Not true, users of open source (whether out of the box or homebrew setup) are definately the spoiled ones;)
Why on earth would anybody want to waste their time trying to get a proprietary anything to work the way they want just to discover it doesn't it isn't flexible enough and "settle" for what it can do?
Even if I have to tinker with it, 9999 of 10000 times I can be confident that there IS a way to accomplish what I'd like to do with open source and thus I never settle.
lol Language holy wars are always fun. Personally I work with numerous languages depending on the task to be accomplished and wholeheartedly agree with you that there is rarely a perfect answer, and there is no single language that is always it even when there is one.
Lisp was just a poor choice for the example, as I suggested in my post however, even lisp has it's place.
lol linux has never stopped working hard on ALL of these markets. You underestimate open source. Some companies target web servers, some target office suites, some target embedded, some target databases, some target emulation, compilers, web browsers, mail, groupware, specialty and industrial. Open source simultaneously develops rapidly in ALL of these fields. How? Well it turns out NOBODY including microsoft has the developement resources open source does. Open source has LITERALLY MILLIONS of independent developers backing it.
And then to top that it has every major technology companies with the exception of microsoft backing it.
As for the supercomputer market, it's not hard to hammer microsoft out, windows never scaled to anywhere supercomputer level to begin with.
ok, maybe companies producing cheap usb webcams, scanners, digital cameras and the like ignore open source developers wanting linux drivers. Bug for god sakes do you really think they are going to ignore walmart and office depot? Both are notorious for making other companies bend to their will. Did you know most pc vendors actually create identical computers with entirely new model numbers (complete with packaging, docs, and support site) makeover's for these very same companies to ensure nobody can beat their price on the models they carry?
If walmart in particular carries a linux desktop, you can bet your arse those camera's will work out of the box on linux... no company making a "cheap" anything is going to risk their multi-million dollar account with walmart over a few grand to develop drivers for linux!
Lindows has been on walmarts website, not in walmart's stores. And the sales have been incredible according to walmart. Coming from a more reputable company to the tune of Sun, I wouldn't be suprised if those pc's make it into the retail stores.
Nothing is really going to make for a revolution in the home user who is ignorant of what is running on their computer anyway.
The linux desktops that have appeared in the last few years have increased the market share to 13% and gained linux the #2 position in the desktop market, at the same time Microsoft's market share has decreased and apples stayed much the same. This is hardly a failure by any means... or does a desktop system have to topple a monopoly lockin overnight in order to satisfy you?
This desktop is in negotion to hit the retail market in some of the largest retailers in the world. And is landing the desktops of the largest employer in all britain (800,000 desktops).
If you look at overall computing, Linux runs on the most powerful supercomputers in the world. High end big iron servers, mid size buisness servers, small business servers, workstations, desktops, and the embedded market. These are not multiple systems which have been called linux, these are ONE operating system called Linux across the board. In all of these markets Linux is a significant player, in some it's the dominating player.
On top of this, EVERY significant corporate player except microsoft themselves is betting on linux. Outside of business, (according to a recent study by the EU) linux and open source have literally MILLIONS of developers. How long do you think microsoft even with their billions could or would keep up 2million 50-100k salaries on programmers alone. Most relevant to the desktop, thus far open source has "scrambled to catchup" on microsoft's proprietary standards and always managed but in alot of cases just in time for microsoft to release a new version. Which do you think is more impressive? If you guessed microsoft's new version you are wrong, it takes WAY more horsepower (codepower) to reverse engineer and clone an undocumented api than it does to update one you have full documentation and source code for. Yet open source doesn't even blink at this pace and continues to accelerate as it becomes more popular and has the backing of yet more developers.
With every major player backing open source, and millions of developers on top of those major players. All pooling thier resources, mostly even making the fruits of those labors FREE as in speech and cost, how long do you think Microsoft can really survive? Microsoft laughed at the justice department and gave them a handful of coupons. Open source however has made them flinch and reduced them to calling it cancer and slandering it.
Face it buddy, it may not be today, it may not be sun's java desktop, it may not be this year, hell it may not even be this decade. But NOTHING in the programming world can afford to ignore the power of the open source community, NOTHING. And that includes microsoft.
umm C, and C++ are more efficient than Lisp, Java is simpler and more widely supported than Lisp. All are more clean than Lisp and superior to Lisp in all but a very very tiny portion of applications. There are other languages you could have used and had a point, but Lisp was a very poor choice.
oh come on, there was some logic to it. Javascript was being promoted as the perfect compliment to java applets and the best way to invoke them. AND IT IS the best way to invoke a java applet.
ok granted, that's not saying much, 90% of the use of javascript is NOT to invoke a java applet. But hey, there is more technical logic to the name than most marketing droid ploys.
