Well, I know that what you said sounds nice, but I'm willing to bet a large ammount of money that RedHat, SuSe, etc. had ulterier motives. Chances are that they wanted to make sure that THEIR software wasn't vulnerable. I'm in NO way saying that this is a bad thing, I think that it's one of the greatest parts of OSS in general. BUT, if there was an exploit in FreeBSD would the linux community come to it's rescue? Not a chance in the world. I'm just saying that this idealistic view of Free Software as the savior of software exploits is bullshit. RedHat and SuSe don't care about the ideals of free software, just making a buck. (It just so happens that when this occurs in the Linux community, everybody in that community benefits, not just the people that make the buck)
Oh yeah, this isn't a troll, I'm just playing the devils advocate.
I'm sorry, but people don't use windows at home because it is "easy to use."
A person once told me the best reason I've heard that people use windows: Everybody uses windows because everybody uses windows
If Everybody used any other OS (OSX, Linux, FreeBSD, BeOS, Amiga, etc) for gaming, productivity, media, etc. Then EVERYBODY else would use the same operating system to maintain compatablitiy.
I have yet to hear a casual user say that they love windows.
The honest fact is that 90% of people don't care what OS they use, as long as they can listen to MP3s, play games (in my opinion, a MAJOR obsticle that desktop *NIX has to overcome... I was excited that I could get unreal tournament to run on my gentoo box), and open office (open/star/MS/whatever) documents.
The current state of *nix desktops is wonderful! KDE 3.x is definatly professional grade. XFCE4 is definatly ready for the desktop. Fluxbox is there for people that want the best performance with the smallist footprint. I dare ANYBODY to name something that can be done on a Windows based workgroup that can't be done on a *nix workgroup.
I'm sorry, but the ONLY area that linux is truely lacking is in the gaming department. This includes Graphics acceleration. I don't care if the drivers are closed-source (such as the nvidia drivers, which I must admit, are awesome), or open (the DRI for the ati cards isn't as good, but it's still not bad at all).
I'm willing to bet that if a company like loki got into the market now, with some big name titles, then the ammount of linux desktops would skyrocket. Sadly, the only precident of a comany like this is loki, which dipped it's feet in the water way too soon. Linux wasn't ready then. It is now.
As proof of this, I have at least 3 friends (granted, they are somewhat more computer literate than the 'average joe') that want me to install *NIX on their desktop. A year ago, there is NO way that they would have even THOUGHT about dual-booting.
I just don't believe that anyone can get away with saying that *NIX isn't ready for the desktop anymore.
The ONLY thing that was keeping me from using dfbsd was the fact that I had to a) install freebsd-stable b) cvsup the dfbsd sources c) recompile everthing d) then have my system
Now that dfbsd has it's own ISO, I might have to find an old junk box somewhere to install it on (I actually like freebsd 4.x more than the 5.x series so far... MUCH faster, but I'm sure that'll change when it goes stable (no more debugging symbols, etc.)
To be honest, I have no idea how well it would support x86-64, but under regular 32 bit processors, it runs very well, so you could easily assume that it runs at least as well, but probably better.
http://www.freebsddiary.org/postgresql.php
That page is a VERY good resource for setting up postgresql (it's for 7.2, but it still works). www.freebsddiary.org has a LOT of information reguarding postgres. Just do a search for "postgres" and you should find 2-3 very decent how-to's.
Wrong.
Now for what really happened:
A code red derivative enabled all of this and the default settings were never changed...
This COULDN'T happen under even a basic *NIX 'security policy' because the user would have to first gain root access.
In this case, there was a flaw that allowed the virus to gain administrator privlages to change the settings... This IS a Microsoft problem, not an admin problem.
This really suprises me, because in theory, one shouldn't need read-access to that file.
I just tried to chmod 600/etc/passwd and I had linux complain, there really should be a workaround to disable passwd from being readable, because it IS a security risk...
You have obviously never installed a freeBSD system. The FIRST thing that I do after installing from a release is to cvsup the latest sources. This requires me to rebuild the world. From my experience with freebsd, well over 75% of admins do this. And the other (less than) 25% probably don't even patch, so they won't care anyway. SO, if you don't want it, put the option in right before you update.
