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Changing Use of Internet?

CodeHog writes "Wired has an interesting article on the perceived changing use of the Internet. Perceived perhaps because it appears that these findings are based partly on search topics. What's more interesting is what it means to the tech community at large. Could this be a new area of tech jobs, setting up and maintaining ecommerce sites, creating search assisting applications?"

181 comments

  1. No, it just means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    People have already found their porn and don't need to search for it anymore.

    1. Re:No, it just means by dagur · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or why search for pictures on altavista, when you can get video from gnutella?

    2. Re:No, it just means by over_exposed · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Twenty percent of all searching was sex-related back in 1997; now it's about 5 percent"

      You're right - it's all been bookmarked :-)

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    3. Re:No, it just means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This isn't funny, this is true. People don't have to search on Google anymore to find their porn, they simply go to their favorite bittorrent website, direct connect, gnutella or some other network.

    4. Re:No, it just means by mattkinabrewmindspri · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe that, and/or people are still looking for the same amount of porn, but are just searching for other stuff more frequently.

    5. Re:No, it just means by Red+Alastor · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not only that but corporate usage of the net increased and it's a bad idea to surf for pr0n at work. If we check home users and count P2P as you mention, I'm pretty sure it didn't droped at all.

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    6. Re:No, it just means by bigman2003 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Once you go to worldsex.com, do you really need to find anything else.

      This plug has nothing to do with my own involvement with the site, other than the fact that I am a very happy customer of their free porn links.

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    7. Re:No, it just means by kisielk · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just get all of mine through popups ;)

    8. Re:No, it just means by Da_Fridge · · Score: 1

      Or is it that because of the proliferation of E-commerce, the total amount of content has increased. As a result, the amount of searches for PRON is the same, but there are more seaches for other stuff. They intrepreted the results to fit there needs. Had they looked at total number of searches they would have gotten better results, maybe seeing the same total number of searches, but everything else increased. Obviously their sample size wasnt big enough

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    9. Re:No, it just means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice site, working links, but guy, you seriously need some categorization. I want to be excluded from old and fat chicks pissing each other, thank you.

      And no, I don't read the link text, because 70% of the time it tells nothing about the face and the body of the depicted persons. Porn sites always seem to know their girls are cute, hot or well built or whatever. But open all the links tabbed at once, let them load and then kick all the ugly tabs.

      Use Linky for these sites as well as AdBlock to cut down on shemale snuff that gets through while opening 100 tabs at a time.

    10. Re:No, it just means by ClioCJS · · Score: 1

      Are there actually any bittorent porn trackers that are pansexual and don't cater to one specific fetish? Straight, gay, bondage, dwarves, schise -- is there anything that actually covers everything??

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    11. Re:No, it just means by danila · · Score: 1

      As a matter of fact, they often go to their favourite TGPs or subscription websites. Don't misunderstand me, eD2k (or other networks) is great when you know what you are searching for, but to taste, to sample the content you need more variety and more structure.

      Also, Google has failed to capitalise on the interest to porn and so other solutions emerged, such as catlist.com, which are thousands times better to find something related to porn (and then click-through to the paysite where you get as much satisfaction for your narrow specialised fetish as you want). Google, on the other hand, has too much junk (keyword and URL spam).

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    12. Re:No, it just means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. (Although you need to register a free account, it's worth it).

    13. Re:No, it just means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Askjolene is a bit better. It's google for porn!

    14. Re:No, it just means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Once you find one good TGP, you're pretty much set. I pensonally recommend Video-Post.

      I have no financial interest in this product, but I am a very satisfied customer.

    15. Re:No, it just means by DarkMantle · · Score: 1

      That's what my @gmail.com account is for... 1GB of spammed pr0n Baby!!!!

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  2. You Miles May Vary by fembots · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Twenty percent of all searching was sex-related back in 1997; now it's about 5 percent,"

    Maybe people are now accessing sex-related sites via links in spams, why seek when it comes to you?

    and randomly selected thousands of search sessions from more than 1 million they culled anonymously from search engines such as AltaVista.

    Is AltaVista still a credible source for research?

    All in all, I believe the change in searching pattern may more likely be caused by returned results. At the moment there are too many noises when searching for real sex-related sites, most of them are full of pop-up and nothing useful, but a e-commerce search may return more desirable results, thus people keep on searching them.

    1. Re:You Miles May Vary by UCRowerG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      in 1997 the internet was brand new to most of the world. there weren't things like kazaa, donkey, or morpheus that can search videos as well as music. i wonder if most people don't have websites bookmarked already or search for pr0n via personals websites, usenet, or p2p.

    2. Re:You Miles May Vary by rednip · · Score: 4, Insightful
      All in all, I believe the change in searching pattern may more likely be caused by returned results.
      I still liked the research's idea
      ..said of the findings. "Remember when cars came out, and people would say, 'Wow, we're going for a ride today!' Now they just go for a ride."
      So, I guess sex is that easy to find, why are we still having so much trouble?!

      In addtion to your point about the crap that is returned by a generic search for 'sex', What I really think is happening is that the volume of searches is going up, while people are becoming familiar with 'their favorite' hotspots and they don't need to look.

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    3. Re:You Miles May Vary by justforaday · · Score: 4, Funny

      At the moment there are too many noises when searching for real sex-related sites, most of them are full of pop-up and nothing useful

      I don't know if i'd consider a pop-up "nothing useful" when talking about porn...

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    4. Re:You Miles May Vary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I believe it.. it's all bookmarked :)

    5. Re:You Miles May Vary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Twenty percent of all searching was sex-related back in 1997; now it's about 5 percent,"

      Maybe people are now accessing sex-related sites via links in spams, why seek when it comes to you?


      Other explanations:
      - those 20% of people who searched the pr0n in 1997 already bookmarked the sites.
      - those people find new sites by following the links from the sites they visit and bookmark them.
      - those people already filled hard drives after hard drives with pr0n to last a few life times.
      - type any sex-related word (and some that are not) on the URL field and you get there.
      - the novelty of accessing pr0n 24x7 is wearing off.
      - they have gone blind and their hands are too hairy for typing from masturbating since 1997.

    6. Re:You Miles May Vary by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe people are now accessing sex-related sites via links in spams, why seek when it comes to you?

      Yeah, I get almost everything I need from spam. Sex, drugs, drugs for sex, real fake rolex watches, mortgages, free TVs, iPods, Xboxes, cures for SARS and AIDS, college degrees (up to PhD!), free money, cheap software and computers. All that from scanning my spam inbox.

      OK, when I first saw this article, everyone knows that you cannot search for sex or porn on the net. It simply does not work. It does not work for MP3s either. Wayyyy too much corruption and bs here.

      Porn is done through the tgp sites, and they are fine. If anyone needs more than what they can find from a good tgp site, they are already paying for porn in some way or another.

      At the moment there are too many noises when searching for real sex-related sites, most of them are full of pop-up and nothing useful, but a e-commerce search may return more desirable results, thus people keep on searching them.

      I guess we agree.

