It costs $15 for shipping and handling, try $.50 worth of packing material, another $.50 (or less) for the labor (when it's actually divided up per cd, you can wrap and tape what, 200 of these suckers an hour without hurrying?) and shipping, a cd is light enough for regular US postage, make it 2nd class, now you've tacked (can't say for sure since I don't pay second class postage) another $.15, so $1.25, nope no markup there.
It's actually alot cheaper than that, aol bulk mails cd's to millions fully knowing 99% of those recieving them immediately throw them in the trash, and they do so on a nonstop basis.
"Pamela Colburn... an investment banker who once managed billion-dollar hostile takeovers, now worries about whether actors who appear buff on movie screens will seem puny in video games alongside pixelated monsters."
Exactly how is an investment broken qualified to give the opinion of Agents? They are completely seperate, completely unrelated jobs...
hey I'll take IM over filesharing anyday. Productive people use IM, IM'ers spend all day chatting on their computer, giving the false impression to non-geeks that they are geeks and then give us a bad name when all they can do is type fast.
I dunno, MSN messenger has been gaining popularity, most of the users hook up for voice and video or at least voice.
I dunno if it is that feature that is doing, or that's it's integrated into the OS. Most of the same users are XP users... Here we have a monopoly, so what we setup goes. ME was simply unusuable, so it never got seriously implemented here. It's all 98se and XP, the userbase is about 50/50 to date. Since there really don't seem to be any 98 IM users out there, I'd say OS integration got Microsoft farther than features.
"I also think that you are comparing fresh oranges to rotten apples. Sure, I'm always going to pick a smart, experienced, motivated, non-degreed programer over an stupid, lazy, freshly minted, Ph.D., but what about a smart, experienced, motivated, Ph.D?"
If I may be so rude as to but in, since he's arguing experience VS Ph.D wouldn't it be simply: smart, motivated, Ph.D. There's no doubt a Ph.D counts for something.
With me if you have two applicants, one with Ph.D and one without and equal experience, phd wins. However if you have two applicants, one with, one without, and the one with has 6 months less experience... well now the tables have turned.
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I've used macs, actually the only thing I DIDN'T like about them was the software. The hardware (used to be) pretty nice. MacOS gimped power users with a passion, maybe this is improved in OS X I don't know.
I had no trouble navigating or acomplishing any simple task on MacOS, but the more detailed and specific I found my needs to be, the more MacOS failed me. The apps were great, if all you needed to do was find a solution for ftp, there was an easy and intuitive solution on the mac... if you needed to get advanced and customer configure your ftp client for a connection beyond just port and password it failed. It was the same for most every app. I hope this has improved in the last couple years.
A mac now is basically a pc with highly proprietary hardware and an inexpensive RISC processor.
As for the ipod... there are other mp3 players out there with it's capacity. As far as I understand it's locked into a specific app and there is no way you could go to a friends house to plug and go.
Actually I come from an anglo-saxon background, my family has lived in the United States for 5 generations AND I'm a contract programmer.
You do realize that these programmers aren't actually being paid less. We have a massive concentration of wealth in the United States... it's us who are paid far too much. They can work at half the salary you were (Before you were underbid/outclassed) and essentially be making a sum worth 10x that in their country. For what you can buy one house for, they could buy 10 of the same house. So really, they are making a hell of alot more money than you were. It's just that money is essentially devalued in the US because we have too much of it.
"distributing the kernel while asking for fees may be a violation"
actually the gpl specifically allows this, you can change for the code. As for charging for the code they didn't distribute... well I can license use of the london bridge if I want, if your stupid enough to pay it, that's your problem.
I was incorrect however and stand corrected thanks to another poster. Apparently clause 7 of the gpl says that if there are patent or copyright issues that conflict with distributing a gpl'd program the company is not allowed to distrubute the program at all. Which means, either SCO openly licenses their code under the gpl, or they stop distributing linux altogether... so sco currently cannot legally distrubute linux under the gpl.
ok so let me get this straight, you admit freely that samba is gpl'd code. You admit linux is gpl'd code. They are both under the same license, it's the same license and same terms that allow SCO distribute both of those pieces of software.
So how exactly is it that you figure contributors can revoke their right to use their piece of the app in the case of one and not the other?
Actually the SEC may have something to say yet about the whole thing. On it's own, the case doesn't make them guilty of anything, the heavy trading at the right times however could be fatal for them.
Better off with clarkconnect. Clarkconnect uses a pretty standard redhat system and just adds a cookie cutter installer (I have no problem configuring redhat or any linux system to suit, but in many respects clarkconnect is already configured properly and that saves time).
