I want an OS that can go a year without an exploit in ANY of the software they consider part of their 'distribution'.
So, you aren't looking for an OS then... you're looking for better software. Good luck. In all honesty, openBSD is your best bet. They do reviews of all of their software to make it much more secure (even if it's not 'feature rich'). That's why you get openBSD BIND when you install it. Granted, you won't have absolute security, but that's impossible.
And, if you don't like the OpenBSD style, NetBSD,known primarily for it's portability has excelent security (though, not as good as OpenBSD, in my oppinion)
I realize a secure desktop is going to be a lot harder, but lets at least shoot for a real secure server.
You realize that your security is only as strong as you make it... Heck, even windows can be secured as well as linux, it just takes time.
This I equate with communist radio and communist TV stations telling you how great communism is.
WHAT?! How much do you REALLY know about Communism? Not just what you heard about from your teachers in highschool. Ever read The Communist Manifesto?
No... hrm... anything by Marx?
No... hrm... what about "The Anatamy of Peace"?
No... supprising how people make comments on something they know NOTHING about.
Communism IS great. I dare you to tell me one thing wrong with Communism that Capitalism does better (be careful here, because you can't confuse fascism and communism. They aren't the same thing!).
If I sounded pissed, good. I was. Realise that just because you don't like communism doesn't mean that it's nothing but fascist propaganda.
Ummm... in reality, not very often.
Last time I checked, the competition in most areas is still not an issue. MS has at least 90% of the desktop market, a pretty good chunk of the server market, a large portion of the palmtop computer market, need any more examples? (cause if you do... they make some damn decent mice/keyboards, and I'm sure, other hardware as well)
But I'm going to refer to a comment made on a previous story (Sorry, I can't remember who said it...), but what is MS supposed to say? That google is the best thing since sliced bread? (in many ways... they are, if you RTFA) Of course MS is going to bash it, it's competition.
That's like if Gates got up and said, "Linux beats the fuck out of windows, go use that instead!" What do you think MS stock would be the next day?
What's really amazing is how you pulled of an Insightful rating on that obvious troll.
Well, I don't see your point here.
The GPL liscence only contradicts the BSD liscence if they are in the same binary (ie kernel code). The BSDs don't have to steer clear of the GNU Compiler Collection because gcc isn't part of the kernel.
I honestly don't think anyone would be THAT much of a zealot about their liscences, but then again..
Hrm... it depends on your goals in releasing the code. The BASIC (I'M NOT A LAWYER... I DON'T EVEN PLAY ONE ON TV) breakdown of the common liscences is this: BSD: Your source code is free to include and modify in any project, but any copyright information that you put in their (who wrote it, etc) MUST stay there. (The best example of this is the TCP/IP stack in windows. It was written by the BSD team, I guess you can still find their copyright info if you look at the binaries)
Benifits of this liscence would include creating a standard (such as TCP/IP) because then everybody can include it in their works (windows, linux, OS X, etc). GPL: The source code and any derivative works thereof, must ALWAYS (it gets sticky here... technicly you could release the same code under 2 different liscences, one branch would always be GPL the other would depend on its liscence... check out mysql's marketing to see how this might be advantagous for you) be available upon request.
The benefits of this liscence are basicly that once it enters GPL-land... it can never come out (Big Moneygrubbing Company inc. can't come along and steal your work and put it into their product without giving something (in this case, their product source code) back).
I know I'm not 100% on targed, and some BSD/GPL zealot is going to jump all over me... but that's a fairly basic breakdown.
Hope it helped.
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package management only second to debian?! I'm sorry, but the fBSD package management system is by far better than debian.
(this may seem like a troll... but it's not, I swear)
Debian packages tend to be outdated. And, while this doesn't really matter on a server (unless you're upgrading to fix an exploit, I guess), it means that I can't stand using it on a desktop (yes... I use freeBSD as a desktop at home). On freebsd, if I want to upgrade my ports tree, no problem. cvsup it and I've got updated packages. apt-get update just hasn't been able to keep up with package releases (well, not enough to suit me, I guess).
To conclude: Debian rocks, but I like freeBSD more.
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On a serious note... that's kind of the point.
Slackware has NEVER been geared towards being 'better' or 'faster' than anything else. It just tries to be as stable and trustworthy as it can.
I know of someone that runs a very large mud (about 400-500 people on all the time) on slackware. Been running it for several years now and has never upgraded his base system. No need to.
