktops, have you ever installed a piece of hardware, using good media to install the drivers (because windows built-in driver support sucks and you almost always need a driver disk), assuming they are identical and running the same software/windows versions, and of course using the same procedure to install of them. And had some fail and some succeed?
I'll give you a hint, that doesn't occur on any other operating system I know of, ANY other operating system.
Really though, it sounds like your saying your supporting 1000 systems within a single organization. That's orders of magnitude easier than supporting 100 varied systems spread across 20 organizations.
What cracks me up is your almost 0 problems still likely amounts to you doing work on windows systems everyday. I consider 0 problems to mean you'd be out of the job 0 problems;)
That's all fine and dandy in this case. I stick by my actual advice, he's already said it works in the native ps2 port. He's also said other devices work with the usb adapter. Simply hook the keyboard up ps2 and the mouse up through the adapter instead of the other way around.
After all, the ps2 port on a laptop will usually work for either a mouse or keyboard, not like desktop ps2 ports in which you have to use them in their respective ports. (I've never really looked into why this is, but I do know that keyboard will generally work in the ps/2 port for the mouse on a desktop as well.. just not the other way around.
The first thing I look at when considering a laptop is what ports are available. My general rule for ports when looking for a laptop for me or someone else:
Both nic and modem should be available, the primary connection should be a pcmcia card, whichever they use less or don't expect to use should be onboard.. but present.
At least: 1 serial, video out, ps2. 2 usb. It must have a floppy and cdrom-type drive and pcmcia slots.
Those are all basic essentials, anything beyond that is gravy.
But, in this case, the poster specifically said the keyboard worked on the native ps2 port.
Yes but remember MOST of those people paying to have their taxes done do NOT have itemized deductions or the complexity of corporate accounting to worry about.
MOST of them could actually spend 30mins and do them themselves with no prior experience and only the information that accompanies the form.
After you start working with at least 20 computers daily you'll soon learn that nothing in windows just works all or even in the 90's of percent of the time.
The easiest thing to do here would be to think outside the box. Run the mouse off the usb port instead and run the keyboard off the native ps2 port.
The operating system controls the hardware and provides the core functionality for applications to run. The applications themselves are NOT part of the operating system.
In fact, ALL the operating goes on in the kernel, applications merely ask it to do things for them.
The operating system doesn't directly interface with the user, the operating system is the piece that interacts with software. Applications are what interacts with the user.
The GNU applications can be ported and run on different kernels, and there are thousands of alternative or even entirely different applications which can serve their functions and be run on the linux operating system.
Guess what, if you run the linux kernel in an embedded device and run a proprietary layer on top of it which doesn't in any way relate to a normal unix system... your still running the linux operating system.
The operating system controls the hardware and provides the core functionality for applications to run. The applications themselves are NOT part of the operating system.
Obviously a seperate utility which compiles to a native executable is another matter, I wasn't aware there was one for java.
But JIT is STILL interpreting in the same sense perl code is interpreted (even if there are utils to compile perl as well), the code is compiled on the fly as it's loaded and then executed. AFAIK JIT compiling is really just an efficient method of interpreting.
Java jumps through lots of hoops and uses the latest tricks to make interpreting fact, but buzzwords and calling JIT compiling doesn't make it so. Java still doesn't really resolve the problems with interpreted languages. It does about as well as we can yet and has all the benefits of interpreted languages with some of the benefits of compiled languages (mainly ones closed source companies are interested in).
There may be some instances where Java performs almost as well as C and some where it performs as well as C++. But there certainly aren't going to be enough for you to make a general claim that Java performs as well as a compiled language.
Honestly, these debates on what THE language to use is are silly. There is no language which should dominate because they all have strengths and weaknesses.
I'm not arguing against languages which are interpreted though I may have come off that way. I just believe they have their uses and compiled languages have theirs. In fact MOST of the code I write is in interpreted languages.
Although I do have a gripe about C# specifically, Microsoft has consistantly shown it can't produce stable secure software, why on earth would we trust it to produce the languages and underlying libraries we use to write OUR software... insuring we really can't have stable and secure software either.
