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interesting point overall.
but what is more important is to have a team that have a mental shared picture on goals and values
Shared goals and values are easier to get through similar backgrounds and experiences, therefore to me it makes sense a company founded by two people while doing their PhDs would seek people who have also put in a lot of academic time in order to achive shared goals and values.
Re:I hate college
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Well put.
I would also like to add that often people with degrees have had access to sources of information (professors, libraries, contacts, etc) that may be hard to get or at least less likely to be considered than someone without a degree. In the case of Google, it appears that they are claiming to be looking for bright people who not only can come up with ideas but come up with good ideas and be able to back them up to present them, which often requires research skills (which I imagine to be rarely cultivated outsite of acadamia and used less frequently).
From personal experience, I learned to program on my own outside of school (which I think many readers here have probably done). I took a few programming classes while in school which I felt like I really didn't gain any more learning from than I would have on my own (honestly less in some cases because they required too much time for me to focus on learning new things). So although I didn't feel like my degree enhanced my programming much, it gave me credability. It also gave me confidence that I was at least on level with my peers, which is honestly worth a lot. And most importantly to me it gave me exposure to various professors with all different styles and personalities all trying to get totally different types of things from me. So I learned how to interact better, more quickly, and adjust faster to new situations.
The school I was in included many hands-on projects with outside companies and group projects which allowed us to make mistakes and try new approached to problems without worries of loosing a job, while getting feedback at various steps of why things were or were not working. It was sorta like an open test-bed to various issues and ideas.
Re:Comprehensive interviews are very important.
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also goes the same for having some 'A' people there who may want more 'A's but if they only have 'B' or 'C' people in actually hireing positions or initially sorting the people even... So many times in inital interviews I've felt like I was interviewing with someone who had no clue what I was talking about, and only asking a set list of questions that don't always include what the real questions should be.
Examples of simple Application Service Providers (ASPs) even you may use today:
- Virtual webhosting
- E-mail providors
- Online Fax providers (delivered to e-mail type)
This has been talked about for years now (practically as long as I remember the internet being around, maybe before). From an artical written in 1999, "IBM rolled out a series of new hosted business applications that support critical accounting, human resource and sales automation services for small and midsize businesses."
sure i can read a CV...big deal you published an article, i really care what sites you visit now
Research that references any other articles are like this too. It's way to easy to get something published that you have to spend a ton of time checking what type of publication it is, what else the person has written, etc to determine credibility and who they referenced, etc. I guess the biggest difference is that MAYBE the article you are reading has actually done this background research before pointing you that way... but maybe not.
Basically now in many mediums people can get what they want out there you always have to decide if you trust their spin on things.
if the AI can figure all that out then why would they need you to do any thinking at all?
from a cynical point of view... a busy population is easier to control....?
ok.. blast from the past for a minute.. what about the OLD Caddy Systems (remember this?) Macs used to have where the CD is in a plasic case and the whole unit is put into the reader... I don't know much about these or if the idea could be re-created better. Bit I like the idea of having a standard media (CD for example) however with soemthing like a special case.
Although I think the best point I've heard so far isn't the side differences but added chances for scratching the CD while trying to get it into the reader.
I wanted to point out the fact that labels on CDs have been known to spin poorly and ruin many players, bubbles in the lables can cause them to oxidize in those spots, and addhesive sometimes comes off in the machine making the CD stick. So... sounds like unbalanced braillem stuck-on labels with glue would be a problems waiting to happen.
So true... honestly when I first started my research I discovered that many previous researchers (who had given me access to their data) had unreliable data (due to one reason or another). The data I had initally started running tests on I had to totally scrap for new data which proved to be the most dificult task of all my research (I was infact working with bankrupt company data which is always hard to get clean hands on). I lucked out and found what many researchers would claim the nervana of data sources in my field through much work and promisses to tripple check or add to prominant researchers data. I think discovery of good trustworthy data was the longest process of all. And in the end was not getting results fast enough, and funding was saddly pulled despite publications and good results shown quickly after. I like the saying "Junk in Junk out" and never wanted to produce more junk.