Ok, I seriously found this comment funny (but it will still get modded down...).
Anyone that doesn't know what slackware is (or apparently, hasn't heard of it...) deserves to be flamed.
I'm sorry, but know your roots, son.
I have a friend who is having problems converting his workstation over to a *NIX machine because every browser in existance for *NIX is missing MAPI support, which he requires. I know that Ximian sells a package that emulates mapi stuff, but that doesn't cut it.
<info> It's actually NOT a democracy, the united states bears a closer resemblance to a democratic republic. The idea is the same, but the execution is DEFINATLY not. </info>
Hrm... aren't segfaults usually an indication of bad ram?
Thought so.
Wow, I can post OLD articles and troll too!
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Actually, I won't... but anyone that reads that article should really look for the DATED version of the origonal... it's at least a year old, which in computer time is... well... a long fucking time.
Actually, this might provide some interesting innovations. Because holding the English->French, English->Spanish, English->Japanese, etc. modules would be absolutely stupid. Why not create a 'universal' language... so instead of English->50 million languages. You have English->Universal and Universal->English. This seems like the 'easiest' approach to this problem.
Is there currently a patent out for THAT?
If not, now nobody can have it!!! (previous art by ME!)
I don't know about that. Don't get me wrong... people that know me, know that I am adamantly against patents and similar 'systems' (ie copyrights). Granted, I'm a bit of a socialist, but still. Anyway, I can understand why, in this capitalistic society, patents are a GOOD idea. Without them, how hard would it be to completly rip off someone elses idea and market it as their own (taking the profits and recognition of the REAL creator). This has obvious consequences. Take, for example, an honest philanthropist that discovers a cure for cancer. How hard would it be for a huge company to steal his discovery and market it, with capitalistic goals in mind. All the philanthropist wanted was to be recognised for his discovery, but instead a huge corporation is given the credit. Is this fair? Not at all. Would it happen without patents/copyrights? Of course it would. I'm not a fan of the abuse of the system, but it does have its place. And a flawed system is often better than none at all.
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I want an OS that can go a year without an exploit in ANY of the software they consider part of their 'distribution'.
So, you aren't looking for an OS then... you're looking for better software. Good luck. In all honesty, openBSD is your best bet. They do reviews of all of their software to make it much more secure (even if it's not 'feature rich'). That's why you get openBSD BIND when you install it. Granted, you won't have absolute security, but that's impossible.
And, if you don't like the OpenBSD style, NetBSD,known primarily for it's portability has excelent security (though, not as good as OpenBSD, in my oppinion)
I realize a secure desktop is going to be a lot harder, but lets at least shoot for a real secure server.
You realize that your security is only as strong as you make it... Heck, even windows can be secured as well as linux, it just takes time.
This I equate with communist radio and communist TV stations telling you how great communism is.
WHAT?! How much do you REALLY know about Communism? Not just what you heard about from your teachers in highschool. Ever read The Communist Manifesto?
No... hrm... anything by Marx?
No... hrm... what about "The Anatamy of Peace"?
No... supprising how people make comments on something they know NOTHING about.
Communism IS great. I dare you to tell me one thing wrong with Communism that Capitalism does better (be careful here, because you can't confuse fascism and communism. They aren't the same thing!).
If I sounded pissed, good. I was. Realise that just because you don't like communism doesn't mean that it's nothing but fascist propaganda.
See... these are the kinds of ideas that we need! Implimentation might be a problem, but the idea is supurb.
Only problem is that with as much porn as I look at, the whole result system would be sk(r)ewed.
Ummm... in reality, not very often.
Last time I checked, the competition in most areas is still not an issue. MS has at least 90% of the desktop market, a pretty good chunk of the server market, a large portion of the palmtop computer market, need any more examples? (cause if you do... they make some damn decent mice/keyboards, and I'm sure, other hardware as well)
But I'm going to refer to a comment made on a previous story (Sorry, I can't remember who said it...), but what is MS supposed to say? That google is the best thing since sliced bread? (in many ways... they are, if you RTFA) Of course MS is going to bash it, it's competition.
That's like if Gates got up and said, "Linux beats the fuck out of windows, go use that instead!" What do you think MS stock would be the next day?
What's really amazing is how you pulled of an Insightful rating on that obvious troll.
Well, I don't see your point here. The GPL liscence only contradicts the BSD liscence if they are in the same binary (ie kernel code). The BSDs don't have to steer clear of the GNU Compiler Collection because gcc isn't part of the kernel.