      What I really want from google is for them to completely separate froogle from google. I hate doing a search for information and I get a bunch of results for selling me crap, and I don't know if I want to buy it or not. That is why I'm googling around. I've heard tips like putting '-order' or '-shipping' with searches, but thats too complex for "normal folk". I have no problem with google making $$$ from searches, but when its appropriate.

      BTW, google has done a great job of eliminating blatently self-googlebombed sites. There was a time when retailers would buy a bunch of domains and have them all point to each other with the same crap on each page. That sucked.

      Peace out.

    7. Re:You Miles May Vary by bigman2003 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can remember spending DAYS looking for pictures of topless girls on Splash Mountain. DAYS.

      When I found the pictures, I was pretty disappointed...but I probably still jerked off at least once. Boobs are good, almost no matter what.

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    8. Re:You Miles May Vary by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "I don't know if i'd consider a pop-up "nothing useful" when talking about porn..."

      Well, I guess that's a matter of personal taste... can't say pics of pop-ups are that big over here.

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    9. Re:You Miles May Vary by nothings · · Score: 1
      "Twenty percent of all searching was sex-related back in 1997; now it's about 5 percent,"

      Alternatively, people search for exactly the same amount of sex-related that they used to, but they make 4x as many searches as they used to, so it's decreased as a fraction of the total but not in absolute terms.

      Without a lot more details, nearly any explanation is possible.

    10. Re:You Miles May Vary by MoggyMania · · Score: 1

      Not technically true -- late 1997 is when Scour.net appeared, and I vaguely remember similar sites (like the *.box.sk network) being present around the same time. There was also the option of using Infoseek (or other search engines) to track down filenames on open FTP servers. It might not have been as easy as it is now, true, but to say that such things simply didn't exist in 1997 at all is inaccurate. :)

    11. Re:You Miles May Vary by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      "Twenty percent of all searching was sex-related back in 1997; now it's about 5 percent,"

      Believe it or not, most people don't include porn in their regular searching habits, some people really *do* use the web for work stuff. My crappy link site is one example - people actually go there to learn about the subject matter.

      Porn this, porn that, every new technology is first pioneered by porn...

      Bullshit.

      We non-computer techhies are turned on by nipples, trycocks and laying pipe. And we know where these secret places are.

    12. Re:You Miles May Vary by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      What is the deal with all the recent fake rolex spams, did someone set up a 802.11 node on Canal St or something? Note, if you did set up said node on Canal st please take it down you are filling my inbox.

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    13. Re:You Miles May Vary by susa-no-o · · Score: 1
      Absolutely true. Because of all the noise, searching for erotic content is nowhere near as easy as it used to be.

      I've often wondered if there would be a market for a "real" sex-themed search engine. The only erotic search engines I've ever seen were gimmicky, and returned links to the same sites on radically different searches (probably the sites they get money from).

      Also, seeing as the content providers are so aggressive in increasing their search rankings, the filtering would have to be very sophisticated. Definitely some potential for intellectual stimulation there.

  3. Its true! by Kenja · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now you can put that four years of school to work at home in your spare time selling and buying stuff on eBay for the russian mafia.

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  4. MIS by craigtay · · Score: 3, Funny

    So, basically.. your telling me that I should drop out of the Computer Science program at my school and pick up a degree in MIS, so I can make crappy webpages the rest of my life?

    1. Re:MIS by dcphoenix · · Score: 1

      Exactly .... it worked for me and now my career is going great.

      You can party more often because you won't need to study and best of all, that MIS degree will boost your popularity with those who stayed in the CS program.

    2. Re:MIS by Chibi · · Score: 5, Insightful
      So, basically.. your telling me that I should drop out of the Computer Science program at my school and pick up a degree in MIS, so I can make crappy webpages the rest of my life?


      I have an advanced degree in computer science. Trust me, there's nothing stopping you from getting your degree and having a future filled with making crappy webpages. :)

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    3. Re:MIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if your lucky.

    4. Re:MIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As opposed to CS, MIS programs generally inform students of how to accomplish something. Most CS graduates I've seen over the years couldn't code their way out of a paper bag.

    5. Re:MIS by NardofDoom · · Score: 1
      Major in MIS, minor in Chinese.

      Why? Because companies will outsource crappy web-page making jobs to India who will then turn around and outsource those jobs to China.

      You'll need to manage these people, so you need management skills and how to speak their language.

      Besides, at the rate they're expanding the Chinese will own 80% of America by 2020, with the Saudis owning the remaining 20%.

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    6. Re:MIS by sandbenders · · Score: 2

      Or you can get a MS in Usability, like me, and spend the rest of your life fixing other peoples' crappy webpages for the rest of your life.

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    7. Re:MIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well they will have to buy it from the Japanese who bought all of America in the 80's and ... uh, wait a minute ... I guess not.

    8. Re:MIS by 3nuff · · Score: 1

      MIS is great! I get paid like a CS major and I don't even have to write code! In fact I write so little code that I spend all my time reading /.

      Funny thing is that I went to school to learn to make crappy webpages then ended up in database systems. Haven't "professionally" worked on a website for my entire career.

      What can I say, the degree gets you in the door, but your brain power gets you paid.

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  5. Maybe the searching has just gotten better? by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What hasn't changed much in seven years is how hard people are willing to work at searching. The answer: not very. Spink and Jansen found that people averaged about two words per query and two queries per search session.

    What has changed though is that two words per query gives a much more accurate result than it used to. I use google for everything including UPS Tracking, math conversions, and tracking down where/when my name/email address is used. This sort of information just wasn't available 7+ years ago.

    People aren't searching so much for porn because there is so much more information that is already indexed. You used to search for X and most of the first page of results were for porn. Perhaps that's why it seemed so popular? Maybe it was because the earliest adopters of the Internet were "fringe" people more interested in finding other "fringe" activities?

    1. Re:Maybe the searching has just gotten better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OI! 5% can't be wrong.

    2. Re:Maybe the searching has just gotten better? by bleckywelcky · · Score: 1

      That, or people already know where all the pr0n is located and don't need to search for it. In this day and age with all of the "Thumb Collection" websites (for both images and video), why not just go directly to the sites?

      Of course, I wouldn't know first hand, I'm just relaying information that I've heard from "people I know".

    3. Re:Maybe the searching has just gotten better? by ricka0 · · Score: 1

      What has changed though is that two words per query gives a much more accurate result than it used to.

      Partially I'd agree that searching has gotten better to the point that since the study showed a 86 percent increase in e-business or commerce sites and since most e-commerce sites show up higher in search lists and require fewer search terms. For example if you are looking for a company website you only need a single word or two, which might imply that there are more complex searches are going on now, if you eliminated the corporate searches from the study.

  6. Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    That should be internets.

  7. Ho hum by AnotherDreamer · · Score: 1

    It would also be interesting to compare shopping not just with sex, but with political subject-matter.

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  8. Sigh... another flawed research article by VE3ECM · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "'Twenty percent of all searching was sex-related back in 1997; now it's about 5 percent,' said Amanda Spink, the University of Pittsburgh professor who co-authored Web Search...."

    Hello? Of course it's dropped: most people don't use search engines for pr0n anymore. They use P2P!!!!

    I wonder how much of a percentage increase there's been in P2P search terms?