C# does suck. I hope by "we all" you mean to refer to yourself and the other 10 programmers who feel interpreted languages should be used for something other than modeling and inhouse work;)
Warcraft III runs just fine on linux under winex and with good performance. Pretty much all the major titles aside from MMORPGS work just fine under winex and run anywhere from a touch slower to significantly faster than they do on windows.
You do realize there are dozens of forks of java ALREADY. Forks forks everywhere, is what we have now. We even already have open source forks of java. So open sourcing java won't make producing forks/clones any easier than it already is.
The only advantage that the sun jvm offers over these open source java implementations is that it's the official sun distribution of java... After it's open sourced, you know how that will change? Me either, seems to me it will be exactly the same... the open source forks however will die because there won't be a point anymore.
The only reason for java to fork at that point will be if sun doesn't accept patches and changes, at which point it should fork and a new dominate java arise... then guess what, that will be the new official java. Java will remain stable for the same reason XFree86 has (chosen intentionally because it was finally forked for good reason and even that was put off until we had the excuse of a license change), or the kernel.
Not if it's properly gpl'd, then Microsoft won't touch it with a 10ft pole. Some obscure unix tools for windows package is one thing, something like a jvm for.net is WAY too public to use under the gpl after their past statements.
As for non-commercial forks... this will prevent them. Anyone can write a jvm NOW, there are already open source jvm's. Sun's isn't even the best jvm, but what sun has going for it is that it's the official jvm, that's true no matter what license it's under. If you want a jvm, it's sun you get it from.
I disagree, there really is no value in sun controlling java itself.
Sun own's the java brandname and wants to exploit that, that is there asset. If you want proof, look at the sun java desktop which has not the slightest thing to do with java.
If turned over to the open source crowd java will be powerful and popular in no time. That means the word java will be used all the time, making sun's brand more powerful.
You might think you know what computer literate is, or how knowledgable the average computer user is.
But you don't, if you want a crash course, work for any major computer company in desktop support. When your a world class veteren of 3 months (thus get first dibs on vacation days and such). THEN you'll comprehend this concept.
Until then, just take my for it, if they've figured out there is something called a mouse and something called a keyboard, they are above average.
If they understand the monitor is not the computer and are no longer trying to puzzle out why the box thing is so big... they are WAY above average.
If they can install winzip when you put the setup on their desktop and show them where it is, they are essentially a windows uber guru.
No I'm exaggerating, that's the sad part. Face it guys, there are people who are reasonabley intelligent but computer illiterate... I've met some of them. But if you have to explain shutting down the computer twice, your dealing with an idiot... period. *sighs* Most have be told how more than twice.
The problem is that over 90% of computer users don't even know what a boot CD is. Let alone that there are other operating systems.
Simple solution:
Just explain to them that it's a restore cd but won't cause them to lose their files. They'll have used it a couple times by the end of the day.
When they come back and say it fixed their blue screens but they DID lose all their files and can't figure out how to get them back... well you'll have to come up with your own solution for that.
ok, you must have missed the part about leaving the old females behind;) Just because I'm with two or three tonight doesn't mean they won't be there for someone else tomorrow.
Females are sometimes in heat and sometimes not NOW. Being in heat being more pronounced won't make them want sex any less or less often, our species mates for recreation as well as breeding.
The only difference would be that you'd have women walking up to you at various times and rubbing their bodies against yours.
Actually however, our social structure isn't really a superior way to propogate the species. The males sticking around is really a bad thing.
The purpose of a species of course is perpetuate, in many senses sex is the answer to that silly question some people ask "what is my purpose in life?" duh, your purpose is procreate and advance the human species however you can... that's it.
A species in which females are sexually active (in heat) most all the time, and which engages in sex for recreation. But in which the females care for the young and the males move to the next available females means MUCH more procreation (and happier males).
Personally I think lions are an example we should look to for enlightenment. Genetic advances could allow us to increase the ratio of female to male children and a couple generations down the road we'd have a greatly improved world.
What is this GNU/Linux thing you mention? I've heard of the Operating system Linux. I've heard of GNU applications which can be run on linux, but those applications and the linux operating system are independent of one another.
There are distributions which bundle the linux operating system and the gnu applications (as well as lots of other application software).