I've been looking at the cyber culture for a while and I've noticed something... Few people could argue that the internet subculture has been evolving and changing MUCH more quickly than the real world culture. Look at the OSS movement (Quick subnote... Microsoft was right when they said that this movement was 'pro-communist' or whatever their exact wording was... but who cares, I'll be getting to this soon): linux, *bsd, as well as all of the software that runs EXCLUSIVLY on these systems... What I'm getting at here is that as the internet subculture keeps evolving, one can easily see that it is mimicing the real world... only MUCH more quickly. Here's a brief chronological 'internet timeline'... Fill in anything I missed where it might be appropriate. 1) The internet and computers started out as systems to improve of the government. They were owned and operated by the government. (Imagine early man first discovering trade... those that traded, in this case the government, were MUCH better off than those that didn't... which leads us to the next point) 2) They quickly moved to the elite in the real world. These systems are now controlled by the elite... this isn't going to change for a while...(Imagine early dictatorships, where only those from higher families could hope for a wonderful, work free, life.) 3) The 'working man' finally gets to use computers and the internet. The only problem is that 99.9% of the technology is owned and controlled by the elites. (Imagine capitalism as we know it... anyone is free to market anything they want... but Billy G can still do whatever the fuck he wants...) 4) *COMMING ATTRACTION* The 'working man' finally controls the computers and the internet. (Hrm... I'm somehow reminded of Marx... For those of you who haven't researched socialism/capitalsim: THEY DO WORK! Marx would have told the world in a second that the USSR would have failed, that N. Korea wouldn't have been a communist paradise, that Cuba wouldn't have been a wonderful place to live. It's easy to see because they went STRAIGHT to communism. It doesn't work that way. Marx said that capitalism was NESSISARY for a true communist state to start. This is because the working man needs to be pissed off enough to start a revolution and stab those rich fuckers with a pitchfork... well, maybe not so violently, but still... you get the idea)
The funny thing about this is that Marx never said "it'd be nice if this would happen." He looked at history and concluded that it WOULD happen. As an ardent socialist, I'm really hoping that the cyberworld will be the first 'testing ground' for a true communist state.
Well, McCarthyism was pretty silly on a whole. Turned out communists weren't planning the overthrough of our 'wonderful capitalism.' What's even funnier, is that now we have even MORE socialists/communists (yes, I know they are two seperate enteties, but they are both ideologically opposed to capitalism) than we did 50 years ago, but still no revolution (although some, myself included, wouldn't mind a nice revolution every now and again:) When applying history to current events, I guess it's true that history repeats itself (Yes, I'm aluding to the fact that if america would pull it's empirialistic (sp) head out of it's ass, we wouldn't be having ANY problems in foriegn affairs)
the savings of a college student
Savings? What savings? Oh! You mean those student loans.
Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm poor as fuck. I could give the RIAA everthing I've got, and only be out MAYBE 100 bucks.
Well, you could always start the emerge before you go to bed, and when you wake up, it should be done (if not... go to school/work and come back).
You don't have to have 100% attendance at your box at all times during comile times. AND, if you're really anal about compiling asap, drop out of x and do it on the command line... should speed it up a bit (especially on such a large program).
I just lost my gentoo install due to a poorly configured kernel (oops!) so I decided to go back to my old standby of FreeBSD.
This meant, however, that I also lost my favorite mud client (kmuddy... if you use linux, it is a very decent mud client) due to the fact that there isn't a fBSD port that I could find. After looking around, I decided to install gnome-mud.
It is great! Everything I hated about kmuddy is fixed under gnome-mud. Works GREAT!
My personal stance on the issue is: if an artist doesn't want me to pirate their music, I don't. That also means that I'll NEVER buy one of their albums (I'm not going to drop 15 bucks on a CD that I haven't heard before).
I'll admit that I don't buy NEARLY enough CDs for the amount of music that I have, but I go to see live shows about every chance I get. So there's a definate trade off.
Your example of copying homework is totally misconstrued (sp).
1) Doing homework sucks. It isn't remotely fun.
2) Making music is fun! How many local bands do you know that get paid enough for shows to survive. Personally, I don't know any. 90% of musicians DON'T CARE about the money. End of story. The only problem is that big label music will only show you the 10% (albiet the bottom 10) that do care.
For christ's sake! It's a DAEMON, not a GNOME!!! I really don't get the reasons behind putting version numbers on a mascot, but hey... whatever floats your boat.