    1. Re:Sigh... another flawed research article by Deorus · · Score: 1

      > Hello? Of course it's dropped: most people don't use search engines for pr0n anymore. They use P2P!!!!

      Besides, nowadays porn is advertised everywhere and there, so noone really needs to search for it.

    2. Re:Sigh... another flawed research article by captnitro · · Score: 1

      Back in 1997, the number of internet users was lower than it is today. Now that I think about it, the rise of the web really has been an amazing transformation. I remember when my grade was trying to get funding among the teachers for a modem of triple digit speed.. anyway.

      Additionally, the number of people who were *on* the internet of that lower count were, well, Slashdotters. And sometimes, you know, you're bored at work, and maybe you have a cubicle with your screen away from.. well, anyway.

      I'd like to see raw data on sex-based searches, not percentages.

    3. Re:Sigh... another flawed research article by BrookHarty · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      The search engine is built into the P2P clients, who needs to hit the web for porn? I mean, Music, er. TV Commericals, ya.. Thats it..

    4. Re:Sigh... another flawed research article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      um no....

      most people looking for porn know about thehun.

      there is too much worthless porn sites out ther for nothing but popups and click through generators.

    5. Re:Sigh... another flawed research article by dep01 · · Score: 1

      I agree. There are so many other more efficient ways to download pornography these days. I don't remember the last time I searched Google for something I was looking for. If there were a way to gather statistics on the search teams through multiple P2P applications, I'm sure the results would be staggering...

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  9. Yeah, well... by DrEldarion · · Score: 0, Redundant

    "Twenty percent of all searching was sex-related back in 1997; now it's about 5 percent"

    That doesn't really tell us much besides how many people searched for sex-related things through a search-engine. Many people nowdays know they'll have much better luck if they use Kazaa/Bittorrent/DC++/etc.

    You can't use Kazaa to buy a microwave, though.

    1. Re:Yeah, well... by frankvl · · Score: 1

      You can't use Kazaa to buy a microwave, though

      Indeed.. that idea is already patented.

  10. In soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Sex searches for YOU!

    1. Re:In soviet Russia... by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      No, thats Las Vegas.

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  11. Sorry, it's me by Spackler · · Score: 5, Funny

    Doods,

    Sorry, it was me who cut down on the sex searches and stuff. I'm getting older, and there are more things involved in life now. I know, it's an old excuse to cut down. Wife and kidz will do that to you someday as well. I had figured there was another young rebel behind me, so make sure Libby and Jenna would still get plenty of page hits in seach engines. I thought I passed the torch to some first class deviants. Instead, you search for Biz and TV and crap. You don't deserve the internet.

    Spack

    1. Re:Sorry, it's me by enjo13 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I call BS... anyone who has actually been married knows that once your married your searching for porn actually INCREASES.

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    2. Re:Sorry, it's me by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 4, Funny
      Wow! I'm not married yet- I mean I already looks at a LOT- that's going to be a surreal amount of porn!

      Worth getting married just for extra porn. Why didn't anyone tell me?

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  12. Make up your mind! by dema · · Score: 2, Informative

    "That makes sense because e-commerce in the last seven years has boomed," said Gary Price, news editor of SearchEngineWatch.com, a branch of Connecticut-based Jupitermedia.com, which reports on Internet surfing. (emphasis mine)

    Didn't Wired say that they wouldn't capitalize "internet" any longer? Liars!

    And interestingly the original story appears to be gone.

  13. I envy these days. by Power+Everywhere · · Score: 1

    When I first started on the Internet, it consisted of academic nerds, computer scientists, a very small handful of professionals (doctors, lawyers, clergy, etc.) and system administrators. Pretty bland.

    Nowadays with the great Mass on the 'net things are much more entertaining.

  14. how old can you go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Remember when cars came out, and people would say, 'Wow, we're going for a ride today!' Now they just go for a ride."

    Yeah... and while we're at it... does anyone miss using the telegraph?

  15. What?? ...already have them! by Transcendent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Could this be a new area of tech jobs, setting up and maintaining ecommerce sites, creating search assisting applications?

    Yea... it's called a search engine...

    1. Re:What?? ...already have them! by dilettante · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think there will be a bunch of Google-based meta businesses appearing over the next couple of years. In a couple of different industries i've seen a rough trend: a bunch of information that didn't used to be on-line is now on-line. The initial reaction is "Wow, this is great, i can do all sorts of stuff i couldn't before". But after a while you start to hear: "This isn't information, this is data. I need something to categorize, qualify, and support decisions".

      So, i predict that we'll see more businesses that 1) allow alternative visual views into search results, 2) use data-mining techniques to create decision support tools, 3) provide "consulting" services to hopeless search-hampered users.

  16. google search results by fafaforza · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think anyone would be surprised by or interested in these findings. All you have to see the trend is look at google search results for any product. Most results in the first few pages are for ecommerce sites. Add to that the sponsored links on the sides and top of the page. Try finding any personal pages about a Thinkpad T41.

    7 years ago, few trusted the online purchasing process. Submitting credit card info, worrying about refunds and credit, vendor trustworthiness, hackers, etc.

    Since then, there's been a gold rush on the Internet. All major retailers and business people moved in smelling money. That made the process of buying stuff faster, more streamlined and more secure. It takes a handfull of clicks to buy stuff on eBay and pay for it with paypal. So obviously more people were attracted by it, the process achieved mass market appeal, and it pushed everything out of the way.

    I don't see where the news is.

    1. Re:google search results by texaport · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try finding any personal pages about a Thinkpad T41.

      Google the next 3 words with punctuation:
      IBM "my T41"

    2. Re:google search results by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > > Try finding any personal pages about a Thinkpad T41.
      >
      >Google the next 3 words with punctuation: IBM "my T41"

      "I love my T41, but the palm rest platic groans and creaks whenever it flexes."

      Oooooh. Thinkpr0n. Kinky!

  17. E-commerce and search, huh? by jht · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In other words, that which was super-hot and world-transforming back in the late '90s gold rush is hot again?

    Or is it that nowadays companies are actually simply using the Internet as a tool instead of trying to change the world? The companies that survived the meltdown are now (mostly) making money, and the new ones have learned from the lessons of the failed ones. Nobody blinks when Amazon makes a profit any more, after all.

    Pr0n was what everybody was hunting for back in the days when the Internet was a novelty - but nowadays that's a wasted use of a search engine. It's not so much that the uses of the Internet have changed. It's more that the Internet isn't "shiny and new" anymore, so a lot of the things that were popular when it was a novelty aren't such a big deal any more.

    Here on Slashdot, though, we just keep on chugging along...

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  18. Signs of the apocalypse by xThinkx · · Score: 5, Funny

    Red Moon appears in the sky

    Boston wins the world series

    INTERNET BEING USED FOR SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE

    Oh dear lord, we're all doomed!

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    1. Re:Signs of the apocalypse by Azh+Nazg · · Score: 1

      Oh, don't worry. The Red Sox have yet to get through the world series. Besides, I thought it was the moon dissapearing that was a sign of the apoco.... Wait, that happened last night, didn't it?