Clarkconnect is by far more up to date than the newest release of e-smith, which uses numerous packages that are known to have security holes.
Clarkconnect makes most of the software choices that were finally defaulted in RH 9 on the less bloated 7.3.
E-smith breaks the fhs in pretty much every possible way, it overwrites custom config settings when you use the installer, it loads by default every daemon known to man including dns!
Clarkconnect gives you the same ease of setup (typically 30mins, including configuration), with a standard redhat filesystem layout, and doesn't force you to edit templates, you can edit the actual conf files. Clarkconnect also comes with APT (for rpm) out of the box and since the filesystem isn't broken, you can use pretty much any normal rpm that is binary compatible with rh 7.3.
1. Your local hp authorized repair shop? guess what, probably can't get parts.
2. The quality is significantly lower than having a seperate scanner/printer/fax modem
3. A seperate scanner/printer/fax modem is more versitle and not limited to the cookie cutter software and functions of a MFP.
4. MFP's typically requirely highly proprietary software so they aren't cross platform friendly.
5. The software typically gums up your system, stand alone copies work but you have more durability, cheaper supplies, and less hassle in general with a real low end copier.
6. All hp mfp's (and some of their other usb printers) have a known problem with jobs getting stuck in the print queue which they have not resolved. As an authorized reseller/repair center when I call support they are allowed to read me the red text which indicates the known issues that "don't exist", that's one of them. Officially it's a resource problem, unofficially it's just a problem.
6. MFP's aren't nearly as durable, one your fax load in addition to your print. They are made as cheaply as possible an equivelent stand-alone printer is ALWAYS built with more durable parts, so a high end MFP compares with low end lasers in this department.
That said, if you absolutely insist on an MFP, go with a high end hp, other manufacturers MFP's suck even more.
replacement tools exist, in fact they exist for every one of the platforms you list below. gnu aren't unique in the production of any of thier tools on linux either, only the most popular.
"I use gnu tools on Solaris, BSD, Linux, AIX, OSX, windows and HPUX."
yes the tools are ported to other operating systems, congratulations for discovering this revelation.. your point is? There are lots of applications which are ported to other operating systems, that doesn't mean you pick a random operating system and name it after the app.
"They allow me to feel at home on all these OSs."
Yes I have apps I love to, I often run them on other operating systems when I need to use those OS's for one reason or another. If anything you've only made my point. My point is simple, these tools aren't the operating system, they are applications. It's ridiculous to demand the operating system be named after the apps that run on it.
"You will never see gnu replacements for Linux. No one will bother."
True enough, the gnu versions work fine and are by no means lacking features, there's nothing wrong with gnu code at all (in fact there's lots of good). That doesn't mean if someone DID bother that a single programmer couldn't rewrite most of the fundemental utilities in a week... it doesn't mean programmers haven't done so. And it certainly doesn't mean we should name Linux after those applications which run on it.
"I didn't know people assumed LCDs have a better display. The reason most people I know buy LCDs is to get a larger physical screen size without having to sacrifice desk surface area for a hulking CRT."
Let me rephrase for him. Why do you think most people assume the display on an lcd is at least as good? Actually though, we sell alot of lcd's most do think their not only as good, but better, when in fact the truth is the opposite. CRT's blow lcd's away in terms of graphics quality and performance. The only arena an lcd wins in is space.
The gnu applications are just that, applications. Whether it's linux or another operating system, they need an operating system to function. The operating system is called LINUX. The gnu APPLICATIONS just happen to run on the linux operating system. You can port applications to other operating systems or you can run any app you want that is designed for your operating system.
GNU is to linux no more or less than kedit is, there are other apps, there are other operating systems. But there is no exuse for expecting someone to name their operating system after your apps.
That's a compiler, it's really irrelevant in the final product. You can use any compiler to compile source code. If gcc were gone tommorow linux would not be.
Now that we have both chickens and eggs, the chicken and the egg issue is a mute point.
Today, without the gnu tools you still have an operating system that is capable of running any application you write for it, including those gnu tools. Without an operating system the gnu tools cannot function.
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It costs $15 for shipping and handling, try $.50 worth of packing material, another $.50 (or less) for the labor (when it's actually divided up per cd, you can wrap and tape what, 200 of these suckers an hour without hurrying?) and shipping, a cd is light enough for regular US postage, make it 2nd class, now you've tacked (can't say for sure since I don't pay second class postage) another $.15, so $1.25, nope no markup there.