Have the GNU folks made a fork of the linux operating system? Or maybe produced a linux OS based distribution with applications (like theirs for instance) that I don't know about?
1. Unless they have the copyright for contributions assigned back to them, EVEN the maintainer does NOT have the right to relicense the contributions under a different license. So that means licensing the software to the customer under the GPL. Or requiring developers assign copyrights back to the maintainer. If they do that, there is no reason you can't use the codebase on which you hold the copyright to make derivatives and license under ANY license.
2. If you do use the GPL to license to the customer (which has the benefit of less overhead in time and money, and more developers willing to work on your project), then you have to give the customer the source, and the customer has to give the source to anyone they distribute the program to. Niether the customer or you have to give the source to anyone you do not distribute binaries to however.
Also good to note, when you are required to give the source, you either have to give prominent information on where this can be gotten or you have to give machine readable source directly. YOU CANNOT MERELY GIVE THEM THE PUBLIC SOURCE, YOUR CHANGES MUST BE INCLUDED.
That or Microsoft has using the speedhacks which they use (if you read the article that's less than half of those listed for OSX) for quite awhile, thus any performance gain you noticed from it would have been a long time ago.
Most were first put into 2000 and 98/ME, each of which introduced a TON of bloat over the previous version that offset it. It may be more of pain in the arse to configure, support less hardware, and look uglier... but surely nobody is going to claim 2000 is FASTER on the same machine compared with NT 4.0.
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I didn't say I dealt with 20 windows systems, I said 20 is about the number at which you start to see the problems.
;)
Actually I deal with significantly more than 300 servers and 700 desktops. But 20 is enough to start getting a better idea of whether or not something works consistantly.
"it worked on mine machine" is meaningless in the windows world.
Tell me, on your 700 desktops, have you ever installed a piece of hardware, using good media to install the drivers (because windows built-in driver support sucks and you almost always need a driver disk), assuming they are identical and running the same software/windows versions, and of course using the same procedure to install of them. And had some fail and some succeed?
I'll give you a hint, that doesn't occur on any other operating system I know of, ANY other operating system.
Really though, it sounds like your saying your supporting 1000 systems within a single organization. That's orders of magnitude easier than supporting 100 varied systems spread across 20 organizations.
What cracks me up is your almost 0 problems still likely amounts to you doing work on windows systems everyday. I consider 0 problems to mean you'd be out of the job 0 problems
That's all fine and dandy in this case. I stick by my actual advice, he's already said it works in the native ps2 port. He's also said other devices work with the usb adapter. Simply hook the keyboard up ps2 and the mouse up through the adapter instead of the other way around.
After all, the ps2 port on a laptop will usually work for either a mouse or keyboard, not like desktop ps2 ports in which you have to use them in their respective ports. (I've never really looked into why this is, but I do know that keyboard will generally work in the ps/2 port for the mouse on a desktop as well.. just not the other way around.
The first thing I look at when considering a laptop is what ports are available. My general rule for ports when looking for a laptop for me or someone else:
Both nic and modem should be available, the primary connection should be a pcmcia card, whichever they use less or don't expect to use should be onboard.. but present.
At least: 1 serial, video out, ps2. 2 usb. It must have a floppy and cdrom-type drive and pcmcia slots.
Those are all basic essentials, anything beyond that is gravy.
But, in this case, the poster specifically said the keyboard worked on the native ps2 port.
Yes but remember MOST of those people paying to have their taxes done do NOT have itemized deductions or the complexity of corporate accounting to worry about.
MOST of them could actually spend 30mins and do them themselves with no prior experience and only the information that accompanies the form.
After you start working with at least 20 computers daily you'll soon learn that nothing in windows just works all or even in the 90's of percent of the time.
The easiest thing to do here would be to think outside the box. Run the mouse off the usb port instead and run the keyboard off the native ps2 port.
The operating system controls the hardware and provides the core functionality for applications to run. The applications themselves are NOT part of the operating system.
In fact, ALL the operating goes on in the kernel, applications merely ask it to do things for them.
The operating system doesn't directly interface with the user, the operating system is the piece that interacts with software. Applications are what interacts with the user.
The GNU applications can be ported and run on different kernels, and there are thousands of alternative or even entirely different applications which can serve their functions and be run on the linux operating system.