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    2. Re:Signs of the apocalypse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean, Red Sax?

    3. Re:Signs of the apocalypse by ThousandStars · · Score: 1

      I think the parent post and this post, both of which are not even remotely productive and may be counterproductive, invalidate the premise of bullet point three.

  19. E-Commerce? by Chas · · Score: 2, Funny

    Translation: They've already got all the free porn. Now they're looking to buy more.

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  20. P2P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how much of a percentage increase there's been in P2P search terms?

    Not much, probably. P2P may be widespread, but notorious for sometimes having shaky connections and low speeds, as well as being dependent on the number of horny 30-year-olds online at a given point in time.

    1. Re:P2P by VE3ECM · · Score: 1
      Sorry, after I posted, I meant to be more elaborate about that sentence...

      What I meant to say was: "how many more searches are done on search engine sites for the terms "Kazaa, kazaalite, edonkey, bittorrent" etc.

      I bet we'll see a sharp increase since the Napster days.

  21. Interesting Stat by stinkyfingers · · Score: 1

    Twenty percent of all searching was sex-related back in 1997; now it's about 5 percent

    They see this and find some sort of shift in the way people are using the Internet.

    I see this and think "SLACKERS!!!!"

  22. Why search for porn? by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would anyone need to use a search engine to look for porn? I mean, doesn't one out of every three spam messages have a link to some new porn site?

    Type any word into the address bar, and chances are it'll link to some porn site. Misspell any popular website and likewise you'll see porn.

    Nobody has to search for it, it's pretty hard to avoid.

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    1. Re:Why search for porn? by System.out.println() · · Score: 1

      I hear Google is indexing your spam in Gmail for searching too.

      "Did you mean: Viaaag.ra "

    2. Re:Why search for porn? by goofyheadedpunk · · Score: 1
      Type any word into the address bar, and chances are it'll link to some porn site.
      In the interest of Geek Science I decided to conduct a little experiment.

      Using the built in search abilities of Firefox I conducted "I Feel Lucky" searches with the Google search engine by typing a mixture of gibberish and common words into my address bar. Here are the results:

      "lksd" returns http://www.lksd.org/
      "woish" returns http://peoplesearch.reunion.com/w/woi/woish/
      "asdf" returns http://www.asdf.com/
      "foo" returns http://www.foofighters.com/
      "apple" returns http://www.apple.com/
      "ten million monkies" returns http://www.clowder.net/Nico/Monkies.html
      and finally
      "linux porn" returns http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ .

      Though it is realized that the data set tested compared to the number of word combination in the English language is pitiful, it is the humble opion of this Geek Scientist that you are overgeneralizing a bit.
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  23. Depression by Matey-O · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's not as many sex searches cause seeing 30 new people a day getting it more than you are gets depressing after awhile.

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    1. Re:Depression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why hentai is valuable. You see, you know the guys who draw it aren't getting any either, so there's nothing to feel down about...

  24. Why I don't search for pr0n anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think most people, like myself, now know where to get their pr0n and don't need to search anymore. I always go straight to: www.thumbnailpost.com for my free pr0n. *WARNING* THIS IS NOT A WORK_SAFE WEBSITE!

    1. Re:Why I don't search for pr0n anymore by Pegasus377 · · Score: 1

      And A perfect example of another thing contributing to the decline of pr0n as the number one search object is in the parent.... Work Safe... and the amount of oversight on networks in business environments. In 1997 work safe meant a whole different thing than it does now. What you could get away with then, is either impossible now with monitering, or is completely blocked... this means that for most, at least, is that for eight hours of the day, they must do something other than look at pr0n...

    2. Re:Why I don't search for pr0n anymore by bleckywelcky · · Score: 1

      Like perform their job? You have a freaking job to do, do it.

    3. Re:Why I don't search for pr0n anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's your job to post on /. too?!!!

    4. Re:Why I don't search for pr0n anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That site sucks, give these a try:

      Smorgreff

      Kunt

  25. Makes sense to me by Skynet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People in search of pornography and sex are much more willing to actively search it out and be early adopters of new technologies that may further their habits. Heck, I was on USENET getting pr0n when I was still in high school!

    E-commerce and shopping is more of a "mainstream" use of the Internet and it makes sense now that the Internet has become so pervasive. Even average users are learning how to go onto Amazon and order stuff. If my mother-in-law can do it, anyone can.

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    1. Re:Makes sense to me by Skynet · · Score: 1

      That's nothing. Why, back in the day, I was getting my pr0n over a 9600-baud modem from The Farmer's Daughter BBS!

      You truly are a l33t p3rv!

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  26. Earth to OP, come in OP! by Peldor · · Score: 2, Funny
    "Could this be a new area of tech jobs, setting up and maintaining ecommerce sites, creating search assisting applications?"

    Look, man, it's over. The crazy tech boom is done. Let it go. Take some management classes or something. You keep this up and we're going to report you to Unemployed Tech Workers Anonymous and organize an intervention for you.

  27. Don't we all... by Juvenall · · Score: 5, Funny

    From the Article:
    "Remember when cars came out, and people would say, 'Wow, we're going for a ride today!' Now they just go for a ride." Oh yes, how could ANY of us not remember that! Hey, you guys remember the time Lothar was smashing those rocks together and invented fire. Ahh, those were the days..

    1. Re:Don't we all... by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, how could ANY of us not remember that!

      I remember, because I always seem to get stuck driving behind them. Apparenlty they think they're still driving Model T's because they don't go over 30mph. And turn off the blinker already!

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    2. Re:Don't we all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember, because I always seem to get stuck driving behind them. Apparenlty they think they're still driving Model T's because they don't go over 30mph. And turn off the blinker already!

      The blinker is on because they still think they're driving a Model T, and they pulled the blinker lever thinking it was the manual spark advance...

    3. Re:Don't we all... by urbaer · · Score: 1

      Hey, you guys remember the time Lothar was smashing those rocks together and invented fire.

      Bah, we all know that Gark did it first, but just didn't make it down to the patent office before Lothar...

    4. Re:Don't we all... by laejoh · · Score: 1
      Hey, you guys remember the time Lothar was smashing those rocks together and invented fire. Ahh, those were the days..


      Rocks? You had rocks? We dreamed of having rocks! We would have given our right arms for rocks!

      We had to grit our teeth together to get a fire starting, and we liked it that way!
  28. Lazyness by Ironsides · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What hasn't changed much in seven years is how hard people are willing to work at searching. The answer: not very. Spink and Jansen found that people averaged about two words per query and two queries per search session.

    "The searches are taking less than five minutes, and they're only looking at the first page of results," Spink said. "That's why people are wanting to get their results on the first page" of search engine results.

    "We were surprised that people weren't doing more complex searches," Spink said. "If you put a couple of words into the web, you're going to get hundreds of thousands of results. I think people aren't trained very well to use the search engines."


    Having worked in a college library having to help other students find stuff I am amazed at how non-geeks think all they have to do is type in a word/sentence/phrase and they think the computer will magically bring them what they are looking for. It would take an hour to get them to grasp the idea of "keywords" and that putting in more keywords only narrows the results without using any operators (AND, OR). Even when they came back with zero results they would add more words thinking that they could get a hit this time. The main reason is that most people have no idea how the search engines work and instead think that it is as capable as a human sitting down and looking at everything. When they learn how it all works they will start doing smarter seaches and get less lazy.