It's actually alot cheaper than that, aol bulk mails cd's to millions fully knowing 99% of those recieving them immediately throw them in the trash, and they do so on a nonstop basis.
There is a difference between not perfect, and so fucking full of holes it constitutes blatant negligance.
I've yet to see a microsoft SERVICE PACK like the parent suggest be shipped on cd consist of one 800k patch.
I doubt it, I don't think they'll ever learn. Actually I don't think they would know how to if they tried.
"Pamela Colburn... an investment banker who once managed billion-dollar hostile takeovers, now worries about whether actors who appear buff on movie screens will seem puny in video games alongside pixelated monsters."
Exactly how is an investment broken qualified to give the opinion of Agents? They are completely seperate, completely unrelated jobs...
hey I'll take IM over filesharing anyday. Productive people use IM, IM'ers spend all day chatting on their computer, giving the false impression to non-geeks that they are geeks and then give us a bad name when all they can do is type fast.
I dunno, MSN messenger has been gaining popularity, most of the users hook up for voice and video or at least voice.
I dunno if it is that feature that is doing, or that's it's integrated into the OS. Most of the same users are XP users... Here we have a monopoly, so what we setup goes. ME was simply unusuable, so it never got seriously implemented here. It's all 98se and XP, the userbase is about 50/50 to date. Since there really don't seem to be any 98 IM users out there, I'd say OS integration got Microsoft farther than features.
"I also think that you are comparing fresh oranges to rotten apples. Sure, I'm always going to pick a smart, experienced, motivated, non-degreed programer over an stupid, lazy, freshly minted, Ph.D., but what about a smart, experienced, motivated, Ph.D?"
If I may be so rude as to but in, since he's arguing experience VS Ph.D wouldn't it be simply: smart, motivated, Ph.D. There's no doubt a Ph.D counts for something.
With me if you have two applicants, one with Ph.D and one without and equal experience, phd wins. However if you have two applicants, one with, one without, and the one with has 6 months less experience... well now the tables have turned.
I've used macs, actually the only thing I DIDN'T like about them was the software. The hardware (used to be) pretty nice. MacOS gimped power users with a passion, maybe this is improved in OS X I don't know.
I had no trouble navigating or acomplishing any simple task on MacOS, but the more detailed and specific I found my needs to be, the more MacOS failed me. The apps were great, if all you needed to do was find a solution for ftp, there was an easy and intuitive solution on the mac... if you needed to get advanced and customer configure your ftp client for a connection beyond just port and password it failed. It was the same for most every app. I hope this has improved in the last couple years.
A mac now is basically a pc with highly proprietary hardware and an inexpensive RISC processor.
As for the ipod... there are other mp3 players out there with it's capacity. As far as I understand it's locked into a specific app and there is no way you could go to a friends house to plug and go.
What about teraforming?
Actually I come from an anglo-saxon background, my family has lived in the United States for 5 generations AND I'm a contract programmer.
You do realize that these programmers aren't actually being paid less. We have a massive concentration of wealth in the United States... it's us who are paid far too much. They can work at half the salary you were (Before you were underbid/outclassed) and essentially be making a sum worth 10x that in their country. For what you can buy one house for, they could buy 10 of the same house. So really, they are making a hell of alot more money than you were. It's just that money is essentially devalued in the US because we have too much of it.
"distributing the kernel while asking for fees may be a violation"
actually the gpl specifically allows this, you can change for the code. As for charging for the code they didn't distribute... well I can license use of the london bridge if I want, if your stupid enough to pay it, that's your problem.
I was incorrect however and stand corrected thanks to another poster. Apparently clause 7 of the gpl says that if there are patent or copyright issues that conflict with distributing a gpl'd program the company is not allowed to distrubute the program at all. Which means, either SCO openly licenses their code under the gpl, or they stop distributing linux altogether... so sco currently cannot legally distrubute linux under the gpl.
ummm Steve Ballmer called the gpl cancer... that isn't a direct attack?
So let me get this straight... you want me to pay you more money, to do the same or less work?
And you think me not accepting this astounding offer is wrong because?
Get over it already damn people. Maybe I'm mistaken, but when I use the term Boxen I do so for amusement not proper fscking english.
ok so let me get this straight, you admit freely that samba is gpl'd code. You admit linux is gpl'd code. They are both under the same license, it's the same license and same terms that allow SCO distribute both of those pieces of software.
So how exactly is it that you figure contributors can revoke their right to use their piece of the app in the case of one and not the other?