I'm going to have to disagree with some of your post. I'll admit that all the *nix I use (*BSD, gentoo, slackware) is a pain in the ass to install, but I also know that some installs are EASY (once, I installed Redhat... hated it, but it was easy as hell... and that was like 2 years ago) But as far as Mr Joe Average (the porn adict who runs in root because it's easier) goes... thats BS for one reason... xscreensaver. I'm not kidding here, screensavers are a fairly big part of computers now, and not being able to run xscreensaver would cause people not to run as root. In all honesty, that's the reason I NEVER (well... post install/testing) run XFree as root... I hate xscreensaver complaining. I know it's not good practice to run X as root EVER, but I still would sometimes if it weren't for xscreensaver.
Trust me... scratch 'n sniff would NOT be a good idea for porn. Well, then again, if their tits are fake, then they might be able to fake the smell, but as it stands, who'd want to stand in a fish (or sausage for that matter) marked while doing their thing. Not me. Plus, then we'd have a whole new issue with the tubgirl trolls. *shiver* eww...
actually, I went through (and still believe in) that method of thought. I did some research on religion shortly after, and what I found out is that many (I'm not willing to say all) western religions have a story about the beggining, and a set of strict guidelines. As was stated in your post, some people are now starting to believe that religion was an early form of morals-based 'government' (poor word choice... but the idea is still there).
On the other hand, many eastern religions don't require absolute devotion to just 1 religion (ie Many Buddhists living in christian environments celebrate Christmas).
If you've got the feeling that religion was established as a deterrent, check out some eastern religions (Taoism, Buddhism, etc.). My personal experience is that many (again... not all) tend to be geared towards more personal achievements/improvements than adhering to a set of strict rules.
Even if you don't find anything you like, it's always a good idea to be worldly on these kinds of things (It always bugs me when people think buddhists worship buddha)
No... it doesn't.
Their version of GCC is for in-house use only. I'm willing to bet good money that the only changes that they made to GCC involve the specific archecture they are compiling onto, and while it'd be NICE for them to distribute it... it's by no means nessisary.
Because forcing companies to hire expensive labour is good for the economy? You're hired if your help is required for their business to function. If they can get that help cheaper elsewhere, then maybe you should consider a paycut or an industry change. Have you ever bought anything made in China? Taiwan? etc... If so, you're a hyprocrite.
That's not the way I see this situation. Often times, this 'cheaper' labor is less than minimum wage in the USA... we can't legally be employed (full time) for that little.
Now, I don't know much about economics, but I do know that to have a strong economy, we need a strong workforce. Simply outsourcing to another country isn't good for the economy. It's probably the worst thing that one could DO for the economy.
As an example. In the great depression, FDR created SEVERAL work forces (ie... forcing 'companies' (government) to hire labour) that pulled us out of that mess. Was THAT bad for us?
Don't get me wrong, I can definatly see your point . Hell, I'm 'working' (ok... reading slashdot... but I do work sometimes;) for 8 bucks an hour in IT (I could work for at least that at the local Pizza Hut...) because it beats anything else as far as work conditions go, but to say that outsourcing to India is any better for our economy than forcing companies to hire labour, then you're wrong. Plain and simple.
No, what he's saying is that when freeBSD started (Man... I don't even know how long ago), there was less software to put into the port tree, so hitting that "5000+" mark in a year was nearly impossible.
Like the IP-stack in BSD... everyone knows it was invented by Linux Torwaldis in 1974, but because the GPL has never stood up in court, BSD corporation (under orders from SCO IMHO) relinced it and claims it as theirs because their licence is better.
I can't tell whether you are trying to troll, or be funny. Either way, you can't seriously believe that BSD got it's TCP/IP stack from "Linux Torwaldis" (It's Linus Torvalds). Linux actually took the BSD TCP/IP stack, but later replaced it with their own version.
I've thought about it for a while, and decided you were a troll... but I already typed my reply up, so you have to put up with it now.
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Well, I know that what you said sounds nice, but I'm willing to bet a large ammount of money that RedHat, SuSe, etc. had ulterier motives.
Chances are that they wanted to make sure that THEIR software wasn't vulnerable.
I'm in NO way saying that this is a bad thing, I think that it's one of the greatest parts of OSS in general.