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    1. Re:Lazyness by AWhistler · · Score: 1

      I only use a couple words at a time to search. I see what kind of results that gives me, and do a second or third search with one or more keywords if I don't find what I'm after. Plus, Minus, and Quotes are the only three punctuation marks I use.

      The only time I use a sentence is when I'm searching for a quote.

    2. Re:Lazyness by anomalous+cohort · · Score: 1
      Even when they came back with zero results they would add more words thinking that they could get a hit this time.

      I've run into people like that too. I don't think that it's laziness but more a lack of understanding or abstract reasoning about the concept of searching. Teaching them the concept of keywords is probably the best way.

      I've seen people not be able to tell the difference between the address bar and the keyword text box on a search page. They'll type a web address in the search page and/or space delimited keywords on the address bar then get really confused when they can't seem to find what they are looking for.

    3. Re:Lazyness by aj50 · · Score: 1
      they will start doing smarter seaches and get less lazy

      Sadly, before this happens, someone will probably invent a search engine that is as capable as a human sitting down and reading it all. Heck, we'll probably have a search engine that can read the internet and then actually give you a sensible answer based on the web pages it has seen. Given the nature of the internet, however, this wouldn't be very acurate.

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    4. Re:Lazyness by pipingguy · · Score: 2, Funny


      the idea of "keywords" and that putting in more keywords only narrows the results without using any operators (AND, OR)

      Oh, how I pine for AltaVista in 1997...or was it HotBot?

  29. Let's prove them wrong! by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Internet users are doing far fewer searches for sex and pornography and more for e-commerce and business than they were seven years ago, University of Pittsburgh and Penn State researchers say in a new book.

    There you go:
    Google search for s3x
    Google search for pr0n

    In other news, "Internet searches" for the terms in question skyrocketed through the roof today leaving the UPitt and Pennstate researchers puzzled and dismayed. It appears one of the Master's thesis was withdrawn after the event. More at 11.

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    1. Re:Let's prove them wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only one of the 20 results I got was actually porn - and that was only playboy.

      So why search for "s3x" if you know visiting autopr0n will work much much better?

    2. Re:Let's prove them wrong! by susa-no-o · · Score: 1
      Almsot all of the sites returned for thoses searches are about sex addiction. The only erotic content I saw was playboy. People already know about playboy; if that's what they want, they don't need to search for it.

      This just reinforces my conception that a sex search engine is needed.

  30. no more searching required by georgelucas · · Score: 1

    "Twenty percent of all searching was sex-related back in 1997; now it's about 5 percent," It seems to me that porn is now served up on P2P networks so there is no need to do any "searching"

  31. Shiny! by ratboy666 · · Score: 1

    I need some PORN... ooooh, donut!

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  32. Could this be a new area of tech jobs, setting up by misleb · · Score: 3, Informative
    Could this be a new area of tech jobs, setting up and maintaining ecommerce sites, creating search assisting applications?

    Talk about exportable jobs...

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  33. Look at it another way by techstar25 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Back in 1997 the only people who were using the internet at all were people looking for porn. I remember in 1996 being at a friends house and seeing all the free porn and thinking "I have to get this internet thing!"
    Now that the internet has become ubiquitus a much greater number of people have access and are accessing it. So now the percentage of people searching for porn is approaching the percentage of the general public who buy adult magazines, or rent adult videos (which is a lot higher that you think).

    1. Re:Look at it another way by epine · · Score: 1

      >>
      How could it be _a lot higher_ than 100%?

  34. Question the data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "...far fewer searches for sex and pornography..."

    Less searching for sex may mean less interest in sex OR it may mean that the criteria used to rate a search for sex has not kept up with the sort of sex people are searching for.

    "...people averaged about two words per query and two queries per search session..."

    Maybe it's just easier to find stuff now. I don't think so. Do a search on almost any exotic term and the first page on google's right hand column will offer dozens of links to people wishing to sell, "See ebay for greatest selection of VAMPIRE BAT GUANO AND PSITTACOSIS"

    "...people aren't trained very well to use the search engines..."

    dammit, when will google implement the ever so nice altavista NEAR relationship to go along with all the booleans. NEAR is extremely useful for weeding out those 'spam the search engine' web sites and those 'catalog of catalogs of catalogs of shit that only one company on earth actually makes' when all you want is that companies contact info.

    1. Re:Question the data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's just easier to find stuff now. I don't think so. Do a search on almost any exotic term and the first page on google's right hand column will offer dozens of links to people wishing to sell, "See ebay for greatest selection of VAMPIRE BAT GUANO AND PSITTACOSIS"

      Googling 101: When using The Google, all the blue underlined thingies on the left of the page are the results. The smaller blue thingies on the right are how Google makes their money and can be ignored.

      HTH

    2. Re:Question the data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could someone expand on this NEAR relationship? I've never used nor heard of it before.

    3. Re:Question the data... by Zcipher · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's just easier to find stuff now. I don't think so. Do a search on almost any exotic term and the first page on google's right hand column will offer dozens of links to people wishing to sell, "See ebay for greatest selection of VAMPIRE BAT GUANO AND PSITTACOSIS"

      And here I was thinking that the sidebar links on politics.slashdot.org keep offering me Best Deals: Politics and Best Deals: America was a cleverly ironic statement ^_~

    4. Re:Question the data... by gp310ad · · Score: 1

      Could someone expand on this NEAR relationship? I've never used nor heard of it before.

      Altavista NEAR was like an AND that only returned results for strings within a limited distance of each other. IIRC this was 15 words on Altavista.

      I am not familiar with the inner workings of these search engines so don't know how they did it.

      I have been sending NEAR suggestion to the folks at google for years. They used to say they would look into it. Now they don't bother too respond. Getting too big and bsy I guess.

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  35. Or.... by PhilipMckrack · · Score: 5, Funny

    Undersexed nerds have gone from 20% of the users in 1997 to 5% today as more and more *regular* people can get computers and connected to the internet.

  36. The truth speaks by wurp · · Score: 1

    Your comma should be a semicolon.

  37. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Pron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Twenty percent of all searching was sex-related back in 1997; now it's about 5 percent," said Amanda Spink

    All this means is that companies have managed to crack down on their poor, girlfriendless developers.

  38. I'm full up by LanMan04 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Twenty percent of all searching was sex-related back in 1997; now it's about 5 percent,"

    I'd say most people have more porn than they can look at in a lifetime, and in addition now that EVERYONE is using the internet, a much smaller percentage of the overall searching population are horny geeks. I had a webpage in 97 (and was in highschool), so you can guess what part of the searching population I fell into...=)

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  39. As information becomes power ... by adzoox · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There has been a fundamental shift in the way information is perceived.

    The current election is the best example. More people have more access to information about this election than in any other part in history. The BLOG has reached new heights because of it. Some larger BLOGs have been able to score advertising dollar. As new topics to discuss become available - other BLOGs will pop up to debate and discuss them.