Actually the SEC may have something to say yet about the whole thing. On it's own, the case doesn't make them guilty of anything, the heavy trading at the right times however could be fatal for them.
how do we know that either intel or hp was really involved to begin with?
Better off with clarkconnect. Clarkconnect uses a pretty standard redhat system and just adds a cookie cutter installer (I have no problem configuring redhat or any linux system to suit, but in many respects clarkconnect is already configured properly and that saves time).
Clarkconnect is by far more up to date than the newest release of e-smith, which uses numerous packages that are known to have security holes.
Clarkconnect makes most of the software choices that were finally defaulted in RH 9 on the less bloated 7.3.
E-smith breaks the fhs in pretty much every possible way, it overwrites custom config settings when you use the installer, it loads by default every daemon known to man including dns!
Clarkconnect gives you the same ease of setup (typically 30mins, including configuration), with a standard redhat filesystem layout, and doesn't force you to edit templates, you can edit the actual conf files. Clarkconnect also comes with APT (for rpm) out of the box and since the filesystem isn't broken, you can use pretty much any normal rpm that is binary compatible with rh 7.3.
1. Your local hp authorized repair shop? guess what, probably can't get parts.
2. The quality is significantly lower than having a seperate scanner/printer/fax modem
3. A seperate scanner/printer/fax modem is more versitle and not limited to the cookie cutter software and functions of a MFP.
4. MFP's typically requirely highly proprietary software so they aren't cross platform friendly.
5. The software typically gums up your system, stand alone copies work but you have more durability, cheaper supplies, and less hassle in general with a real low end copier.
6. All hp mfp's (and some of their other usb printers) have a known problem with jobs getting stuck in the print queue which they have not resolved. As an authorized reseller/repair center when I call support they are allowed to read me the red text which indicates the known issues that "don't exist", that's one of them. Officially it's a resource problem, unofficially it's just a problem.
6. MFP's aren't nearly as durable, one your fax load in addition to your print. They are made as cheaply as possible an equivelent stand-alone printer is ALWAYS built with more durable parts, so a high end MFP compares with low end lasers in this department.
That said, if you absolutely insist on an MFP, go with a high end hp, other manufacturers MFP's suck even more.
"replacement kernels already exist"
replacement tools exist, in fact they exist for every one of the platforms you list below. gnu aren't unique in the production of any of thier tools on linux either, only the most popular.
"I use gnu tools on Solaris, BSD, Linux, AIX, OSX, windows and HPUX."
yes the tools are ported to other operating systems, congratulations for discovering this revelation.. your point is? There are lots of applications which are ported to other operating systems, that doesn't mean you pick a random operating system and name it after the app.
"They allow me to feel at home on all these OSs."
Yes I have apps I love to, I often run them on other operating systems when I need to use those OS's for one reason or another. If anything you've only made my point. My point is simple, these tools aren't the operating system, they are applications. It's ridiculous to demand the operating system be named after the apps that run on it.
"You will never see gnu replacements for Linux. No one will bother."
True enough, the gnu versions work fine and are by no means lacking features, there's nothing wrong with gnu code at all (in fact there's lots of good). That doesn't mean if someone DID bother that a single programmer couldn't rewrite most of the fundemental utilities in a week... it doesn't mean programmers haven't done so. And it certainly doesn't mean we should name Linux after those applications which run on it.
"I didn't know people assumed LCDs have a better display. The reason most people I know buy LCDs is to get a larger physical screen size without having to sacrifice desk surface area for a hulking CRT."
Let me rephrase for him. Why do you think most people assume the display on an lcd is at least as good? Actually though, we sell alot of lcd's most do think their not only as good, but better, when in fact the truth is the opposite. CRT's blow lcd's away in terms of graphics quality and performance. The only arena an lcd wins in is space.
The gnu applications are just that, applications. Whether it's linux or another operating system, they need an operating system to function. The operating system is called LINUX. The gnu APPLICATIONS just happen to run on the linux operating system. You can port applications to other operating systems or you can run any app you want that is designed for your operating system.
GNU is to linux no more or less than kedit is, there are other apps, there are other operating systems. But there is no exuse for expecting someone to name their operating system after your apps.
That's a compiler, it's really irrelevant in the final product. You can use any compiler to compile source code. If gcc were gone tommorow linux would not be.
Now that we have both chickens and eggs, the chicken and the egg issue is a mute point.
Today, without the gnu tools you still have an operating system that is capable of running any application you write for it, including those gnu tools. Without an operating system the gnu tools cannot function.
I'd like to see any of those APPLICATIONS work without AN OPERATING SYSTEM.