BUT, if there was an exploit in FreeBSD would the linux community come to it's rescue? Not a chance in the world.
I'm just saying that this idealistic view of Free Software as the savior of software exploits is bullshit. RedHat and SuSe don't care about the ideals of free software, just making a buck.
(It just so happens that when this occurs in the Linux community, everybody in that community benefits, not just the people that make the buck)
Oh yeah, this isn't a troll, I'm just playing the devils advocate.
I'm sorry, but people don't use windows at home because it is "easy to use."
A person once told me the best reason I've heard that people use windows:
Everybody uses windows because everybody uses windows
If Everybody used any other OS (OSX, Linux, FreeBSD, BeOS, Amiga, etc) for gaming, productivity, media, etc. Then EVERYBODY else would use the same operating system to maintain compatablitiy.
I have yet to hear a casual user say that they love windows.
The honest fact is that 90% of people don't care what OS they use, as long as they can listen to MP3s, play games (in my opinion, a MAJOR obsticle that desktop *NIX has to overcome... I was excited that I could get unreal tournament to run on my gentoo box), and open office (open/star/MS/whatever) documents.
The current state of *nix desktops is wonderful! KDE 3.x is definatly professional grade. XFCE4 is definatly ready for the desktop. Fluxbox is there for people that want the best performance with the smallist footprint. I dare ANYBODY to name something that can be done on a Windows based workgroup that can't be done on a *nix workgroup.
I'm sorry, but the ONLY area that linux is truely lacking is in the gaming department. This includes Graphics acceleration. I don't care if the drivers are closed-source (such as the nvidia drivers, which I must admit, are awesome), or open (the DRI for the ati cards isn't as good, but it's still not bad at all).
I'm willing to bet that if a company like loki got into the market now, with some big name titles, then the ammount of linux desktops would skyrocket. Sadly, the only precident of a comany like this is loki, which dipped it's feet in the water way too soon. Linux wasn't ready then. It is now.
As proof of this, I have at least 3 friends (granted, they are somewhat more computer literate than the 'average joe') that want me to install *NIX on their desktop. A year ago, there is NO way that they would have even THOUGHT about dual-booting.
I just don't believe that anyone can get away with saying that *NIX isn't ready for the desktop anymore.
The ONLY thing that was keeping me from using dfbsd was the fact that I had to
a) install freebsd-stable
b) cvsup the dfbsd sources
c) recompile everthing
d) then have my system
Now that dfbsd has it's own ISO, I might have to find an old junk box somewhere to install it on (I actually like freebsd 4.x more than the 5.x series so far... MUCH faster, but I'm sure that'll change when it goes stable (no more debugging symbols, etc.)
To be honest, I have no idea how well it would support x86-64, but under regular 32 bit processors, it runs very well, so you could easily assume that it runs at least as well, but probably better.
http://www.freebsddiary.org/postgresql.php
That page is a VERY good resource for setting up postgresql (it's for 7.2, but it still works).
www.freebsddiary.org has a LOT of information reguarding postgres.
Just do a search for "postgres" and you should find 2-3 very decent how-to's.
Wrong. Now for what really happened: A code red derivative enabled all of this and the default settings were never changed... This COULDN'T happen under even a basic *NIX 'security policy' because the user would have to first gain root access. In this case, there was a flaw that allowed the virus to gain administrator privlages to change the settings... This IS a Microsoft problem, not an admin problem.
This really suprises me, because in theory, one shouldn't need read-access to that file. I just tried to chmod 600 /etc/passwd and I had linux complain, there really should be a workaround to disable passwd from being readable, because it IS a security risk...
You have obviously never installed a freeBSD system.
The FIRST thing that I do after installing from a release is to cvsup the latest sources.
This requires me to rebuild the world.
From my experience with freebsd, well over 75% of admins do this. And the other (less than) 25% probably don't even patch, so they won't care anyway.
SO, if you don't want it, put the option in right before you update.
Am I the only one that finds it ironic that someone preaches about '[Weaning] yourself from your electronic nipple' on SLASHDOT?
I've been looking at the cyber culture for a while and I've noticed something...
Few people could argue that the internet subculture has been evolving and changing MUCH more quickly than the real world culture. Look at the OSS movement (Quick subnote... Microsoft was right when they said that this movement was 'pro-communist' or whatever their exact wording was... but who cares, I'll be getting to this soon): linux, *bsd, as well as all of the software that runs EXCLUSIVLY on these systems...