    Once these BLOGs reach a certain point... you have a person who has the ability to write the content but not maintain the advertising, budget, time, maintenance.

    This is where the support industry will start to focus - on the upkeep of smaller niche networks.

    You'll have 20 smaller clients rather than 3 large accounts.

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  40. Change in demographics of users... by JavaLord · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Twenty percent of all searching was sex-related back in 1997; now it's about 5 percent,"

    How much of this has to do with more women and old people on the internet? I doubt that the number of overall sex searches is down, but the demographics of internet users have likely changed a lot since 1997. On top of that, add in the amount of filtering software nowadays in the workplace and academia alone that discourages that sort of thing.

  41. Less p0rn searchs? Easy... by RTFA · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Twenty percent of all searching was sex-related back in 1997; now it's about 5 percent,"

    Well, easy, I got a girlfiend since '98!

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    1. Re:Less p0rn searchs? Easy... by HybridJeff · · Score: 1

      What do you do when shes in bathroom, or at work, or not in the same room as you?

  42. Re:Ho hum -- OFFTOPIC by CreatureComfort · · Score: 1



    Its been a long day...

    I read that as combine shopping not just with sex, but with political subject matter.

    Now the first two no problem, but now I have this mental image of paying certain major political candidates for sex that I can't get out of my head. Of course, we'll get screwed in the end anyway...

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    Impossible means not yet done." ~~ Julia Ecklar
  43. Manager speak by rmarll · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Could this be a new area of tech jobs, setting up and maintaining ecommerce sites, creating search assisting applications?

    That looks like a long winded variation on googlejacking.

  44. Interesting final comment by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 0

    "Surprising that people don't use more complex searches"

    I've noticed that for shopping, simple search means biggest distributor means decent price and accountability. Is this a chicken and egg situation? Is it just a sign of more mainstream-ness to the internet? Anyone else noticed Google just doesn't pop out the best results anymore?

  45. Capitalize Word "internet" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "That makes sense because e-commerce in the last seven years has boomed," said Gary Price, news editor of SearchEngineWatch.com, a branch of Connecticut-based Jupitermedia.com, which reports on Internet surfing."

    I thought they weren't going to capitalize the word internet anymore?

  46. Kind of scary... by jmcmunn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The internet certainly has changed. Instead of surfing for porn or searching for hours to find an mp3 or picture or whatever, it's all at my finger tips.

    But I rely so much on the internet to function on a daily basis. I think about this all the time. When I have a question now, the first place I look is Google. Very rarely can I not find an answer that comes from a relatively reputable source. And it is much quicker than any means of research.

    Also, I show and pay all of my bills online. This is a big convenience, no more paper checks or bills, no more stamps.

    But what would my life be like without the internet now? I can honestly say that if I were 100% cut off from the internet I would find it difficult to adjust for awhile. Sure, I can go back to snail mail and stamps and all of that without too much of a fuss, but I rely on the internet for my news most of the time as well.

    But I would find it very difficult to do research of any type, or simply to answer a nagging question about whatever topic we happen to talk about at the water cooler. The convenience of having billions of web pages at my finger tips has hobbled my ability to research in any other fashion, and made me impatient when I can't get an answer in 2 minutes of Google'ing.

    Anyone else out there have the same problem?

  47. Another stat which doesn't tell the truth by yetanothermike · · Score: 1

    I'm getting fed up with links to reports of bad data. This survey, the one about MP3's dying, etc... It's sad when so many people all pop on Slashdot and say the same thing about how inaccurate the report is within seconds of the posting. Too much bad data in the limelight. Do we really need it here too? At least the sites posting it get slashdotted for a while as punishment.

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  48. Green Tennis Shoes Principle by RealProgrammer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Maybe it was because the earliest adopters of the Internet were "fringe" people more interested in finding other "fringe" activities?

    I refer to that as the Green Tennis Shoes Principle. Somewhere in your area there is someone whose very favorit thing is green tennis shoes. It's their life, but no one understands. The Internet makes it possible for these isolated folks to communicate and share their perspective with each other.

    Seen across the entire spectrum of favorite things, you have a whole series of microcultures (and thus micromarkets) that didn't exist 10 years ago.

    It used to be that the bulk of Internet content was computer-related, since you have to have a computer to get to the Internet. It was of universal interest, and within that you had everyone from the PDP-8-lovers list to people wanting recipe programs for their Mac.

    As non-geeks got connected, sex became the least common denominator. Within that (I would guess) the principle still applies, as people approach that from different points of view as well.

    As people are using computers and the Internet for everything, and searches are getting easier and more effective, all the most common interests are splintering and the microcultures are maturing.

    What the ramifications are for society, and civilization, is more than I can wrap my little head around.

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    1. Re:Green Tennis Shoes Principle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I just searched Google for "green tennis shoes" and found nothing relating to other people who like them! Am I to be alone forever?

    2. Re:Green Tennis Shoes Principle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm playing GTA San Andreas at the moment and considering getting me some green sneakers. I still like my white ones so far but am thinking maybe I'll get more respect if I wear green.

      Grove Street 4 Life, G!!!

    3. Re:Green Tennis Shoes Principle by eric_brissette · · Score: 0

      As non-geeks got connected, sex became the least common denominator. Within that (I would guess) the principle still applies, as people approach that from different points of view as well.

      When there were only geeks on the interent, there wasn't any sex to be shared.

    4. Re:Green Tennis Shoes Principle by Stanistani · · Score: 1

      ...or Green Tennis Balls ...

  49. The truth speaks 56k baud. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    No. I meant that to be written as if I were sending it over a modem, where a comma is a pause. ,,, You , see ,,, a semicolon would just be ignored, and then the whole message would ,,, wel ,, be ,,, out of ,,, time.

    And Yes,,, I am Insane. ,,,, Want a cup of Tea?

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    1. Re:The truth speaks 56k baud. by wurp · · Score: 1

      It expresses two complete thoughts, noun, verb & all. It is grammatically incorrect to put both together with a comma instead of a semicolon.

      It's a comma splice. See http://ace.acadiau.ca/english/grammar/comma.htm

      It was one of the few grammatical errors I made consistently before getting marked off for it in 3xxx level English in college.

    2. Re:The truth speaks 56k baud. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Did you ever get marked off for lack of humour in those 3xxx level English Classes? If not, that would explain some things. When will our education system finally take comdic education serously? Just as poor grammer can destroy a Sceintific paper, a lack of humour will likewise destroy any piece of literature or a man.

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    3. Re:The truth speaks 56k baud. by wurp · · Score: 1

      Whoah, there, hoss. I tell you that you made a minor error; instead of admitting it, you come back with some unfunny humor that appears to attempt to refute my comment. When I point out yes, in fact, I was right, now I'm a humorless man awaiting destruction?

      Your defense reaction is set a little high.

  50. /. Standards Compliance (OT) by OldMiner · · Score: 1

    Your sig mentions that Slashdot is standards compliant in Japan. Perhaps I'm missing the joke, but Slashdot Japan seems to use about the same slashcode version, and has all the same non-standard body tag attributes, excessive table tags, and unescaped ampersands in URLs. Could you clarify your sig?