Guess what, if you run the linux kernel in an embedded device and run a proprietary layer on top of it which doesn't in any way relate to a normal unix system... your still running the linux operating system.
The operating system controls the hardware and provides the core functionality for applications to run. The applications themselves are NOT part of the operating system.
Obviously a seperate utility which compiles to a native executable is another matter, I wasn't aware there was one for java.
But JIT is STILL interpreting in the same sense perl code is interpreted (even if there are utils to compile perl as well), the code is compiled on the fly as it's loaded and then executed. AFAIK JIT compiling is really just an efficient method of interpreting.
Java jumps through lots of hoops and uses the latest tricks to make interpreting fact, but buzzwords and calling JIT compiling doesn't make it so. Java still doesn't really resolve the problems with interpreted languages. It does about as well as we can yet and has all the benefits of interpreted languages with some of the benefits of compiled languages (mainly ones closed source companies are interested in).
There may be some instances where Java performs almost as well as C and some where it performs as well as C++. But there certainly aren't going to be enough for you to make a general claim that Java performs as well as a compiled language.
Honestly, these debates on what THE language to use is are silly. There is no language which should dominate because they all have strengths and weaknesses.
I'm not arguing against languages which are interpreted though I may have come off that way. I just believe they have their uses and compiled languages have theirs. In fact MOST of the code I write is in interpreted languages.
Although I do have a gripe about C# specifically, Microsoft has consistantly shown it can't produce stable secure software, why on earth would we trust it to produce the languages and underlying libraries we use to write OUR software... insuring we really can't have stable and secure software either.
Oh come on, if your going to troll at least do it well. You admitted yourself to not knowing what winex is and invalidated your entire post.
:)
Now come on and Troll again, same post and at least claim you know wtf your talking about to sucker me into arguing
compiled to bytecode which is INTERPRETED on the host machine is simply converting to a faster interpreted language (the bytecode).
.net apps I've seen are as fast or efficient as native compiled apps anyway.
So java, C# (which to the best of my knowlege works in similar fashion, correct me if I'm wrong), and the like are just fancier interpreted languages.
None of the
Sun has java trademarked, open sourcing it wouldn't change that. You still wouldn't be able to fork it and call it Java.
C# does suck. I hope by "we all" you mean to refer to yourself and the other 10 programmers who feel interpreted languages should be used for something other than modeling and inhouse work ;)
Warcraft III runs just fine on linux under winex and with good performance. Pretty much all the major titles aside from MMORPGS work just fine under winex and run anywhere from a touch slower to significantly faster than they do on windows.
You do realize there are dozens of forks of java ALREADY. Forks forks everywhere, is what we have now. We even already have open source forks of java. So open sourcing java won't make producing forks/clones any easier than it already is.
The only advantage that the sun jvm offers over these open source java implementations is that it's the official sun distribution of java... After it's open sourced, you know how that will change? Me either, seems to me it will be exactly the same... the open source forks however will die because there won't be a point anymore.
The only reason for java to fork at that point will be if sun doesn't accept patches and changes, at which point it should fork and a new dominate java arise... then guess what, that will be the new official java. Java will remain stable for the same reason XFree86 has (chosen intentionally because it was finally forked for good reason and even that was put off until we had the excuse of a license change), or the kernel.
Not if it's properly gpl'd, then Microsoft won't touch it with a 10ft pole. Some obscure unix tools for windows package is one thing, something like a jvm for .net is WAY too public to use under the gpl after their past statements.
As for non-commercial forks... this will prevent them. Anyone can write a jvm NOW, there are already open source jvm's. Sun's isn't even the best jvm, but what sun has going for it is that it's the official jvm, that's true no matter what license it's under. If you want a jvm, it's sun you get it from.
I disagree, there really is no value in sun controlling java itself.
Sun own's the java brandname and wants to exploit that, that is there asset. If you want proof, look at the sun java desktop which has not the slightest thing to do with java.
If turned over to the open source crowd java will be powerful and popular in no time. That means the word java will be used all the time, making sun's brand more powerful.
You might think you know what computer literate is, or how knowledgable the average computer user is.