Have you ever used anaconda? The true advantage here isn't so much the easier install in terms of a gui, easier to answer, or less numberous questions. The advantage is in terms of hardware detection. On over 90% of systems I use it on anaconda detects EVERY piece of hardware out of the box AND has about the same success rates on xwindows configuration. If it doesn't detect the hardware, it means I'm looking at some true pain to install it because the existing system DOES NOT have what I need to run that hardware.
Now you have the best of both worlds in one package. Both graphical and command line with redhat's hardware detection (the detection is a much bigger deal than the gui install to me, but I know alot of people who feel otherwise). On 99% of all setups redhat manages to detect every piece of hardware in the system and have everything configured correctly when all is said and done, no other system including some redhat knockoff's like mandrake manages this.
Debian has the best package management and repositories, where debian has stubbornly remained archaic in terms of the installer and hardware detection, redhat has done so in terms of package management. RPM and the Debian installer BOTH suck arse.
Now if we can get the other simple redhat configuration utilities ported over. Little things like netconfig may not be the biggest issue in the world, but certainly simplify setup for someone just started out. You should NOT have to know what a default gateway is just to plug the number in and get your system on the internet;)
That's true, obviously now that the terrorists no longer have use for this model he's making it public. This way nobody can catch him hiding it and he can avert suspicion.
*quickly trots out to get a fresh tinfoil hat and crotchguard*
Why should they be against it? Putting a stop to it would reduce the value of their crops in columbia. And it would probably reduce crime overall. Besides that, although they aren't immune to scandal, they personally ARE immune to the war on drugs;)
This is something desperately needs fixed. What if both people are BEFORE the age of consent? I'm not even sure if that's technically illegal or not. In many states the age of consent was lowered for one gender by a year, making it illegal for someone who is the same age to have sex with another of that age. I generally think there should be something to the tune of a 5yr grace period. If two consenting partners are within 5yrs of eachother's age it should be legal, regardless of what those ages are.
no, they wrote mixit, which IS available and contains most of the source. The rest if vaporware they promise to make available soon. You can hardly violate the license agreement if you didn't use anyone elses gpl'd code;)
You have to be a lawyer to have a valid and informed opinion? Gee, I was under the impression a lawyer was nothing more than someone who studied law and was licensed by the state.
NOT that a lawyer was the only person who was capable of studying law or that a license from the state actually makes someone magically makes someone's opinions magically informed and valid.
Someone who is not a lawyer can know more about a point of law than any lawyer. Someone being a lawyer just assures you they've spent x amount of time studying the law, not that they are informed or have valid opinions.
SCO doesn't have a right to revoke IBM's right. That is part of what this is about. SCO can say they have done so as many times as they want, but it doesn't mean anything unless SCO manages to actually make IBM stop doing something. IBM isn't about to stop exercising their rights.
If SCO said they revoked again, IBM would simply ignore them and it would be on SCO to try to take them to court and enforce their claim again.
I'm not exactly advocating mass nuclear war destroying all life on earth here. What I'm saying is that we will destroy eco-systems on various levels and other species if we choose various aspects of them protect, every bit as much as if we don't and go on with our lives. There is a difference between not walking on eggshells and exterminating life on earth.
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If I were IBM I'd simply reply that I'd send SCO a few blank sheets of paper and note explaining that it contains all valid evidence that IBM has done something wrong.
"You don't enjoy the convenience of tearing an SD Card out of its package and immediately jamming it into your camera, without reformating it first? (Which would erase any data already on the card)
It is precisely because all current digital cameras use FAT that future cameras will need to- otherwise, those future cameras will be at a competitive disadvantage because sticking a memory-card into them doesn't "just work"."
The only reason the use of fat would stop people from tearing a memory card out of the package and slapping it in a camera is because the card would be of the wrong format or not formatted. Of course the industry will standardize on another format, but if they didn't, formatting a card is a matter of pressing a couple buttons on the camera.
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Not true, users of open source (whether out of the box or homebrew setup) are definately the spoiled ones ;)
Why on earth would anybody want to waste their time trying to get a proprietary anything to work the way they want just to discover it doesn't it isn't flexible enough and "settle" for what it can do?