Actually I was making a comment on current litigation. (which I find generally rediculous, however does not mean I can not address issues it provides anyway)
For example if a company knows a product is being used incorrectly and doesn't take steps to make it safer they are responcible. I'll give you a case example. Lutz v. National Crane Corporation(NCC). NCC makes cranes and make a manual that says side-loading is bad and everone knows they shouldn't do it. In this case the claim was that they didn't insalate the link and therefore it was defective since cranes commonly opperate around powerlines and sideloading was a common practice. But they didn't make their crane safe for side-loading despite knowing it's a very common poor practice in the industry. Simply by telling them NOT to use it that way they don't get out of the lawsuit.
In this case the claim is that there was an assumption of risk, however depending on what terms any lawsuits filed would be and the wording of the agreement... this may not be valid. If there is an aspect of liability that wasn't addressed or that wasn't foreseeable to the common person (ie if this created other issues with traffic to other parties).
For example I forsee issues later being bigger than this. If Lycos knows of someone who has used their software to re-direct to other sites or some other issue... Lycos may again potentially be liable? I'm not sure but that may be the next debate.
BTW, Guns would fall under the Commonly known dangers clause... so a bad comparison. And defects ARE sued for if it cases ussues with your car! Bad drivers are sued, etc. Drug companies are often sued, etc. Drain cleaners if improperly packaged, not providing risks of proper or inproper use, etc would be sued as well. The lawsuit mania out there sucks... And while I disagree with much of it it doesn't stop it from happening and of all people to get sue happy I have a feeling this is the industry, so we should talk about it. I wish more REAL issues were dealt in courts.
From personal experience I think there is defiantly a segmented population. Partially it seems to be based on location, each different school I went to people used different clients (almost exclusively). Initially I was hanging with a lot of early adapter geeks and was going to an engineering type school. Later I was at a more business-type school, which was primarily, AIM. In Australia MSN seemed to totally dominate.
Also I think there is an adoption time that is associated with each. For example many early adopters seemed to pick ICQ because of it's initially advanced features. Yahoo was big a bit after, again due to advanced features, but I personally never had a big group of people on it. AIM and MSN appear to draw a lot of the more recent adapters I think since they come with systems already (AOL or Windows). My younger cousins are only MSN and my grandparents are AIM (AOL).
And what does this all mean? I have to use ALL of them. *blah!!!* ROFL
good question... although sometimes in the legal system KNOWNING how a product is used takes on responcibility.. and they definatly knew how this would be used.
I'm not a legal expert or anything... but it doesn't sound so clear-cut as that.
This feels like the Wiki topic debate in many ways. Except with one big difference no set group "moderation" option. While info can be repeated over and comments added by other blogs there isn't a central location which sumerizes all the views.
During the elections one station had a "blog point of view" (I forget who) which they were trying to use as feedback for trying to see what issues people were talking about most and what general opions were. So as a census type review of the public eye they seemed to think it had some merrit at least. Maybe this is a place to start? Blog Stats
Examples blogs you might consider news:
"E-LawLibrary Weblog provides professional analysis and commentary on current news items regarding research, the information profession, libraries, the legal profession, and law school." E-LawLibrary Weblog
A lovely place to start with some basic concepts of free space, engery, symbols, colors, etc. And a very fun book! (actually I'd suggest this book to any webdesigner for example and it was part of a webdesign class I took once).
Understanding Comics: The Invisible Art, Scott McCloud
What has changed though is that two words per query gives a much more accurate result than it used to.
Partially I'd agree that searching has gotten better to the point that since the study showed a 86 percent increase in e-business or commerce sites and since most e-commerce sites show up higher in search lists and require fewer search terms. For example if you are looking for a company website you only need a single word or two, which might imply that there are more complex searches are going on now, if you eliminated the corporate searches from the study.
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interesting point overall.
but what is more important is to have a team that have a mental shared picture on goals and values
Shared goals and values are easier to get through similar backgrounds and experiences, therefore to me it makes sense a company founded by two people while doing their PhDs would seek people who have also put in a lot of academic time in order to achive shared goals and values.
Well put.