What I'm getting at here is that as the internet subculture keeps evolving, one can easily see that it is mimicing the real world... only MUCH more quickly. Here's a brief chronological 'internet timeline'... Fill in anything I missed where it might be appropriate.
1) The internet and computers started out as systems to improve of the government. They were owned and operated by the government. (Imagine early man first discovering trade... those that traded, in this case the government, were MUCH better off than those that didn't... which leads us to the next point)
2) They quickly moved to the elite in the real world. These systems are now controlled by the elite... this isn't going to change for a while...(Imagine early dictatorships, where only those from higher families could hope for a wonderful, work free, life.)
3) The 'working man' finally gets to use computers and the internet. The only problem is that 99.9% of the technology is owned and controlled by the elites. (Imagine capitalism as we know it... anyone is free to market anything they want... but Billy G can still do whatever the fuck he wants...)
4) *COMMING ATTRACTION* The 'working man' finally controls the computers and the internet. (Hrm... I'm somehow reminded of Marx... For those of you who haven't researched socialism/capitalsim: THEY DO WORK! Marx would have told the world in a second that the USSR would have failed, that N. Korea wouldn't have been a communist paradise, that Cuba wouldn't have been a wonderful place to live. It's easy to see because they went STRAIGHT to communism. It doesn't work that way. Marx said that capitalism was NESSISARY for a true communist state to start. This is because the working man needs to be pissed off enough to start a revolution and stab those rich fuckers with a pitchfork... well, maybe not so violently, but still... you get the idea)
The funny thing about this is that Marx never said "it'd be nice if this would happen." He looked at history and concluded that it WOULD happen.
As an ardent socialist, I'm really hoping that the cyberworld will be the first 'testing ground' for a true communist state.
Well, McCarthyism was pretty silly on a whole. Turned out communists weren't planning the overthrough of our 'wonderful capitalism.' :)
What's even funnier, is that now we have even MORE socialists/communists (yes, I know they are two seperate enteties, but they are both ideologically opposed to capitalism) than we did 50 years ago, but still no revolution (although some, myself included, wouldn't mind a nice revolution every now and again
When applying history to current events, I guess it's true that history repeats itself (Yes, I'm aluding to the fact that if america would pull it's empirialistic (sp) head out of it's ass, we wouldn't be having ANY problems in foriegn affairs)
the savings of a college student
Savings? What savings? Oh! You mean those student loans.
Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm poor as fuck. I could give the RIAA everthing I've got, and only be out MAYBE 100 bucks.
Well, you could always start the emerge before you go to bed, and when you wake up, it should be done (if not... go to school/work and come back). You don't have to have 100% attendance at your box at all times during comile times. AND, if you're really anal about compiling asap, drop out of x and do it on the command line... should speed it up a bit (especially on such a large program).
I just lost my gentoo install due to a poorly configured kernel (oops!) so I decided to go back to my old standby of FreeBSD.
This meant, however, that I also lost my favorite mud client (kmuddy... if you use linux, it is a very decent mud client) due to the fact that there isn't a fBSD port that I could find. After looking around, I decided to install gnome-mud.
It is great! Everything I hated about kmuddy is fixed under gnome-mud. Works GREAT!
I don't think your example is 100% accurate.
My personal stance on the issue is: if an artist doesn't want me to pirate their music, I don't. That also means that I'll NEVER buy one of their albums (I'm not going to drop 15 bucks on a CD that I haven't heard before).
I'll admit that I don't buy NEARLY enough CDs for the amount of music that I have, but I go to see live shows about every chance I get. So there's a definate trade off.
Your example of copying homework is totally misconstrued (sp).
1) Doing homework sucks. It isn't remotely fun.
2) Making music is fun! How many local bands do you know that get paid enough for shows to survive. Personally, I don't know any. 90% of musicians DON'T CARE about the money. End of story. The only problem is that big label music will only show you the 10% (albiet the bottom 10) that do care.
For christ's sake!
It's a DAEMON, not a GNOME!!!
I really don't get the reasons behind putting version numbers on a mascot, but hey... whatever floats your boat.
You can't make generalizations without complete information.
Isn't that an oxy-moron?
If we had complete information, it wouldn't be a generalization.