Even if I have to tinker with it, 9999 of 10000 times I can be confident that there IS a way to accomplish what I'd like to do with open source and thus I never settle.
lol Language holy wars are always fun. Personally I work with numerous languages depending on the task to be accomplished and wholeheartedly agree with you that there is rarely a perfect answer, and there is no single language that is always it even when there is one.
Lisp was just a poor choice for the example, as I suggested in my post however, even lisp has it's place.
They'd do better on this portion of things if they included winex and a subscription for x term if you ask me.
lol linux has never stopped working hard on ALL of these markets. You underestimate open source. Some companies target web servers, some target office suites, some target embedded, some target databases, some target emulation, compilers, web browsers, mail, groupware, specialty and industrial. Open source simultaneously develops rapidly in ALL of these fields. How? Well it turns out NOBODY including microsoft has the developement resources open source does. Open source has LITERALLY MILLIONS of independent developers backing it.
And then to top that it has every major technology companies with the exception of microsoft backing it.
As for the supercomputer market, it's not hard to hammer microsoft out, windows never scaled to anywhere supercomputer level to begin with.
nfs is actually a shitty network file system. There are far better ones available for linux.
ok, maybe companies producing cheap usb webcams, scanners, digital cameras and the like ignore open source developers wanting linux drivers. Bug for god sakes do you really think they are going to ignore walmart and office depot? Both are notorious for making other companies bend to their will. Did you know most pc vendors actually create identical computers with entirely new model numbers (complete with packaging, docs, and support site) makeover's for these very same companies to ensure nobody can beat their price on the models they carry?
If walmart in particular carries a linux desktop, you can bet your arse those camera's will work out of the box on linux... no company making a "cheap" anything is going to risk their multi-million dollar account with walmart over a few grand to develop drivers for linux!
Lindows has been on walmarts website, not in walmart's stores. And the sales have been incredible according to walmart. Coming from a more reputable company to the tune of Sun, I wouldn't be suprised if those pc's make it into the retail stores.
Nothing is really going to make for a revolution in the home user who is ignorant of what is running on their computer anyway.
Microsoft offers support??? Oh, you mean the psychic friends network. Yeah I've heard about that too.
The linux desktops that have appeared in the last few years have increased the market share to 13% and gained linux the #2 position in the desktop market, at the same time Microsoft's market share has decreased and apples stayed much the same. This is hardly a failure by any means... or does a desktop system have to topple a monopoly lockin overnight in order to satisfy you?
This desktop is in negotion to hit the retail market in some of the largest retailers in the world. And is landing the desktops of the largest employer in all britain (800,000 desktops).
If you look at overall computing, Linux runs on the most powerful supercomputers in the world. High end big iron servers, mid size buisness servers, small business servers, workstations, desktops, and the embedded market. These are not multiple systems which have been called linux, these are ONE operating system called Linux across the board. In all of these markets Linux is a significant player, in some it's the dominating player.
On top of this, EVERY significant corporate player except microsoft themselves is betting on linux. Outside of business, (according to a recent study by the EU) linux and open source have literally MILLIONS of developers. How long do you think microsoft even with their billions could or would keep up 2million 50-100k salaries on programmers alone. Most relevant to the desktop, thus far open source has "scrambled to catchup" on microsoft's proprietary standards and always managed but in alot of cases just in time for microsoft to release a new version. Which do you think is more impressive? If you guessed microsoft's new version you are wrong, it takes WAY more horsepower (codepower) to reverse engineer and clone an undocumented api than it does to update one you have full documentation and source code for. Yet open source doesn't even blink at this pace and continues to accelerate as it becomes more popular and has the backing of yet more developers.
With every major player backing open source, and millions of developers on top of those major players. All pooling thier resources, mostly even making the fruits of those labors FREE as in speech and cost, how long do you think Microsoft can really survive? Microsoft laughed at the justice department and gave them a handful of coupons. Open source however has made them flinch and reduced them to calling it cancer and slandering it.
Face it buddy, it may not be today, it may not be sun's java desktop, it may not be this year, hell it may not even be this decade. But NOTHING in the programming world can afford to ignore the power of the open source community, NOTHING. And that includes microsoft.
umm C, and C++ are more efficient than Lisp, Java is simpler and more widely supported than Lisp. All are more clean than Lisp and superior to Lisp in all but a very very tiny portion of applications. There are other languages you could have used and had a point, but Lisp was a very poor choice.
oh come on, there was some logic to it. Javascript was being promoted as the perfect compliment to java applets and the best way to invoke them. AND IT IS the best way to invoke a java applet.
ok granted, that's not saying much, 90% of the use of javascript is NOT to invoke a java applet. But hey, there is more technical logic to the name than most marketing droid ploys.