I would also like to add that often people with degrees have had access to sources of information (professors, libraries, contacts, etc) that may be hard to get or at least less likely to be considered than someone without a degree. In the case of Google, it appears that they are claiming to be looking for bright people who not only can come up with ideas but come up with good ideas and be able to back them up to present them, which often requires research skills (which I imagine to be rarely cultivated outsite of acadamia and used less frequently).
From personal experience, I learned to program on my own outside of school (which I think many readers here have probably done). I took a few programming classes while in school which I felt like I really didn't gain any more learning from than I would have on my own (honestly less in some cases because they required too much time for me to focus on learning new things). So although I didn't feel like my degree enhanced my programming much, it gave me credability. It also gave me confidence that I was at least on level with my peers, which is honestly worth a lot. And most importantly to me it gave me exposure to various professors with all different styles and personalities all trying to get totally different types of things from me. So I learned how to interact better, more quickly, and adjust faster to new situations.
The school I was in included many hands-on projects with outside companies and group projects which allowed us to make mistakes and try new approached to problems without worries of loosing a job, while getting feedback at various steps of why things were or were not working. It was sorta like an open test-bed to various issues and ideas.
also goes the same for having some 'A' people there who may want more 'A's but if they only have 'B' or 'C' people in actually hireing positions or initially sorting the people even... So many times in inital interviews I've felt like I was interviewing with someone who had no clue what I was talking about, and only asking a set list of questions that don't always include what the real questions should be.
Examples of simple Application Service Providers (ASPs) even you may use today:
- Virtual webhosting
- E-mail providors
- Online Fax providers (delivered to e-mail type)
This has been talked about for years now (practically as long as I remember the internet being around, maybe before). From an artical written in 1999, "IBM rolled out a series of new hosted business applications that support critical accounting, human resource and sales automation services for small and midsize businesses."
Really, it's just an old idea made new . In 1999 they were asking if it would work. however it sorta went by the side when it came to the sort of all-in-one solution we are talking about now due to the lack of high speed connections for enough people. There are however lots of firewall providors, managed VPNs, managed intrusion detection services, managed anti-virus and content filtering, managed vulnerability assessment and emergency response, and some that to a bit of all of the managed security.
If you want to read more about HOW they are talking about doing it here is a link to a few white papers to puruse on ISPs providing these services.
It's ok... We already talked about how p2p might become illegal anyway ;)
sure i can read a CV...big deal you published an article, i really care what sites you visit now
Research that references any other articles are like this too. It's way to easy to get something published that you have to spend a ton of time checking what type of publication it is, what else the person has written, etc to determine credibility and who they referenced, etc. I guess the biggest difference is that MAYBE the article you are reading has actually done this background research before pointing you that way... but maybe not.
Basically now in many mediums people can get what they want out there you always have to decide if you trust their spin on things.
if the AI can figure all that out then why would they need you to do any thinking at all? from a cynical point of view... a busy population is easier to control....?
ok.. blast from the past for a minute.. what about the OLD Caddy Systems (remember this?) Macs used to have where the CD is in a plasic case and the whole unit is put into the reader... I don't know much about these or if the idea could be re-created better. Bit I like the idea of having a standard media (CD for example) however with soemthing like a special case.
Although I think the best point I've heard so far isn't the side differences but added chances for scratching the CD while trying to get it into the reader.
I wanted to point out the fact that labels on CDs have been known to spin poorly and ruin many players, bubbles in the lables can cause them to oxidize in those spots, and addhesive sometimes comes off in the machine making the CD stick. So... sounds like unbalanced braillem stuck-on labels with glue would be a problems waiting to happen.
So true... honestly when I first started my research I discovered that many previous researchers (who had given me access to their data) had unreliable data (due to one reason or another). The data I had initally started running tests on I had to totally scrap for new data which proved to be the most dificult task of all my research (I was infact working with bankrupt company data which is always hard to get clean hands on). I lucked out and found what many researchers would claim the nervana of data sources in my field through much work and promisses to tripple check or add to prominant researchers data. I think discovery of good trustworthy data was the longest process of all. And in the end was not getting results fast enough, and funding was saddly pulled despite publications and good results shown quickly after. I like the saying "Junk in Junk out" and never wanted to produce more junk.