But you don't, if you want a crash course, work for any major computer company in desktop support. When your a world class veteren of 3 months (thus get first dibs on vacation days and such). THEN you'll comprehend this concept.
Until then, just take my for it, if they've figured out there is something called a mouse and something called a keyboard, they are above average.
If they understand the monitor is not the computer and are no longer trying to puzzle out why the box thing is so big... they are WAY above average.
If they can install winzip when you put the setup on their desktop and show them where it is, they are essentially a windows uber guru.
No I'm exaggerating, that's the sad part. Face it guys, there are people who are reasonabley intelligent but computer illiterate... I've met some of them. But if you have to explain shutting down the computer twice, your dealing with an idiot... period. *sighs* Most have be told how more than twice.
The problem is that over 90% of computer users don't even know what a boot CD is. Let alone that there are other operating systems.
Simple solution:
Just explain to them that it's a restore cd but won't cause them to lose their files. They'll have used it a couple times by the end of the day.
When they come back and say it fixed their blue screens but they DID lose all their files and can't figure out how to get them back... well you'll have to come up with your own solution for that.
The desired effect is to delete all the files on the drive, not *.bak files in this case.
If there rent is $150,000/month then it's small change compared to how they once were doing.
If I buisness can't pay it's rent, it's long long past time to file bankruptcy.
Actually, the minute their profit level drops below a certain point they should be jumping ship, let alone actually failing to pay bills.
ok, you must have missed the part about leaving the old females behind ;) Just because I'm with two or three tonight doesn't mean they won't be there for someone else tomorrow.
Females are sometimes in heat and sometimes not NOW. Being in heat being more pronounced won't make them want sex any less or less often, our species mates for recreation as well as breeding.
The only difference would be that you'd have women walking up to you at various times and rubbing their bodies against yours.
Actually however, our social structure isn't really a superior way to propogate the species. The males sticking around is really a bad thing.
The purpose of a species of course is perpetuate, in many senses sex is the answer to that silly question some people ask "what is my purpose in life?" duh, your purpose is procreate and advance the human species however you can... that's it.
A species in which females are sexually active (in heat) most all the time, and which engages in sex for recreation. But in which the females care for the young and the males move to the next available females means MUCH more procreation (and happier males).
Personally I think lions are an example we should look to for enlightenment. Genetic advances could allow us to increase the ratio of female to male children and a couple generations down the road we'd have a greatly improved world.
What is this GNU/Linux thing you mention? I've heard of the Operating system Linux. I've heard of GNU applications which can be run on linux, but those applications and the linux operating system are independent of one another.
There are distributions which bundle the linux operating system and the gnu applications (as well as lots of other application software).
Have the GNU folks made a fork of the linux operating system? Or maybe produced a linux OS based distribution with applications (like theirs for instance) that I don't know about?
This was almost answered correctly.
1. Unless they have the copyright for contributions assigned back to them, EVEN the maintainer does NOT have the right to relicense the contributions under a different license. So that means licensing the software to the customer under the GPL. Or requiring developers assign copyrights back to the maintainer. If they do that, there is no reason you can't use the codebase on which you hold the copyright to make derivatives and license under ANY license.
2. If you do use the GPL to license to the customer (which has the benefit of less overhead in time and money, and more developers willing to work on your project), then you have to give the customer the source, and the customer has to give the source to anyone they distribute the program to. Niether the customer or you have to give the source to anyone you do not distribute binaries to however.
Also good to note, when you are required to give the source, you either have to give prominent information on where this can be gotten or you have to give machine readable source directly. YOU CANNOT MERELY GIVE THEM THE PUBLIC SOURCE, YOUR CHANGES MUST BE INCLUDED.
Which is why I suggested the default of working like other OS's with no highlight/middle-click at all, but giving the two other optional behaviors.
That or Microsoft has using the speedhacks which they use (if you read the article that's less than half of those listed for OSX) for quite awhile, thus any performance gain you noticed from it would have been a long time ago.
Most were first put into 2000 and 98/ME, each of which introduced a TON of bloat over the previous version that offset it. It may be more of pain in the arse to configure, support less hardware, and look uglier... but surely nobody is going to claim 2000 is FASTER on the same machine compared with NT 4.0.