Have you ever used anaconda? The true advantage here isn't so much the easier install in terms of a gui, easier to answer, or less numberous questions. The advantage is in terms of hardware detection. On over 90% of systems I use it on anaconda detects EVERY piece of hardware out of the box AND has about the same success rates on xwindows configuration. If it doesn't detect the hardware, it means I'm looking at some true pain to install it because the existing system DOES NOT have what I need to run that hardware.
It would also be fixed twice as fast with both distributions working on it.
Now you have the best of both worlds in one package. Both graphical and command line with redhat's hardware detection (the detection is a much bigger deal than the gui install to me, but I know alot of people who feel otherwise). On 99% of all setups redhat manages to detect every piece of hardware in the system and have everything configured correctly when all is said and done, no other system including some redhat knockoff's like mandrake manages this.
;)
Debian has the best package management and repositories, where debian has stubbornly remained archaic in terms of the installer and hardware detection, redhat has done so in terms of package management. RPM and the Debian installer BOTH suck arse.
Now if we can get the other simple redhat configuration utilities ported over. Little things like netconfig may not be the biggest issue in the world, but certainly simplify setup for someone just started out. You should NOT have to know what a default gateway is just to plug the number in and get your system on the internet
That's true, obviously now that the terrorists no longer have use for this model he's making it public. This way nobody can catch him hiding it and he can avert suspicion.
*quickly trots out to get a fresh tinfoil hat and crotchguard*
Why should they be against it? Putting a stop to it would reduce the value of their crops in columbia. And it would probably reduce crime overall. Besides that, although they aren't immune to scandal, they personally ARE immune to the war on drugs ;)
That the sell order which was in order should have been honored which would have eliminated everyone elses problems.
ah what the hell, it's not like I've got anything else to do.
*goes to fetch his pitchfork, torches, studded dildo , chains, and got milk t-shirt*
"where both people are after the age of consent"
This is something desperately needs fixed. What if both people are BEFORE the age of consent? I'm not even sure if that's technically illegal or not. In many states the age of consent was lowered for one gender by a year, making it illegal for someone who is the same age to have sex with another of that age. I generally think there should be something to the tune of a 5yr grace period. If two consenting partners are within 5yrs of eachother's age it should be legal, regardless of what those ages are.
no, they wrote mixit, which IS available and contains most of the source. The rest if vaporware they promise to make available soon. You can hardly violate the license agreement if you didn't use anyone elses gpl'd code ;)
You have to be a lawyer to have a valid and informed opinion? Gee, I was under the impression a lawyer was nothing more than someone who studied law and was licensed by the state.
NOT that a lawyer was the only person who was capable of studying law or that a license from the state actually makes someone magically makes someone's opinions magically informed and valid.
Someone who is not a lawyer can know more about a point of law than any lawyer. Someone being a lawyer just assures you they've spent x amount of time studying the law, not that they are informed or have valid opinions.
SCO doesn't have a right to revoke IBM's right. That is part of what this is about. SCO can say they have done so as many times as they want, but it doesn't mean anything unless SCO manages to actually make IBM stop doing something. IBM isn't about to stop exercising their rights.
If SCO said they revoked again, IBM would simply ignore them and it would be on SCO to try to take them to court and enforce their claim again.
I'm not exactly advocating mass nuclear war destroying all life on earth here. What I'm saying is that we will destroy eco-systems on various levels and other species if we choose various aspects of them protect, every bit as much as if we don't and go on with our lives. There is a difference between not walking on eggshells and exterminating life on earth.
If I were IBM I'd simply reply that I'd send SCO a few blank sheets of paper and note explaining that it contains all valid evidence that IBM has done something wrong.
Read your own post.
"You don't enjoy the convenience of tearing an SD Card out of its package and immediately jamming it into your camera, without reformating it first? (Which would erase any data already on the card)
It is precisely because all current digital cameras use FAT that future cameras will need to- otherwise, those future cameras will be at a competitive disadvantage because sticking a memory-card into them doesn't "just work"."
The only reason the use of fat would stop people from tearing a memory card out of the package and slapping it in a camera is because the card would be of the wrong format or not formatted. Of course the industry will standardize on another format, but if they didn't, formatting a card is a matter of pressing a couple buttons on the camera.