** On an interesting note, there are tests to run to see if data has been made up. Such as Benford's Lawor a more User friendly review of Benford's law. Or Zipf's Law.
But hey, as the joke goes, 97% of statistics are made up on the spot anyway so guess the data doesn't really matter.
I find humor in people searching google for yahoo.
Actually I was making a comment on current litigation. (which I find generally rediculous, however does not mean I can not address issues it provides anyway)
For example if a company knows a product is being used incorrectly and doesn't take steps to make it safer they are responcible. I'll give you a case example. Lutz v. National Crane Corporation(NCC). NCC makes cranes and make a manual that says side-loading is bad and everone knows they shouldn't do it. In this case the claim was that they didn't insalate the link and therefore it was defective since cranes commonly opperate around powerlines and sideloading was a common practice. But they didn't make their crane safe for side-loading despite knowing it's a very common poor practice in the industry. Simply by telling them NOT to use it that way they don't get out of the lawsuit.
In this case the claim is that there was an assumption of risk, however depending on what terms any lawsuits filed would be and the wording of the agreement... this may not be valid. If there is an aspect of liability that wasn't addressed or that wasn't foreseeable to the common person (ie if this created other issues with traffic to other parties).
For example I forsee issues later being bigger than this. If Lycos knows of someone who has used their software to re-direct to other sites or some other issue... Lycos may again potentially be liable? I'm not sure but that may be the next debate.
BTW, Guns would fall under the Commonly known dangers clause... so a bad comparison. And defects ARE sued for if it cases ussues with your car! Bad drivers are sued, etc. Drug companies are often sued, etc. Drain cleaners if improperly packaged, not providing risks of proper or inproper use, etc would be sued as well. The lawsuit mania out there sucks... And while I disagree with much of it it doesn't stop it from happening and of all people to get sue happy I have a feeling this is the industry, so we should talk about it. I wish more REAL issues were dealt in courts.
From personal experience I think there is defiantly a segmented population. Partially it seems to be based on location, each different school I went to people used different clients (almost exclusively). Initially I was hanging with a lot of early adapter geeks and was going to an engineering type school. Later I was at a more business-type school, which was primarily, AIM. In Australia MSN seemed to totally dominate.
Also I think there is an adoption time that is associated with each. For example many early adopters seemed to pick ICQ because of it's initially advanced features. Yahoo was big a bit after, again due to advanced features, but I personally never had a big group of people on it. AIM and MSN appear to draw a lot of the more recent adapters I think since they come with systems already (AOL or Windows). My younger cousins are only MSN and my grandparents are AIM (AOL).
And what does this all mean? I have to use ALL of them. *blah!!!* ROFL
good question... although sometimes in the legal system KNOWNING how a product is used takes on responcibility.. and they definatly knew how this would be used.
I'm not a legal expert or anything... but it doesn't sound so clear-cut as that.
This feels like the Wiki topic debate in many ways. Except with one big difference no set group "moderation" option. While info can be repeated over and comments added by other blogs there isn't a central location which sumerizes all the views.
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During the elections one station had a "blog point of view" (I forget who) which they were trying to use as feedback for trying to see what issues people were talking about most and what general opions were. So as a census type review of the public eye they seemed to think it had some merrit at least. Maybe this is a place to start? Blog Stats
Examples blogs you might consider news:
"E-LawLibrary Weblog provides professional analysis and commentary on current news items regarding research, the information profession, libraries, the legal profession, and law school."
E-LawLibrary Weblog
Blogging for PR?
If your now convinced...
My favorite quote from my parents encyclopedia, "Hopefully someday we will land on the moon"
A lovely place to start with some basic concepts of free space, engery, symbols, colors, etc. And a very fun book! (actually I'd suggest this book to any webdesigner for example and it was part of a webdesign class I took once).
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Understanding Comics: The Invisible Art, Scott McCloud
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What has changed though is that two words per query gives a much more accurate result than it used to.
Partially I'd agree that searching has gotten better to the point that since the study showed a 86 percent increase in e-business or commerce sites and since most e-commerce sites show up higher in search lists and require fewer search terms. For example if you are looking for a company website you only need a single word or two, which might imply that there are more complex searches are going on now, if you eliminated the corporate searches from the study.