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    1. Re:/. Standards Compliance (OT) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's referring to the "cliche" of "(something)... In Japan!". It's kind of a take-off on In Soviet Russia. It started in some slashdot thread a while back I think.

    2. Re:/. Standards Compliance (OT) by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:/. Standards Compliance (OT) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's interesting. I think the actual source of this is the movie Mean Girls. There is a part at the beginning where they keep showing clips of random girls making ridiculous claims about the queen bee. One girl says "I heard she does car commericials" and pauses. It sounds so stupid. Then she adds "in Japan", and suddenly it sounds cool. It was a great joke, and I bet that it is where this all really started.

  51. What the article missed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is that of all the ecommerce searches, 90% were for porn goods.

  52. Futurama predicted this... by Lumpmoose · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Well, thanks to the Internet I'm now bored with sex."
    -Fry, A Bicyclops Built For Two

    ...it just happened about 1,000 years early.

  53. Cutting back by ChefInnocent · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure that it's just age or marriage. When a google desktop search comes up with 1,817 results for the keyword porn, how much more do we need to search the net? When there is 300GB of images and videos filtered for preference, what more can the porn sites offer? 300GB is more than many of the pay sites out there offer.

    No, think the real change is because we've been collecting the porn since 1997 (or 1987) and we just don't need any more. The 5% are 18-20 year olds starting thier collection.

    1. Re:Cutting back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you mean 13-20.

  54. you mean uses other than downloading porn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's a novel idea, but I don't think it will take off.

  55. Wired Demographics by yintercept · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "Remember when cars came out, and people would say, 'Wow, we're going for a ride today!' Now they just go for a ride."

    I think Wired is getting confused about the demographic of their market. For some odd reason, I think very few of their readers can remember when cars came out. Personally, I hope some people are sitting with their grand parents, but I doubt they routinely read "Wired" articles to the dwindling population that can remember when cars came out.

    PS, cars were already around when I was born, and I am considered too old by most hiring managers to program computers.

  56. clicky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  57. For Porn! (Avenue Q) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  58. Porn seekers are often early adopters by westendgirl · · Score: 1

    Porn seekers have helped develop several fledgling markets. In the 70s, some of the earliest adopters of VCRs were people who wanted to watch porn in the privacy of their own home. These people went on to buy video cameras. In the 90s, they started using Usenet and the web to download stills. Their demand for streaming video opened up the market for high speed connections, chat rooms, web cams, and other tools. Now they've moved on to P2P. There are probably cases that predate the 70s, but I haven't thought about it much. People who seek porn display many of the characteristics of early adopters, paving the way for technology adoption. Of course, the father of diffusion of innovations / technology adoption put his research to work in health education, a slightly more noble focus. :)

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  59. I RTFA'd by DesertFalcon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The last sentence is "I think people aren't trained very well to use the search engines."

    I'm stuck between going "No duh?" and "bull!#*&".

    No duh because, take a look around and see who's online - pretty much anyone who wants to be. You think they're going to bother learning how to optimize search results so that Google will pull 100 records instead of 15,000? As long as they get what they want, the answer is a vehement "No."

    "Bull!$#%" because, on the flip side, maybe people shouldn't be required to take training in order to search effectively. Maybe someone should write a search engine that Just Works. Oh, wait...

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  60. AOL by Y0tsuya · · Score: 1

    Is this part of AOL's plan to "make the internet better"?

  61. Simple use of search engines by Random+BedHead+Ed · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "We were surprised that people weren't doing more complex searches," Spink said. "If you put a couple of words into the web, you're going to get hundreds of thousands of results. I think people aren't trained very well to use the search engines."

    Don't be surprised - people seem to need training for everything, even rather simple tasks like search. Let's face it, using quotes and expected words in your search narrows down your results substantially, and it is extremely easy to do. But while it's hard for this crowd (or Wired's) to understand, most users need to take Search 101 rather than figure it out themselves.

    Search is just the tip of the iceberg. When some (maybe even most) people sit in front of a computer they lose access to about half their brain cells for some still unexplained reason. This is why we have spyware, unpatched machines running mail trojans for spammers, and e-mails with Word document attachments containing the text that should have been in the e-mail. Welcome to the Internet. Do try to avoid the braindead during your stay.

  62. The auto harvest scripts have been perfected by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    Added to cron and forgotten about... At least until that new 160gb disk you put in to the machine runs out of space.

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  63. No wonder they're surprised by hacksoncode · · Score: 1
    I was wondering how anyone could find this surprising, but then I came across the gem:

    ..said of the findings. "Remember when cars came out, and people would say, 'Wow, we're going for a ride today!' Now they just go for a ride."

    If the researchers are old enough to remember cars coming out, their brains are fossilized.

  64. Supply affects demand by michaelmalak · · Score: 1
    When every newspaper and every government document is on the web, it fundamentally changes democracy, society, and -- oh, yeah -- popular search engine queries.

    This has only happened since 2002 -- forget 1997.

  65. Re:Signs of the apocalypse (today!) by agent+dero · · Score: 1

    I actually already predicted the apocalypse for today, let me explain.

    I have Dr. Stroustrop (C++ Stroustrop) as one of my lecturers here at Texas A&M.
    Yesterday, he said "howdy"
    It was weird as hell.

    Later on in the class, he made a reference to the HHGTG
    Today, I have my calculus exam, on my last calculus exam, I got a 42, exactly

    Yesterday was also an eclipse, an obvious sign that the planets are aligning.

    I for one welcome our apocalyptic overlords... ;)

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  66. Marriage and Pr0n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The decrease in the amount of pr0n searching has little to do with the sophistication of users, and more to do with the breakdown of marriage and the increase in divorce.

    Pr0n searching and marriage have an incremental relationship

    seek_porn = years_married^2/((num_cute_chicks_in_area)^2)^-1

    seeing a 15% drop (20% - 5% )in pr0n searches would indicate that marriages are failing at an earlier rate than they were in the 1990's.

    or, it could also suggest that McDonalds and Burger King have reduced the number of cute chicks in the local area to an unsustainable sexually interested level.

    1. Re:Marriage and Pr0n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, they're just getting married less :-)

  67. Remember when CARS came out?!?! by javaxman · · Score: 1
    Barry Wellman, a University of Toronto cyberspace researcher, said of the findings. "Remember when cars came out, and people would say, 'Wow, we're going for a ride today!' Now they just go for a ride."

    Uh, no Barry, I don't remember when cars came out, how frickin' old ARE you!?

    And, hello, "cyberspace researcher" at University of Toronto? Is that your official title?? What's that pay, I have a few websites to research...

  68. Searching instead of Bookmarking by Nahor · · Score: 1

    Back then, searching was returning crappy results. Because of that, when I found an interesting site, I was bookmarking it. Now, I just search it with Google rather than search my bookmark list (it's faster!).
    If I want PuTTY, I search that word in Google, click the first link.
    If I want info on printf format, I search "printf format" and again, click on the first link.

    So for my part, I do a lot more search than I used too. Because of that, "special interests" are not, in porportion as important as before.