I'm going to have to disagree with some of your post.
I'll admit that all the *nix I use (*BSD, gentoo, slackware) is a pain in the ass to install, but I also know that some installs are EASY (once, I installed Redhat... hated it, but it was easy as hell... and that was like 2 years ago)
But as far as Mr Joe Average (the porn adict who runs in root because it's easier) goes... thats BS for one reason... xscreensaver. I'm not kidding here, screensavers are a fairly big part of computers now, and not being able to run xscreensaver would cause people not to run as root.
In all honesty, that's the reason I NEVER (well... post install/testing) run XFree as root... I hate xscreensaver complaining. I know it's not good practice to run X as root EVER, but I still would sometimes if it weren't for xscreensaver.
Trust me... scratch 'n sniff would NOT be a good idea for porn. Well, then again, if their tits are fake, then they might be able to fake the smell, but as it stands, who'd want to stand in a fish (or sausage for that matter) marked while doing their thing. Not me.
Plus, then we'd have a whole new issue with the tubgirl trolls. *shiver* eww...
actually, I went through (and still believe in) that method of thought. I did some research on religion shortly after, and what I found out is that many (I'm not willing to say all) western religions have a story about the beggining, and a set of strict guidelines. As was stated in your post, some people are now starting to believe that religion was an early form of morals-based 'government' (poor word choice... but the idea is still there).
On the other hand, many eastern religions don't require absolute devotion to just 1 religion (ie Many Buddhists living in christian environments celebrate Christmas).
If you've got the feeling that religion was established as a deterrent, check out some eastern religions (Taoism, Buddhism, etc.). My personal experience is that many (again... not all) tend to be geared towards more personal achievements/improvements than adhering to a set of strict rules.
Even if you don't find anything you like, it's always a good idea to be worldly on these kinds of things (It always bugs me when people think buddhists worship buddha)
No... it doesn't.
Their version of GCC is for in-house use only. I'm willing to bet good money that the only changes that they made to GCC involve the specific archecture they are compiling onto, and while it'd be NICE for them to distribute it... it's by no means nessisary.
But, here's the catch. The GPL never states that software bundled with GPL software has to be free of restrictions.
What redhat (and many other vendors for that matter) has done is programmed their own software, and liscenced THAT under something non-GPL.
Don't like it? Fine, then don't use RedHat. (No, really... don't use redhat, I've NEVER seen a decent redhat setup)
Fry: Hey, I got you guys refrigerator magnets!
Because forcing companies to hire expensive labour is good for the economy? You're hired if your help is required for their business to function. If they can get that help cheaper elsewhere, then maybe you should consider a paycut or an industry change. Have you ever bought anything made in China? Taiwan? etc... If so, you're a hyprocrite.
;) for 8 bucks an hour in IT (I could work for at least that at the local Pizza Hut...) because it beats anything else as far as work conditions go, but to say that outsourcing to India is any better for our economy than forcing companies to hire labour, then you're wrong. Plain and simple.
That's not the way I see this situation. Often times, this 'cheaper' labor is less than minimum wage in the USA... we can't legally be employed (full time) for that little.
Now, I don't know much about economics, but I do know that to have a strong economy, we need a strong workforce. Simply outsourcing to another country isn't good for the economy. It's probably the worst thing that one could DO for the economy.
As an example. In the great depression, FDR created SEVERAL work forces (ie... forcing 'companies' (government) to hire labour) that pulled us out of that mess. Was THAT bad for us?
Don't get me wrong, I can definatly see your point . Hell, I'm 'working' (ok... reading slashdot... but I do work sometimes
No, what he's saying is that when freeBSD started (Man... I don't even know how long ago), there was less software to put into the port tree, so hitting that "5000+" mark in a year was nearly impossible.
Like the IP-stack in BSD... everyone knows it was invented by Linux Torwaldis in 1974, but because the GPL has never stood up in court, BSD corporation (under orders from SCO IMHO) relinced it and claims it as theirs because their licence is better.
I can't tell whether you are trying to troll, or be funny. Either way, you can't seriously believe that BSD got it's TCP/IP stack from "Linux Torwaldis" (It's Linus Torvalds). Linux actually took the BSD TCP/IP stack, but later replaced it with their own version.
I've thought about it for a while, and decided you were a troll... but I already typed my reply up, so you have to put up with it now.