I honestly don't think anyone would be THAT much of a zealot about their liscences, but then again..
Oh yeah, you could always just make your own liscence. Just because you don't use GPL or BSD doesn't mean you can't be open source...
but if you ask me. The two schools of OSS are: GPL and BSD (either it's always open source, or it doesn't have to be; respectivly).
Hrm... it depends on your goals in releasing the code. The BASIC (I'M NOT A LAWYER... I DON'T EVEN PLAY ONE ON TV) breakdown of the common liscences is this:
BSD: Your source code is free to include and modify in any project, but any copyright information that you put in their (who wrote it, etc) MUST stay there. (The best example of this is the TCP/IP stack in windows. It was written by the BSD team, I guess you can still find their copyright info if you look at the binaries)
Benifits of this liscence would include creating a standard (such as TCP/IP) because then everybody can include it in their works (windows, linux, OS X, etc).
GPL: The source code and any derivative works thereof, must ALWAYS (it gets sticky here... technicly you could release the same code under 2 different liscences, one branch would always be GPL the other would depend on its liscence... check out mysql's marketing to see how this might be advantagous for you) be available upon request.
The benefits of this liscence are basicly that once it enters GPL-land... it can never come out (Big Moneygrubbing Company inc. can't come along and steal your work and put it into their product without giving something (in this case, their product source code) back).
I know I'm not 100% on targed, and some BSD/GPL zealot is going to jump all over me... but that's a fairly basic breakdown.
Hope it helped.
This post paid for by my employer... bringing you slacking off since... wait... I'm fired? Damnit!
Great comeback... Well, you could probably tell where I was going with that.
package management only second to debian?! I'm sorry, but the fBSD package management system is by far better than debian. (this may seem like a troll... but it's not, I swear) Debian packages tend to be outdated. And, while this doesn't really matter on a server (unless you're upgrading to fix an exploit, I guess), it means that I can't stand using it on a desktop (yes... I use freeBSD as a desktop at home). On freebsd, if I want to upgrade my ports tree, no problem. cvsup it and I've got updated packages. apt-get update just hasn't been able to keep up with package releases (well, not enough to suit me, I guess). To conclude: Debian rocks, but I like freeBSD more.
On a serious note... that's kind of the point. Slackware has NEVER been geared towards being 'better' or 'faster' than anything else. It just tries to be as stable and trustworthy as it can. I know of someone that runs a very large mud (about 400-500 people on all the time) on slackware. Been running it for several years now and has never upgraded his base system. No need to.
Ok, I seriously found this comment funny (but it will still get modded down...). Anyone that doesn't know what slackware is (or apparently, hasn't heard of it...) deserves to be flamed. I'm sorry, but know your roots, son.
I have a friend who is having problems converting his workstation over to a *NIX machine because every browser in existance for *NIX is missing MAPI support, which he requires. I know that Ximian sells a package that emulates mapi stuff, but that doesn't cut it.
Hrm... aren't segfaults usually an indication of bad ram? Thought so.
Actually, I won't... but anyone that reads that article should really look for the DATED version of the origonal... it's at least a year old, which in computer time is... well... a long fucking time.
Actually, this might provide some interesting innovations. Because holding the English->French, English->Spanish, English->Japanese, etc. modules would be absolutely stupid. Why not create a 'universal' language... so instead of English->50 million languages. You have English->Universal and Universal->English. This seems like the 'easiest' approach to this problem. Is there currently a patent out for THAT? If not, now nobody can have it!!! (previous art by ME!)
I don't know about that.
Don't get me wrong... people that know me, know that I am adamantly against patents and similar 'systems' (ie copyrights). Granted, I'm a bit of a socialist, but still.
Anyway, I can understand why, in this capitalistic society, patents are a GOOD idea. Without them, how hard would it be to completly rip off someone elses idea and market it as their own (taking the profits and recognition of the REAL creator). This has obvious consequences.
Take, for example, an honest philanthropist that discovers a cure for cancer. How hard would it be for a huge company to steal his discovery and market it, with capitalistic goals in mind. All the philanthropist wanted was to be recognised for his discovery, but instead a huge corporation is given the credit.
Is this fair? Not at all.
Would it happen without patents/copyrights? Of course it would.
I'm not a fan of the abuse of the system, but it does have its place. And a flawed system is often better than none at all.