  69. Well I changed my habbits by krunchyfrog · · Score: 1

    I know I've changed from irc to porn to newsgroups to webcams to tech stuff then slowly slashdot. Then I got a wife and a kid and now I'm stuck to surf at work. Since we're behind a proxy I must use links and telnet.

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  70. hmmm by mattdm · · Score: 1

    ..said of the findings. "Remember when cars came out, and people would say, 'Wow, we're going for a ride today!'" ...

    What *I* want to know is: just how old are these researchers?

  71. Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For me, I've actually dropped down a bit on the porn searches as I age, but another factor for me was that in late college, the University I went to was getting better at filtering out porn. At work now, I use the internet a ton, and I'm not brave enough to search for porn at the desk. I think much of the decline may have to do with people using the internet at work much more, and the porn searches remain an "at home" only activity.

  72. SLACKERS by budgenator · · Score: 1

    Maybe these two are just so out-a-touch that they don't recognise sex/porn keywords when they see them in a search query. Hard-core porn freaks are going to be looking for the good illegal stuff which is purposely hard to find if you don't know the correct lingo.

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  73. WebGrazer is all the pr0n you'd need by 5n3ak3rp1mp · · Score: 2, Informative

    Once I found WebGrazer, I pretty much never needed to search for pr0n ever again.

    For OS X only ;)

  74. Get the a CS and a Biz degree by bADlOGIN · · Score: 1

    Stay in school finish the CS degree, but do not leave until you get a Business degree to go with it. I whish I had. The 300 level business department courses I took for my "area of emphasis" (MIS) in my CS program were a spoonfeeding trip to candyland compared to Chem, Diff. Eq. and other CS *PREREQS* for cryin' out loud. By the time you're done with a BS. You should be able to almost sleep through a BA in biz in about 1 to 1 & 1/2 years. Durring that time you can audit all of the cool 400/500 level CS programs you like. While you're at it, spend a bit more time and get the cute little MBA. Hell, it's not even a thesis masters:) The technical jobs that stand best NOT to be offshored are the ones that require business and people skills as well as knowing something of what happens behind the scenes when you hit "Google Search" or "I'm Feeling Lucky" on everyones favorite search engine.

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  75. choicest sound-bite by nusratt · · Score: 1

    "Twenty percent of all searching was sex-related back in 1997"...

    and a little later:
    "They're not getting excited about using the internet anymore"

  76. Outsourcing by mitchellandrews · · Score: 0

    Instead of running multiple searches for porn aimlessly, I've outsourced my porn search to India. There, my more experienced and better educated counterpart can find the latest "monkey knife fight bang party" in one search, for $2.50 / month.

  77. done on many more topics on the entire AOL log by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a quick googling (not for porn) reveals this has been done on the entire AOL log for many categories: porn 10%, shopping 13%, entertainment 13%, computing 9%, etc.

    research paper here.

  78. calm down. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    I never said you were wrong. You're taking my reactions the wrong way. So; I appologise. Obviously; you are right. But its a joke. You pointed out an gramatical error in a joke on Slashdot. How can that be taken seriously? When you responded to my joke seriously; I responded with another joke. Lighten up. Its Slashdot. Don't take everything so seriously. Maybe you didn't find any of my jokes funny. Ok; thats fine. Critisism accepted. I'll try better next time.

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  79. Where is the news here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wired has been saying this since '98... Internet trade magazines are a lot more useful if the main use of www is something other than porn.

  80. more plausable solution by glass_window · · Score: 1

    If you ask me it's because more and more people are shopping on the internet from work. Because they can get away with it.

  81. Consequences for society by Kjella · · Score: 1

    What the ramifications are for society, and civilization, is more than I can wrap my little head around.

    As far as I can tell, there seems to be two major lines of theories on that:
    a) Uniformity
    b) Polarization

    The uniformity theory and its derivates claim that we're all getting more equal. Culture, ethics, society and language mix across borders, ethnic regions and social groups. In this way we approach a monoculture around the world. Positive directions consider this to be universal standards of human rights, freedoms of speech, religion, that all are created free and equal, greater tolerance etc. etc. Negative directions consider this to be cultural imperialism, a threat to national identity and way of life etc.

    The polarization theory says that through the internet, we all find tiny subcultures which create their own standards, with little regard to society as a whole. These groups drift further and further apart because of lack of interaction and different viewpoints from the greater community, polarizing society. Positive directions say this will lead to greater personal self-realization and that that your individual qualities and interests are more appriciated. Negative directions consider this to be society breaking down, with isolationist and extremist groups basicly brainwashing people through groupthink.

    Personally, I don't think the difference is that incredibly big. I know people which, Internet or not, isolate themselves by socializing with people reenforcing their own groupthink, and I know people that seek out those with conflicting viewpoints and interact with them. None of the theories are really false, none are really true. They all happen to some degree.

    Kjella

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  82. Geek Scientist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that what you call yourself if you fail Computer Science in college?

  83. Well *that's* a dumb example. by fieldmethods · · Score: 1
    "They're not getting excited about using the internet anymore," Barry Wellman, a University of Toronto cyberspace researcher, said of the findings. "Remember when cars came out, and people would say, 'Wow, we're going for a ride today!'
    No.
  84. Internet is like a girlfriend by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
    In the beginning, it's all about sex.

    After a few years, if you're lucky, she becomes useful for more mundane tasks like shopping etc. After even longer you won't even know she's there.

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  85. News Flash by edp927 · · Score: 1

    News Flash: new "e-commerce" and "search" technologies to hit the internet(s)"

    Could this be a new area of tech jobs, setting up and maintaining ecommerce sites, creating search assisting applications

    Seriously, was this meant to be sarcastic?

    [mod article +5:Funny]

  86. Searching habits by cuteseal · · Score: 0
    "...it appears that these findings are based partly on search topics..."

    I wonder if they derived something out of their search results...

    pr0n
    pr0n
    pr0n
    slashdot
    pr0n
    pr0n...

  87. Jumping to conclusions? by Dekortage · · Score: 1

    I haven't seen the data, just the WIRED article, but we should have a few questions about the research and the conclusions. How do percentages compare to total numbers? How were the results "randomly selected"? Were location, demographics or time of day taken into account? Maybe more people are surfing from their work, where porn is blocked by firewalls or would be deemed socially unacceptable. Maybe more children are online. Maybe more low-income people are online. Are AltaVista users really representative of the entire Internet population, or was it just the handiest data source? According to this, this and this, AltaVista has barely any search engine market share left. Could AltaVista users simply be more intent on more information-savvy results rather than porn, simply because they're only trying AltaVista after being not fully satisfied with results elsewhere? (...and porn users can get their fill elsewhere?)

    And, without studying other search engines, you cannot say that all people are taking less than five minutes, and only looking at the first two pages of results. Maybe that's because AltaVista's results and interface suck, compared to Google and others.

    The best these researchers can really say is, "This suggests further research."

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  88. Positive feedback loops. by donothingsuccessfull · · Score: 1

    "they're only looking at the first page of esults," [...] "That's why people are wanting to get their results on the first page"
    Will this kind of behaviour result in information oligopolies/archies?
    There will be a small number of dominant sites that people get in searches and then link to increasing thier pageranks.